S15.E10: Polygamy Hell

[Scarlett45]

Air Date: April 18, 2021

 

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[iwantcookies]

I think most of Kody’s kids will disown him. That’s what I would do. What a horrible man/sperm donor.

[Soaper410]

This episode the first 90 minutes a (not 100% accurate recap): 

Kody:  I hate that I can't just live with Robyn. 

Janelle:  Since the pandemic started, I've re-watched all the old episodes.  I have determined we suck at communication. 

Robyn: I am going to not so subtly suggest my sister wives may be at a higher risk for Covid because of their weight without saying it. 

Meri: Thank God that I'm not the reason nobody is happy. 

*****

Christine:  Lets make the worst financial decision possible and move back to Utah. 

Kody:  This could get us another season....hmmm....I like this super stupid decision.  Yes!

*****

Christine:  Ysabel needs surgery now. 

Kody:  HOW DARE MY DAUGHTER'S SURGERY NOT BE ABOUT ME. 

Christine: Screw you. 

Kody: Hey, Aspen no Truly no whoever you are, listen who gives an ish if you are in pain?  You are like 16 by now, probably.  Go across the country by yourself and have major surgery.  

Christine (on the phone):  Hey Meri, question can I have the number of the catfish lady so I can make Kody never come to my house again?

Ysabel:  I hate you. 

******

Janelle: Listen, I am headed to NC.  Peace out.  

Kody:  I can't leave and go to NC for my granddaughter's surgery because I am not seeing Christine or Meri either  

Janelle:  So...I miss our flow. 

Kody: We good girl.  You my 2nd favorite wife.  We gonna rekindle our romance when I get back

Janelle:  Oh?  You planning on cutting your hair?

Kody:  What?

*****

Robyn:  Here is our dirt with the drainage hole.  This reminds me of our hopes and dreams.  

Kody:  Christine, do you think just because we have no power or water lines to this dirt trap in 2+ years that our houses won't happen?

Christine:  Well, no one on line thinks we are ever going to build?

Kody:  Well we also don't have any plans for houses. 

Janelle:  I ain't saying Christine is lying but she ain't telling the truth about her kids being bullied. 

Robyn: Nope, not moving.  

Janelle:  Your kids live in Utah, that's why you want to go there, but I barely know their names. 

Kody: Me either.  

Meri: Utah doesn't deserve me.  I am a successful boss babe now.  

Kody:  I am 100% against this even though I didn't say that one on one.  Its because I'm the victim in all of this.

Janelle:  We ain't doing it Christine but I want to pretend like we care by saying "I honor you."   This sucks for you. 

Robyn:  Utah is like the viewers of this show, not friendly to me. 

Kody: That was a terrible pitch.  Christine should have asked Meri for tips on how to sell things better. 

Meri:  You can't quit this relationship first when I have planned that for the last season.   Look at the mountain.

Christine *closes her eyes* you can't make me look. 

Robyn *glares at the non-friendly COVID hug*

*****

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Soaper410

[whydoievencare]

Kody's "conversation" with Christine and Ysabel regarding her surgery - I was flabbergasted that he was proposing that she delay because it wasn't just about her but the whole family?  Does the whole family need to go to New Jersey to support her?  I think as long as Christine is with her, that would be sufficient.  He's disregarding the level of pain that she must have all day, every day.  I understand the concerns regarding possible exposure to Covid during travel there, time spent in hospital, staying with relatives.  But this is also surgery that is absolutely required.  I felt sorry for Isabel - Kody was an absolute asshole when he was speaking to them about it.  What Kody doesn't seem to get is that, while of course the family is important, in this instance, Ysabel is the most important and it's necessary to make sure she's looked after.

Regarding Christine's meeting with the family about moving back to Utah, I wish Janelle had said that she wasn't in agreement with Christine - she didn't have to say that she felt anger at the thought.  That's a great way to shut someone down.  Kody set up Christine to fail - in person he seemed interested in moving to St. George, but in his TH, he was laughing about how the other wives wouldn't be at all supportive and she'd get the flak instead of him.  I also thought how delusional it was of Christine to think she could in any way persuade him to actually move.  Like, that was her takeaway from speaking with Kody?  That wouldn't have been my conclusion afterwards at all.

Considering how long most of this group has been together and the length of time they've all been in therapy, I cannot believe they are still talking about how to "have a conversation".  What a bunch of maroons.  I did like how Meri went after Christine and spoke with her.

Edited April 19, 2021 by whydoievencare

[Kbo]

I like them being the camera people, I feel like we saw more honesty tonight than we have in a long time. There’s a lot to unpack, looking forward to reading everyone’s thoughts this week. 

