Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[sleepysuzy]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

No, only for extremely premature babies and certain congenital birth defects.  Virtually all hospitals provide ‘rating’ for people without insurance, though. They take a look at income and assets and give discounted or free care based on that.  Derick and Jill don’t own a home and their TLC income stream ended before Samuel’s birth. They may well have gotten all thei hospital care for free.

if you’re not insured and end up in the hospital, ask to see a social worker or go down to the business office and ask. Them that don’t ask, don’t get.

All four of my kids were full term NICU babies. The two who were discharged healthy after a week did not get any additional assistance,  but the two who stayed longer - four weeks and two weeks - and had long term medical needs like feeding tubes and oxygen, both qualified for Medicaid.  If Sam came home with am apnea monitor and oxygen for night, as some pictures have indicated,  then he might have qualified.

I hope Joy, like most of the young and unprepared mothers I have known, has an uneventful birth and healthy baby. NICU stays are brutal, even for an older mom like me. By the time my 4th was born, I figured the NICU was a foregone conclusion considering our history,  but it still sucked. I often felt like my experiences scared other expectant mom' around me, too. I wonder if Jill's birth stories and possible health problems for her youngest have made Joy and Kendra more fearful of giving birth.

[GeeGolly]

I was in my early to mid 20s when I had my kids. They were all delivered by the same obstetrician. I felt great comfort in knowing that when push came to shove (lol) the person helping to bring by kids into the world had good understanding of my body and my baby(s). I can't imagine planning on having no plan at all. I get that emergencies happen, but what the Duggars do is crazy to me. 

A vanity sonogram is not prenatal care.

[Fostersmom]

8 hours ago, HELPME said:

Austin scares me.  I don't know exactly why.  He has shifty eyes, as my grandmother would say.

I agree, he's got cruel eyes. Cold and I could see him being abusive. 

[Christina87]

16 hours ago, PoshSprinkles said:

That only applies for babies that are there long-term (30 days+, like Josie Duggar). Full-term NICU babies like Sam usually don't stay long, thus they don't qualify for automatic or secondary medicaid (if you have insurance) unless they have special needs. There are other programs available on a state-by-state basis to help defray NICU costs, but I have no idea what programs Arkansas has. 

I wonder if Cathy paid it. She is quite the enabler!

[Jenilane6]

Remembering when my second child had to stay under the bilirubin lights for 3 extra days.  Insurance said I could go home with my c-section self, but I chose to stay and pay for my room and board.  I think it was $16,000.  And we paid it over a years time.  I should have reneged and bought a car which I didn't have at the time.

[Angeltoes]

I will never forget Austin talking about how he had never given Joy a second thought before they dated until one day he woke up and felt someone was saying to him,"How about Joy?"  He basically shrugged and said,"Okay."  Romantic bastard.   All I could think was,"Oh, Joy, pick another and don't look back."

[Heathen]

30 minutes ago, Angeltoes said:

I will never forget Austin talking about how he had never given Joy a second thought before they dated until one day he woke up and felt someone was saying to him,"How about Joy?"  He basically shrugged and said,"Okay."  Romantic bastard.   All I could think was,"Oh, Joy, pick another and don't look back."

Is "someone" code for his dick? 

[riverblue22]

49 minutes ago, Jenilane6 said:

Remembering when my second child had to stay under the bilirubin lights for 3 extra days.  Insurance said I could go home with my c-section self, but I chose to stay and pay for my room and board.  I think it was $16,000.  And we paid it over a years time.  I should have reneged and bought a car which I didn't have at the time.

I wish they had kept my daughter three extra days under the bilirubin lights.  They sent us home in two days and it was up to me to try to get her in the sunlight (in December).  She wouldn't eat, I had to take her to the hospital every other day, and it was a tough time for a first-time mom.

[Mollie]

1 hour ago, Angeltoes said:

I will never forget Austin talking about how he had never given Joy a second thought before they dated until one day he woke up and felt someone was saying to him,"How about Joy?"  He basically shrugged and said,"Okay."  Romantic bastard.   All I could think was,"Oh, Joy, pick another and don't look back."

Unfortunately, I have the impression that Joy felt exactly the same way about Austin.

[Heathen]

1 minute ago, Mollie said:

Unfortunately, I have the impression that Joy felt exactly the same way about Austin.

