"The View": Week Of 1/14/2019

[MMEButterfly]

2 hours ago, rollacoaster said:

Oh, do journalists accuse ALL women of screeching and hysteria, Meh-Gun? Do they? Somebody kinda sensitive about that. 

I really appreciate that the other women are working hard to keep Meh-Gun focused on the topics at hand.

I believe the word "screeching" pushed her special button. 

[NotinKansasanymore]

48 minutes ago, CheezyXpressed said:

And this is the reason why I don't think she should step down. Her track record is a good one and she helped organize the event. Is it a distraction, sure, but only for those who want the movement to end.

I respectfully disagree. I find it a distraction, but I do not want the movement to end, I just believe that she should step down. Right before she posted that picture with Farrakhan, she attended his sermon, where he preached, "The powerful jews are my enemy."  and "God pulled the cover off of that Satanic Jew and I'm here to say your time is up, your world is through." At that same sermon, he also said, " "how the Jews were responsible for all of this filth and degenerate behavior that Hollywood is putting out turning men into women and women into men.” After saying these words, after his sermon she took a picture and said he was GOAT. The greatest of all time.

I understand the position that he has done a lot for the black community and her own family, but to post to social media, that this man is the greatest of all time, when he just delivered a sermon full of hate like that, there seems to be a disconnect there, and I think it is a valid feeling for people of Jewish faith and/or the LGBT community to question her own beliefs, and ask for a clear concise statement on exactly which views she does and does not support.

Not to mention, this man in one of his most famous sermons in March of 1984 called Adolf Hitler a good man. This same man, has also wished death upon homosexuals, and attacked Obama for his stance on "gay marriage."

Having just listened to the interview with Don Lemmon last week, on homophobia, and the responsibility and the message that celebrities and people with a platform have, I believe she should step down.

14 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Does anyone know what political party the giant potato belongs to?  Asking for a friend.

It is likely that Mrs. Potato Head is from Idaho, and so she is republican. But wait, I'm sorry, I am painting a broad brush over all Idaho potatoes. :)

[HaaCHOO]

1 hour ago, Coffeewinewater said:

I loved Joy saying she's her father's daughter 😆. 

And she said his name, "DINO'S!"    I may know that because I love my closed-captioning.

48 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said:

Meghan you stupid twat.  Toxic masculinity is not wanting to be a fighter pilot.

Obviously you DO need a "shaving company" to tell you that!

26 minutes ago, MMEButterfly said:

I believe the word "screeching" pushed her special button. 

That is one UNAWARE screeching bundle of toxic....toxic...toxic something.   ("Waste" comes to mind.)

[debbie311]

WHAT was Whoopi wearing?  It looked like an old paint shirt.  Maybe she was painting her dressing room just before the show?

Meagan has a major chip on her shoulder.  She's angry 99% of the time on the show.  I hope for her sake she is getting some help, she seems like a miserable person who is never happy.

And I was disappointed that they didn't talk about the Clemson players at the WH.  They could have left out the sorority story, it really didn't seem that important (at least to me).

[Coffeewinewater]

9 minutes ago, HaaCHOO said:

And she said his name, "DINO'S!"    I may know that because I love my closed-captioning.

I knew she said his name but missed it.  It really did make me laugh. 😂 I'm so embarrassed for Meghan how can she look back on that and not cringe.

"I'm John McCain daughter and can't stand racism!" What the actual fuck? Lol. 

Most of the laughs I get are from you all. But Meghan "the fucken potato" slamming her had and saying that has me still giggling. 

[jumper sage]

Don't care about Greek life and zoned out on the whole topic.  I think Greek houses perpetuate and highlight the separation of groups.

Toxic masculinity - OMG!  How anyone could take a message of "Do the right thing" and make it anti-male is just stupid.  Did I hear right that MM said that she and Sunny like "bad boys"?  My partner is a tatted up biker and is the most empathetic, well-mannered person I know.  I am shocked that I am putting both MM and Sunny in the same category on this topic.  Sunny has let me down but it is par for the course of her and her relationship, as she tells it, with her husband.

Loved when MM said the audience was booing her.  Maybe she heard us all through our TVs.

