Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Normades]

On 1/2/2019 at 11:04 AM, Zahdii said:

Is it time to lure Josh back into the bedroom with a sandwich?

"Here Joshua!  Look!  A sandwich!  Made just for you!  Here boy!  Come and get it!  Good boy!  Now, there's just one little thing you have to do first...

Get up on the bed.  Come on.  Good boy!  Now just close your eyes and think of pastrami.  That's it!  Think of cheese!  Oohh, yes, that's the ticket!  Mustard!  Oh yes, mustard is the best!  Pickles, Joshua, pickles!  We're almost there!  Onion!  Yesss, onion on Rye!  We did it!!!!! 

Joshua, I think you deserve a treat.  After your sandwich, how about we get you some ice cream?"

Ok, you killed me with that!!  Hilarious!!

[galaxychaser]

I can’t stand to look at her. How she is still with him? A good mom would have left and protected her kids! Who is paying for everything? Neither seems to be working.

[Talky Tina]

That's the most fake smile I've ever seen. 

[Heathen]

On 1/2/2019 at 4:45 PM, BitterApple said:

I wonder if she is already. She's put on a ton of weight.

People on this board have been claiming Anna is pregnant, based on alleged weight gain, for months now! 

[Bayarea4]

If Anna were pregnant, she wouldn't have to fake the smile.

[Temperance]

2 hours ago, Heathen said:

People on this board have been claiming Anna is pregnant, based on alleged weight gain, for months now! 

Yes to this, and Anna admitted months ago that she had gained weight. 

[magpye29]

On 1/2/2019 at 4:00 PM, Sew Sumi said:

Anytime between now and ow and March puts her on the schedule she's had for the last four. 

Emphasis on the "ow!"

[Lunera]

16 hours ago, Heathen said:

People on this board have been claiming Anna is pregnant, based on alleged weight gain, for months now! 

I was 100% sure she was pregnant when I saw her in the congratulations video at JDs wedding. She looked huge and her face was very swollen comapared to a few months before at Josiah's wedding. It's been a few months an obviously she hasn't birthed a baby but the weight gain is very strange. She has never regained weight after losing her baby weight.

[Temperance]

19 minutes ago, Lunera said:

I was 100% sure she was pregnant when I saw her in the congratulations video at JDs wedding. She looked huge and her face was very swollen comapared to a few months before at Josiah's wedding. It's been a few months an obviously she hasn't birthed a baby but the weight gain is very strange. She has never regained weight after losing her baby weight.

I know a few people who have lost and gained weight  like that especially after turning thirty. 

[drafan]

On 1/2/2019 at 9:59 AM, louannems said:

Aaaaaaaaaaand, she's back to spending an hour getting those Gothard Approved Banana Curls just right.  And righteously positioned over her breast, just so.

 

Aaaaaaaand, most likely has a wicked case of "Baby Fever".

[Jynnan tonnix]

36 minutes ago, Temperance said:

I know a few people who have lost and gained weight  like that especially after turning thirty. 

I definitely did...it took a long time to lose the baby weight the first time around, but I had gained something like 60 lb...Bounced right back after the second one was born, and pretty quickly with the third, but I was 31 by the time he was born, and  by the time he was around 3 or 4, I had gained about 30 more pounds that never did go away. I did lose some of them for a little while a few years later, but they all came back and brought lots of friends with them. In the 20 years since, I've never been less than 40 lb overweight, and sometimes up to 60.

[BitterApple]

It wouldn't surprise me if Anna's depressed and eating her feelings. She's 30 with five kids and married to a child molester. While it seems like the grands are welcomed at the TTH, I'm not so sure about her. I don't think the family is rude to her or anything, but I can't see the married sisters calling her to hang out and Jana has Lauren now. I also can't imagine many young moms wanting their children in Josh's presence, so who is there for her to be friends with? It must get very lonely. 

