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  1. OMG I am so glad you said this. I was debating whether to ask here or in another topic whether I was remembering this correctly - that Missy and Elisabeth had their own experiences with Dan and downplayed it changing the story only after the vote (to, in my opinion, save their games). Only because this is how the MSN article from today was phrased: Tribemates Missy Byrd and Elizabeth Beisel then made up their own complaints to manipulate other players to vote out Dan, and it became a giant mess, https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/survivor-removes-a-player-from-the-game-for-the-first-time-ever/ar-AAK1ZFL And the minute I read it I thought no they didn't make it up they backtracked. But then I wondered if I was remembering that episode wrong which is why I was happy to see your comment. And that, to me, is a problem. By backtracking people could say well if you take it back or downplay it or say it wasn't as bad as you thought or whatever excuse you make then it probably is reasonable for MSN to use the words "made up" which makes the whole thing sound like a false accusation. The game play makes for this twisted narrative of what is a real world, outside of strategy, this happened scenario and what is an outwit, I exaggerated, moving my game forward scenario. I disagree with MSN's wording, I wish they had chosen something less definite than "made up" but it's weird uncharted territory to have this happen in a situation where things are made up as people push their game forward. There's just a huge difference between made up I went to island of the idols and had to draw a rock to win an advantage and made up he touched me, no he didn't, yes he did.
  2. The second the words came up on the screen I said (yelled nearly), I knew Kellee wasn't exaggerating and the other women downplayed what happened just for their own game. Which is sad really, if the women had stuck together the first time Dan would have been out a lot sooner and his son would have been spared the embarrassment of that happy family visit sandwiched between two harassment claims. The others seriously owe Kellee an apology for the way they backtracked at that tribal even if it was under the guise of "just gameplay" Of course if Dan had gotten the boot that first time we'd never have known he'd do it again and we'd have been debating all of this in a different way but still. I've been wondering about pay, wondering if the contract is written in such a way that Dan gets bupkis or does he drop down to "first voted out" status and everyone that left since gets bumped up one level? Just one of those things that makes me curious. I'll give zero chance of him being on the reunion show but I am also wondering will they address it at all then or let Kellee say anything about it (if she wants to) or just let the elephant hang out in the corner of the room unmentioned I do think that this quote from Probst's E! interview is very, very (very) telling: "When we first told Dan we were pulling him from the game, he was not happy. We talked through everything for quite a while, and by the time he got on the boat to leave he had calmed down and was actually very respectful as he departed." Obviously he went into denial mode but the implication is he got heated about it since he had "calmed down" by the time he got on the boat. But more that he was respectful as he departed ..... which to me reads like he had not been respectful up to then and had maybe been at the very least argumentative before that. I wouldn't be surprised if he took a: who me, they're lying, it was an accident, this is an overreaction stance trying to bully, bluster and bluff his way out of the whole thing.
  3. Wanted to add - Is this bothering me more than it should or is it a legitimate concern? When they were driving to the airport Lauren was in the center back seat and Josiah behind the front passenger (Mom). I thought this wasn't very safe - Josiah had the full seat belt from his seat, shoulder and lap. Pregnant Lauren who has already miscarried once had the center seat lap belt only. If they had crashed or even stopped short quickly enough she wouldn't have flown off the seat but she would have bent in half. Could that have caused another miscarriage or a problem with the pregnancy? Maybe, maybe not but I feel like why take the chance, shouldn't Lauren have been encouraged by her HUSBAND to take the door side seat with the safer seat belt? It is probably not likely to be a problem but I feel like it's a "better safe than sorry" scenario and such a small easy thing for them to coordinate.
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    Just heard Philip McKeon died. Only 55, no details except it was "after a long illness". I remember watching him on Alice as a kid and he hasn't been on TV in a long time so I still think of him as he was on the show. RIP
  5. Lauren has resting bitch face. That does not go well with a drama queen personality. She did manage to smile in the car on the way to the airport but oddly it was a smile facing the camera not anyone else and she somehow managed a thousand yard smile. She really is hard to watch. Poor Abbie, doesn't quite sound like she had hyperemesis but sounds like she was pretty close to it, that has to be the worst. EDITED based on Sew Sumi's post below, didn't know Abbie actually did have HG, it looks like she handled it well but I can't even imagine what it must be like Home birth may have been Jessa's plan all along even while claiming she'd use the hospital but to me Ben's body language and face read like he is just over it and not on board with the minimal medical care, half-trained midwives and relatives overseeing his kids births. Spurgeon insisting that removing Ivy's bow would mean she's now a boy was the absolutely cutest thing, second place to Garret picking daintily at that cake instead of diving into it like everyone thought he would. Also liked Jordan (?was that her?) and the hair color joke - for once a totally age appropriate slightly silly slightly gross mainstream sort of joke you might expect any kid her age to tell. Dad either, that "I'd like to see him do that" comment about JB using his face to smash a cake came across as someone saying I sound like I'm kidding but I totally want him to do that and would actually push his face into the cake if given the chance.