Edited January 15, 2019 by jumper sage

[athousandclowns]

I have so much in common with Joy! I too had ( about same time) ectopic pregnancy was hemoraging and surgeon was denied the ability to sterilize me for the same reason. I had at that time had 5 pregnancies with 2 living children and had RH - blood.  Cracker Jack OBGYN  removed burst tube on one side and “cystic” ovary on other. Think I was 31-32 

[blondiec0332]

7 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

Toxic masculinity - OMG!  How anyone could take a message of "Do the right thing" and make it anti-male is just stupid.  Did I hear right that MM said that she and Sunny like "bad boys"?  My partner is a tatted up biker and is the most empathetic, well-mannered person I know.  I am shocked that I am putting both MM and Sunny in the same category on this topic.  Sunny has let me down but it is par for the course of her and her relationship, as she tells it, with her husband.

Sunny's husband is a doctor.  Not really sure he is a bad boy. And as far as Meghan's husband goes, I all I can say about him is he is just bad.

[geekburger]

Seeing Abby lose it at Joy mocking MMs dramatic speech was worth the show today alone.

[CheezyXpressed]

1 hour ago, NotinKansasanymore said:

I respectfully disagree. I find it a distraction, but I do not want the movement to end, I just believe that she should step down. Right before she posted that picture with Farrakhan, she attended his sermon, where he preached, "The powerful jews are my enemy."  and "God pulled the cover off of that Satanic Jew and I'm here to say your time is up, your world is through." At that same sermon, he also said, " "how the Jews were responsible for all of this filth and degenerate behavior that Hollywood is putting out turning men into women and women into men.” After saying these words, after his sermon she took a picture and said he was GOAT. The greatest of all time.

I understand the position that he has done a lot for the black community and her own family, but to post to social media, that this man is the greatest of all time, when he just delivered a sermon full of hate like that, there seems to be a disconnect there, and I think it is a valid feeling for people of Jewish faith and/or the LGBT community to question her own beliefs, and ask for a clear concise statement on exactly which views she does and does not support.

Not to mention, this man in one of his most famous sermons in March of 1984 called Adolf Hitler a good man. This same man, has also wished death upon homosexuals, and attacked Obama for his stance on "gay marriage."

Having just listened to the interview with Don Lemmon last week, on homophobia, and the responsibility and the message that celebrities and people with a platform have, I believe she should step down.

I agree that what he said wasn't right and that it was a misstep for her to post that insta message. But does his words negate all of the good that she has done? That is what I'm having trouble dealing with. She has said that she doesn't agree with his views, apologized and said that she is an advocate to ending hate for all groups, she also explained the context of the instagram message. It's similar to Linda Sarsour, who has been blasted for being anti-Semitic for supporting the BDS movement even though she's Palestinian.

If she steps down for this, then whatever, but this won't be the end of people finding stuff on the founders of the Women's March on things that they didn't do in order to tear down the movement.

ps. I've been enjoying our discussion and the discussions on the forum. I'm part of another one and whenever you post something that goes against the grain you just get attacked without any discussion taking place.

Edited January 15, 2019 by CheezyXpressed

[WonderWuman73]

Today’s show was giving me anxiety. I was too busy rolling my eyes and talking back to my tv. Im kinda hoping the second taping I’m attending tomorrow is toned down.  I will do a full report when I get back  on tomorrow’s show if anything happens. 

Edited January 15, 2019 by WonderWuman73

[Tosia]

22 minutes ago, athousandclowns said:

I have so much in common with Joy! I too had ( about same time) ectopic pregnancy was hemoraging and surgeon was denied the ability to sterilize me for the same reason. I had at that time had 5 pregnancies with 2 living children and had RH - blood.  Cracker Jack OBGYN  removed burst tube on one side and “cystic” ovary on other. Think I was 31-32 

I had an ectopic pregnancy and hemorrhaging so had emergency surgery the same day i went to the dr, cuz i hadnt been feeling well for a few weeks.

I didn't know i was pregnant, cuz i was 43 and had been spotting, but thought it might have been early / /perimenopause.

I was 7 weeks along. After, The surgeon said i had about a 10-15% chance to become pregnant again.  Didn't happen.  

 I had one child , but would have liked more. I did foster care after.  Makes me feel more akin to Joy to know about her tubal pregnancy.