[CSunshine76]

Why do Meri and Christine not realize that YES, they SHOULD walk away? What do they get out of this, aside from a TLC check? I usually just roll my eyes at these idiots, but tonight I am pissed, on behalf of Ysabel and Christine.  
But then again, help yourself, run! Run away from this shit show.

[Raynedon]

The wives are finally realizing Kody is & has been the cause of the majority of their conflicts and their unhappiness all along.  Kody's problem and the cause of his frustrations and unhappiness is that he's finally getting the push back from his wives & kids that he's deserved all along.  It's about time.  Geezus, how can anyone stand to deal with him!?!

Kody taking Sol to the landfill was shocking to me.  Sol acted more like a 5 year old rather than 8 & I had to playback that part to make sure I heard him correctly.  Saying his 8 year old son was "learning" to read?!?!?  The kid should have been reading books with chapters for a few years already, not just now learning to read at 8 years old.  Is he so out of touch that he doesn't know?  I think Robyn is mostly at fault with any immaturity or delay for not socializing him more, not getting him involved in activities with kids his age, etc.  He acted like the word landfill was a foreign concept and word.  I know the family isolated their kids when they first moved to Vegas because they were so distrusting of everything and everyone, but I thought they'd gotten over that.  I guess I'm naive thinking they'd wised up to the harms polygamy's isolations and mindsets were having on their families.

Then Kody telling his teen daughter if she wanted it sooner rather than later that she was going to have spine surgery ALONE.  What a despicable, awful, insensitive, selfish, POS man pretending to be a "father".  He was a sperm donor & that's it & I think his offspring are all realizing that.   I hate him; I can't imagine how strongly his kids feel about his treatment of them.  

Edited April 19, 2021 by Raynedon

[toodywoody]

Soooo Jenelle and Christine are suppose to stay there for him and not go be with their daughters. What an asshat. He hasn't really been around anyway so I don't know what Jenelle's bs of her mental state. These women except Robyn need to realize they are and were single parents.

[Adeejay]

I found it interesting that Meri was the one who comforted Christine instead of Janelle.  I thought those two had a special relationship, given the fact that Christine raised Janelle's kids.  Seeing her so unhappy breaks my heart.  I hope she moves back to Utah to be with her family.  

[suev3333]

3 minutes ago, whydoievencare said:

Kody was an absolute asshole when he was speaking to them about it.

Ya he was.  "Uhh, Can't she go have major surgery alone?". 😳 Is he serious?  And he's acting like covid will all be over in a few months so she can have her surgery then.   Uhh, no.

I think Christine has the right idea wanting out.  I could feel her pain about wanting an actual partner.  I think she could find someone to be happy with.  Life is too short.  She's not getting anything from Kodork. 

( Lmao, I cant stop calling him that now)

[Madding crowd]

I think Meri was being kind to Christine. The thing Christine is hurt about is not where they live. It’s that Kody doesn’t love her or value her or her kids. She is realizing she has no marriage and with the wives living separately, she isn’t part of a big poly family anymore. Rather than asking everyone to move, which won’t change her marriage; she needs to figure out if she wants to leave Kody and live a single mom. And Robyn can shut it with worrying about her 4 and 6 year olds changing schools. How many times did the older kids have to change schools?

[Just Wondering]

Wait, wait, wait.  It’s the “wives” and not Kody who are working overtime to keep all this going?? 
Kody isn’t privately wooing them with grand promises or instilling hope with persuasive compliments, but they are demanding he continue?? He tells them he’s in hell and it’s all their fault, but they beg to remain?? Meri especially reminding him that he pinkie swore?? To what? Treat them like tramps for all eternity? And they don’t want it to end??

[CouchTater]

Has Kody been a decent dad to the non-Robyn's in the past?  Or has he always been a piece of shit baby-daddy to them?

I'm just imagining a loving, or at least involved, Kody slowly pulling away from the non-Robyn's over the years, culminating in him being an asshole on the porch asking Ysabel if she can wait 6 months (where'd he pull 6 months from? out of his ass?), or travel alone for her surgery.  Wow.  I'd be crushed if I were Ysabel.  And embarrassed for anyone else to see my dad treating me this way.

I really wonder how all of the kids, particularly the older ones, feel about this season and this episode.  

[Art Of Noiz]

Tonight, I almost cried watching Ysabel's sweet face alternate  poker face, anger, despair. All at her dad. 

These women have spent 11 yrs (?) Telling THE WORLD what a wonderful father Kody is. Ad Nauseum.  Or! They tried. TLC has shown it differently, imo.