  6. Next week isn't the funeral or the finale. Not sure how they're going to cover it, in the next episode which is E9 - my guess (only a guess) is they'll do Jessa for most of the episode plus the clan meets Ivy then the last 5min or so will be phone calls and people being notified about Grandma Mary and a sort of "to be continued" ending. The next episode airing Dec 17th is TWO HOURS and apparently covers some of the pregnant girls getting together plus another pregnancy announcement (we already know who that is) but the title is "Grandma Duggar Remembered" so I suspect at least the last hour if not more will be dedicated to that. I can't find listings for episodes after that so it's either the finale for Season 10 or a break until after the new year but I suspect it's the finale. Counting On Season 10 Episode 10
  7. I am still unreasonably angry at this episode - and I don't consider myself a big feminist - but that arrest in the bar is just full of BS. The two guy's were clearly harassing Lisa and they placed hands on her trying to force that drink on her. The cop never stepped in then but, she got guy #1 out of the way and she clearly knew guy #2 (a potential threat) was behind her so her being grabbed is a reasonable reaction to thinking that second guy was coming after her. He never yelled that he was police, break it up, no warning at a;;. Did the guys also get arrested and we didn't see it because right now we come away with the impression that it was just her and the reason was decking a cop that basically snuck up on her while she was under attack. I truly hope they don't waste time with a bunch of hearings and we have to go through multiple episodes of her getting lectures and talked down to for this or some crazy "you'll be dishonorably discharged" cliffhanger. Yes as a navel officer she screwed up but it's still not the plot the show needs. The rest of the episode was OK except I'm on the fence about Jason getting a new love interest. On the other hand if it pulls him out of his dirty studio apartment no wife no kids no career funk it would not be a bad thing.
  8. She is exactly the sort of character I hate but not because I'm supposed to hate the character. It's not really new or innovative to use the "misunderstood cop/agent/soldier has a person/division/superior who hates him so they don't listen to anything he says and treat him badly at every turn to their own detriment" as a plot device. In fact to me it's pretty old, over used and, at this point, boring. But throw in a someone who either is written as or the actress portrays her as; so completely over the top she should perhaps be wearing a top hat, black cape and maniacally twisting a thin mustache and it moves from character to caricature. Please show...either tune her down or, better, limit her to just a few episodes then she gets her comeuppance and is gone never to return. Of course they also bring in someone I like and apparently kill him off immediately - I'd love to find out that Shannon survived after all; then maybe he can pop up now and then to help Malcolm out. That was a good episode though and a really good way to go into the holiday break.
  9. The one believable part (as in not set up or re-enacted with a bunch of hired extra's) was the garage sale. That is exactly how garage sales in my area go; huge swarm the minute you start, early birds trying to shop while you setup if you're not lucky enough to have a garage and are doing it on the lawn and the inevitable haggling, if it's $5 they want it for $2 if it's $2 they want it for a quarter. There is a small empathetic part of me, growing ever smaller that wants to feel sorry for Lauren as a human being that's troubled either physically, in her mind or both. There is a bigger part of me growing more prominent every time she's on my screen that thinks she is a combination of attention whore and drama queen. Two things that are very, very terrible to have together made even worse by putting her on TV. Honestly if I were a Duggar girl and she were my SIL I'd probably be stuck keeping sweet in front of the camera's and when the parental units were present but I would be rolling my eyes and hating on her in private or in secret conversations with trusted sisters (excludes Jill the snitch). Josiah is stuck with her 24/7 but even short times with her must just be so tiring, I'd almost be glad when she went to the couch to lie down if I was part of that group.
  10. Anyone here also watch Supernatural? Christian Kane popped up in the previews; looks like hes' going to be in the December 5th episode.. It's about time we got him and Jensen Ackles in the same place.....acting I mean, they've already done some singing together but........little news blurb says the two will have a hot boys night out and do some singing in this SPN episode also.