MM was a fool to being up her dad's name so close to MLK Day, or any time, for not knowing his voting record.  She truly is beyond hope. 

With her actions today,  MM is becoming a bigger joke.

She can be the meme/gif/ poster child for entitled, stupid children of anyone with a modicum of celebrity/ name recognition. 

[tinkerbell]

someone criticized SUnny on twitter about not knowing the "sweet Caroline"  song.

I like Sunny's response: 

 

Seems she's frustrated at being interrupted.  

Edited January 15, 2019 by tinkerbell

[OnTime]

34 minutes ago, Coffeewinewater said:

And I was disappointed that they didn't talk about the Clemson players at the WH.  They could have left out the sorority story, it really didn't seem that important (at least to me).

Oh, I so agree!! Very disappointed.

I also don't know why Sunny had to wear the shirt with the year the sorority was founded.  They say they decide on the topics in their "morning meeting", so she sure got that shirt fast enough to wear on the air! It really was a waste of time.

[Grundoon59]

Longtime lurker, first time poster (in this forum).  I agree with most of the comments here but did appreciate one sweet moment today - Whoopi's tribute to Carol Channing.  I saw her on stage in the 1970s, grew up on her cast albums and was lucky enough to be in a small theater audience with her in London in the early 80s.  She came in just as the curtain went up on an intermissionless show so she didn't cause a distraction but was gracious to all of us as we exited. While we showered her with compliments, she praised the show and performers (deservedly).  A class act and we need more of them these days. I was glad Whoopi recognized her.

[Picture It. Sicily]

3 minutes ago, Grundoon59 said:

Longtime lurker, first time poster (in this forum).  I agree with most of the comments here but did appreciate one sweet moment today - Whoopi's tribute to Carol Channing.  I saw her on stage in the 1970s, grew up on her cast albums and was lucky enough to be in a small theater audience with her in London in the early 80s.  She came in just as the curtain went up on an intermissionless show so she didn't cause a distraction but was gracious to all of us as we exited. While we showered her with compliments, she praised the show and performers (deservedly).  A class act and we need more of them these days. I was glad Whoopi recognized her.

What an awesome memory to have! I just knew she was as awesome in person as she was in interviews (and on stage of course!)

Edited January 15, 2019 by Picture It. Sicily

[Haleth]

3 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Meghan talks over Joy who is describing her ectopic pregnancy.  She won't shut up.  Then she says, "I've never been pregnant.  I don't know anything about it."  THEN SHUT UP!  JUST SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

Shoot, that must have been when I left the room for a bit. Wish I had heard the conversation since my daughter had an ectopic pregnancy (first pgcy) just before Thanksgiving. Thank to you all who shared your own experience. 

Neither Meghan or Sunny understood the message of that ad or what toxic masculinity means. Funny that it was Whoopi of all people to get it. 

[choclatechip45]

Chelsea Janes the reporter they were talking about just switched to covering politics (within the last month) she use to be the Washington Post beat reporter for Nationals.  I think it was a poor mistake hopefully she learns from it since she is a good reporter.

[blondiec0332]

14 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Neither Meghan or Sunny understood the message of that ad or what toxic masculinity means. Funny that it was Whoopi of all people to get it. 

Sunny starting talking about her husband telling their son it's OK to cry and I'm like WTF is she talking about.  And then Meghan with her likening toxic masculinity to men liking guns and blah blah blah.  

Toxic masculinity is not that hard to understand and yet those two women didn't understand it. I guess that commercial really is needed.

[Vixenstud]

2 hours ago, njbchlover said:

LOL!!  Reminds me of the SNL days of Weekend Updates with Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtin - "Jane, you ignorant slut".....cracked me up every time!!  

You mean this?

[falltime]

53 minutes ago, OnTime said:

I also don't know why Sunny had to wear the shirt with the year the sorority was founded.  They say they decide on the topics in their "morning meeting", so she sure got that shirt fast enough to wear on the air! It really was a waste of time.

today is the anniversary. the sorority was founded on january 15, 1908

[debbie311]

I have to say I was surprised that Sunny had never heard of Sweet Caroline when she got to college.  Really?  It's such an iconic song.