Edited January 5, 2019 by BitterApple

[Heathen]

Additionally, neither Ma nor Pa Keller is all that svelte, especially Pa. I would not be surprised if there is a genetic component to Anna's weight gain. 

 

That said, if Ofsmuggar continues her childbirthing pattern, she'll deliver #6 this fall or early winter. 

[PikaScrewChu]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

It wouldn't surprise me if Anna's depressed and eating her feelings. She's 30 with five kids and married to a child molester. While it seems like the grands are welcomed at the TTH, I'm not so sure about her. I don't think the family is rude to her or anything, but I can't see the married sisters calling her to hang out and Jana has Lauren now. I also can't imagine many young moms wanting their children in Josh's presence, so who is there for her to be friends with? It must get very lonely. 

It's interesting because the Duggar system was built on isolating rather than fostering healthy relationships and boundaries. Most of them seem to be in competition with one another in some shape or form and Anna herself has been a participant.

I often wonder if any of them actually do have dear friends (and not "dear friends" for the camera) or if the concept of friendship is totally lost on them.

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, Lunera said:

I was 100% sure she was pregnant when I saw her in the congratulations video at JDs wedding. She looked huge and her face was very swollen comapared to a few months before at Josiah's wedding. It's been a few months an obviously she hasn't birthed a baby but the weight gain is very strange. She has never regained weight after losing her baby weight.

I too thought Anna was pregnant because she appeared to be swollen and not just bigger. I was wrong (obviously)- she has just gained weight (which happens). 

 

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

It wouldn't surprise me if Anna's depressed and eating her feelings. She's 30 with five kids and married to a child molester. While it seems like the grands are welcomed at the TTH, I'm not so sure about her. I don't think the family is rude to her or anything, but I can't see the married sisters calling her to hang out and Jana has Lauren now. I also can't imagine many young moms wanting their children in Josh's presence, so who is there for her to be friends with? It must get very lonely. 

 

This is true. I don’t doubt that Anna loves her kids but they are far too young to be any sort of companion/ or friend to her. I also doubt Josh is any sort of company on an emotional level. It’s not like she has a career that allows her to have intellectual stimulation or interact with other adults. I can believe that she’s lonely. 

[Soaper410]

I think Anna has no real concept of what she wants.

She kissed the first boy she ever married, after she married him.  Whatever G rated version of the molestion she was told (I still don’t buy that story but whatever) wasn’t accurate.  I mean the Duggar’s built a house to stop the molestation and made that rule that boys had to sleep in their dress clothes for bedtime....I digress 

She marries this fundie “Star”, becomes this quasi-famous reality show star with the perfect marriage and family to prove that her life was superior to all dem sinners out there.  

 

Then they move to DC.  She’s alone and I’m sure exhausted but they are also fixing America and making sure abortions stop and gays aren’t on tv so it’s for the Lord.

Then everyone else finds out Josh is a pedo.  He loses his job, their place in fundie world spirals.  Then it ends up Josh has been cheating in his heart or in his car or whatever with strippers. She had to move back to Arkansas as her father in law does his best to keep the gravy train going.

She’s pregnant with baby4.  Her husband is a worldwide joke.  She can’t leave because of Jesus and she has no other employable skills because staring up at men adoringly and beginning seamstress.  

It then becomes her fault that her husband cheated on her.  She has to forgive him and blame herself because Jssus.

Now baby5 is growing up.  

Multiple sister in law are married to men who are on television.  There have been half a dozen Duggar weddings and honeymoons and babies.  Most of her s-I-l have more supportive husbands who are also not cheating on them or pedophiles. 

Any depression or regret is sinful.  Any resentment towards Josh is sinful.  IMO shes so suppressed and beaten down (by her own moral and religious ideals of what she is supposed to be) that she has no idea how she actually feels. 

