S12.E19: 21st Century Sonja

[pieinmyeye]

1 minute ago, goofygirl said:

Jeebus. That was QUITE the counseling session wasn't it??  Why did Moaner even think she needed to go to say all that self important shit to that guy???  Looking for a date perhaps?

I think she went so she could talk about how wonderful she thinks she is without being interrupted.

[njbchlover]

11 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Oh man, I will never live down how grating Luann’s cabaret coach/manager person’s speaking voice is.  When he said he couldn’t be there because he was having a winter wonderland party on Fire Island, I wept for all of the people who would be subjected to that voice between Manhattan and Fire Island.  What annoys me perhaps the most is that this is under his control and he chooses it.  He doesn’t have a speech impediment.  It’s just a giggly, gravelly mumble that could be improved with one diction lesson.  

Maybe Sonja skipped the rehearsal because she wanted to avoid that voice. 

Did Leah threaten to walk if they didn’t mention her stupid clothing line or something?  We heard about it once at the beginning of the season, and it was discussed last episode and ad nauseam this episode.  I find it less interesting than Skinny Girl, which is only slightly less boring than watching paint dry.  

I don’t know why it took me so long to realize this—Dorinda and Leah are the same person in different forms—they both feel personally wronged if their every action is not met with unconditional acceptance. 

Why do these women get so psycho whenever they get a microphone in their hands?  I’ve said before that I think all five of these women are suffering from mental illness to one extent or the other—the insufferable Carole was the last cast member who seemed sane—but the microphone makes it worse by a factor of five.  

They all, except Luann, whose necklace didn’t work for me, looked pretty horrific at Sonja’s party.  Dorinda was nothing to write home about.  Sonja looked lumpier than usual, which is tough, Ramona was wearing lingerie that she shouldn’t even wear in the privacy of her own home it is so unflattering, and Leah was just a fashion no with the cut out shoulders that were the same color as her skin and the boots that came up higher than the hem of the dress.  Very frumpy all around.  A very disappointing fashion turn-out.  And their personalities ain’t making up for it.  

Well, that just about sums about everything about the "Sonja by Sonja Morgan" (by way of Alibaba or Ali Express) clothing line!!  🙂 

It looked like a lot of cheaply made sequined "disco" wear from the 80's and boring, cheap knits.  

[Axie]

Hey Ramona!  I used to know a woman who frequently shit on herself and didn’t know when it was going to happen.  Unfortunately, she died of cirrhosis of the liver.  Just saying....

[ichbin]

So, apparently Dorinda feels she has "paid" for the right to treat anyone in this group in any way that she pleases?  I'll be sure to remember that the next time I see anyone who I have entertained in my home or given the time of day and expect them to willingly accept and forgive any shitty thing I decide to do or say to them.  

 

31 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

 Luann is a very sneaky grifter, always has been.

I'd like to place Sonja right there next to her.  She'll happily take from Ramona, act like she's her friend, but then stab her in the back over and over when she's with other people or in her talking heads.  

 

 

 

 

[TexasGal]

First, I was surprised that Ramona wasn’t drinking Pinot Grigio. Then, of course she had to be the worst about the red wine.  That wine is too old for me?!  What does that even mean?!  Also, you are sitting outside in Mexico.  That wine is gonna warm up just fine on its own, you don’t need to cup the glass you weirdo.

[Callaphera]

Leah's newest talking head is giving me lots of Marge Simpson in her Chanel suit trying to get in with the country club crowd vibes. I'll take it over the Deee-Lite inspired pizza-in-The-Sims-graphics red and yellow dealio.

[goofygirl]

What IS that shit Leah's wearing with the hand thingies?? AWFUL!  Does she have a skin condition she's trying to cover up?

[ichbin]

12 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

 That wine is too old for me?!  What does that even mean?!

I could be wrong but since she also mentioned that it had already been opened I thought she meant that it had been sitting around uncorked for too long.

[chewycandy]

I’m not sure why Ramona didn’t include a Tyler Perry quote with that anger management article. I enjoyed her coming for Dorinda by saying Dorinda’s social life is lacking. Yes, Dorinda, Ramona wants your life. She would love a seven year long relationship with greasy, sweaty John, to get black out drunk every night, and to have her ass look flatter than a pancake in pants that look like the crocheted afghan on Bunny McSweeney’s couch. 
 