[RedheadZombie]

4 hours ago, Poohbear617 said:

Ok. Looked up qualifications for political analyst...it said minimum of bachelor degree in political science along with study of history, foreign affairs,  international relations and 2-8 yes experience. It also says work with statistical analysis for reporting on collected data polls and election results.   Meghan..I'm sorry but being John McCain's daughter does not qualify or exempt you from any of that hard work. SO PLEASE stop blurting out your delusions and equating yourself and thinking yourself as an equal to those who work their ass off to come by this title legitimately. 

 

Oh and quit being the screeching hysterical stereotype you claim to be so upset by. 

And just because "all the men" in your family are/were in the military, does not mean you were.  Her comment about the men in her family being military, followed by "we shoot guns", implies she's both a man, and served in the military.  She's so weird when she assumes skills/experience/service that others in her family actually performed.  You didn't sacrifice Meghan - they did.  

[Aileen]

1 hour ago, tinkerbell said:

someone criticized SUnny on twitter about not knowing the "sweet Caroline"  song.

I like Sunny's response: 

 

Seems she's frustrated at being interrupted.  

Side note: On what planet do people say "whoa whoa whoa" during that song?? In my area, it's always been more like "bah bah bah."

[GiveMeSpace]

24 minutes ago, debbie311 said:

I have to say I was surprised that Sunny had never heard of Sweet Caroline when she got to college.  Really?  It's such an iconic song.

People of color are very likely not listening to the same stations as white people are.  That is her point. To think that everyone in America would or should know Sweet Caroline is an example of ethnocentricity.  This is not aimed at you, Debbie-I am just saying that this is the point that Sunny was trying to make.

Edited January 15, 2019 by GiveMeSpace
to clarify

[ABitOFluff]

6 minutes ago, Aileen said:

Side note: On what planet do people say "whoa whoa whoa" during that song?? In my area, it's always been more like "bah bah bah."

I thought Sunny probably just heard wrong, but she's closer to yours--or "bum bum,bum", which is what I've always heard--like the singers are mimicking the instrumentation. 

Never heard "whoa whoa whoa", and I've heard that song by a crowd, many, many times. 

[Medicine Crow]

58 minutes ago, Vixenstud said:

You mean this?

 

OMG ... I love it!!!

[After7Only]

1 hour ago, debbie311 said:

I have to say I was surprised that Sunny had never heard of Sweet Caroline when she got to college.  Really?  It's such an iconic song.

I'm about 5-6 years younger than Sunny, and attended a 93% white large public University.  And while I had heard the song before, I didn't know if was a "thing" until I was well within my 30s at a 90s concert.  The crowd started singing the first verse, and I had no clue what the song was until they got to the "Sweet Caroline....bah bah bahhhhh...." part.     So I'm totally feeling Sunny on that one.   

Today is Founder's Day for Sunny's sorority, which is why she wore the shirt.  Historically Black sororities are different in that participation lasts even after college.  There are very active Alumnae chapters in most cities and many members choose to join at the Alumnae level rather than college.    As for the reporter, she really should have just asked one of the "screeching" women what the noise meant, rather than refer to it as as such.   

MM saying "I thought we were over race in the 60s" was one of her most ignorant statements I've heard from her yet.   She condemns Steve King now, but he's said just as horrible things in the past, and didn't condemn him then.  On a different topic after that Abby said something along the lines of those who are most negative need to make the change most.  Which immediately made me think of MM getting loud and offended saying Sunny called her/republicans racists (when she did not).  She is very uncomfortable with the topic of racism.  She either tries to change the topic, or immediately makes it about her (I know she does this one on every topic, but she seems to get a take things a little to personal here)

Edited January 15, 2019 by After7Only

[Vixenstud]

Pish, I grew up in the rough Raymond Rosen Projects in North Philadelphia (25th and Diamond!) and I not only knew Sweet Caroline but all the other songs of the 70's....of course I was also known as the whitest black girl in my elementary school, but I digress.

I'll see myself out.

[ChiCricket]

6 hours ago, Alexis2291 said:

"I don't like virtue signaling by corporations in general. All the men in my family are in the military, we shoot guns," blah, blah, BLAH.

Meghan really needs to educate herself. Also, she doesn't understand what toxic masculinity is. That is all.