[floridamom]

Anna and most of these young girls were not allowed to figure out what it is that THEY want when they 'grew up". They were TOLD what it is that they SHOULD want. The idea has never crossed Anna's mind. She is living out the Gothard script and was promised from when she was a little girl that if she followed that script, God would reward her with a perfect husband for her and that she would have a happy and satisfying married life. End of story.   This did not happen for her. She must have questioned why; I am still curious as to what it was that her parents and the Duggar parents told her then. We have not heard what it was that Anna wanted to do to make a bad situation worse.  As a human being, I highly suspect that Anna will never completely trust Joshie and that she will always have a bit of suspicion around things when he leaves the house or when he's on his phone. 

[queenanne]

6 hours ago, floridamom said:

Anna and most of these young girls were not allowed to figure out what it is that THEY want when they 'grew up". They were TOLD what it is that they SHOULD want. The idea has never crossed Anna's mind. She is living out the Gothard script and was promised from when she was a little girl that if she followed that script, God would reward her with a perfect husband for her and that she would have a happy and satisfying married life. End of story.   This did not happen for her. She must have questioned why; I am still curious as to what it was that her parents and the Duggar parents told her then. We have not heard what it was that Anna wanted to do to make a bad situation worse.  As a human being, I highly suspect that Anna will never completely trust Joshie and that she will always have a bit of suspicion around things when he leaves the house or when he's on his phone. 

I imagine the thing Anna wanted to do was ‘file for divorce’, no mystery there for me.  It’s the thing she’d consider the worst thing she could do.  Even Anna couldn’t mean ‘I almost used bad language at him!’ as her worst thing ever.

[JoanArc]

49 minutes ago, queenanne said:

I imagine the thing Anna wanted to do was ‘file for divorce’, no mystery there for me.

Which is why Jim bob and Michelle never let her out of their sight during the scandal, lest she go to her parents or siblings and go through with it. 

[Loves2Dance]

On 1/2/2019 at 11:04 AM, Zahdii said:

Is it time to lure Josh back into the bedroom with a sandwich?

"Here Joshua!  Look!  A sandwich!  Made just for you!  Here boy!  Come and get it!  Good boy!  Now, there's just one little thing you have to do first...

Get up on the bed.  Come on.  Good boy!  Now just close your eyes and think of pastrami.  That's it!  Think of cheese!  Oohh, yes, that's the ticket!  Mustard!  Oh yes, mustard is the best!  Pickles, Joshua, pickles!  We're almost there!  Onion!  Yesss, onion on Rye!  We did it!!!!! 

Joshua, I think you deserve a treat.  After your sandwich, how about we get you some ice cream?"

I don't know if I should applaud you or drink bleach after reading that. 

[andromeda331]

21 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Which is why Jim bob and Michelle never let her out of their sight during the scandal, lest she go to her parents or siblings and go through with it. 

Exactly. They didn't just keep an eye on her they moved her into their home which may come of nice and maybe that's how they worded it to her she'd have Jana to help her with her kids and not be alone. But had her sleep in the girls room. Zero chance to be alone and possibly realize how messed up her situation is and consider divorce. Not even alone in at night in a bedroom. 

Edited January 15, 2019 by andromeda331

[Rabbittron]

20 hours ago, Loves2Dance said:

I don't know if I should applaud you or drink bleach after reading that. 

[awaken]

12 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Exactly. They didn't just keep an eye on her they moved her into their home which may come of nice and maybe that's how they worded it to her she'd have Jana to help her with her kids and not be alone. But had her sleep in the girls room. Zero chance to be alone and possibly realize how messed up her situation is and consider divorce. Not even alone in at night in a bedroom. 

I think of how good it feels sometimes to be alone in the house when everyone else is at school and work. To take a nap in a quiet house. Or to be at work and close the door and focus on a project. Or the bliss of grocery shopping by myself and sitting with a pastry and latte after. These people haven’t and won’t ever get the chance to know how that can feel!  How confining and stifling. I feel claustrophobic just writing this. 