They're just meh about each other and they'll probably* be just meh about their shit ton of kids. I feel sorry for all of their future children. Joy might actually make Mullet or Jilly look good, and that's just frightening. 

*I say probably because a lot of people thought Jilly would be the Great Earth Mother and Jessa would be like Mullet, and it kind of turned out the opposite way. Joy might prove me wrong -- I hope she does. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

 

A vanity sonogram is not prenatal care.

Neither is Jilly Muffin and her bag of medical things.

Toilet Doulas are not obstetricians. 

Jilly Muffin is not a midwife.

[Curly Sue]

21 hours ago, Absolom said:

This is a story that goes around a lot.  It's only the babies who meet the disability standards who qualify.

This. My son was born 6 weeks early (his body measured 10 weeks early thanks to IUGR and pre-eclampsia) in November and missed the weight cutoff (2lb 10 oz) by 1 lb exactly. Believe me, "everyone gets a free ride in the NICU" is a total crock. Company that staffs the neonatologists for our hospital was out of network so we had to eat the entire cost of his stay. 

[bigskygirl]

14 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Many hospitals do forgive bills, the first time. Most won't hesitate to send the bills to collection for frequent flyers though.

I do not think any hospitals now a day would forgive bills the first time. I have heard hospitals going after people for $50.00 still owed on the bill. Maybe JB went in and settled the bills for his kids for pennies on the dollar.

Edited February 5, 2018 by bigskygirl

[88Keys]

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I do not think any hospitals now a day would forgive bills the first time. I have heard hospitals going after people for $50.00 still owed on the bill. Maybe JB went in and settled the bills for his kids for pennies on the dollar.

Most hospitals have financial aid you can apply for.  My husband and I had twins who were in the NICU for a month.  Eventually, after making it through the application and approval, they wrote off 90% of our bill.  And we actually have an income and insurance and stuff like that.  

[bigskygirl]

My husband and I have applied for assistance with hospital bills and hospital doctor clinic bills, and we have gotten approved. I hate applying for it, but I needed blood tests, appointments, sleep study test, and other medical tests/procedures done in order to find out what the heck was going on. My husband does have employer insurance, but his deductibles keep going up before the insurance pays on anything.

I do find it ironic how the Duggar clan go on and on about people willing to be on assistance, but I bet dollars to donuts they do not mind hospitals writing off their medical bills especially when it comes to having a baby. I guess getting a job and having employer insurance and setting up a payment schedule on what they owe after having a kid because they were not bright enough to get proper medical care during a pregnancy (no I do not mean Jill's medical expert care or the lack there of,) in their mind is not the right thing to do.

Edited February 5, 2018 by bigskygirl

[Future Cat Lady]

All that talk about the cost of medical care is making me very happy I live in Canada. 

And anyone who’s against free or affordable healthcare is fucking evil.

[PikaScrewChu]

18 hours ago, Heathen said:

They're just meh about each other and they'll probably* be just meh about their shit ton of kids. I feel sorry for all of their future children. Joy might actually make Mullet or Jilly look good, and that's just frightening. 

*I say probably because a lot of people thought Jilly would be the Great Earth Mother and Jessa would be like Mullet, and it kind of turned out the opposite way. Joy might prove me wrong -- I hope she does. 

This was basically a forced together relationship to get Joy married off before the lawsuit.

[Scarlett45]

On 2/5/2018 at 9:20 AM, PikaScrewChu said:

This was basically a forced together relationship to get Joy married off before the lawsuit.

I don’t think so. Absolutely JB wanted Joy married off before the law suit, but Austin’s been around a while.

Likely he and Joy have been making eyes at each other for a bit (a year or two) and Austin was financially in a position to marry like he wanted (also Joy was of legal age).  Joy looks at Austin like she wants to EAT HIM, I don’t think it was “forced” in that sense. 

Do I think they should’ve gotten married so young- absolutely not, but I believe they both wanted each other. 

[PikaScrewChu]

48 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I don’t think so. Absolutely JB wanted Joy married off before the law suit, but Austin’s been around a while.

Likely he and Joy have been making eyes at each other for a bit (a year or two) and Austin was financially in a position to marry like he wanted (also Joy was of legal age).  Joy looks at Austin like she wants to EAT HIM, I don’t think it was “forced” in that sense. 

Do I think they should’ve gotten married so young- absolutely not, but I believe they both wanted each other. 

Joy would have had the googly lovely eyes for anyone they set in front of her and told her that she was to court him.

