Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Marshmallow Mollie]

When the writer/actor Tina Fey was young, she was randomly attacked with a knife that left her with a scar on her face. I saw an interview with her and she said her therapist told her to expect a lot of memories and emotions to bubble up when her children get to be the same age she was when she was attacked. 

I have thought about that statement a lot regarding all the various levels of trauma these girls have been through. I really expected the girls to have an awakening when their babies turned six months old. As much as most of them seem to love having their own children, the fact that their mother PASSED OFF THE BABY at six months has to be in the back of their minds. Possibly Joe’s as well. I imagine all of those mothers of boys will have various reactions when their sons turn 14 or whatever age Josh was. If Joy has a girl, surely it will be on her mind when the girl is 5. And Jinger when Felicity turns 8. Etc. etc. This will continue to play out.

[JoanArc]

10 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

I can easily see Jim Bob going that route should Michelle pre-decease him.

Oh, he won't need a marriage agency, he'll just slave-trade buy coerce sexually traffic enter into a fellowship with another fundie dad with a hot 16 year old daughter and marry her. I guarantee it.

 

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Maybe that's why they keep the Hartono girl around.

I always figured the boy Hartono was a backup spouse for one of the girls, in case nothing else worked out. He must not've clicked with Jana. Also, they're not Pinoy.

[McManda]

20 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

However, if Jill was freaked out about being asleep, one can only imagine how she feels or felt every night, since she has to, you know, go to sleep.

Would that mean she has some sort of innate trust in Derick, then? I can't imagine marrying someone I've known a couple months, but especially basically giving him free reign over my body if I'd experienced a past molestation. That seems like giving up a considerable amount of control.

Or rather, if she was freaked about being put under for dental surgery how did she cope with sleeping next to Derick when they were first married? Those jonesing-for-a-baby hormones are apparently pretty strong.

[Zahdii]

Considering those girls are taught that one of their primary purposes of being a wife is to be joyfully available whenever their horny hubby is in the mood, I don't think that any of them start out their marriage thinking that consent is needed.  For them, 24 hour access is expected once the vows are said.  Hell, frequent sex is not only expected, they don't object when their husbands tongue them and drool over them at the alter, grab their butts during the reception, stage kiss on command camera sessions, or hump them on the golf course.

Remember, anyone can make their stud muffin a sandwich, but only they can fulfill that special need that will result in a blessed pregnancy.  Failure to procreate or keeping their man from straying is obviously a sign that they're not Godly enough.  No pressure there.  Waking up to find that their husband forgot to ask nicely or put in the effort of a little foreplay is the least of their worries.

[mynextmistake]

On 11/28/2018 at 7:58 PM, madpsych78 said:

Well now this just needs to happen, it is a requirement.

I’ll see what I can do. 

[Christina87]

On 11/29/2018 at 12:04 PM, Scarlett45 said:

I agree that in another life Josh would still be a sleezy tool. I don’t think he’d ever find a “nice woman” or if he did she would eventually leave him due to his infidelity and constant disrespect. This is a man who repeatedly molested his little sisters, cornered them in their own home and made them AFRAID to sleep in their own beds (remember Jill’s freak out at the dentist?). In a non gothard influenced life he would be the guy that would get “angry” after he spent $50 on a date, wasn’t offered sex and would sexually assault his date, then call HER a “whore” for not wanting to go out with him again. 

As he got older and less attractive and his potential female companions dried up he would be the guy that would troll for impoverished women from other countries because “women here are just too independent, a man cannot get a beautiful, youthful, childless woman with excellent domestic skills and a good heart who’s willing to wait on her husband hand and foot unless he’s young, nice and wealthy- it’s not FAIR!!” Ugh he makes me sick. 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are sooooo right!!!! Josh would TOTALLY be one of those!!! He would definitely be a male rights activist too. While I do think some extreme women diminish men, it's truly a small number, and there are so many angry men out there who whine about their rights being stripped away!!! Dude, the vast majority of women treat men fairly; just ignore that fringe group, and you'll be fine. So many of those whiner men DO say that western women are all corrupt. They're also the type to set up blind dates indiscriminately with any old skank they can find, and then whine that women won't offer to pay for the date. In reality, if they asked out only women they were serious about, that problem would go away completely. With them, there is no way to win. Have a feminist mother, or divorced parents, and you're out. Not be a virgin, and you're out. Have a career, and you're out. Be the perfect little housewife virgin, and you'll take him to the cleaners in divorce court one day BECAUSE you're not bringing in a paycheck. I guess girls like the duggars who are housewives but passively earn a breadwinning income are the only ones they'll accept. These guys only go for 10's when they are not attractive themselves, and become bitter when the 10's go for the nice men with something to offer, so they turn to desperate 10's from other countries. Hahaha btw, I knew a creepy guy who ordered a mail order bride, and she went back!!! Not even the security of becoming an American citizen could make her stay with his creepy ass!