 

I posted this in another forum, but I think the comments after this video are very indicative that many, many people don't "get" it, or want to. 

https://youtu.be/koPmuEyP3a0

Ps this has been upvoted 140K times and downvoted 442K times.

Edited January 15, 2019 by ChiCricket

[MMEButterfly]

3 hours ago, jumper sage said:

Don't care about Greek life and zoned out on the whole topic.  I think Greek houses perpetuate and highlight the separation of groups.

Toxic masculinity - OMG!  How anyone could take a message of "Do the right thing" and make it anti-male is just stupid.  Did I hear right that MM said that she and Sunny like "bad boys"?  My partner is a tatted up biker and is the most empathetic, well-mannered person I know.  I am shocked that I am putting both MM and Sunny in the same category on this topic.  Sunny has let me down but it is par for the course of her and her relationship, as she tells it, with her husband.

Loved when MM said the audience was booing her.  Maybe she heard us all through our TVs.

I thought of that and got a little thrill of power. 

[AdeleDazeem]

3 hours ago, NotinKansasanymore said:

I respectfully disagree. I find it a distraction, but I do not want the movement to end, I just believe that she should step down. Right before she posted that picture with Farrakhan, she attended his sermon, where he preached, "The powerful jews are my enemy."  and "God pulled the cover off of that Satanic Jew and I'm here to say your time is up, your world is through." At that same sermon, he also said, " "how the Jews were responsible for all of this filth and degenerate behavior that Hollywood is putting out turning men into women and women into men.” After saying these words, after his sermon she took a picture and said he was GOAT. The greatest of all time.

I understand the position that he has done a lot for the black community and her own family, but to post to social media, that this man is the greatest of all time, when he just delivered a sermon full of hate like that, there seems to be a disconnect there, and I think it is a valid feeling for people of Jewish faith and/or the LGBT community to question her own beliefs, and ask for a clear concise statement on exactly which views she does and does not support.

Not to mention, this man in one of his most famous sermons in March of 1984 called Adolf Hitler a good man. This same man, has also wished death upon homosexuals, and attacked Obama for his stance on "gay marriage."

Having just listened to the interview with Don Lemmon last week, on homophobia, and the responsibility and the message that celebrities and people with a platform have, I believe she should step down.

It is likely that Mrs. Potato Head is from Idaho, and so she is republican. But wait, I'm sorry, I am painting a broad brush over all Idaho potatoes. :)

1000x yes. 

And, I want the movement to grow 1 million-fold.

[tinkerbell]

I had to go back over it to understand WTF Meghan got so upset about.  

Sunny says the WALL is a dog whistle, not wanting black or brown people in the country.

Abby says 42% of  the country supports the wall - are 42% of Americans racist?

Sunny says it's a good question, Abby says, "I'm asking you?"  Sunny asks "is Donald rump racist?" 

Then Meghan launches into a lecture about identity politics  and not painting people with a broad brush.   Meghan keeps going, on the assumption that someone had SAID 42% of Americans support the wall and are therefore racist.  Joy tries to talk, Meghan isn't letting her be heard. 

WHoopi shuts it down, says everyone is talking at once. 

Joy says "can I make my point?"  WHoopi says - make your point.

Joy  starts to talk, about not focusing on Steve King, but on racism, Meghan cuts her off.  Abby asks if she can make a point, Joy says "I'm not done",  Meghan says, "well you did call  42% of the country, the implication is that they are racist,, republicans in general, which obviously is something that makes Abby and I uncomfortable.   (NO!  JOY DIDN"T SAY THAT!)  

Joy has to yell her point, which is that repubs need to check the platform, not the person.  

THAT is what prompted Meghan to yell "I am JOHN MCCAIN"S DAUGHTER! I am not someone who sits here and is OK with racism!!!"   

Meghan takes the simple statement that building a wall to keep Mexicans out has racist implications, and does a classic "straw man argument."  She draws a false conclusion about what "the other side"  is saying, and refutes that instead of refuting what they actually said.   

To illustrate her faulty logic (because I really don't feel like doing my work): 

You  say the wall is racist, therefore anyone supporting the wall is racist, therefore all republicans are racist, therefore I am racist.  I'm a republican, I'm not racist, therefore you are wrong, and the wall is not racist!   

she needs to go back to college and take a class in logic.

