Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[Rabbittron]

On 4/4/2018 at 8:13 AM, bigskygirl said:

You mean a Duggar daughter could be taking care of her own child by herself without a sister-mom around. You could knock me over with a feather.

Yes because all of the sister-moms are on hold for Jinger.

[doodlebug]

On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 12:44 PM, Lemur said:

I'll just point out the obvious ....

Most hospitals and doctors aren't allowing patients to record the births for broadcast anymore.  Even the Teen Mom people can't get around this one.  They'd previously have a parent/spouse/whatever in the room filming on their cell but they can't even get away with audio of the occassion anymore.  Hence the home births.  No recording restrictions means you can package up that VSE without any legal issues. 

I absolutely believe that this is the main reason that all of them are trying to have home births (except for Jill who thinks she is an expert on childbirth and doesn't want actual medical professionals around to crush her delusions.  Besides the fact I don't think she has any insurance coverage and her hubby is lazy).  And, if TLC or the production company is basing payments to them on whether they can film the births, then, shame on them and they should be held culpable for the complications they suffer for their ill-advised birth plans.  I presume, as money manager, Jim Bob is participating in negotiations for the contracts for the births and that he would sell the safety of his daughters and grandchildren for a few bucks says a lot about him.

Edited April 8, 2018 by doodlebug

[Barb23]

12 hours ago, nan said:

 Not so much those without access to care, but those that have chosen no prenatal care and show up expecting everyone to cater to their birth plan.  I think the Bates' have been able to do filming because they do prenatal care and have dr and hospital onboard prior to showing up in the ER with a complicated birth. surely no hospital would allow a film crew in after 20 hrs or 50 hrs of home labor for a patient in an emergency situation.

This really makes sense.  The ER is a super busy place (know from experience) that I can't imagine a camera crew being allowed to follow a patient in, no matter who they are. Same with the Labor & Delivery unit where I know security is a top priority too.

[becca3891]

On 4/4/2018 at 2:14 PM, laurakaye said:

Are we supposed to think that Joy wrote the above post, since she "signed off" on it with her name after the Bible verse?  Or does Joy just babble what she thinks she wants to say and then Austin types it up his way and signs for her?

I feel mean saying this, but it was so hard for me to picture Joy having typed that. It's written far more clearly and intelligently than she ever speaks. 

On 4/7/2018 at 9:05 PM, Caracoa1 said:

I wonder if the Duggar Girls follow the rules of sexual activity can resume 40 days after a boy if the birth was a C- Section..if so...Joy's time is up and Forsyth Baby #2 will be conceived as soon as she starts ovulating.

Ugh, I had forgotten about that Gothard/Duggar gem. Boob must have been so disappointed with all those girls in a row at the end having to wait 80 days instead of 40! It makes me angry, though, that an ancient ritual designed because women were viewed as twice as unclean as men, is still being touted in 2018.

[BunnyBlueBrown]

On 4/5/2018 at 1:40 PM, Heathen said:

What is it about fundies and the word "sharing"? I'd like to SHARE a thesaurus (or maybe the palm of my hand) with them. Quit acting like you're doing the world a favor by SHARING your story, fundies. Concentrate on becoming better people instead of pleasing your imaginary friend. 

And the word SURREAL

[Libby96]

I am sure I would learn so much listening to the sharing of kids young enough to be my children about their less than year old marriage.  Please.

Even as a Christian myself I just don't see the obsession with these marriage workshops and marriage retreats.  It's like there is some belief that marriages are under atrack and it is all just such hard work.  For just $499 you can spend a romantic weekend with your spouse taking notes on how to keep your marriage alive!

I'm not saying marriages don't need attention, but I kind of operate from the standpoint that my life is easier with my husband than without him.

But go right ahead, Joy and Austin.  Share that wisdom.

[Barb23]

13 hours ago, Libby96 said:

I am sure I would learn so much listening to the sharing of kids young enough to be my children about their less than year old marriage.  Please.

Even as a Christian myself I just don't see the obsession with these marriage workshops and marriage retreats.  It's like there is some belief that marriages are under atrack and it is all just such hard work.  For just $499 you can spend a romantic weekend with your spouse taking notes on how to keep your marriage alive!

I'm not saying marriages don't need attention, but I kind of operate from the standpoint that my life is easier with my husband than without him.

But go right ahead, Joy and Austin.  Share that wisdom.

Great post!

 Joy & Austin will be held in higher esteem at the seminar because of them also being parents. I'm sure they will be sharing both marriage & baby wisdom. Ugh!

Edited April 11, 2018 by Barb23

[Fuzzysox]

Hmm Joy does not share a lot of pictures of "he's our baby" Gideon. 

