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2 minutes ago, Teriacky said:

According to People, Josh was arrested by Homeland Security. 

The actual jail has him as arrested by US Marshals. I'm more inclined to believe the jail on that count. But I totally believe he was arrested by the Marshals at the behest of Homeland Security and that is who has been investigating him.

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HSI is the second largest criminal investigative agency (8,700+ special agents) in the United States and is primarily responsible for investigating transnational crime.  HSI investigates violations of laws related to human rights, human smuggling, cybercrime (i.e. child pornography), narcotics smuggling, weapons and other types of related contraband, financial crimes, intellectual property rights, transnational gangs, and export enforcement issues. 

A synopsis of what Homeland Security investigates...

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15 minutes ago, Teriacky said:

According to People, Josh was arrested by Homeland Security. 

People magazine is doing shitty journalism. Homeland Security did the raid back in 2019. He could have been arrested on their behalf, but there's no direct evidence that Homeland Security is involved now. It could be true, but their sources are wonky. 

They also said the Ashley Madison took place a month after the birth of M4. It didn't. It was the same month, because TLC cancelled 19 kids after the Ashley Madison scandal took place. The show was cancelled the day M4 was born.

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4 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I hope Smuggar sings lime a canary and takes Boob down with him. 

I want the lot of them to go down. The entire extended fundie universe. 

Guess I have to settle for Smugs right now.

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26 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I hope Smuggar sings like a canary and takes Boob down with him. 

So say we all.

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He looked high to me in the mug shot, which leads me to wonder if he got involved in criminal activities to finance his habit.  It’s not inconceivable.  

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1 hour ago, madpsych78 said:

A synopsis of what Homeland Security investigates...

Hi - I’ve never watched any of these shows or have ever posted on this thread before. But as a long time member going way back to Television Without Pity...

WTF? Who the fuck gets arrested by the US Marshal’s on behalf of Homeland Security? Homeland Security didn’t have their own guys? And what the fuck did you do for Homeland Security to come after you in the first place? Not in FBI’s jurisdiction? Even if - why would the FBI be coming after you?

I cannot even imagine a scenario that any of the above would come looking for me - and I’m no angel (see Handbasket to Hell re “reality”tv).

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2 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I hope Smuggar sings like a canary and takes Boob down with him.

That is my biggest hope.

I actually don't care if anything happens to Josh, if it happens to be something like money laundering, I want to see JimBooger taken down and buried.  I really dislike that piece of garbage. 

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If a person was criming while storming the Capitol on Jan 6, would any subsequent arrest be via Federal Marshals? Just wondering. I have no info on any particular person being in this situation.  

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29 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Josh's statement following charges:

I apologize to my wife, kids and family. Satan came back and built a new fortress. Please allow us privacy during this trying time.

Is that accurate? I could see that line uttered on SNL.

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2 minutes ago, Iguessnot said:

Is that accurate? I could see that line uttered on SNL.

No, Josh hasn't been charged yet. I made it up.

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5 hours ago, cereality said:

Former federal court lawyer here — federal charges are never insignificant. US Attorneys Offices are busy and always under staffed — they don’t bring petty crime type of cases because it isn’t worth their time. At this point Anna better be praying that this a financial/tax fraud type of issue not a porn ring, prostitution, trafficking, or molestation type of issue — and if charged for any of those sex type of crimes are brought in federal court, you’re looking at a crime ring type of situation, not a one off molestation type of case (bc that would go to state court).

Any idea what time the initial appearance is tomorrow? That’s when we’ll see a criminal complaint and more importantly the supporting affidavit which sets out what he did.

So if it is financial, tax fraud situation; is that guaranteed some jail time?

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WTF? Who the fuck gets arrested by the US Marshal’s on behalf of Homeland Security? Homeland Security didn’t have their own guys? And what the fuck did you do for Homeland Security to come after you in the first place? Not in FBI’s jurisdiction? Even if - why would the FBI be coming after you?

I always laugh when famous people try to claim it's so easy to get arrested. I've never even come close. I don't know anyone who has been arrested either. Having Federal agents haul you off sounds pretty serious.

The title of this thread gets more and more accurate as time goes on. Meanwhile, Anna keeps pushing out babies on that 2 year schedule. I wonder more about what's wrong with her than I wonder about what's wrong with Josh.

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Madtown said:

I would love to be a fly on the wall at Jill and Derick's.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Derek tipped an agency off to begin with.

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37 minutes ago, zenme said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Derek tipped an agency off to begin with.

I've been wondering if they somehow knew about this and is why Jill has been talking about being stressed lately.

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4 hours ago, Jennifersdc said:

WTF? Who the fuck gets arrested by the US Marshal’s on behalf of Homeland Security? Homeland Security didn’t have their own guys?

The Marshals Service assumes custody for all prisoners charged with a federal offense, no matter which agency made the arrest.
 

