Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[humbleopinion]

We need the sleuths to find out if Austin and his sis were born in a hospital or home...think that will be a good indicator where the baby/babies will plop out.

Edited September 2, 2017 by humbleopinion

[babyhouseman]

16 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

How will Jimbo and Michelle treat their child if it's infertile? 

On the Bates show, one of the daughters revealed she was struggling to conceive and was seeing a specialist. She said she would adopt. They've been married for over 2 years. Another Bates daughter kept having miscarriages and through shots was able to have two children. 

[Fuzzysox]

23 minutes ago, babyhouseman said:

On the Bates show, one of the daughters revealed she was struggling to conceive and was seeing a specialist. She said she would adopt. They've been married for over 2 years. Another Bates daughter kept having miscarriages and through shots was able to have two children. 

Michael is having problems getting pregnant.

Erin sought help after having more than one miscarriage.

[Temperance]

I'm not convinced that Jessa is all that thrilled about a home birth. I think she got talked into it by somebody like Michelle or Jill.  Jill and Anna do seem to prefer home births though.

Edited September 2, 2017 by Temperance

[JoanArc]

45 minutes ago, Fuzzysox said:

Michael is having problems getting pregnant.

Erin sought help after having more than one miscarriage.

So much for trusting in the Lord.

[madpsych78]

1 hour ago, humbleopinion said:

We need the sleuths to find out if Austin and his sis were born in a hospital or home...think that will be a good indicator where the baby/babies will plop out.

Not necessarily. JimChelle birthed most of their babies in a hospital and all of their offspring have had their babies at home - daughters and daughter-in-law alike.

[Sew Sumi]

Well, Jill had both of hers at a hospital, but only after she botched her own care. 

We don't know the details of Sammy's birth, but something was obviously wrong, preventing a home birth. Transverse again? They may never tell us what really happened after the backlash following Izzy's birth.

[sleepysuzy]

Considering the size of some of her nephews at birth, Joy may just be carrying one huge baby. My biggest was 11 lbs, born at 38 weeks. I measured 45 weeks at delivery. At three months gestation, I looked more like I was entering the third trimester.

In my family, large babies are the norm, and the Duggar girls seem to have a similar trend going. 

Edited September 2, 2017 by sleepysuzy

[tabloidlover]

I am short and showed extremely early.  However, I didn't look as big as Joy does for 3 months.  Either twins or one big baby (or they allowed Jill to use her medical things to determine how far along she is)

[leighdear]

2 hours ago, Temperance said:

I'm not convinced that Jessa is all that thrilled about a home birth. I think she got talked into it by somebody like Michelle or Jill.  Jill and Anna do seem to prefer home births though.

Anna can just spit them out, then go back to chopping up carrots & curling her hair.  

Like most, I think Jill's "preference" is for anything that upstages her sisters or makes her look like mommy the martyr. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

22 minutes ago, leighdear said:

Like most, I think Jill's "preference" is for anything that upstages her sisters or makes her look like mommy the martyr. 

This one is a constant attention seeker.  It's classic Stage 5 Clinger behavior. 

[truebluesmoky]

Joy really does seem like the first Duggar girl to have no interests and an even worse education than some of the older kids . Maybe it's where she fell in the family? It seems like maybe the first batch of kids got slightly better homefooling, via Michelle before she passed it on to the older kids and via tutors they had coming to the house. The older kids are better musicians as well. I think the first four girls stuck together and became teenagers before the show became a huge hit. Jana seems to genuinely enjoy gardening and decorating and even caring for the kids. Jill was really into the midwifery. Jessa was more of a traditional girly girl, interested in hair and make-up and Pinteresty house projects. Jinger loved photography and was more genuinely interested in their travel. Joy was not part of that group. She's really the female howler. When she suddenly had to become a traditional Duggar woman, she had less education, no close siblings, no talents or interests, and no plan for her life whatsoever. The other married Duggar girls seemed like they were eager to get married but still kept in mind their other life goals - Jill with missions and midwifery, Jessa jumping into the mom thing but also sort of being the mastermind of their "brand," and Jinger jumping into a life of adventure. Joy really just seems like a lump of clay that had no interests and no options other than turning into her mom. I think she's actually the likeliest candidate to have 37572874 kids and nothing more. Time will tell about the four littlest girls.  

[Spencer Hastings]

Y'all, I was at Target and I saw someone wearing the dress. She was wearing it as a shirt but I couldn't believe it was a real thing. 

 

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Edited September 3, 2017 by Spencer Hastings

[latetotheparty]

14 minutes ago, Spencer Hastings said:

Y'all, I was at target and I saw someone wearing the dress. She was wearing it as a shirt but I couldn't believe it was a real thing. 