[Nysha]

She didn't post a lot of "Look at me, I'm pregnant" pictures, either. I get the feeling that Joy would be happier without TLC in her life. 

[DangerousMinds]

I do like her for that. Keep those memories to yourself. No need to share with millions of strangers.

[BitterApple]

Yeah, I always got the vibe Joy started an Instagram account because she thinks it's what you're supposed to do as a young, married Fundie woman. She doesn't seem to live and breathe for it though, which is a refreshing change. I also wonder if she isn't a bit self-conscious. She gained a ton of weight with Gideon and judging by recent pictures it hasn't begun to fall off yet. If she's tired and not feeling great, it might help explain the lack of enthusiasm over posting pictures.

Edited April 24, 2018 by BitterApple

[Heathen]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Yeah, I always got the vibe Joy started an Instagram account because she thinks it's what you're supposed to do as a young, married Fundie woman. She doesn't seem to live and breathe for it though, which is a refreshing change. I also wonder if she isn't a bit self-conscious. She gained a ton of weight with Gideon and judging by recent pictures it hasn't begun to fall off yet. If she's tired and not feeling great, it might help explain the lack of enthusiasm over posting pictures.

She's also very busty. Considering how she was raised, it would be surprising if she weren't self-conscious about her body now. 

[Fostersmom]

10 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Yeah, I always got the vibe Joy started an Instagram account because she thinks it's what you're supposed to do as a young, married Fundie woman. She doesn't seem to live and breathe for it though, which is a refreshing change. I also wonder if she isn't a bit self-conscious. She gained a ton of weight with Gideon and judging by recent pictures it hasn't begun to fall off yet. If she's tired and not feeling great, it might help explain the lack of enthusiasm over posting pictures.

I think the account is 100% Austin and she'd be more than happy to not have one. 

[Jenilane6]

Now that the weekend is over, I am wondering what they brought to the table.

[MsJamieDornan]

15 hours ago, Jenilane6 said:

I am wondering what they brought to the table.

Paper plates ?

[Temperance]

18 hours ago, Fostersmom said:

I think the account is 100% Austin and she'd be more than happy to not have one. 

I think they both like getting the TLC money and having an instagram account helps promote the show/brand/themselves as stars.  I don't remember if Austin has ministry dreams or some other career dream where fame is an asset. If he has no or a low desire to be famous, the Instagram account and TLC might be done to appease her family and get some easy money for appearing on tv. In a couple years, maybe they'll tire of it and quit the show. If they quit, I bet they will do it more gracefully than Derick. 

[questionfear]

6 hours ago, Temperance said:

I think they both like getting the TLC money and having an instagram account helps promote the show/brand/themselves as stars.  I don't remember if Austin has ministry dreams or some other career dream where fame is an asset. If he has no or a low desire to be famous, the Instagram account and TLC might be done to appease her family and get some easy money for appearing on tv. In a couple years, maybe they'll tire of it and quit the show. If they quit, I bet they will do it more gracefully than Derick. 

Austin hasn't expressed any particular ministry or missionary desires. I think he's happy flipping houses, and I think they're mostly into the show because the exposure and being local celebrities makes his real estate business more popular. 

[awaken]

On 4/24/2018 at 12:38 PM, Jenilane6 said:

Now that the weekend is over, I am wondering what they brought to the table.

Yes, was this the weekend they were supposed to share their wisdom about marriage?

[Lunera]

Omg! Why does he look like baby Voldemort? I'm going to hell.

[BitterApple]

He looks like his dad, that's all I've got.

[Sew Sumi]

It's "your dad and ME..."

Yet another SOTDRT FAIL. 

[lookeyloo]

Just now, Sew Sumi said:

It's "your dad and ME..."

Yet another SOTDRT FAIL. 

I was just going to say that!  Well, that baby looks clean and well fed and relatively happy, so there's that.  Can't speak to his future misery.

[Heathen]

19 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

It's "your dad and ME..."

Yet another SOTDRT FAIL. 

A lot of people with college educations don't use that properly, let alone people with shit-for-brains like the Duggars.

I know a middle school language arts teacher, who has a master's degree, who uses "people that," "my dad and I, and "myself and my husband."  It actually embarrasses me for her. 

[dargosmydaddy]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

He looks like his dad, that's all I've got.

At least he doesn't look like (yet another) Duggar clone?

I dunno, the first picture is rather creepy-looking, but the rest aren't so bad. At least he seems happy. And he's so little that the sheet in the first pic isn't being used for blanket training quite yet...

[Natalie68]

8 minutes ago, dargosmydaddy said:

At least he doesn't look like (yet another) Duggar clone?