[lookeyloo]

10 hours ago, awaken said:

I think of how good it feels sometimes to be alone in the house when everyone else is at school and work. To take a nap in a quiet house. Or to be at work and close the door and focus on a project. Or the bliss of grocery shopping by myself and sitting with a pastry and latte after. These people haven’t and won’t ever get the chance to know how that can feel!  How confining and stifling. I feel claustrophobic just writing this. 

I enjoy that too.  When we have house guests, all of whom I love and like having around, when they leave I am totally exhausted from having to make conversation - I enjoy these conversations - its just there is no down time.  It must be like that at the TTH.  Chaos and commotion all the time.  No place for Anna or any of them to get a clear thought going.  Not even the bathroom, I think, because there are two toilets in some of them.  

[Westiepeach]

1 minute ago, lookeyloo said:

I enjoy that too.  When we have house guests, all of whom I love and like having around, when they leave I am totally exhausted from having to make conversation - I enjoy these conversations - its just there is no down time.  It must be like that at the TTH.  Chaos and commotion all the time.  No place for Anna or any of them to get a clear thought going.  Not even the bathroom, I think, because there are two toilets in some of them.  

No! Please tell me you are just playing with me and making that up...

[Darknight]

On 1/2/2019 at 11:04 AM, Zahdii said:

Is it time to lure Josh back into the bedroom with a sandwich?

"Here Joshua!  Look!  A sandwich!  Made just for you!  Here boy!  Come and get it!  Good boy!  Now, there's just one little thing you have to do first...

Get up on the bed.  Come on.  Good boy!  Now just close your eyes and think of pastrami.  That's it!  Think of cheese!  Oohh, yes, that's the ticket!  Mustard!  Oh yes, mustard is the best!  Pickles, Joshua, pickles!  We're almost there!  Onion!  Yesss, onion on Rye!  We did it!!!!! 

Joshua, I think you deserve a treat.  After your sandwich, how about we get you some ice cream?"

O God I just visualized this. Gross. 

[MargeGunderson]

12 hours ago, awaken said:

I think of how good it feels sometimes to be alone in the house when everyone else is at school and work. To take a nap in a quiet house. Or to be at work and close the door and focus on a project. Or the bliss of grocery shopping by myself and sitting with a pastry and latte after. These people haven’t and won’t ever get the chance to know how that can feel!  How confining and stifling. I feel claustrophobic just writing this. 

The whole never be alone or have some privacy is just another way that fundy parents exert control over their kids. If you never have a minute to yourself it's pretty hard to develop an independent thought or reflect on how screwed up everything is. They have perpetual accountability partners - first their parents and siblings, then their spouses. I would have absolutely withered in that environment. 

[Churchhoney]

4 hours ago, Westiepeach said:

No! Please tell me you are just playing with me and making that up...

I think one of them is a child's size toilet. .....

When a normal person creates a bathroom like that, it's just because they don't want to have a bathroom that ONLY has a child-sized toilet....Because then nobody bigger can use that bathroom......

And that may be the case with the Duggars, too. However, since they're the Duggars, who'd even know what their intention (or ordinary usage pattern) would be?!

[Zella]

Just now, Churchhoney said:

And that may be the case with the Duggars, too. However, since they're the Duggars, who'd even know what their intention (or ordinary usage pattern) would be?!

This made me laugh so hard that simply liking it was insufficient!

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Let me say, I'm not throwing shade at Anna for gaining some weight, because after having babies post-30, I have gained-lost-gained-etc.  And even though she's gained weight, she's hardly obese or anything.