 

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Who thought that combo was a good idea?  That's the most butt ugly thing I've ever seen and I watch Project Runway. 

[ilovetrashtv]

9 hours ago, Absolom said:

They really didn't.  They changed the date on the registry to her birthday so the general public wouldn't know their actual wedding date.  Jinger and Joy (or TLC) didn't want paparazzi and gate crashers at their weddings.

How is this still a rumor?? I mean, them moving up their wedding. It's been debunked at least a hundred times on here. 

Edited September 3, 2017 by ilovetrashtv

[BitterApple]

2 hours ago, truebluesmoky said:

Joy really does seem like the first Duggar girl to have no interests and an even worse education than some of the older kids . 

I agree. The older four girls are certainly no brain trusts, but I feel confident that they could hold basic office jobs or work in retail if they had to. Joy, though? It's like you have to tell her when to blink. She's just so....simple.

[Sew Sumi]

I keep going back to their wedding day when Joy anxiously asked him if he wanted her hair up or down. Most young women have made that decision long before the day of the wedding. Dang, all you have to do now is hit up Pinterest and show the style to your hairdresser. Easy peasy. Apparently, Joy couldn't even handle that. 

Of course Austin says she's a hard worker. She was raised to be obedient and not question authority. She's the poster child for the non-thinking fundie. I really pity her more than anything. What a waste of a life. 

[lianau]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

I agree. The older four girls are certainly no brain trusts, but I feel confident that they could hold basic office jobs or work in retail if they had to. Joy, though? It's like you have to tell her when to blink. She's just so....simple.

The older girls were  raised by their parents ,at least in the beginning . Joy only had her sistermom .

[Catfin]

On 9/1/2017 at 10:36 PM, ChiCricket said:

 I hope at least she breast feeds for longer than 6 months like Michelle.

 I know it doesn't work for everyone, but I never got pregnant while breastfeeding (back in the olden days when I was a practicing Catholic.) 

Worked for me! No period for two years while nursing the first. That was really nice! Stopped nursing to get fertility back on track to try for second child.   It worked. 

I was a former Catholic by that point. Lol.

[Catfin]

Odd, that last post was hanging out suspended somehow. 

I came here to throw shade at the "3 months" pregnancy size of poor, simple Joy. Then I remembered how truly different women can carry. I'm tall and carried a basketball way back then.   A neighbor woman, same height, essentially turned greenish hued upon conception and carried her pregnancy across her butt and back from month one. 

I'd say I feel sorry for Joy, but she knows nothing different. Desires nothing different. 

[Genevrier]

20 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I saw the picture on Joy's Instagram where she's turned to the side in her bathroom, and wow, that's the biggest "three month" baby bump I've ever seen in my life. Up close, she's still quite thin, except for her boobs, so I'm not sure weight gain is responsible for her showing like that. 

What picture is that?

[bythelake]

10 hours ago, truebluesmoky said:

Joy really does seem like the first Duggar girl to have no interests and an even worse education than some of the older kids . Maybe it's where she fell in the family? It seems like maybe the first batch of kids got slightly better homefooling, via Michelle before she passed it on to the older kids and via tutors they had coming to the house. The older kids are better musicians as well. I think the first four girls stuck together and became teenagers before the show became a huge hit. Jana seems to genuinely enjoy gardening and decorating and even caring for the kids. Jill was really into the midwifery. Jessa was more of a traditional girly girl, interested in hair and make-up and Pinteresty house projects. Jinger loved photography and was more genuinely interested in their travel. Joy was not part of that group. She's really the female howler. When she suddenly had to become a traditional Duggar woman, she had less education, no close siblings, no talents or interests, and no plan for her life whatsoever. The other married Duggar girls seemed like they were eager to get married but still kept in mind their other life goals - Jill with missions and midwifery, Jessa jumping into the mom thing but also sort of being the mastermind of their "brand," and Jinger jumping into a life of adventure. Joy really just seems like a lump of clay that had no interests and no options other than turning into her mom. I think she's actually the likeliest candidate to have 37572874 kids and nothing more. Time will tell about the four littlest girls.  

It seems that when Michelle stopped homefooling, the older kids took over. Wasn't Jessa their tutor at one point?  Didn't the "real tutor" come into the picture only a few years ago? Added to that, the program  they use is Gothard approved, so they get bible studies and very little else. Apparently, some of the howlers have learning disabilities, although this has never been acknowledged. 

JB has been the puppet master of these 19 children. He's held them down, kept them back, made them fearful and given them no tools to live independent lives. It's not because God wants him to do this, it's because of his huge ego.