I dunno, the first picture is rather creepy-looking, but the rest aren't so bad. At least he seems happy. And he's so little that the sheet in the first pic isn't being used for blanket training quite yet...

All I could come up with is he looks fairly happy.  Hold onto it tight little Giddyup, the free spirit will be blanket trained outta ya.

[graefin]

Well, he's got his mom's wide-set eyes and his dad's "nostrils." And the rest of Josie's face in at least one of the shots. Spurgeon still wins cutest spawn award (by a long shot, IMO). At least now Gideon's clothes fit.

[Vaysh]

He's a happy looking little frog. His mouth will look better when the teeth comes in, I'm sure.

[awaken]

He does look very cute and happy!  Too bad he inherited The Nostrils of Doom. 

[Westiepeach]

No doubt who fathered him. 

[Nysha]

Awww, there is nothing more heart melting than watching a tiny baby smile while mommy & daddy talk to him. 

[Portia]

7 hours ago, Lunera said:

Omg! Why does he look like baby Voldemort? I'm going to hell.

@Lunera, I can't stop laughing at your comment.

[MsJamieDornan]

Well, isn't he special..

[MamaMax]

On 4/10/2018 at 1:07 PM, Libby96 said:

I am sure I would learn so much listening to the sharing of kids young enough to be my children about their less than year old marriage.  Please.

Even as a Christian myself I just don't see the obsession with these marriage workshops and marriage retreats.  It's like there is some belief that marriages are under atrack and it is all just such hard work.  For just $499 you can spend a romantic weekend with your spouse taking notes on how to keep your marriage alive!

I'm not saying marriages don't need attention, but I kind of operate from the standpoint that my life is easier with my husband than without him.

But go right ahead, Joy and Austin.  Share that wisdom.

It's a Fundie indoctrination thing. Have teenagers tell other teenagers how AWESOME it is to be married!  Cuz, how you gonna keep em down on the fundie farm if you dont saddle them with a family before they can look around and think "There's got to be more to life."

 

19 hours ago, Heathen said:

A lot of people with college educations don't use that properly, let alone people with shit-for-brains like the Duggars.

I know a middle school language arts teacher, who has a master's degree, who uses "people that," "my dad and I, and "myself and my husband."  It actually embarrasses me for her. 

People who use "I" and "myself"  where "me" is correct are trying too hard to sound smart. 

[RedheadZombie]

20 hours ago, BitterApple said:

He looks like his dad, that's all I've got.

Finally a man who can trump the Jim Bob genes.

[Jynnan tonnix]

2 hours ago, MamaMax said:

It's a Fundie indoctrination thing. Have teenagers tell other teenagers how AWESOME it is to be married!  Cuz, how you gonna keep em down on the fundie farm if you dont saddle them with a family before they can look around and think "There's got to be more to life."

 

People who use "I" and "myself"  where "me" is correct are trying too hard to sound smart. 

What really makes me crazy is that it's so widespread that I find myself hesitating to use it correctly for fear that three quarters of the people I'm talking to will think I'm the one with poor language skills. I generally end up going with some sentence structure that will allow me to just say "we". I don't think people are necessarily trying to "sound smart", though. I think it's more that when we are learning to talk, somehow incorrect usage of, say, "my friend and me" is corrected more than incorrect usage of "my friend and I". Probably because a sentence like "my friend and me went to the store" is much more likely to come out of a child's mouth than "they threw a party for my friend and me", so the impression becomes one of feeling that "me" is pretty much always going to be wrong when you are talking about yourself and another person, and they just learn to substitute "I" in both cases because they don't understand the underlying rules. 

To be honest, I don't think I could actually explain what the grammatical rules are myself, never having had the patience to learn them - I just learned grammar through being a voracious reader for the most part, and generally managed to get it right - but the trick of simply taking the other person out of the sentence and then seeing whether it sounds better with "me" or "I" is so simple that it's amazing that so many people seem never to have heard of it.

Mostly it seems that only people with a real feeling for language are the ones who  get hives from it these days, though

[Fuzzysox]

It's been two months already time for Joyless to make another blessing.

[lookeyloo]

1 hour ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

What really makes me crazy is that it's so widespread that I find myself hesitating to use it correctly for fear that three quarters of the people I'm talking to will think I'm the one with poor language skills. I generally end up going with some sentence structure that will allow me to just say "we". I don't think people are necessarily trying to "sound smart", though. I think it's more that when we are learning to talk, somehow incorrect usage of, say, "my friend and me" is corrected more than incorrect usage of "my friend and I". Probably because a sentence like "my friend and me went to the store" is much more likely to come out of a child's mouth than "they threw a party for my friend and me", so the impression becomes one of feeling that "me" is pretty much always going to be wrong when you are talking about yourself and another person, and they just learn to substitute "I" in both cases because they don't understand the underlying rules. 