Reference: https://www.usmarshals.gov/prisoner/index.html

 

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He looks smug and like he thinks his daddy will come and save him from his problems in his smugshot. 

 

My lunch break will be right around when we'll find out what the charges are. 

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6 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Is anyone else feeling Christmas morning levels of anticipation for tomorrow? I seriously hope and pray these charges have nothing to do with kids, but damn if I'm not excited to see Joshley in an orange jumpsuit (hopefully) being denied bail. 

 

I have cleared my calendar 😉

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5 hours ago, Jennifersdc said:

Hi - I’ve never watched any of these shows or have ever posted on this thread before. But as a long time member going way back to Television Without Pity...

WTF? Who the fuck gets arrested by the US Marshal’s on behalf of Homeland Security? Homeland Security didn’t have their own guys? And what the fuck did you do for Homeland Security to come after you in the first place? Not in FBI’s jurisdiction? Even if - why would the FBI be coming after you?

I cannot even imagine a scenario that any of the above would come looking for me - and I’m no angel (see Handbasket to Hell re “reality”tv).

The Marshals often do the pickups and transporting and all that stuff on behalf of all the federal agencies. That's one of the Marshals' main jobs -- they chase down fugitives, find people who are wanted by other agencies and pick up people for the other federal agencies when there are no other agents from the actual arresting agency free at the time in the area where the person is. The Marshals are basically highly expert gofers, protectors, escorts, etc. 

6 hours ago, 3 is enough said:

He looked high to me in the mug shot, which leads me to wonder if he got involved in criminal activities to finance his habit.  It’s not inconceivable.  

Either that or the thought of this happening -- which has to have been active in his mind at least since the 2019 raid -- has increased his desire for chemically induced oblivion at the moment....

Once DHS had picked up his computer, he had to know what highly trained government agents would be looking for on it -- and that someone would most likely find it. So that's nearly two years of a very specific fear very very much in his head, no doubt. That wouldn't go away, day or night,  probably.

So either your suggestion or this one or BOTH are all good possibilities, I'd say. 

 

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6 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Is anyone else feeling Christmas morning levels of anticipation for tomorrow? 

Hee! @MargeGunderson's calendar is cleared for this, and mine didn't need clearing. I slept badly last night, since I had a rare-for-me upset gut which has finally calmed down. I'm so ready to find out what Josh is charged with and where bail is set. It's bringing a little oomph to my otherwise blah morning. 

9 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

He looks smug and like he thinks his daddy will come and save him from his problems in his smugshot. 

My lunch break will be right around when we'll find out what the charges are. 

Doncha know JB is going to HATE having to fork over fees and tie up money/property as surety to bond Josh out of jail? And pay to hire a criminal defense lawyer for Josh? Depending on the nature of the charges, JB may not be able to lean on some fundie type lawyer to take the case for cheap. Hee hee.

I'll be refreshing my Google search later today for news of the hearing. Hope some reporters attend the hearing, whether it's a video hearing (pandemic) or in-person. 

IMO if the Duggar show was one of TLC's flat-out "we're trashy/crazy/dysfunctional and happy to act it all out for the cameras" series? Josh's arrest and criminal charges would. be a GREAT plot twist. Crews would have been rushed out to Arkansas yesterday afternoon and the cameras would be rolling. It would be GOLDEN for the show and all involved in it.

However, since the show is all phonied up and is about these earnest Christians who court like it's 1821 and pump out babies like nobody's business? Not to mention the family will not defy JB and be real and honest on camera, or say anything to sully the wonderful image of Duggarworld? Bad situation (as my TLC secret crush Dr. Now would say).

Is the Duggar name getting toxic in fundieland - or will they successfully spin this as just the devil (and the ebil government) persecuting godly Christian people?

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On a local radio station, they mentioned his arrest and said "Josh Duggar was arrested in connection with a used car dealership he once owned. It's unclear what charges he is facing. Sources say the arrest is related to a 2019 Homeland Security raid on his now closed car dealership."

Obviously we have talked about this situation, but just reporting what I heard. I know they get their info from Page 6. 11:00 can't come soon enough!

 

 

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I do feel sympathy for Anna.   Once again pregnant and major stress, public shame and worry about her husband.   Yes, she could have prevented pregnancy; yes, she was smug about her husband and their lives.   Bottom line, I just think she's been brainwashed and conditioned since birth. leaving her completely unable to consider there are flaws in the belief system. 

She is both part of the problem and a victim of the system.   I truly do not believe she has even the slightest ability to recognize all of the egregiously erroneous things she believes because it is the entire foundation she stands on, and has taught her children to stand on.     

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15 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

The kids, yes. Anna, no.

I feel for Anna she is so brainwashed, she probably feels stuck now and this is her life and just accepts it.