Edited August 21, 2020 by chewycandy

[Stats Queen]

1 minute ago, ichbin said:

I could be wrong but since she also mentioned that it had already been opened I thought she meant that it had been sitting around uncorked for too long.

Yes, she reminded me of a friend who sends everything back at a restaurant and none of the wine is right (but she takes a few gulps before she says that).

Another friend said that she told her once that her food had probably been spit in numerous times.

When we went to hibachi one night, I wondered how she would send food back since it was cooked in front of her. She was fine with the food and surprisingly her drinks that night.

[Rahul]

So those fecal incontinence rumors about Ramona are actually true?! Its time for her to slap on some diapers and retire from this show for good.

[FlyingEgret]

Does Ramona really need someone to hold her drink for her while she drinks it using a straw???  Maybe she can find someone to hold her loose asshole too...

[goofygirl]

Honestly, I thought Ramona was bitching about the red wine because it was COLD.  I must have missed the part where she thought it was too OLD.  And seriously, that's hysterical to think about!

Miss I LOVE PINOT GRIGIO..... What was she thinking drinking RED wine??

And I'm dying over the "fecal incontinence" and "loose asshole" comments!  You guys are killing me!!

Edited August 21, 2020 by goofygirl
LMAO!!

[Ms Blue Jay]

How long is Dorinda going to hold onto the past?  How long is Dorinda going to hold onto Luann's arrest?  SHE IS PSYCHOTIC.

Luann:  We're worried about you.  Ramona says you have a drinking problem.
Dorinda:  At least I wasn't arrested for my drinking.

Luann:  You have a lot of problems with the other women.
Dorinda:  You were once arrested for drinking.

This woman thinks she has free reign to do whatever she wants, be a complete asshole to everyone, be abusive because Luann was arrested once at one of the worst points of her life?  

Dorinda:  No one is allowed to criticize me about anything that happens in the past.  Also 1 minute ago is the past.  Yesterday is the past.  
Also Dorinda:  Luann you were arrested for your drinking and I was there for you kind of , but I also talked shit about you the entire time. So now you owe me for life.

Dorinda does NOT need anyone to be on her side (Leah).  Leah is going to prove more and more useless the more she defends her.

Ramona is finally making sense for once and both Dorinda and Leah are gaslighting her and it's disgusting.

Sonja doesn't realize that being totally okay with Dorinda's abuse doesn't speak well of her.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay

[dosodog]

1 hour ago, goofygirl said:

Jeebus. That was QUITE the counseling session wasn't it??  Why did Moaner even think she needed to go to say all that self important shit to that guy???  Looking for a date perhaps?

And SERIOUSLY.... Ramona can be the new face of Depends!  The hell with Lisa Rinna!  Moaner can do it!  All she has to say is: "I've crapped all over the world before I discovered DEPENDS!  You TOO can crap everywhere honey; and NOTHING can escape this fabulous DEPENDS!"

Yes?

Maybe she can come up with her own line:

Turdal Time Adult Diapers.

💩

Edited August 21, 2020 by dosodog

[Ms Blue Jay]

Luann is so beautiful she doesn't realize that she doesn't need to pile on the makeup in her THs.  She's naturally beautiful; for her less is more.

I have major mother issues and even I think Leah's mother is pretty bad.  Don't tell your kids you don't like them.  Jesus.  

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, ichbin said:

So, apparently Dorinda feels she has "paid" for the right to treat anyone in this group in any way that she pleases?  I'll be sure to remember that the next time I see anyone who I have entertained in my home or given the time of day and expect them to willingly accept and forgive any shitty thing I decide to do or say to them.  

I'd like to place Sonja right there next to her.  She'll happily take from Ramona, act like she's her friend, but then stab her in the back over and over when she's with other people or in her talking heads. 

agree with everything you said x 1000

[SerenityNow721]

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Wait the last we saw she was screaming at Sonja that you will NEVER be in my show! I don’t want you in MY show .... 

yes, but that only lasted one night.  The next morning all was forgiven and they were BFF’s again cause, you know, “drinking”

[Kiss my mutt]

Hasn’t Ramoner has vaginal rejuvenation? Maybe they can try it in her butthole next time. 
 