I don't think Austin and Joy knew each other nearly as well as they let on either.

[louannems]

5 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Joy would have had the googly lovely eyes for anyone they set in front of her and told her that she was to court him.

I don't think Austin and Joy knew each other nearly as well as they let on either.

Just a season before Joy married, on Counting On, Joy was very, clearly uninterested in guys or marriage.  Jinger was going through her own luvvy-duvvy courtship, and when it became Joy's turn to court, she just mimicked her older sisters.  That's my impression. 

In all of the Counting On episodes, Joyless came across as increasingly dull, uninspiring, and unintelligent.  And then suddenly she has this Austin-Joy courship, and to me, it was all acting.

[lascuba]

7 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I don’t think so. Absolutely JB wanted Joy married off before the law suit, but Austin’s been around a while.

Likely he and Joy have been making eyes at each other for a bit (a year or two) and Austin was financially in a position to marry like he wanted (also Joy was of legal age).  Joy looks at Austin like she wants to EAT HIM, I don’t think it was “forced” in that sense. 

Do I think they should’ve gotten married so young- absolutely not, but I believe they both wanted each other. 

 

1 hour ago, louannems said:

Just a season before Joy married, on Counting On, Joy was very, clearly uninterested in guys or marriage.  Jinger was going through her own luvvy-duvvy courtship, and when it became Joy's turn to court, she just mimicked her older sisters.  That's my impression. 

In all of the Counting On episodes, Joyless came across as increasingly dull, uninspiring, and unintelligent.  And then suddenly she has this Austin-Joy courship, and to me, it was all acting.

Yeah, Joy was extremely clear that she wasn't interested in marriage--that and dresses are the only things she expressed an ability for original thought. But I don't think she was acting with Austin--she is too dull and uninspiring  to pull that off. I think Jill simply experienced her first crush/lust, Austin wanted to get married and, oh look , a girl he knew well and liked well enough was interested and her father wants to marry her off asap, and they got married before Joy had time to get over it.

[Marigold]

11 hours ago, lascuba said:

 

Yeah, Joy was extremely clear that she wasn't interested in marriage--that and dresses are the only things she expressed an ability for original thought. But I don't think she was acting with Austin--she is too dull and uninspiring  to pull that off. I think Jill simply experienced her first crush/lust, Austin wanted to get married and, oh look , a girl he knew well and liked well enough was interested and her father wants to marry her off asap, and they got married before Joy had time to get over it.

I agree.

We have all said that the Duggars are emotionally delayed in their development. So when Joy said she wasn't interested in a husband, that was like a young girl thinking boys are kinda gross and marriage looked kinda yucky. 

Then Joy moved into the next phase of development which is she found a "cute boy" and doodled his name all over her books (one of the sisters actually said that) and she got all silly and excited.   In Duggar world, this indicates true love and they got married. 

Joy was around 17-19 when these phases took place. Typically we see this in younger girls, but this is Delayed Duggar Development. 

[PikaScrewChu]

17 hours ago, louannems said:

Just a season before Joy married, on Counting On, Joy was very, clearly uninterested in guys or marriage.  Jinger was going through her own luvvy-duvvy courtship, and when it became Joy's turn to court, she just mimicked her older sisters.  That's my impression. 

In all of the Counting On episodes, Joyless came across as increasingly dull, uninspiring, and unintelligent.  And then suddenly she has this Austin-Joy courship, and to me, it was all acting.

That was my impression as well. They tried to pigeon hole her as the tomboy one in the show but yet when she was doing those kind of things with Austin she seemed bored and disinterested. Actually she doesn't seem to have any interests.

Austin just happened to be there. Someone who actually had some sort of income outside of TLC that could support Joy until they hit umpteen blessings and bam.

[GeeGolly]

I think I'm the only one who thinks these girls put more work into getting married than JB & M did.

Other than JB introducing Derick to Jill, I think the getting-to-know-yous and courtships were heavily pursued by the girls.

JB kept delaying Jessa & Ben to the point she threatened to elope, and I don't think they had anything to do with any part of Jin & Jer. Tomboys still like relationships and sex. I think for Joy it was a combo of everyone getting married and seeing Austin in a new light. Other than the TV show, I think JB & M would be fine having all their kids unmarried and living at home. But I don't think JB could pull off finding mates for ratings. That would take brains, networking and energy. 