[Irate Panda]

Well I bet Christine is having a great birthday today reliving this shit show.

[Cancun]

I’m too angry to make any insightful comments about tonight’s show, so I’m just gonna leave these two visuals from the episode.

Edited April 19, 2021 by Cancun

[SunnyBeBe]

Kody knows that he is to love his wives as Christ loved the church. He seems to have forgotten his teachings.  I hope he counsels with a church elder and a doctor.  So, that was the finale, right?   Will there be another season?

[absolutelyido]

Using Meri's logic that Christine can't make a decision to leave the marriage that has been causing her pain for years because she is hurting, no one would ever get divorced. 

[Raynedon]

 Meri hasn't learned anything from her catfishing experience and fallout.  She hasn't grown.  She may think she's become an independent woman, but she's still mired up to her eyeballs in her disfunctional, abusive polygamous marriage and for her to talk Christine into settling for abuse and unhappiness and less out of life was heartbreaking.  These women are soooo F'd up they'll never be be happy.  Freedom and happiness and respect and appreciation have been offered and served to them on a silver platter but the brainwashing they've had is too strong for them to accept all that could be theirs.  I guess that if they refuse to work for and accept better for themselves and their families and don't care, why should I?  

Edited April 19, 2021 by Raynedon

[SunnyBeBe]

4 minutes ago, absolutelyido said:

Using Meri's logic that Christine can't make a decision to leave the marriage that has been causing her pain for years because she is hurting, no one would ever get divorced. 

Since they believe their marriages are for eternity, can they unseal the celestial marriages?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_marriage

[Just Wondering]

7 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Kody knows that he is to love his wives as Christ loved the church. He seems to have forgotten his teachings.  I hope he counsels with a church elder and a doctor.  So, that was the finale, right?   Will there be another season?

I hope girls watching this show don’t attempt to emulate any of the ideas promoted therein. I hope/pray this is not the only brush they have with God - because then it might be the last.

Edited April 19, 2021 by Just Wondering

[deirdra]

I wish when Meri was "consoling" Christine that Christine had said Kody has given up on me and my kids - how can I stay?

[Quilty]

BORING

[Raynedon]

22 minutes ago, CouchTater said:

I really wonder how all of the kids, particularly the older ones, feel about this season and this episode.  

I think the older kids have lived this life with Kody all along and, if anything, may be surprised much of this season (the honesty), especially tonight's episode made it to air, but not surprised that the interactions took place.  

[Art Of Noiz]

I smiled when Meri said there wasn't enough direct face to face conversation, that it was more behind the back. 

I really don't get Janelle's metamorphosis. It seems too abrupt. 

[Ucross]

Who the hell is this "Ysabel" all of a sudden?

[65mickey]

I so wanted Christine to speak up when Robyn had the nerve to say she was worried about the effect on Sol and her youngest child ( I have never learned her real name) that a move would have.  She just sat there and cried.  I guess she is so beaten down by Kody and his lack of caring and respect that she could not say what she wanted to say for fear that they would all come after her. 

[goofygirl]

So, Ysabel had spine surgery all by herself???  That was completely hideous.  Poor girl.

That thing growing in Sobbyn's neck just keeps getting bigger and bigger, doesn't it??

I STILL think the best idea for the other 3 basement "wives" would be for them to just move along and let Kodouche and Sobbyn figure out what to do in Flagstaff with Prairie Dog Pass.  Just slide on down the road.....

[65mickey]

 For some unexplained reason they keep hanging on to this myth that they are part of a family. No thy are not. It has been pointed out they are 3 single moms who get almost no emotional support from this sorry excuse for a man named Kody. I hope they are making big bucks for allowing themselves to be filmed and to remain part of this sham. 

[waterytart]

1 hour ago, Raynedon said:

 

Then Kody telling his teen daughter if she wanted it sooner rather than later that she was going to have spine surgery ALONE.  What a despicable, awful, insensitive, selfish, POS man pretending to be a "father".  He was a sperm donor & that's it & I think his offspring are all realizing that.   I hate him; I can't imagine how strongly his kids feel about his treatment of them.  

Her face broke my heart. I can't imagine how that must have made her feel. 

 

[NotinKansasanymore]

Someone explain this to me! So why couldn’t Kody fly out and stay a few days with his daughter for surgery, fly home and quarantine for two weeks?

does this all really boil down to he won’t spend 2 1/2 weeks away from Robyn?

[Tuxcat]

3 minutes ago, NotinKansasanymore said:

Someone explain this to me! So why couldn’t Kody fly out and stay a few days with his daughter for surgery, fly home and quarantine for two weeks?

does this all really boil down to he won’t spend 2 1/2 weeks away from Robyn?