and i mean, there is some truth to the fact that beautiful women choose men who have something to offer, but that's life! The very unattractive, not smart, unaccomplished woman usually realizes she will only be attractive to bottom of the barrel men, which she either accepts, or just stays single. A lot of women in the middle, who aren't extremely attractive or unattractive, work on their appearances to move up the ladder. Sure, you do occasionally meet a single woman who sadly is not gifted with any beauty, who insists on dating male perfect 10's, but most people tell her that's unrealistic, which she quickly learns after chasing a few. Comparatively, there are soooo many more men with little to offer who expect Cindy Crawford, and get irrationally angry when it doesn't happen for them.

I totally see that being Josh in an alternate universe! He would have grown up with the narrative that Daddy got to marry the hot cheerleader, and expected the same for himself. He might have dated the hot cheerleader in high school, but not been ready to settle down yet, and then found himself shocked at 40 that he can't get the hot Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. He would have totally been one of those "poor me...I'm a lawyer and I don't get to have a family...there women won't even be with a lawyer!" guys, ignoring the fact that he's a creep, and his law job isn't high paying either. My ex who was in law school was hoping for a 40k job when he got out, as most entry level jobs were 30k. Most people make around that income, including me when I was a teacher, so I'm not knocking it, but you'd expect more after going into massive debt to be a lawyer. I definitely can see Josh being a lawyer, making 40k, and bitching all day about how the 10's won't give him the time of day. 

Edited December 2, 2018 by Christina87

[Scarlett45]

@Christina87 YUP! You hit the nail on the head. Never mind that actual personality and comparability matter for most people choosing a spouse (and that “average” looking people with “average” incomes have happy relationships all the time) Josh would be the type that wouldn’t even be NICE to his model 10 date if she gave him the time of day. He would want her to think he was God’s gift to woman because he was a man and that was it.

In 2018 there are a lot of very attractive women that would consider a less than attractive man (even if he wasn’t rich) IF he was very compatible with them lifestyle/personality wise and had at least a decent job- because women know the very rich and good looking men have such big egos they can be hard to have a relationship with.

JB and Michelle have some vile beliefs, and handled the molestation all wrong, BUT JB always made it known that he was happy Michelle chose him. He’s never acted “entitled” to her even after all these years of marriage. Josh is just a creep IMO, creeps come in all flavors, he just got dipped in the fundy flavor. 

[Absolom]

Josh's "privacy" suit dismissed.

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/12/josh-duggar-privacy-lawsuit-dismissed-sex-molestation-scandal/

[SMama]

Darn, he’s going to have to get a job now. What happened to the sisters’ lawsuit?

[BitterApple]

He's probably weeping into a bucket of fried chicken as we speak.

[JoanArc]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

He's probably weeping into a bucket of fried chicken as we speak.

I like to picture him blubbery, sweaty, and thumbing through chicken-grease stained want ads.

[Christina87]

On 12/2/2018 at 5:52 PM, Scarlett45 said:

@Christina87 YUP! You hit the nail on the head. Never mind that actual personality and comparability matter for most people choosing a spouse (and that “average” looking people with “average” incomes have happy relationships all the time) Josh would be the type that wouldn’t even be NICE to his model 10 date if she gave him the time of day. He would want her to think he was God’s gift to woman because he was a man and that was it.

In 2018 there are a lot of very attractive women that would consider a less than attractive man (even if he wasn’t rich) IF he was very compatible with them lifestyle/personality wise and had at least a decent job- because women know the very rich and good looking men have such big egos they can be hard to have a relationship with.

JB and Michelle have some vile beliefs, and handled the molestation all wrong, BUT JB always made it known that he was happy Michelle chose him. He’s never acted “entitled” to her even after all these years of marriage. Josh is just a creep IMO, creeps come in all flavors, he just got dipped in the fundy flavor. 