I know for me, a lot of weight gain has to do with my mental health.  When I'm depressed, I'm more likely to gain weight or eat my feelings.  At times when I've felt like many things were out of my control, food was something I could control (whether it be to eat better or worse or more or less).  Sometimes people who have been abused will (perhaps unconsciously) gain weight as a way to make themselves unattractive to the person who abuses them.  I think any of these things are possible with Anna: depression, feeling like she can't control how her life worked out, not wanting Josh to bug her (or worse) for sex, or just plain trying to make herself unappealing to Josh because she finds him as gross as we do (or maybe is even over having kids).  It could be some form of self-protection.

It could be that Josh likes her thin and she's gained weight to passively do something/be something he doesn't like.  It could be she realized he long ago decided he didn't need to be assed to stay fit and trim to be attractive for her, so why should she deprive herself of junk food and the like to stay then for him? It could be the only kind of subterfuge that Anna (thinks she is) able to do.  

My husband used to be much more naturally thin and athletic (for years, he could get up off the couch with no training in months and run a 5K faster than I could with months of training; that's not the case any more after he hit 35).  He used to be able to eat all the garbage and drink all the booze without gaining any weight.  Even now, he's only maybe 10-15lbs overweight, and I'd be huge if I ate like he does. However, I have felt the pressure to really maintain a "thin" weight wane as he's gained a little weight in the past couple of years.  Let me be clear - he's never pressured me to be thin or even really "noticed" I've gained weight or cared.  It was all me and my perception that I needed to be thinner since I was with this guy with a nice, athletic build so we'd "fit" together aesthetically as a couple (which is stupid I know, but I felt the pressure from society anyway). I feel much less pressure about staying as thin as I once did now that he's not quite as svelte as he once was.  So I give into indulgences more and more often (and have less time to exercise as I did pre-kids and at the level I was at before kids/medical issues).  Since Josh hasn't been thin or actively caring about his own diet/exercise/weight to remain "physically attractive" to Anna for years, I kinda say "GO ANNA" if she's just decided she doesn't have to give any Fs about being super thin for her husband (as the Gothard cult emphasizes women should be) since Joshua obviously gives no Fs about staying thin for her.  Obviously, I'd love for her to do the healthy thing and address these issues clearly with him (and divorce him). I also assume that since she isn't on TV anymore much, she also doesn't feel the need to be "TV-thin" and that makes it easier for her to be more lax about what she eats. 

In any case, I hope Anna can find a way to deal with any issues in a more healthy way than through food/weight gain, but I can't knock on her for gaining a few pounds in her position.  Anna also seems to gain weight like I do.  I gain weight in my face and upper body and it sucks because it's hard to hide in photos when it's in your face and upper body. 

Edited January 16, 2019 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Christina87]

On 1/16/2019 at 5:03 PM, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Let me say, I'm not throwing shade at Anna for gaining some weight, because after having babies post-30, I have gained-lost-gained-etc.  And even though she's gained weight, she's hardly obese or anything.

I know for me, a lot of weight gain has to do with my mental health.  When I'm depressed, I'm more likely to gain weight or eat my feelings.  At times when I've felt like many things were out of my control, food was something I could control (whether it be to eat better or worse or more or less).  Sometimes people who have been abused will (perhaps unconsciously) gain weight as a way to make themselves unattractive to the person who abuses them.  I think any of these things are possible with Anna: depression, feeling like she can't control how her life worked out, not wanting Josh to bug her (or worse) for sex, or just plain trying to make herself unappealing to Josh because she finds him as gross as we do (or maybe is even over having kids).  It could be some form of self-protection.

It could be that Josh likes her thin and she's gained weight to passively do something/be something he doesn't like.  It could be she realized he long ago decided he didn't need to be assed to stay fit and trim to be attractive for her, so why should she deprive herself of junk food and the like to stay then for him? It could be the only kind of subterfuge that Anna (thinks she is) able to do.  

