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  1. Churchhoney

    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    Yeah, but it's possible that some companies give you a set time period to work with them on their first "contract" or some such thing.... Like their original contract with him could have said that he was able to offer X deal or discount for 90 days or something? .... A business might do that as a way to get data about the person's success level so that at the end of that period they'd have a clearer idea about whether they should just re-up with the same offer or change the offer or decline to re-up or whatever. I just sense some lawyerly caution in that message. And I wouldn't be surprised that there are contracts involved in some such arrangements that could make dumping someone instantly a problem if they originally got through your vetting..... And in today's legal climate, it would be especially dicey to dump a conservative Christian in that way if there's any language that sets terms -- like a time period -- that you're now denying them. That's the kind of battle lots of conservative-Christian law students -- like Der -- are training to fight.
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    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    Sounds to me from the thing they wrote that they may be in an agreement with him that means they'd be on shaky ground if they took it back? (Plus, they might lose some sales that they're getting? Or come in for a hate campaign for publicly dumping this wonderful Christian? Lol) Just the verb tenses in what they wrote suggest to me that they may not feel able to dump him, maybe based on the exact process and documents they've used up to now to bring people into the fold?-- just to do better in the future.... "Knowing what we know now, we would not have sent him products to try." And they say, "we do not consider him a brand spokesman" but they don't say they'll rescind it. And they "will implement stricter vetting processes for future relationships going forward to avoid missteps like this one."
  3. Churchhoney

    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    Gotta love the Redditors. (well...a lot of the Redditors, anyway...)
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    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    I expect he likes the whiff of "I'm upper class" that MacArthur enjoys giving off (I think.). .... Jer's into material things and dollars -- but the aura I expect he wants is the "I don't need to get money. I've already got money. And I'm still so godly!"
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    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    I hear ya. The love of money is so common and takes so many kind of awful forms!
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    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    Well, the accrediting agency certainly tells a tale of of the back-biting and jockeying.. I wonder whether this is something Jer will take to easily -- or whether his current position with MacArthur is strong enough so that he'll be somewhat shielded from it as one of his favorites. That's a complaint faculty and students made to the accrediting board. MacArthur's actually very anti-prosperity gospel, though. He has lots of sermons and writings bashing it. He's part of a long-time California well-off evangelical culture that never needed the prosperity gospel -- which has mostly been preached to poorer people as a way to entice them into Christianity (or at least into the clutches of a particular preacher. MacArthur's white evangelical community tended to migrate to Southern California from further east (mostly from the south) in the first half of the 20th century to take jobs in a bunch of newly booming California industries, like defense and media. And many did very well. So for a long time it was the main money center of conservative Protestantism. Over the last 50 years, more well-off evangelical communities have appeared elsewhere, but the southern Californians were the prime movers who bankrolled and drove the movement of evangelical-friendly politicians such as Reagan into Washington power circles in the mid-to-later decades of the last century.
  7. Churchhoney

    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    That'd be nice! But Jer's California hero and now, apparently, personal mentor staunchly preaches that if a Christian family raises a kid who insists they're gay, the family must break all ties with the kid --i.e., you can't even talk with them over a dinner -- unless they change their ways. Because to say you're gay and intend to act as such is not just a single moral failing but some kind of blasphemous offense against God Himself. And true Christians are required to react to such a sin by shunning. So that kind of outing seems unlikely to happen! I'd be interested to know what kinds of things could help them gradually alter their stances....Having a brother who's just written and directed a film with a trans protagonist isn't enough to do it, it seems.....even though Jer does have apparently quite friendly interactions with his brother, plays internet chess with him and so on.... I think I go with @Zella's hypothesis: Jer is moving in a bunch of potentially contradictory ways at once and doesn't necessarily know what he's aiming at. That may actually be good news.
  8. Churchhoney