15 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

He looks so fucking smug in his mug shot

I want to slap that smirk off his face! 

14 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

Maybe counting on will get canceled?!

We can only hope.

10 hours ago, EarlGreyTea said:

Derick and Jill gave a super brief statement here.

 

I wonder if those two are having a party or they’re gonna wait till Josh is behind bars.

14 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

More and more, I think Anna is the driver behind the pregnancies. I think she is the one who wants 19 kids, not Josh. I remember when they announced M4 and Josh looked miserable then.

 

 

 

 

Josh is the headship in his family if he didn’t want more kids he should’ve said something to Anna. They say that it’s the men in control in this cult but it seems like the women control a lot of things too. For all the sneaking around he does he couldn’t have sneaked around and got a vasectomy.

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I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the various Duggar households this morning.  I wonder how Anna is spinning this with her kids. Where is daddy? When is he coming back? 

I truly hope they didn't see him get arrested. But they probably did, unfortunately. 

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1 minute ago, FizzyPuff said:

Josh is the headship in his family if he didn’t want more kids he should’ve said something to Anna. They say that it’s the men in control in this cult but it seems like the women control a lot of things too. For all the sneaking around he does he couldn’t have sneaked around and got a vasectomy.

His family became rich and famous (well in the context of reality show stars) because of having more kids than they could afford.  He should have had a vasectomy, but (a) he didn't have the money to pay for one and (b) JB wouldn't give him the money to have one because more kids means more money in their screwed up views, after all weddings and babies is what has made this family famous / infamous. Also he probably thinks having a vasectomy would make him less of a man (not that he is any sort of man other than fathering children).  He could have told Anna he didn't want any more kids and went to Sam's to buy extra condoms, but for whatever reason he didn't/wouldn't. 

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Just now, Lisa418722 said:

His family became rich and famous (well in the context of reality show stars) because of having more kids than they could afford.  He should have had a vasectomy, but (a) he didn't have the money to pay for one and (b) JB wouldn't give him the money to have one because more kids means more money in their screwed up views, after all weddings and babies is what has made this family famous / infamous. Also he probably thinks having a vasectomy would make him less of a man (not that he is any sort of man other than fathering children).  He could have told Anna he didn't want any more kids and went to Sam's to buy extra condoms, but for whatever reason he didn't/wouldn't. 

And in their world, they are making babies God. Or some crap like that. I don't think Josh would ever think about it. 

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22 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

More and more, I think Anna is the driver behind the pregnancies. I think she is the one who wants 19 kids, not Josh. I remember when they announced M4 and Josh looked miserable then.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't doubt that one bit.   That's exactly what Anna believes she is supposed to be doing, fulfilling her husband's desires, and then God blesses them with more children.  I genuinely do not think she recognizes another option.    The more children she has, the more she sees herself as living a life that God approves.   She also probably has more status as a mother of, I forget how many, than she did as a mother of two or three.   

I do think Josh realizes that, had he not screwed up their ability to live independently, he could have done something to stop the baby train because he would have theoretically had the authority to be the headship in his own marriage.   We all know he screwed  up and they had to scurry back to the fold and JB's perpetual headship.  Irony being, both Josh and JB have wound up foisted on their own petards -- Josh has zero control over his life, and JB is stuck grinning like a monkey every time Anna becomes pregnant once again.   No doubt in my mind JB does not want to support that endless string of mouths to feed, but he has absolutely no way to prevent the breeding and he knows he would be publicly roasted for turning his back on the helpless mother and grandchildren.    

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So were most of the family posting on SM like they usually do the day before and the day of Josh's arrest?

It is interesting to speculate if the family knew this might be coming or if they were caught completely unaware.  We had two surprise, low-key weddings but we also still had Jeremy posting about pretentious food and golf socks, so it's hard to tell.

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I hope Josh, and any others charged, get what they deserve nothing more nothing less.

This a family. Seeing their brother(s?) and possibly father charged with crimes is not going to makes things better for any of them.

I'm as eager as everyone to see Josh charged this afternoon and I'll snark along with the rest of you. I'll even joke about some of the impact on the siblings. But I really do feel bad for Anna, the kids and the siblings. At least that's where I'm at now.

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I’ve lost sympathy for Anna at this point.  I do feel for the oldest daughter Mackynzie who will be devoting a lot of her time with childcare and household duties.  It’s very unfair for the older daughters to get this responsibility.  Of course Anna likely thinks it’s a treat:(   

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4 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I’ve lost sympathy for Anna at this point.  I do feel for the oldest daughter Mackynzie who will be devoting a lot of her time with childcare and household duties.  It’s very unfair for the older daughters to get this responsibility.  Of course Anna likely thinks it’s a treat:(   

Its so much more than childcare though. Their dad has been arrested. They're just little kids. Innocent kids. IMO, no kid deserves to live through something like this.

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