[crazycatlady58]

And he will be held accountable   for  according  to his own believes he is the head of the family ,  the umbrella  who is supposed  to protect  them and prepare  them for life. They are his responsibility  and he has failed  that and will be held accountable  for this by God. 

[Absolom]

They used the ATI booklets for awhile, but even the Duggars realized that it wasn't covering everything so they added Switched on Schoolhouse which is the computer based program.  It might have been so Michelle could do even less work since the kids could do that more or less independently once they were sort of reading.

[BitterApple]

3 hours ago, Genevrier said:

What picture is that?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYbid9bBFIi/

Scroll through and it's the second picture.

Edited September 3, 2017 by BitterApple

[Barb23]

On 8/31/2017 at 6:40 PM, floridamom said:

Whoa! Those gazongas! I shudder to think how Joy will stand upright during her 9th month? I hope she finds a bra made of steel....and soon.

Does Wal-Mart sell "bras made of steel?"

[Mollie]

On 9/2/2017 at 6:51 PM, BitterApple said:

I saw the picture on Joy's Instagram where she's turned to the side in her bathroom, and wow, that's the biggest "three month" baby bump I've ever seen in my life. Up close, she's still quite thin, except for her boobs, so I'm not sure weight gain is responsible for her showing like that. 

 

[leighdear]

14 hours ago, BitterApple said:

She's just so....simple.

Bless her heart....

5 hours ago, PoshSprinkles said:

"It's not aesthetically pleasing." -Nina Garcia

"I question your taste level." - Nina Garcia

[awaken]

On 9/1/2017 at 2:35 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Do they even use the word "pregnant?" Maybe, now days, but, for years they only referred to it as expecting or blessed. lol  All that time, I thought they thought it was due to thinking that pregnant was too vulgar....but, maybe, they just didn't know about it it or it was too technical.  lol 

I still remember how ignorant Jill sounded, repeatedly asking jinger "are ya pregnit?" During their staged group Skype calls. Even my child was like, why would someone come out and say it like that?  How rude. 

[GeeGolly]

They knew Joy was pregnant when filming the recap shows. In the GIF of Joy sitting on Austin's 'lap' he puts his phone in between the filming camera and Joy's stomach and Joy immediately pulls her sweater forward. Also during that show JB comments that maybe Joy will be the next pregnant daughter. Now with this bump.

An online baby calculator gives Joy the due date of February 16, if the date of conception was May 26th. She would be 16 weeks pregnant now and the baby is the size of an avocado.

[Marigold]

On 8/31/2017 at 7:29 PM, Christina87 said:

I hate it, but now I'm kind of feeling that Jinger wants to be pregnant, but isn't. Her delivery during that message seemed odd to me, like she was doing her best despite extreme jealousy and heartache. I know it may be reading a lot into it, but she did not seem truly happy. Then at the end, when she said she loved and missed them, that part seemed sincere. 

This video has me a little worried for Jinger. If she wants to conceive and hasn't, or worse, is forbidden by her headship, I worry for her mental health. They can't talk about these issues openly in the duggar family, and her tone and general look in this video was a bit like going to your frenemy's wedding after your own bitter breakup. I hope I am wrong. I'd assumed Jinger and Jeremy were happily using birth control, but this video gave me pause. 

I agree.

Jinger looked kinda sad and so did Jeremy. 

Either they are sad/bored Joy is pregnant and so young OR they are having a fertility issue. 

[floridamom]

AS far as the Vuolo congratulatory video to Joystin, I believe Jeremy was disgusted with those two conceiving ASAP like they did. He and Jinger plainly stated that they were going to wait a few years before starting their family. I think Jinger is ok with that as she's enjoying her life doing real life things that she was never allowed to do before. I don't think she minds waiting a bit for motherhood. Jeremy sure isn't in any rush.

[Annb67]

On 9/2/2017 at 0:23 PM, madpsych78 said:

TBH I think she's having twins.

Good grief. If so, she's nineteen with freaking twins, getting engaged and married all within ONE YEAR! Girl is going to need a prescription for Michelle's "mommys little helper" medication

[Caracoa1]

Do you think the Duggar Girls get any enjoyment out of sex or is it just to a means of getting pregnant?!

[Absolom]

Joy has perfected the Jill swayback and shove the stomach out posture.

[BitterApple]

38 minutes ago, Caracoa1 said:

Do you think the Duggar Girls get any enjoyment out of sex or is it just to a means of getting pregnant?!

Well, they're married to inexperienced virgins. I can't imagine their worlds are being rocked. Jinger maybe, but not the others.

[ariel]

51 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Well, they're married to inexperienced virgins. I can't imagine their worlds are being rocked. Jinger maybe, but not the others.