I was with Kody regarding his frustration around COVID rules. I was irritated by Christine and Janelle's flippant attitude toward COVID. I was with Kody regarding his frustration around "talking about communicating" - enough already. But I cannot for the life of me understand why he wouldn't be able to go with Ysabel. 

Is Robyn not able to be without Kody for a couple of weeks? She has three almost grown children, an almost 5 year old and almost 10 year old. She does not work outside the home. Perhaps Dayton has more problems than we see. But still, call in help then if you need. Do what you need to do. Kody should have gone with Ysabel.

[maxmama]

2 hours ago, Art Of Noiz said:

 

Well my attempt to add the file didn’t work.  So I will say I am utterly disgusted by Kody’s attitudes about everyone in his family.  It’s his own stupid fault everything has splintered apart, with his constant need to uproot everyone, ripping kids out of their schools and friends.  Now he’s acting like everybody else caused the problem.  His behavior while talking with Christine about Ysabel broke my heart.  That poor girl listened to her father consider every way she could just live with the pain longer, it was sick.  He has zero insight as to the monumental role he has played in the disintegration of his family.  I hope Christine bails.

[SleepyAndClumsy]

When Kody suggested that Ysabel have the surgery by herself, I really wish she would have said, “You wouldn’t make Robyn’s daughter go by herself!”
 

WHY won’t ANYONE in the family call out the “pink elephant” in the room?! (Edited to add): And of course by that I mean Kody and his complete disdain for anyone besides Robyn and her family. What else does he have to do to get those poor women to pack up and leave??

Edited April 19, 2021 by SleepyAndClumsy
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[crimson23]

I still don't understand why if Kody is so worried about Covid, getting Covid, spreading Covid...why isn't he living in a house by himself?  it isn't any safer being at Robyn's.    It seems selfish on Robyn's part too. 

[DNR]

With NY/NJ being Covid hotspots i wonder if Christine was allowed to be with Ysabel much in the hospital ( since she’s a minor child maybe yes?)

Oh kodouche, i thought you couldn’t stoop any lower but that interaction with Ysabel was your lowest moment ever. Then he just walks off and in his TH is expressing love for Ysabel....how about telling her to her face you prick!!!!!!!!

I HATE HIM

RUN CHRISTINE RUN 

It was just rich , Sobyn worrying about her daughter having 2 more years of high school and not wanting to uproot her🤬Oh but it was perfectly fine when Gabe was totally upset about being uprooted in his last 2 years of HS , leaving friends , sports teams .  Wow does Sobyn run the show or what. It’s not Kodouche running things—-it’s Sobyn behind the curtain ! 

Edited April 19, 2021 by DNR
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[lindalouwho]

Living my entire life out here in the real world, it is hard to understand the depth of brainwashing these women have endured. Janelle is the only one not raised in this faith, but she has all the zeal of a convert. Kody is proving his father correct, he is not capable of being a husband to multiple wives.  I lay the blame of this family’s dissolution squarely on him. Perhaps, with the guidance of the elders in their church, these relationships wouldn’t have spun out of control. Christine may wait until Ysabelle graduates before she takes Truley to Utah. It’s where her family is.  She would be able to rejoin the fellowship of her church, which is so important to her. She owns her house, and should get enough selling it to start over. Meri is willing to accept the role many polygamist wives find themselves in as they age out of favor and rotation. I think she might end up back in Vegas, where she has friends.  Janelle is fine with crumbs, she’ll stay no matter what. Maybe in an rv so she can road trip to all her kids. She could park in Robin’s driveway when she’s in Flagstaff - Kody should be able to set her up with sewage, water and electric.  Robin gets the booby prize. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person.

[crimson23]

It's quite disturbing how Robyn and Janelle both kept using the terms...MY Kids and YOUR Kids...what happened to them all being THEIR Kids?  very telling    even  stupid Kody said that HIS kids lived in Flagstaff.... was he talking about Robyn's kids?  because he sure forgot about his North Carolina and Utah children.  No one even mentions Logan anymore. 

[endure]

4 hours ago, Cancun said:

I’m too angry to make any insightful comments about tonight’s show, so I’m just gonna leave these two visuals from the episode.

In the scenes outside Robyn looked like she is the oldest wife.  Kody must be wearing her out these days with her being the only one now.

[brewgirl]

7 hours ago, CSunshine76 said:

Why do Meri and Christine not realize that YES, they SHOULD walk away? What do they get out of this, aside from a TLC check? I usually just roll my eyes at these idiots, but tonight I am pissed, on behalf of Ysabel and Christine.  
But then again, help yourself, run! Run away from this shit show.