  11. Sometimes it's too bad the players have to self-censor themselves to keep their game play intact. When Elizabeth gave her speech that was less about herself and more about supporting Missy and how wonderful Missy is and how great her game play is I kept thinking if I were Karishma my first response would be to tell her that everything she's saying and everything she thinks about her alliance/buddies is only because she has her head so far up Missy's ass they're practically one player with Missy as the brains and Elizabeth as the blind foot soldier. Of course even if Karishma was thinking that it's one of those things you just can't say without looking bad to the jury and the rest of the tribe - Sandra seemed to be giving the benefit of the doubt but Rob called it and I think they both know for sure now; Karishma is well and fully the goat. Missy's mistake was actually common; getting to sure of her alliance, her game play and herself so she lost any diplomacy she had even if it was fake and went full on I'm running this game I will tell (not ask) you what to do and when to do it. Not that I'm sorry to see her go but if she had pulled back and played nice even if faking it and kept up that persona and, most important, used the fake nice to get info on what other non-allied people were doing she probably had the smarts to go further.
  12. Yeah I've been debating between kept Pearson and didn't bother to sign the full hyphened name and why take the time to show the actual form instead of just Kate at the table writing. With any other show I'd say it means something for them to show the form and signature, that it's a wasted shot to do that over the shoulder onto the form thing for no reason. On the other hand this is a show that doesn't mind red herrings and misdirection's. So at this point I guess I'd say it caught my eye and made me think but it could mean a lot or nothing at all.
  13. There are going to be a lot of WTF reactions to the future plot with that 9 month time jump near the end but for me the biggest was the quickest moment - Kate signed that police form with the last name Pearson. In just nine months? That is huge, very much need to know what the deal is going to be with that. Edited to add: Also, Griffin Dunne for the Emmy please
  14. OK you guys win, all of you and I am going to take away all the previous benefits of the doubt I ever gave Delilah; that she's stressed, she's hormonal blah, blah).....Nope, she just sucks. Because when you get down to it she is not asking Katherine to be a "good person" and she's not asking Regina to be a good friend, she's demanding that they see and do things her way and only her way. Logic be damned, future consequences be damned and others emotions be damned. Eddie wants a relationship with both his kids and that they know they're brother and sister so they can have a relationship; too bad, Katherine want's both family's stable with some sort of visitation and custody so they can all plan their lives; sorry, do things on my schedule and I'll just ask you to "babysit" when it's convenient for me, everyone says just rip off the band-aid tell Sophie and Danny and help them start dealing with it; sorry I'll keep the secret forever because that never, ever backfired on anyone. Seriously her quest to be perfect and right has made her completely selfish and she's backed into a corner and ganged up on because she painted herself into it with her actions. Well, the show is going very on the nose, in your face with it but Delilah is about to get in a headbutt with reality when the exact scenario she's trying to avoid comes after her in the form of PJ and John and PJ's family. Normally I'd say that plot is a little to obvious but at this point Delilah has become so insufferable I sort of welcome seeing her get that info and link it to her own actions........ let's see what she thinks of keeping secrets then. I think Mitch is abusive; not physical but emotional.......From how he's been presented he seems short tempered and controlling. PJ is nearly 18, born in 2002 he can't be more than a couple of months away from being a legal adult. But Mitch still has his buddies telling him they saw PJ in this or that area of town and Mitch doesn't just ask what did you do today he grills him on it. He stopped PJ during the dog search and his questions were more probing than "hey watcha up to?" and now he was going to Rome's place demanding to know where his son is. When you read it out like that it doesn't sound tooo bad but I feel like it's how he says things and how he loses his temper; there seems to be a certain need for control above and beyond the normal watching out for your kid.
  15. Just want to add one more thing then let this whole episode go............This creates an extremely awkward situation for potential F3. Dan can't win, in theory Dan can't win. With that knowledge though he could be taken to F3 as a goat. But I say "In Theory" because I feel like, right now; with what we've seen and with what we know the tribe has experienced and said, there is the possibility that some of the guys like Aaron actually would vote for Dan. Maybe he can't win or get enough of them on his side but if you take just this episode and project forward to an F3 that includes Dan it seems like there are contestants who would still potentially vote for Dan. I have no spoilers and don't think Dan will make it much further but if he did it would be incredibly awkward watching him in final Q&A, the potential blow back for anyone who did vote for him - the whole thing just puts a negative mark on not just Dan but anyone who plays with him or supports him going forward. Even if they "need" him to further their game it's an incredibly awkward guilt by association scenario.
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