[swankie]

"You have anger issues!", says the woman who hurled a glass of wine at Kristen and actually drew blood a few seasons back.  True, Dorinda has an anger problem, but at least she hasn't gotten physical with anyone......yet!  

[Bronzedog]

Just now, Kiss my mutt said:

Hasn’t Ramoner has vaginal rejuvenation? Maybe they can try it in her butthole next time. 
 

Too risky.  Someone could get hurt with all the shit flying out of there all the time.

[Kiss my mutt]

5 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Too risky.  Someone could get hurt with all the shit flying out of there all the time.

Might get rid of that brick in her tummy though! 

[swankie]

2 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Well, that just about sums about everything about the "Sonja by Sonja Morgan" (by way of Alibaba or Ali Express) clothing line!!  🙂 

Give me She by Sheree any day!  🤣

[RedDelicious]

I can’t with the incontinence. It’s giving women of a certain age a worse rap than they already have to deal with. It’s not funny and it’s super gross. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, TexasGal said:

First, I was surprised that Ramona wasn’t drinking Pinot Grigio. Then, of course she had to be the worst about the red wine.  That wine is too old for me?! 

Wasn’t her tagline several years ago, “Like a foine wine, I get better with time”? 

[sheetmoss]

My favorite scene, Sonja toeing Ramona's piece of shit on the carpet

Edited August 21, 2020 by sheetmoss

[ivygirl]

Geez those clothes were not flattering. Is Century 21 like Forever 21? I’m only familiar with it thanks to The Carrie Diaries.

In fact something was really off with how they were lit in this evening’s episode. Even LuAnn, who usually looks amazing, reminded me of Samantha in SATC after the extreme peel (or whatever it was). 
 

And was that Tito’s they were lugging into the party? First time I’ve seen that logo blurred on any Bravo show. Are they finally embarrassed to be associated with these shows?

[Iris987]

I loathe Ramona. I really do. I loathe her more than Dorinda(who is a vicious drunk), I loathe her more than Bethenny (who is a mean succubus), I loathe her mangling of the English language, I loathe the way she treats staff, I loathe her politics, I loathe her 50 close girlfriends. Her mere presence offends me and I want her gone.

That is all.

[EtheltoTillie]

The owner of Century 21 was vewy vewy pwoud of Sonja. Paging Baba Wawa. 

I guess I was alone in liking Dorinda’s granny square pants. They were kind of cool. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by GussieK

[esco1822]

7 hours ago, swankie said:

 

"You have anger issues!", says the woman who hurled a glass of wine at Kristen and actually drew blood a few seasons back.

 

That glass was plastic! You cannot possibly hurt anyone with plastic! 😂🤣😂🤣

[SailorGirl]

6 hours ago, GussieK said:

The owner of Century 21 was vewy vewy pwoud of Sonja. Paging Baba Wawa. 

I guess I was alone in liking Dorinda’s granny square pants. They were kind of cool. 

I loved them too. I am not one who fully gets FAS-SHUN all the time but those pants made sense to me as fashion. When she said she got them in London they made even more sense. They were definitely a love them or hate them, you get it or you don't piece.  For once, for some reason, I got it with those pants!!

Edited August 21, 2020 by SailorGirl

[Chit Chat]

9 hours ago, goofygirl said:

Honestly, I thought Ramona was bitching about the red wine because it was COLD.  I must have missed the part where she thought it was too OLD.  And seriously, that's hysterical to think about!

She complained because it was old and cold.   I think that the Noodle had just recently discovered Google.  I heard her say "I love this Google," or something to that effect.  Yes, Ramona, welcome to the information super highway!  

I still hate the way Dorinda laughs in Ramona's face about her fake crying, etc.  It's just rude.  I think that Ramona really does care about her, so there's no need to be so condescending to Ramona about it.  Ramona needs to back away from the entire 'anger' issue and let the chips fall where they may.  That's one friendship she might need to walk away from.   LuAnn needs to quit trying to make sense with Dorinda too.  It's a losing battle.   