My husband used to be much more naturally thin and athletic (for years, he could get up off the couch with no training in months and run a 5K faster than I could with months of training; that's not the case any more after he hit 35).  He used to be able to eat all the garbage and drink all the booze without gaining any weight.  Even now, he's only maybe 10-15lbs overweight, and I'd be huge if I ate like he does. However, I have felt the pressure to really maintain a "thin" weight wane as he's gained a little weight in the past couple of years.  Let me be clear - he's never pressured me to be thin or even really "noticed" I've gained weight or cared.  It was all me and my perception that I needed to be thinner since I was with this guy with a nice, athletic build so we'd "fit" together aesthetically as a couple (which is stupid I know, but I felt the pressure from society anyway). I feel much less pressure about staying as thin as I once did now that he's not quite as svelte as he once was.  So I give into indulgences more and more often (and have less time to exercise as I did pre-kids and at the level I was at before kids/medical issues).  Since Josh hasn't been thin or actively caring about his own diet/exercise/weight to remain "physically attractive" to Anna for years, I kinda say "GO ANNA" if she's just decided she doesn't have to give any Fs about being super thin for her husband (as the Gothard cult emphasizes women should be) since Joshua obviously gives no Fs about staying thin for her.  Obviously, I'd love for her to do the healthy thing and address these issues clearly with him (and divorce him). I also assume that since she isn't on TV anymore much, she also doesn't feel the need to be "TV-thin" and that makes it easier for her to be more lax about what she eats. 

In any case, I hope Anna can find a way to deal with any issues in a more healthy way than through food/weight gain, but I can't knock on her for gaining a few pounds in her position.  Anna also seems to gain weight like I do.  I gain weight in my face and upper body and it sucks because it's hard to hide in photos when it's in your face and upper body. 

Oh i hope it is subterfuge! I would feel the same way, though. Josh isn't worth being married to, and clearly isn't attracted to her enough. Why diet when he is stuffing his face, and he will never gaze adoringly at her no matter what she does? I hate when guys expect you to keep up with them on the junk food front, but also magically stay thin, and I bet joshley is like this. 

Too bad leaving and finding a man who cherishes her is out of the question. 

[Normades]

On ‎1‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 1:39 PM, Churchhoney said:

When a normal person creates a bathroom like that, it's just because they don't want to have a bathroom that ONLY has a child-sized toilet..

I just have never understood why they felt a child sized toilet was necessary at all.  I know they have lots of kids, but I raised two with regular toilets and they're almost normal.  More normal than any Duggar could hope to be.  Anyway, it's like they thought they would perpetually have young children.  Did Boob and MEschelle think Jesus loved them so much that they would continue to have babies into their eighties???  Children grow!!  

After that babies into their eighties comment, now I need brain bleach!!! And I did it to myself!

[Churchhoney]

14 minutes ago, Normades said:

I just have never understood why they felt a child sized toilet was necessary at all.  I know they have lots of kids, but I raised two with regular toilets and they're almost normal.  More normal than any Duggar could hope to be.  Anyway, it's like they thought they would perpetually have young children.  Did Boob and MEschelle think Jesus loved them so much that they would continue to have babies into their eighties???  Children grow!!  

After that babies into their eighties comment, now I need brain bleach!!! And I did it to myself!

This is exactly what I thought! .... And I don't know anybody who ever put a child-sized toilet in their house. 

I wonder whether they just did it because they were getting the house for free, so they could have everything so why not toilets in all sizes? 

Of course, I've also heard that they put in the one big kitchen because they were thinking of having some kind of public church-y events at the house.....So maybe they had those toilets put in because they were anticipating strangers or near-strangers attending events there? The only time I've ever seen child-sized toilets is in bathrooms at schools and in the children's Sunday-school-class area of a church....

[Rabbittron]

On 1/17/2019 at 7:41 PM, Normades said:

I just have never understood why they felt a child sized toilet was necessary at all.  I know they have lots of kids, but I raised two with regular toilets and they're almost normal.  More normal than any Duggar could hope to be.  Anyway, it's like they thought they would perpetually have young children.  Did Boob and MEschelle think Jesus loved them so much that they would continue to have babies into their eighties???  Children grow!!  