To be honest, I don't think I could actually explain what the grammatical rules are myself, never having had the patience to learn them - I just learned grammar through being a voracious reader for the most part, and generally managed to get it right - but the trick of simply taking the other person out of the sentence and then seeing whether it sounds better with "me" or "I" is so simple that it's amazing that so many people seem never to have heard of it.

Mostly it seems that only people with a real feeling for language are the ones who  get hives from it these days, though

Agree.  totally.  Awesome.  That's how I do it too. #genius

[humbleopinion]

Giddyup is only 2 months old but his nostrils are the size of a 6 month old....

Edited April 27, 2018 by humbleopinion

[andromeda331]

Gideon is really cute. So is Sam.

[DangerousMinds]

I'm definitely going with cultural appropriation myself. Makes me cringe.

[sigmaforce86]

On 4/25/2018 at 4:32 PM, Lunera said:

Omg! Why does he look like baby Voldemort? I'm going to hell.

I'm going to be right next to you - I took one look and thought "Uncle Fester"

I know babies lose some weight but that head and those legs - he seems a little on the small (dare I say scrawny) side.  Treading carefully here because it's not the kids fault and they're all different, his weight and size may be perfectly normal for him but he does look petite.

[floridamom]

Wasn't this baby almost 10 pounds at birth? It's almost the weight of TWO babies. There has to be some reason that the Duggar daughters deliver huge babies.

[Temperance]

Genetics maybe? Ten pounds is a lot, but hardly the size of two non premature babies ime.

Also too soon to tell about Gideon, but his cousin Israel was a big baby and he has stayed consistently big for his age and will probably be pretty tall as an adult. Some big babies become smaller or not as large for their age after they're born.  A friend had that happen. She had a nine pound baby, and then like at a year old the doctors were worried her daughter was a little small for her age. My friend didn't gain that much weight either, so hard to tell (the mother kept track of her weightgain during pregnancy and tried to stay really fit.) The daughter is healthy. In some ways it wasn't a surprise, because a lot of the women in that family are on the shorter and smaller side for adult women. 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Temperance

[GeeGolly]

Giddy must be a blonde? He doesn't seem to have eyelashes or eyebrows.

[Angeltoes]

He looks like he has might be a strawberry blond.

[cmr2014]

7 hours ago, Temperance said:

Genetics maybe? Ten pounds is a lot, but hardly the size of two non premature babies ime.

Also too soon to tell about Gideon, but his cousin Israel was a big baby and he has stayed consistently big for his age and will probably be pretty tall as an adult. Some big babies become smaller or not as large for their age after they're born.  A friend had that happen. She had a nine pound baby, and then like at a year old the doctors were worried her daughter was a little small for her age. My friend didn't gain that much weight either, so hard to tell (the mother kept track of her weightgain during pregnancy and tried to stay really fit.) The daughter is healthy. In some ways it wasn't a surprise, because a lot of the women in that family are on the shorter and smaller side for adult women. 

I have read -- and there are people on this board with more experience who may know better -- that the human uterus is capable of holding up to 13 pounds of baby/babies. One thirteen pound baby (my grandmother had one!), or two 6 1/2 pound babies, or three 4 pound babies, etc. That would made Gideon the size of 5 pound twins -- which would be about the normal size for twins.

[lookeyloo]

3 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

I have read -- and there are people on this board with more experience who may know better -- that the human uterus is capable of holding up to 13 pounds of baby/babies. One thirteen pound baby (my grandmother had one!), or two 6 1/2 pound babies, or three 4 pound babies, etc. That would made Gideon the size of 5 pound twins -- which would be about the normal size for twins.

Must depend on the uterus. My father weighed 16 pounds at birth documented in a well baby clinic my other grandmother attended when my uncle was born.  Small town. Father born May 18 and uncle born June 3. Grandmother said women at clinic all said "poor Mrs F having such a big baby".  Giddy looks a little scrawny in the picture though. But happy at least for now 

[saylubee]

Gideon looks long in the torso.  I wouldn’t  be surprised if he was wearing a 3-6mo onesie to clasp neatly at the bottom over the diaper.  One of my daughters had that problem and as a result looks way too small in any early photos because she’s wearing a size up. 

[DkNNy79]

He’s a little odd looking.  The other pictures did him no favors either.

He’s all torso with skinny arms and legs.

Edited April 28, 2018 by DkNNy79

[Fuzzysox]

"That's our baby, Gideon" looks like the late Vern Trotter. *runs away*

Edited April 28, 2018 by Fuzzysox
Because I should let the coffee kick in before I post.