[SuprSuprElevated]

10 hours ago, Emmeline said:

There is no point in going to therapy if you aren’t going to be honest with your feelings.  We know deep down Ramona hates being alone.  People that really feel secure don’t go around saying how popular, youthful, beautiful and wonderful they are.  They don’t feel the need to.

Most authentic people that are things and do things, don't feel the need to constantly pay those things lip service.

Those who can, do.  Those who can't, talk about it.

[Sweet-tea]

After last week, I stopped watching this show and BH. I’m down to just Potomac now. It was just too much shrieking, drunkenness and mean girls for me. Reviewing the comments here, it doesn’t look like I missed too much. 

Does anyone know when they’ll air the reunion and if was done in person? I’ll probably check that out. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by Sweet-tea

[SuprSuprElevated]

I'm guessing there is/has been more to Leah's MTTM clothing line than we were shown last night.  Sweatshirts with "MTTM" silkscreened across the chest doesn't seem like a sustainable business model for a line like this, but then again, I've been wrong like 27 times already this morning.

I realize that Nike et al have made billions just doing it, but Leah, you're no Nike.

9 minutes ago, Sweet-tea said:

it doesn’t look like I missed too much. 

You missed the opportunity to burn 42 minutes out of your life, or thereabouts.

Edited August 21, 2020 by SuprSuprElevated

[pasdetrois]

Quote

would poor that bottle of wine over Ramona’s head.

Ramona's an asshole. I kind of love that Dorinda is turning Ramona's fake TV crying back on her.

Ramona poops on the floor, then runs to the bathroom while carefully exposing the top of one breast, flashing a come-hither glance at the camera. And I would give anything to have seen a thought bubble over her psychologist's head as she flounced and vamped on his couch.

[Chit Chat]

10 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

Exactly. I like that  Bunny is honest with Leah and hates her drinking.

Part of Leah's problem is that she needs constant validation from her mother (she said so herself.)   Many of us grew up with parents who came from a time where children weren't coddled (loved, but not smothered,) and we didn't get a parade every time we accomplished something.  A simple "good job" sufficed.   My parents weren't good at saying "I love you," but their daily actions showed me they did.  Leah needs to cut her Mom some slack and realize that maybe she's not the type to constantly heap praise and accolades on people.  It sounds like her Mom is just trying to protect her from her destructive habits.  I just read an article by Carol Burnett in which she talks about her daughter's addiction problems and how tough love comes into play.  She said "you have to love someone so much that you allow them to hate you" when dealing with this issue. 

Obviously I don't know Leah or her mother, but what I have figured out in all of my years is that most parents did the best they could with the information they had.  Maybe Leah should try to understand that her mother is probably just trying to help her in the best way she knows how.  Leah, you're a grown woman.  The time of report cards with gold stars for not peeing in your pants is long past.  Grow up and take responsibility for your damn self. 

[Keywestclubkid]

20 minutes ago, Sweet-tea said:

After last week, I stopped watching this show and BH. I’m down to just Potomac now. It was just too much shrieking, drunkenness and mean girls for me. Reviewing the comments here, it doesn’t look like I missed too much. 

Does anyone know when they’ll air the reunion and if was done in person? I’ll probably check that out. 

I stopped BH also I am still holding on to this show and Potomac right now is the only one that I can still watch without wanting to throw something into the tv lol

[AttackTurtle]

5 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

I'm guessing there is/has been more to Leah's MTTM clothing line than we were shown last night.  Sweatshirts with "MTTM" silkscreened across the chest doesn't seem like a sustainable business model for a line like this, but then again, I've been wrong like 27 times already this morning.

I realize that Nike et al have made billions just doing it, but Leah, you're no Nike.

You missed the opportunity to burn 42 minutes out of your life, or thereabouts.

I switched between the convention and basketball.  I just can’t deal with another episode of abusive drunk Dorinda, ridiculous Ramona, out of place Leah, and delusional Sonja.   I can take Luanne when she’s being fun and the voice of reason.  
 

This business with Dorinda is just gross.  She gets worse every year.  Next week we get to see her abuse John (please let us find out that he dumped her ass and not vice versa).  