Edited January 15, 2019 by tinkerbell

[ChiCricket]

4 hours ago, AdeleDazeem said:

RE: MM shouting whose daughter she is during the wall-racist segment.

Read the last paragraph, if nothing else.

http://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/the-view-erupts-in-chaos-as-table-pounding-meghan-mccain-rages-about-trump-supporters-being-called-racist/

“I am John McCain’s daughter,” McCain yelled, bristling with rage. “I am not someone who sits here and is okay with racism.”

McCain’s father voted against establishing Martin Luther King Day as a federal holiday and also voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1990."   O_o

[JakeyJokes]

It was annoying because I think Abby and Sunny were trying to have a real (though difficult) conversation. Abby wasn't being petulant when she asked if 42% of people who want a wall are racist, and Sunny wasn't evasive when she said "that's a good question; I don't know." But then we got three minutes of JOHN McCAIN'S DAUGHTER yelling again.

[Cementhead]

tinkerbell, you have the patience of a saint, my friend!  To put yourself through the torture of watching that again. 

[Vanderboom]

11 minutes ago, JakeyJokes said:

It was annoying because I think Abby and Sunny were trying to have a real (though difficult) conversation. Abby wasn't being petulant when she asked if 42% of people who want a wall are racist, and Sunny wasn't evasive when she said "that's a good question; I don't know." But then we got three minutes of JOHN McCAIN'S DAUGHTER yelling again.

That's the most maddening part of The View these days. It could be a place for insightful conversations, but instead it devolves into tantrums, logical fallacies, and contempt.

[AdeleDazeem]

4 hours ago, blondiec0332 said:

 

One of the reasons the Women's March was founded was because of the attack on reproductive rights.  Why on earth would they welcome an organization that seeks to continue to undermine women's reproductive rights?  Meghan should have and probably did know that but she just wanted to be antagonistic and trot out her go to stance of nobody likes me because I'm a conservative.

I don't know. I think people give her too much credit. I really do think she's dumb as a post. 

[rollacoaster]

26 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

“I am John McCain’s daughter,” McCain yelled, bristling with rage. “I am not someone who sits here and is okay with racism.”

McCain’s father voted against establishing Martin Luther King Day as a federal holiday and also voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1990." 

Can somebody tweet this to Meh-Gun?

[tinkerbell]

Meghan  lives in her own little world.  

The question was about diversity in journalism, and a reporter covering a black sorority and making a comment out of ignorance.   

Immediately, Meghan wanted to talk about gun owners?!?!?!   when journalists cover stories about guns, they should get someone who knows about guns.

GUN OWNERS are a protected minority group now? poor misunderstood gun owners!!

 

no surprise that she hated the Gillette ad.  She did the same straw man argument as above -  as if the ad was AGAINST masculine men who join the military, me who are tough.   NO, the ad was about men standing up and telling other men not to treat women poorly. she put some other message into it, and argued with what she imagined the ad was saying.  

I am certain that if Meghan was allowed to keep going, she would say that the ad was against gun ownership, against heterosexual men, and is liberal propaganda. 

Oh, and no surprise, but there is a conservative backlash against Gillette, saying the commercial is "feminizing"  men. 

[MMEButterfly]

40 minutes ago, JakeyJokes said:

It was annoying because I think Abby and Sunny were trying to have a real (though difficult) conversation. Abby wasn't being petulant when she asked if 42% of people who want a wall are racist, and Sunny wasn't evasive when she said "that's a good question; I don't know." But then we got three minutes of JOHN McCAIN'S DAUGHTER yelling again.

I was really, really interested in the Abby/Sunny discussion on the nature of the Trump Republicans. 

[ChiCricket]

4 hours ago, debbie311 said:

WHAT was Whoopi wearing?  It looked like an old paint shirt.  Maybe she was painting her dressing room just before the show?

 I also wonder just how many of those white blouses she has..she wears them under other things a lot.

[Cementhead]

Is she wearing one of her bras from The Whoopi Goldberg Collection under there?  If so, no thank you!  :0

[atlantaloves]

Guys Guys Guys...did you all know that Abbey's father is a big wig ambassador in Russia?  She said so today. I was very impressed. She said it within the first 4 minutes of the show.....Yeah, I broke down and watched a little bit of it today HELP. 