[skippy]

On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 2:59 AM, HELPME said:

Austin scares me.  I don't know exactly why.  He has shifty eyes, as my grandmother would say.

on another note, I work in healthcare, and a lot of "selfpay" patients are given charity care, and the hospital uses it as write offs.  If an uninsured Duggar came to the ER, they very likely would not get billed. 

He is creepy, sneaky, manipulative, passive-aggressive, and, I believe, his inner conflict regarding his sexuality makes him angry and potentially dangerous.

[Loves2Dance]

22 minutes ago, skippy said:

He is creepy, sneaky, manipulative, passive-aggressive, and, I believe, his inner conflict regarding his sexuality makes him angry and potentially dangerous.

He has the eyes of a narcissist. Which, I personally find to be the scariest of their kind in this situation because they're so evil, but believe they can fool those around them. And with Joyless, who has already witnessed what Anna experienced post scandal and raised to keep her mouth smiling, she doesn't have the coping skills or experience to even begin to handle that type of personality. I'd rather a Duggar girl marry a sociopath than a narcissist. And Austin has Narcissist written all over him. 

[bigskygirl]

6 minutes ago, Loves2Dance said:

He has the eyes of a narcissist. Which, I personally find to be the scariest of their kind in this situation because they're so evil, but believe they can fool those around them. And with Joyless, who has already witnessed what Anna experienced post scandal and raised to keep her mouth smiling, she doesn't have the coping skills or experience to even begin to handle that type of personality. I'd rather a Duggar girl marry a sociopath than a narcissist. And Austin has Narcissist written all over him. 

Sadly the same thing could be said about Josh and Derick.

[Loves2Dance]

20 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Sadly the same thing could be said about Josh and Derick.

Josh---maybe. Derrick? Nah. Unstable? Yes and I do think there is something---just not NPD. 

[Cinnabon]

Austin seems very controlling.

[DragonFaerie]

So I just wasted a couple of hours of my day off on tangents and down rabbit holes and discovered something creepy.  Jill, Jessa, and Jinger all have their own instagram accounts, as do their husbands.  There is only one for AustinandJoy.  She doesn't even get her own account???  Yea, I think controlling is a big thing to Austin 

[Loves2Dance]

1 hour ago, DragonFaerie said:

So I just wasted a couple of hours of my day off on tangents and down rabbit holes and discovered something creepy.  Jill, Jessa, and Jinger all have their own instagram accounts, as do their husbands.  There is only one for AustinandJoy.  She doesn't even get her own account???  Yea, I think controlling is a big thing to Austin 

Jump down into the rabbit hole when Austin and family were featured on reality TV. He gets it from his daddy...

[Christina87]

3 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

So I just wasted a couple of hours of my day off on tangents and down rabbit holes and discovered something creepy.  Jill, Jessa, and Jinger all have their own instagram accounts, as do their husbands.  There is only one for AustinandJoy.  She doesn't even get her own account???  Yea, I think controlling is a big thing to Austin 

And don't forget, she did post that home tour video, and it appears he made her take it down!

[JoanArc]

13 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Austin seems very controlling.

Who'd have though the world's strictest parents could produce that?

[Snow Fairy]

12 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

So I just wasted a couple of hours of my day off on tangents and down rabbit holes and discovered something creepy.  Jill, Jessa, and Jinger all have their own instagram accounts, as do their husbands.  There is only one for AustinandJoy.  She doesn't even get her own account???  Yea, I think controlling is a big thing to Austin 

She has her own account

https://www.instagram.com/joyanna_forsyth/

[Barb23]

I was skimming over the Forsyth website. On the subject of modesty, it was Austin's father who said "my girls wear dresses" or something similar. This was before Joy so I'm taking  " his girls" are his wife & daughter. How possessive & CREEPY. (I would think the women's modesty rules would be discussed by the mom.) Following in his father's footsteps, there's no way Austin will allow Joy to wear anything but the Fundy Frumpwear. 

I think outdoorsy Joy fit in Austin's marriage plan & the deal was sealed. Like we've said before,  Joy did seem happy helping Austin work on the house.  But with babies coming non-stop, that won't be happening. 

While I'm on a roll, I wonder if they've cleaned up the house & taken care of the pile of tools& other stuff esp in the baby's room.  Somehow I don't think so. There's nothing like stepping on a nail or splinter taking care of the baby in the middle of the night. 