    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    I have blue light lenses too. I try not to work on the computer too close to bedtime, but sometimes I need to get something written and I break the rule. Seemed to me that I was having extra trouble getting to sleep on those nights, so I got the glasses to use on those occasions, and, as with @Zella, they seem to work. Also as with Zella, it could be a placebo effect. (I'm okay with a placebo effect, but I don't need to pay $95 for it!)
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    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    When he's looking for a job a couple years from now, will somebody on the hiring committee say, "I'm not sure I want a pastor who's well known on the internet for trying to sell pizzas and pocket squares?" Or is this kind of thing so common now that nobody will think twice about it? I also wonder whether a high-falutin' Calvinist congregation might think twice about hiring someone who regularly shows up on tv with Duggars, who don't just have bad theology but are, um, pretty down market.
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    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    Yeah, I think what makes sense is to know that there's a shiny facade here and to look beyond it to see what their current stated beliefs are....-- But to also keep in mind that all the Duggarlings and Duggar-adjacents are still young .... so there's hope and time for them to think things through and come to some different conclusions!
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    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    Well, you can get bluelight-filtering glasses that work just fine for under $20. But if you just gotta have those $95-and-up frames, I guess you just gotta have 'em. My only remaining hope is that he doesn't continue with the shilling once he graduates and gets another actual church job. To me, it's unethical to combine a position of such trust and influence with constantly urging people to buy expensive things. For the time being, I plan to believe that he knows that.
  12. Churchhoney

    Josiah and Lauren: He Has To Marry Somebody

    Key word here, I'd say. For them, parenthood is all about those kids being mine mine mine mine MINE!!!!! And my toys have to do what I say.
  13. Churchhoney

    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    In my opinion, "happy" is a "compared to what" thing. We're programmed to make the best of whatever situation we're in in order to survive in it. So most of us do that. And when you're doing that, you can look quite "happy" to the world (and even to yourself, to varying degrees, depending on your personality, I think) when you're really just making the best of a very bad situation. And when you've never experienced any of the things that you might later find truly make you happy. And when you accept as normal quite horrible, imprisoning things -- because you've never seen or experienced anything better so you don't know that anything else exists. Or you've been taught that any other way of living is a bad, dangerous thing that you have to shun or get into horrible danger or go to hell or whatever. My family member who figured out in her 80s that she'd been treated worse than shit by a couple of people she'd given her allegiance and love to until they died was described with the following tagline in her senior high-school yearbook: " So lucky! If only all our spirits could be so happy and serene." (Yes -- this is the kind of thing a high-school yearbook staff wrote in the 1930s!) She smiled and didn't complain. Complaining and not smiling weren't permitted. But everybody saw the smiles and heard no complaining, so their minds went right to "Happy!" "Serene!" "Lucky!" I helped push her toward understanding what had really happened because of the way I complained about my own quite similar experience -- and a large part of me thinks that I did a lousy thing by doing that. (However, she didn't really believe me when I bitched about such things -- she tried her best to just write me off as a grump!) What finally pushed her over the edge was that, as an elderly woman, for the first time she made some friends who talked a lot together about their lives. And they all expressed horror at things she described that she had always told herself were perfectly normal and fine. It was like a bright light had suddenly come on. LIke Helen Keller with her hand under the pump -- "Wa....wa....water!" And in this case, I can't decide if it was a good thing or a bad thing. But I agree that it's perfectly possible to go through life imprisoned and never know it. And that way you can figure you're happy, even if your happiness isn't something a lot of other people would recognize. In a way, that's my wish for the Duggarlings .... because who wants regrets? At the same time, though, I hope they raise their kids differently..... And they probably will, to some extent, anyway. They were sucked into this lifestyle. They didn't choose it. So that almost certainly means that few of them will have enough energy to promote and enforce it the way their parents -- first-generation zealots -- did.
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    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    Well, based on my own experience of some family members who woke up to their imprisoned status late in life -- in one case in the person's 80s, in fact -- yes. Quite possibly. And if you end up re-evaluating decades of imprisoning things that you never noticed, or never allowed yourself to notice, it can change your whole concept of the life you've lived and the people you've lived it with. And it can give rise to one of the worst things in the world -- regrets that you're pretty powerless to do anything about after a lot of time has passed. This certainly doesn't happen to everyone who's in thrall to some power monger. But it does happen. And, of course, even if it doesn't, the true talents and possibilities of imprisoned people never get to flourish or help change the world or the family or the individual themselves for the better. The imprisoned person does nothing but bolster the power of the current-day other-squelching powers-that-be and embolden and strengthen those powers to be even more of a curb on other people......And while the powers-that-be think that's the ideal situation, I can't think of a time or place in human history when that was ever a good thing for humanity in general. So even if you yourself never notice that you're imprisoned, it's likely that your imprisonment is a detriment to something or someone, somewhere sometime, in my opinion.
  15. Churchhoney

    The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

    I agree. Of course, at that rate women will finally be considered men's equals around the year 3500 or so. 😀
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