After that babies into their eighties comment, now I need brain bleach!!! And I did it to myself!

 

[queenanne]

On 1/15/2019 at 9:59 AM, andromeda331 said:

Exactly. They didn't just keep an eye on her they moved her into their home which may come of nice and maybe that's how they worded it to her she'd have Jana to help her with her kids and not be alone. But had her sleep in the girls room. Zero chance to be alone and possibly realize how messed up her situation is and consider divorce. Not even alone in at night in a bedroom. 

Which also means the chances are high that Anna never got to feel as badly about the betrayals as she wanted to.  Can’t cry in peace, unless you can snatch 30 seconds in a bathroom without some other relation wanting it, or your attention, etc... ‘are you crying, Anna?  Want to talk about it?’ 

[Rabbittron]

I just saw a commercial for worst Cooks in America Anne Burrell says just think of a beautiful sandwich all I could think about this was that  Anna telling Josh this.

[EVS]

8 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

I just saw a commercial for worst Cooks in America Anne Burrell says just think of a beautiful sandwich all I could think about this was that  Anna telling Josh this.

That would be a perfect way for Jill to get back on tv, if her ego would allow her to recognize that she needs help learning to cook.

Edited January 22, 2019 by EVS

[doodlebug]

10 hours ago, queenanne said:

Which also means the chances are high that Anna never got to feel as badly about the betrayals as she wanted to.  Can’t cry in peace, unless you can snatch 30 seconds in a bathroom without some other relation wanting it, or your attention, etc... ‘are you crying, Anna?  Want to talk about it?’ 

If Anna ever expressed her true emotions over her husband's betrayal, let alone cried about it, her in laws wouldn't be asking her to talk about it.  They'd be telling her to cut it out, she needs to wear a happy countenance 24/7 and remember that Josh' bad behavior was all her fault since she clearly was a failure as a helpmeet.  Which is at least part of the reason why Anna undoubtedly keeps her negative feelings to herself.

[jcbrown]

4 hours ago, EVS said:

That would be a perfect way for Jill to get back on tv, if her ego would allow her to recognize that she needs help learning to cook.

Yes, but then she might have to learn from (gasp) a lesbian. You know Anne would pick Jill for her team just to torture her.

[Westiepeach]

14 minutes ago, jcbrown said:

Yes, but then she might have to learn from (gasp) a lesbian. You know Anne would pick Jill for her team just to torture her.

I want to find a way to make this happen. Ratings gold!

[Twopper]

On 1/17/2019 at 9:00 PM, Churchhoney said:

I just have never understood why they felt a child sized toilet was necessary at all.  I know they have lots of kids, but I raised two with regular toilets and they're almost normal.  More normal than any Duggar could hope to be.  Anyway, it's like they thought they would perpetually have young children.  Did Boob and MEschelle think Jesus loved them so much that they would continue to have babies into their eighties???  Children grow!!  

After that babies into their eighties comment, now I need brain bleach!!! And I did it to myself!

I actually thought about it when we were redoing the baby's bathroom, but we decided against it. I think I was suffering from a little "baby brain," but I really did like the cute bathroom redesign I saw in a magazine.  The bathroom had a child-size sink as well, and both incorporated animals --the sink I think was the elephant--into the design.  I have probably blocked out what the toilet was.   This was back in the 80's so maybe they saw the same magazine.   It makes sense to me that the Duggars would have a child size toilet.  Their children don't need them, but surely the 100+ grandchildren they expect to have could use them.

I don't watch this show regularly, so I have lost track of Anna and Josh.  What job does he have now? or are they freeloading with Ma and Pa?

[Bayarea4]

I had always assumed that the child-size toilets made toilet training quicker and easier for the littles. Toddlers might resist using the normal-sized toilets because to a child, they're big and scary. But they might be more willing to use a child-size toilet that is not much bigger than a potty chair. Also, with side-by-side toilets the younger ones can be encouraged to model the behavior of their older siblings, which could speed up the learning curve a bit and save a lot of diaper changes.