YES to all of this!!! I like your point that Josh wouldn't even be nice to the 10's if they did go out with him. He would take them somewhere that they couldn't afford, get pissed off when they didn't offer to pay, and think the food entitled him to sex. He also seems like the type when / if he finally got married, who would expect his wife to be the perfect, always hot trophy wife. He'd be the family man when it suited him, like when he sent out Christmas cards of his perfect family, but would then swing by the strip club on the way home from mailing the cards at the post office. Oh wait. He's the fundie version of that now! I do think he considered himself and Anna the outwardly perfect fundie family through the first few kids, but now he looks miserable in every picture, like he was dragged into it against his will. 

[ginger90]

10 pictures 

 

 

[FizzyPuff]

40 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

10 pictures 

 

 

I hope someone is watching Josh there’s way to many little kids around. 

Also noticed that Kendras parents had their baby. 

Edited December 10, 2018 by Puffin

[SMama]

Who is cousin Emily? Who is the Roy Moore lookalike and woman with JD and Abbie?

[BitterApple]

I have to admit, the reindeer cake is pretty cute. 

[PikaScrewChu]

Every time this topic is bumped up, I wonder if Anna has announced she's expecting M6 yet.

So far, no. Also Sam does not look impressed @mynextmistake. ;)

[libgirl2]

49 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Every time this topic is bumped up, I wonder if Anna has announced she's expecting M6 yet.

So far, no. Also Sam does not look impressed @mynextmistake. ;)

Me too! 

[FairyDusted]

I'm a little surprised they would wear any non churchie holiday garb. References to SANTA and all. Derwood must have shit himself. Why did Jill post with just one of her boys? Did Izzy escape? 

[Albanyguy]

1 hour ago, FairyDusted said:

I'm a little surprised they would wear any non churchie holiday garb. References to SANTA and all. Derwood must have shit himself. Why did Jill post with just one of her boys? Did Izzy escape? 

Maybe that’s why Derick chose to skip the party. Look for an anti-Santa Instagram post within the next day or so. He wouldn’t dare attack his in-laws directly, but he might post a “St. Nick is evil and anti-Christian” message and hope everyone gets the inference.

[JoanArc]

54 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

Maybe that’s why Derick chose to skip the party. Look for an anti-Santa Instagram post within the next day or so. He wouldn’t dare attack his in-laws directly, but he might post a “St. Nick is evil and anti-Christian” message and hope everyone gets the inference.

I'll steal his thunder: Jesus wasn't even born on December 25th!

[HooHooHoo]

2 hours ago, JoanArc said:

I'll steal his thunder: Jesus wasn't even born on December 25th!

What???  Next thing I know you are going to tell me that Jesus didn’t have blonde hair and blue eyes. 

[farmgal4]

5 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

I'm a little surprised they would wear any non churchie holiday garb. References to SANTA and all. Derwood must have shit himself. Why did Jill post with just one of her boys? Did Izzy escape? 

I’m hoping that Izzy was staying at his grandma’s house vs. being punished for some trivial offense and made to stay home with Dickwad.  Dickwad is totally jackass enough to do something like that to the poor child.

[Tasya]

I don't see Jana, I wonder if she finally ran away. 

[dargosmydaddy]

18 minutes ago, Tasya said:

I don't see Jana, I wonder if she finally ran away. 

She's in Honduras with the rest of the horde...

[awaken]

11 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Every time this topic is bumped up, I wonder if Anna has announced she's expecting M6 yet.

So far, no. Also Sam does not look impressed @mynextmistake. ;)

Same here!  And for jessa’s topic too!

what’s #littlesuggars, Anna?

[Temperance]

18 hours ago, SMama said:

Who is cousin Emily? Who is the Roy Moore lookalike and woman with JD and Abbie?

So according to FJ, Emily is a granddaughter of one of Michelle's many sisters (not Tyler's grandmother). Her father is apparently Dwain Swanson's partner in his courageous men ministry.  Dwain is Josiah's father-in-law. 

[SMama]

Thank you. 🤗

[JoanArc]

15 hours ago, HooHooHoo said:

What???  Next thing I know you are going to tell me that Jesus didn’t have blonde hair and blue eyes. 

The Bible wasn't written in Middle English. I'm sure your mind is blown!

[EmeraldGirl]

Anna’s eyebrows have taken over the world. Maybe Josh saw a porn gal like that and liked it. 

Its funny how their kids look nothing like Josh. They’re cute, and I never cringe at their faces (just the stupid leggings). 

I have evangelical friends who won’t celebrate any Christian holidays because the dates are wrong (to the point of leaving town to get away from celebrating family). But they celebrate all the Jewish holidays. But they also wear shorts and drink wine. I just wish everyone would relax and live. 

[queenanne]

17 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Anna’s eyebrows have taken over the world. Maybe Josh saw a porn gal like that and liked it. 