[laurakaye]

Hasn't she had that baby yet?  Isn't she 11 months pregnant by now?

[louannems]

I knew Joy was in Jill's buddy team, but was she actually a sister mom herself?  She looks about 8 years old here and hefting Johannah on her little back is not a good thing.

[Barb23]

1 minute ago, louannems said:

I knew Joy was in Jill's buddy team, but was she actually a sister mom herself?  She looks about 8 years old here and hefting Johannah on her little back is not a good thing.

And it's not like they are just goofing around & playing piggyback. Hanny is in a carrier. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

Hannie  had that Lost Girl look down pat already. What a sad little girl.

Edited February 8, 2018 by Arwen Evenstar

[saylubee]

3 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

She has her own account

https://www.instagram.com/joyanna_forsyth/

I’m not sure that’s actually legit or has it been proven so?  None of the other family members follow it or seem to interact with it (no comments or likes).  The real austinandjoy instagram is verified, so I’d think if they did it for one they’d do it for the other.

[allonsyalice]

has anyone noticed, and this may have been pointed out, that Austin's smile just doesn't quite reach his eyes? It's part of what makes him seem so terrifying. Even when he's smiling he just seems so angry about something. It's unsettling. 

[Lunera]

16 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

So I just wasted a couple of hours of my day off on tangents and down rabbit holes and discovered something creepy.  Jill, Jessa, and Jinger all have their own instagram accounts, as do their husbands.  There is only one for AustinandJoy.  She doesn't even get her own account???  Yea, I think controlling is a big thing to Austin 

Erin, Allysa, and Michael all have joint accounts with their husbands but it's obvious that the wives run it. I'm pretty sure most of the posts were written by Austin except the creepy "besthusbandever" post and the house tour.

4 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

She has her own account

https://www.instagram.com/joyanna_forsyth/

I think that is a poser account. Usually Jessa announces all the official family accounts.

[Absolom]

4 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Hasn't she had that baby yet?  Isn't she 11 months pregnant by now?

Nope.  She hasn't even hit 266 days since the wedding yet.  That will be next Thursday.

[Temperance]

On that photo, she looks like combo of Jill and Jessa. I don't notice the resemblance as much as adults, but in the picture with Hannie it's there. 

[laurakaye]

7 hours ago, louannems said:

I knew Joy was in Jill's buddy team, but was she actually a sister mom herself?  She looks about 8 years old here and hefting Johannah on her little back is not a good thing.

Good heavens, but that is an absolutely heart-breaking photo.

And are we sure this is really Joy's account?  There's no misspelled words, and the use of "Johannah and myself" tips me off that this isn't really Joy.

Agree with everyone's opinion of Austin - he looks like the kind of guy who starts speaking really slow and quiet when the wifey doesn't obey, whispering instructions only she can hear while maintaining that frozen smile.  Damn, I just gave myself the shivers.  He's creepy.

EDIT: I just remembered who he reminds me of - the controlling husband in the old Julia Roberts movie, "Sleeping With the Enemy."  It was driving me crazy. 

Edited February 8, 2018 by laurakaye

[Sew Sumi]

I'm pretty sure I tipped the Forsyths off about this account which is why they made their real account "verified."

[CalicoKitty]

11 hours ago, louannems said:

I knew Joy was in Jill's buddy team, but was she actually a sister mom herself?  She looks about 8 years old here and hefting Johannah on her little back is not a good thing.

I may not be remembering correctly, but I seem to think that Joy was to "get" Josie, but Josie was too early and too small.

[Absolom]

Yes, Joy was to be sister mom to Josie.  When the breathing equipment was delivered, Joy was the one who received the training.  Josie was WAY too much for her and Jana became the substitute mom.

[BitterApple]

3 hours ago, Absolom said:

Yes, Joy was to be sister mom to Josie.  When the breathing equipment was delivered, Joy was the one who received the training.  Josie was WAY too much for her and Jana became the substitute mom.

Holy shit, Joy was what, fourteen at the time?! Was Michelle seriously going to leave the care of a preemie in the hands of a freaking teenager?! I can't believe she could be that stupid. 

[Love2dance]

58 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Holy shit, Joy was what, fourteen at the time?! Was Michelle seriously going to leave the care of a preemie in the hands of a freaking teenager?! I can't believe she could be that stupid. 

I can.

Edited February 9, 2018 by Love2dance
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