[Rabbittron]

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2019/01/josh-duggar-at-war-with-hometown-officials-over-sex-molestation-privacy-lawsuit/

 will Smuggar ever stop?

Just now, Rabbittron said:

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2019/01/josh-duggar-at-war-with-hometown-officials-over-sex-molestation-privacy-lawsuit/

 will Smuggar ever stop?

New article. 

[FizzyPuff]

2 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2019/01/josh-duggar-at-war-with-hometown-officials-over-sex-molestation-privacy-lawsuit/

 will Smuggar ever stop?

New article. 

What an idiot. 

[JoanArc]

Jim Bob and Michelle will never stop. If they can make it go away then it never happened and they're perfect parents. They'll be back to being popular and riding high. I'm glad they're wasting money on fool's errands like this.

Edited January 29, 2019 by JoanArc

[Rabbittron]

 I can't believe Smuggar said that he has a common law/ or constitutional law to sexually molest young or little girls.

[Normades]

1 hour ago, Rabbittron said:

 I can't believe Smuggar said that he has a common law/ or constitutional law to sexually molest young or little girls.

The way I understood it, he didn't actually say that.  It's just that the county is saying this is what his actions seem to indicate.  They really hate him to make such a statement!!  Gotta love it!!  I can't help but believe good ol' godly JimBoob is right behind all of this.  I hope it takes him down.  What a bunch of asses!!  No care for those poor girls and what they have endured.  If they were smart they would let it drop and move on.

[Rabbittron]

6 minutes ago, Normades said:

The way I understood it, he didn't actually say that.  It's just that the county is saying this is what his actions seem to indicate.  They really hate him to make such a statement!!  Gotta love it!!  I can't help but believe good ol' godly JimBoob is right behind all of this.  I hope it takes him down.  What a bunch of asses!!  No care for those poor girls and what they have endured.  If they were smart they would let it drop and move on.

Knowing the way Smuggar is I wouldn't be surprised if he said it or said something just like it because we'll never really know what was said in court.

[EmeraldGirl]

I’d actually watch these two on a show if they’d shoot up Josh with some nitrous oxide. 

I see Anna on Instagram showing off their big dog and talking about wanting to be blessed with more children. I’d love a real peek inside that house. What does Anna cook these days? Why is she getting fat? How does she manage school? Her kids are cute, clean, and nicely behaved. 

Unpoular opinion maybe, but cheating was the most normal thing Josh ever did in his life. Not that it’s ok - of course not. But it seemed to get so much attention. I know, because of his hypocrisy. But it almost took the attention off of the incest! And I happen to believe (or maybe just hope) that a young teenager can be rehabilitated. I’d hate to think that life is over and there’s no hope for them in society. Not that the parents really did anything to help though. 

Yeah, I’d kill for a camera in that place. 

Edited January 30, 2019 by EmeraldGirl

[madpsych78]

12 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

 Unpoular opinion maybe, but cheating was the most normal thing Josh ever did in his life. Not that it’s ok - of course not. But it seemed to get so much attention. I know, because of his hypocrisy. But it almost took the attention off of the incest! And I happen to believe (or maybe just hope) that a young teenager can be rehabilitated. I’d hate to think that life is over and there’s no hope for them in society. Not that the parents really did anything to help though. 

Yeah, I’d kill for a camera in that place. 

If Josh had not molested his sisters, and the only notoriety he achieved was Ashley Madison and cheating, I bet we would all have a different perception of Josh. Yes, he would still be criticized for hurting Anna, but he probably wouldn't be regarded as pond scum the way he is now. Infidelity is hurtful but it's not a crime. Plus, I regard the cheating as illustrative of the cracks and flaws of their belief system.