[bannana]

57 minutes ago, tinkerbell said:

I had to go back over it to understand WTF Meghan got so upset about.  

Sunny says the WALL is a dog whistle, not wanting black or brown people in the country.

Abby says 42% of  the country supports the wall - are 42% of Americans racist?

Sunny says it's a good question, Abby says, "I'm asking you?"  Sunny asks "is Donald rump racist?" 

Then Meghan launches into a lecture about identity politics  and not painting people with a broad brush.   Meghan keeps going, on the assumption that someone had SAID 42% of Americans support the wall and are therefore racist.  Joy tries to talk, Meghan isn't letting her be heard. 

WHoopi shuts it down, says everyone is talking at once. 

Joy says "can I make my point?"  WHoopi says - make your point.

Joy  starts to talk, about not focusing on Steve King, but on racism, Meghan cuts her off.  Abby asks if she can make a point, Joy says "I'm not done",  Meghan says, "well you did call  42% of the country, the implication is that they are racist,, republicans in general, which obviously is something that makes Abby and I uncomfortable.   (NO!  JOY DIDN"T SAY THAT!)  

Joy has to yell her point, which is that repubs need to check the platform, not the person.  

THAT is what prompted Meghan to yell "I am JOHN MCCAIN"S DAUGHTER! I am not someone who sits here and is OK with racism!!!"   

Meghan takes the simple statement that building a wall to keep Mexicans out has racist implications, and does a classic "straw man argument."  She draws a false conclusion about what "the other side"  is saying, and refutes that instead of refuting what they actually said.   

To illustrate her faulty logic (because I really don't feel like doing my work): 

You  say the wall is racist, therefore anyone supporting the wall is racist, therefore all republicans are racist, therefore I am racist.  I'm a republican, I'm not racist, therefore you are wrong, and the wall is not racist!   

she needs to go back to college and take a class in logic.

Brava @tinkerbell, Brava!!!  This whole discussion was ridiculous and you just laid out why.  I was trying to figure out how it went from where it started to NutMeg screeching that Joy called her and Abby racists!

Of note, in the midst of her screeching, NutMeg actually said she does not support the wall.

I never got why she was so angry right from the beginning, shouting about Steve King and then wanting Show to rise above it, speak no more of it and elevate the conversation to somewhere else where he political analysis can be front and centre.  Why does she keep harping that they shouldn't talk about certain things when obviously they agreed to talk about them in their so often referenced hot topics meeting?

[Bronzedog]

Hi, everyone!  Gene's daughter here!  Whoopie, when you're done wearing my shower curtain, could you send it back, please?  Thanks!

[merriebreeze]

This deification of John McCain has got to stop. Move on, Meghan. And get some manners. Treat people respectfully.

[bannana]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-view-goes-off-the-rails-on-racist-republicans-im-john-mccains-daughter/?via=twitter_page

[JAYJAY1979]

14 hours ago, Coffeewinewater said:

What the hell was she talking about? Seriously,  she went on and on about guns and the man stopping the shooter. She doesn't understand  Toxic Masculinity? Of course Whoopi had to then soothe the big baby and reassure her she wasn't being booed.  

And yes Meghan you should be reminded everyday not to be a jerk.

 

As a gay guy, no issues with the commercial...can we have one on toxic femininity?  Meghan would be the perfect spokesperson/ example to use..plenty of clips :)

In regards to the Male birth control studies...if u frame it that it would help prevent a girl from getting knocked up..they'll be motivated lol. I cant tell upi how many girls I know that stop taking the pill, or take it wrong, etc. without mentioning it to a guy.  Frame it like that, guys will step on up to take it....side effects are better than an unwanted child.

Edited January 16, 2019 by JAYJAY1979

[tinkerbell]

33 minutes ago, bannana said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-view-goes-off-the-rails-on-racist-republicans-im-john-mccains-daughter/?via=twitter_page

Well, gee, if I had known the Daily Beast was going to transcribe the exact same segment I did, I wouldn't have bothered! 

(or did they copy and past mine?)    Anyway, it's good to see we are not the only ones who see the same thing.