Its funny how their kids look nothing like Josh. They’re cute, and I never cringe at their faces (just the stupid leggings). 

I have evangelical friends who won’t celebrate any Christian holidays because the dates are wrong (to the point of leaving town to get away from celebrating family). But they celebrate all the Jewish holidays. But they also wear shorts and drink wine. I just wish everyone would relax and live. 

Are you sure they don’t follow the Duggars/Gothard?  Just asking because as a kid I went to several Assemblies of God churches, and even they didn’t do that.

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, queenanne said:

Are you sure they don’t follow the Duggars/Gothard?  Just asking because as a kid I went to several Assemblies of God churches, and even they didn’t do that.

Maybe they're so-called "Messianic Jews." I know that in some places a lot of "Messianic Jews" are Jewish people converted to a kind of evangelical Christianity. But I know people in two "Messianic Jewish" congregations where virtually everybody started out as an evangelical Protestant and then declared themselves Messianic Jews after deciding that many Jewish traditions and Old Testament stuff represented a purer form of Protestantism than their previous Christian congregations and traditions had done. ....

In at least one of those congregations I don't think there's anybody at all who was ever actually Jewish. 

They do stuff like shun the Christian holiday dates and traditions -- in the name of being more rigorous Christians. lol 

Edited December 12, 2018 by Churchhoney

[queenanne]

3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Maybe they're so-called "Messianic Jews." I know that in some places a lot of "Messianic Jews" are Jewish people converted to a kind of evangelical Christianity. But I know people in two "Messianic Jewish" congregations where virtually everybody started out as an evangelical Protestant and then declared themselves Messianic Jews after deciding that many Jewish traditions and Old Testament stuff represented a purer form of Protestantism than their previous Christian congregations and traditions had done. ....

In at least one of those congregations I don't think there's anybody at all who was ever actually Jewish. 

They do stuff like shun the Christian holiday dates and traditions -- in the name of being more rigorous Christians. lol 

 

That’s... bizarre, lol.  I mean, I have heard of Jews for Jesus, but those I have heard of started Jewish and then decided they did think Jesus was the Messiah.  I don’t know what to make of these bassackward ones, as I always heard even as far back as elementary school with the Lutherans, that the entire principle is Christ as sacrificial lamb obviated the entire need to hew to the Pentateuch; and many churches would consider it apostasy basically spitting in the face of Christ and his sacrifice to go back to worrying about whether or not pork is evil/hewing to Kashrut (looking at you, Duggars).

Edited December 13, 2018 by queenanne

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, queenanne said:

That’s... bizarre, lol.  I mean, I have heard of Jews for Jesus, but those I have heard of started Jewish and then decided they did think Jesus was the Messiah.  I don’t know what to make of these bassackward ones, as I always heard even as far back as elementary school with the Lutherans, that the entire principle is Christ as sacrificial lamb obviated the entire need to hew to the Pentateuch; and many churches would consider it apostasy basically spitting in the face of Christ and his sacrifice to go back to worrying about whether or not pork is evil/hewing to Kashrut (looking at you, Duggars).

 

I don't know whether these folks I know sort of leaked into actual Jewish Messianic congregations and gradually became the majority or what although I'm pretty sure that in one case they juststarted their own. But it seems to have been via some attraction to a lot of Old Testament stuff .......

One guy I know also sort of "belongs" to my family church -- as his family did for generations -- and comes there  and talks about his new affiliation a lot....they kind of take it as an educational thing.......

And I've talked to him about the Messianic group he attends and have heard only of other members that I'm pretty sure don't have any Jewish heritage. The guy who founded that little congregation is definitely not Jewish by birth ....

I don't think that's the norm at all, and I'm not sure that the larger world community called Messianic Jews even consider these people part of their group.

The guy whose family has known my family forever has talked on and on to me about stuff, but most of it was so obscure that I really didn't get what he was saying. He is VERY enthusiastic about whatever it is, though. And he's QUITE heavily into Jesus. I do know that his group -- and I think may be generally true of groups going by this name -- believes in baptism and the Trinity but they have Shabbat on Friday night through Saturday rather than Sunday..........From what he said, there seemed to be a lot of tradition-type things like when the Sabbath is that went with Jewish tradition but then a lot of theology that went with Christian tradition. But I've actually understood so little of his complicated yammerings that i'm not really sure about that. His group at least goes to Israel a lot. 