It's particularly hypocritical of Meri, since she was ready to bolt when she thought she was deep in a relationship with another man. Where was all of this "never quit, we've put 30 years into this, I'm never leaving" thoughtline when she was close enough to leaving that she probably had a bag packed? I guess she is feeling that misery loves company so if she has to stay, everyone has to stay. 

[Xena]

I hope decades from now, after all the wives have left Prince Jackwagon, that it is Ysabel that drew the short straw to stay behind to take care of her aging father.  I hope he falls, and breaks a hip.  And when he begs and pleads for her to take him to the hospital, she takes off her glasses to look him straight in the eye and says 'it will have to wait six months'.

[Granny58]

8 hours ago, whydoievencare said:

 Does the whole family need to go to New Jersey to support her?  

Why Jersey anyway?  I don't get it.  I live in Pennsylvania and work for a hospital system.  We do corrective surgery for scoliosis all the time.  It's not rare, experimental surgery.  Why not have it done in Arizona?

[ginger90]

6 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

Why Jersey anyway?  I don't get it.  I live in Pennsylvania and work for a hospital system.  We do corrective surgery for scoliosis all the time.  It's not rare, experimental surgery.  Why not have it done in Arizona?

Not a clue, but a thought. Perhaps Christine’s sister helped her find a hospital/surgeon where her financial situation would be accommodated.

 

Janelle, Robyn , and Meri were the only ones tweeting last night. Christine hasn’t this season at all. No clue why Kody didn’t.

One from Meri: ( many of hers were thanking people who tweeted condolences)

[Granny58]

1 minute ago, ginger90 said:

Not a clue, but a thought. Perhaps Christine’s sister helped her find a hospital/surgeon where her financial situation would be accommodated.

 

Janelle, Robyn , and Meri were the only ones tweeting last night. Christine hasn’t this season at all. No clue why Kody didn’t.

One from Meri: ( many of hers were thanking people who tweeted condolences)

I too suspect there must be a financial aspect to it, otherwise why bother?  I read while "watching" this show so I didn't catch details.  Did I hear that they had just gotten the kids health insurance after X amount of months?  So to me, that seems like a state funded plan for minors.   So once again, I don't understand the need for going to NJ.  

[t7686]

Yikes! Kody really hates Christine and her kids, doesn’t he? He hates her more then Meri I think. He still treats Mariah well... The juxtaposition between how he responded to Janelle going to travel to see Maddie and Christine traveling to help Ysebel? So sad. And how he treated Sol compared to Ysebel? WTF happened behind the scene was between these to? I really felt for Christine, she needs to get out. 
 

I live in NY and I’m just as COVID cautious as him but he’s using it as a way to be with Robyn 24/7. I think it made him realize that he likes living with her all time time and is resentful for Christine calling him out on it. 

[SuzWhat]

I realize Kodouche and Janelle are not knocking boots constantly but that was very shitty and disrespectful of him to refer to their “raging romance” with such disdain.  On camera. Needless to say, what he did to Ysabel and Christine was abusive. Narcissistic fuck. 

[t7686]

5 minutes ago, SuzWhat said:

I realize Kodouche and Janelle are not knocking boots constantly but that was very shitty and disrespectful of him to refer to their “raging romance” with such disdain.  On camera. Needless to say, what he did to Ysabel and Christine was abusive. Narcissistic fuck. 

True. He’s an ass all around but at least he was somewhat kind to Janelle. What a prick

 

[winsomeone]

Didn't Kody say none of the kids would want to return to Utah after they leave the nest? Mariah is going to move there, and three of Christine's already live there. 

[SuzWhat]

12 minutes ago, t7686 said:

True. He’s an ass all around but at least he was somewhat kind to Janelle. What a prick

 

Yes, he gives Janelle just enough so she can justify staying.   She can say "he didn't mean to disrespect me, he told me he loved me and looked me in the eye.".  

Janelle on moving to Utah: "I'd be sitting in a sub division somewhere".  As she sits in a sub division in Flag for 2+ years.

Edited April 19, 2021 by SuzWhat
adding a thought.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

11 minutes ago, SuzWhat said:

 

Janelle on moving to Utah: "I'd be sitting in a sub division somewhere".  As she sits in a sub division in Flag for 2+ years.

Well, Janelle, sometimes we don’t get everything we want. Better to be in a subdivision (doubtful that is the only option) and have money to travel to see Maddie, to put Savanah through college, etc. It’s a trade off. Hell, I doubt she has enough money to get her through next year’s basic finances.