Maybe he went with Jinger because he didn't rock those secular girls. ;)

[Lunera]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

They knew Joy was pregnant when filming the recap shows. In the GIF of Joy sitting on Austin's 'lap' he puts his phone in between the filming camera and Joy's stomach and Joy immediately pulls her sweater forward. Also during that show JB comments that maybe Joy will be the next pregnant daughter. Now with this bump.

An online baby calculator gives Joy the due date of February 16, if the date of conception was May 26th. She would be 16 weeks pregnant now and the baby is the size of an avocado.

She was raised well by Jill, who couldn't wait to announce her pregnancy after 8 weeks of marriage. She was probably peeing on sticks daily. I'm thinking she knew she was pregnant during the Israel trip because in their group picture Austin was hugging her around the belly and she trying to cover it. Seeing how big she is now she probably started showing very early. 

[Sew Sumi]

They would have JUST found out when they taped the After Show: they'd only been married like 26 days! They headed off to Israel just days after filming. I doubt she was showing THAT early, but they had the pregnancy pose down, didn't they?

[RedheadZombie]

On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 8:01 PM, Scarlett45 said:

If any of the girls reach Michelle's numbers it will be Joy, simply due to her age and the type of husband she has (who is gung ho about the lifestyle and is willing to work for a living). I don't think Jessa will have THAT many (I see her puttering out at 4-5) because small children are WORK, and I don't think Jessa wants to recreate the sister mom situation. She or Ben may get snipped in their 30s and no one would be the wiser. 

I think the only reason Jessa is disinterested in the sister mom situation, is she hasn't had any girls.  If the next is a girl, Jessa will put her in charge.  Mama needs her beauty rest.

[galaxychaser]

I think if joy is having twins she would say something. 

[GeeGolly]

56 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

They would have JUST found out when they taped the After Show: they'd only been married like 26 days! They headed off to Israel just days after filming. I doubt she was showing THAT early, but they had the pregnancy pose down, didn't they?

At home pregnancy tests are accurate as early as two weeks. And ya, she probably wasn't showing then, but when one's trying to keep a secret they sometimes overcompensate. 

[Genevrier]

2 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

I think if joy is having twins she would say something. 

She might not know. They don't seem to get pre-natal care. 

[galaxychaser]

Just now, Genevrier said:

She might not know. They don't seem to get pre-natal care. 

What and why? I'm horrified at that. 

[Absolom]

A Dollar Tree test turned 8 days after conception with one baby and 9 days for another for my daughter so it's possible Joy knew that quickly if she started testing early.  Interesting that it took until day 10 for the EPT to turn for daughter.  The OB requested daughter begin testing 8 days after ovulation due to prior miscarriages.  Unlike the Duggars she had excellent OB done pre-natal care and wasn't testing simply on spec.  

[louannems]

Unless Joy is purposefully bulging her belly outward, and, of course, standing swayback, she looks 6 months pregnant, to me!

She is very young and the most physically active  of any of the older girls.  Her abdominal muscles should be taunt; instead, she looks like she could be pregnant with her 7th kid.  If that is a 16 week fetus.

[xwordfanatik]

3 hours ago, Absolom said:

Joy has perfected the Jill swayback and shove the stomach out posture.

Didn't Jill basically raise Joy?  Sister moms think alike.

[Marigold]

Joy is carrying large, however, every woman is different.

My opinion? Joy lost a lot of weight prior to the wedding.  She gained post wedding weight on top of maybe carrying large. 

I have a really hard time thinking that those two had sex with ALL of their parents, siblings etc breathing down their necks constantly.  It's possible but so unlikely that they got enough time alone to get that done...two virgins too!  

[JoanArc]

3 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

What and why? I'm horrified at that. 

Yeah, Jessa admitted to having none - just vanity ultrasounds. Not even tests for gestational diabetes. The less said about Dr. Jill, the better. I would hope if/when she has the vanity US done, it would reveal twins. I'm still hoping one of the girls gets triplets, just to rub Michelle's nose in it. Being an an unprepared idiot - it'll be Joy.

[Snow Fairy]

15 hours ago, BitterApple said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYbid9bBFIi/

Scroll through and it's the second picture.

Wow, I'm 23 weeks pregnant with my second one, and her belly is a lot bigger than mine. And I am short and have enough belly fat even without pregnancy

But the gestation diabetes test come in mind to me too. They all have big babies, eat for two (rolleyes), who knows what's going on here. My blood sugar level is on border and I was put on a "diet". And during my first pregnancy my blood sugar was ok.

I really hope she gets some doctor's appointmenst and delivers in a hospital