This is what the Southern Baptist Messianic Fellowship (go figure) says -- https://www.sbmessianic.net/

Edited December 13, 2018 by Churchhoney

[queenanne]

12 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I don't know whether these folks I know sort of leaked into actual Jewish Messianic congregations and gradually became the majority or what although I'm pretty sure that in one case they juststarted their own. But it seems to have been via some attraction to a lot of Old Testament stuff .......

One guy I know also sort of "belongs" to my family church -- as his family did for generations -- and comes there  and talks about his new affiliation a lot....they kind of take it as an educational thing.......

And I've talked to him about the Messianic group he attends and have heard only of other members that I'm pretty sure don't have any Jewish heritage. The guy who founded that little congregation is definitely not Jewish by birth ....

I don't think that's the norm at all, and I'm not sure that the larger world community called Messianic Jews even consider these people part of their group.

The guy whose family has known my family forever has talked on and on to me about stuff, but most of it was so obscure that I really didn't get what he was saying. He is VERY enthusiastic about whatever it is, though. And he's QUITE heavily into Jesus. I do know that his group -- and I think may be generally true of groups going by this name -- believes in baptism and the Trinity but they have Shabbat on Friday night through Saturday rather than Sunday..........From what he said, there seemed to be a lot of tradition-type things like when the Sabbath is that went with Jewish tradition but then a lot of theology that went with Christian tradition. But I've actually understood so little of his complicated yammerings that i'm not really sure about that. His group at least goes to Israel a lot. 

This is what the Southern Baptist Messianic Fellowship (go figure) says -- https://www.sbmessianic.net/

That's so interesting, as I'd never heard of the "Southern Baptist Messianic Fellowship" flavor offshoot...  On one hand, of course "all religions started from somewhere".  On the other hand, there is such a line as "appalling and ill-advised legalism"; where you need to make religion complicated in order that *you* feel that something is really happening; instead of taking time to reflect in quiet silence on the nature of faith and God, etc...

[Aethera]

Let's get back to Josh & Anna, please, and take the religious discussion to that thread :) 

[Mindthinkr]

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/12/blind-item-10_13.html

Why does this not surprise me?  He should be banned from all activities where young girls are involved. He is sick in the head and in need of professional help. Of course his family will do nothing. It’s revolting.  

[Scarlett45]

36 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/12/blind-item-10_13.html

Why does this not surprise me?  He should be banned from all activities where young girls are involved. He is sick in the head and in need of professional help. Of course his family will do nothing. It’s revolting.  

I believe the blind item is likely to be true. Makes me ill. 

[BitterApple]

I pray to God this isn't true.

[GeeGolly]

That's kind of a sick blind item. Who ever writes these celebrity guess-o-scopes better have done something if they know this to be true, because it's sick to think they used a child being harmed for click bait.

[nightmeri]

If that blind item is true, having the cameras avoiding Josh at big events works in his favor. He can be his old “sly” self away from the camera’s eye. If the blind item is true, it makes me absolutely sick. You know his predatory nature has only evolved and escalated since he was 15. What he did to his victims then was traumatizing. He may be doing even worse now. Is it wrong that I wish I could meet him so I could kick him in the balls?

[jcbrown]

1 hour ago, nightmeri said:

 Is it wrong that I wish I could meet him so I could kick him in the balls?

Not even a little bit wrong. Is it wrong that I wish we could sell tickets to do so? And that we would give Anna a free ticket? (And Anna's ticket should also include an opportunity to kick Boob in the balls, since his patriarchal bullshit "religion" exacerbated the whole situation.)

Edited December 18, 2018 by jcbrown

[libgirl2]

Sickening but I can believe it. 

[LilJen]

I can only pray that an ethical mandated reporter catches him in the act. And that there's clear evidence to convict him. (If this is all true, which seems possible.)

[Lunera]

New blog post from the Wallers with more Thanksgiving pictures 

https://www.davidlovespriscilla.com/2018/11/30/november-happenings/

[Sew Sumi]

Rebekah's husband looks older than Pa Keller, who is 59. 

[lookeyloo]

Except that they have repulsive views and beliefs, TFDW knows how to post pictures with endearing captions.   And poor Priscilla doesn't sound like she gained any brain cells.

[GleamingMist]

What is up with Anna's face lately?  It looks so off.  Puffy?  Different makeup?  Maybe it's just me?

[BitterApple]

Is that Rebekah's house in the background?! Damn, she hit the jackpot. I wonder what her sugar daddy husband does for work?

[Sew Sumi]

I dunno, but I bet he's retired now. Remember, he owns a plane. Grandpa got companionship and arm candy, Rebekah got financial security. People have married for less.