Start from scratch or bring back Bethenny.  And even though she bugged the shot out of me, Jill would be a good foil for Dorinda.  Jill doesn’t drink, speaks her mind and hasn’t been arrested.  She is also a widow (although I’m sure Dorinda can find a way to one up her regardless).  

[SweetieDarling]

Leah said her clothing line is only available online, not in stores. So, how does she generate sales? Does she have ads like the ones we see here on the boards? Are we supposed to know, by instinct, what MTTM on a random sweatshirt means? Had anyone here heard of her line before she appeared on the show? I'm just wondering how she thought she was going to make a billion dollars a year and afford her pink private jet with limited to no marketing or distribution, let alone stay afloat. 

[Showthyme]

11 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I don’t know why it took me so long to realize this—Dorinda and Leah are the same person in different forms—they both feel personally wronged if their every action is not met with unconditional acceptance. 

THIS! I have someone in my life that is exactly like this. I couldn’t define the problem until I read this post. This person’s behavior is awful and mean but she gets away with it. Add they are victims too. Constantly feeling slighted. Whew! I feel so much better and can cancel that online therapy appointment now.
 

When is Leah going to grow up and stop wanting her mother’s approval? It is self centered. Went to the Married to the Mob website. It is stuck in adolescent clothing expected of Leah.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Showthyme

[lamujerdecente]

12 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Leah said her clothing line is only available online, not in stores. So, how does she generate sales? Does she have ads like the ones we see here on the boards? Are we supposed to know, by instinct, what MTTM on a random sweatshirt means? Had anyone here heard of her line before she appeared on the show? I'm just wondering how she thought she was going to make a billion dollars a year and afford her pink private jet with limited to no marketing or distribution, let alone stay afloat. 

Leah has terrible fashion sense imo. She reminds me of Ramona, whose style, I hate. They don’t have taste or style, if that makes sense. They dress to their antics, Ramona,since day one on this show, has always dressed like what she thought a sexy ingenue dresses like. She’s never hit that marK. Frankly Ramona is prettiest to me in her bikinis and minimal fuss.

leahs the same way. She would fit in better with the love and hip hop crowd. They buy pricey, trendy fast fashion. Except I think

Leah is old enough in my opinion,wants to be a designer, so why is she such a trendy mess most of the time. Plenty of younger women trend it up in their 30’s but by then they have added their own touch to it. Leah never has a touch to her looks. The clothes wear her. 
 

When u watch the older seasons, pay attention to Bethany and Luann’s style. Luann tacks  up her look with too much sometimes but both her and Bethany’s style holds up the best. 

[geauxaway]

26 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Leah said her clothing line is only available online, not in stores. So, how does she generate sales? Does she have ads like the ones we see here on the boards? Are we supposed to know, by instinct, what MTTM on a random sweatshirt means? Had anyone here heard of her line before she appeared on the show? I'm just wondering how she thought she was going to make a billion dollars a year and afford her pink private jet with limited to no marketing or distribution, let alone stay afloat. 

Never heard of her or MTTM prior to her joining the show.  And like I’ve said before, what I’ve seen of her line, it’s nothing that I couldn’t make on my Cricut.  

[Baltimore Betty]

Why would anyone buy a sweatshirt with an unknown logo for an inflated price when you can get that same manufactured sweatshirt without MTTM ironed on for much less? 

I loved how Leah said there was going to be a fit model coming in then she holds up a large size sweatshirt as if tailoring has to be done to the garment!!  And those tee shirt companies she mentioned said they want to work with them, um, yeah they want to sell their plain tee's to MTTM so then Leah can have her logo added, those tee shirt companies are selling product, they care not what happens to them after.

I also think Leah uses a shared work space, that office is awfully large for an online only biz that may not get much traffic.

[Keywestclubkid]

30 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Leah said her clothing line is only available online, not in stores. So, how does she generate sales? Does she have ads like the ones we see here on the boards? Are we supposed to know, by instinct, what MTTM on a random sweatshirt means? Had anyone here heard of her line before she appeared on the show? I'm just wondering how she thought she was going to make a billion dollars a year and afford her pink private jet with limited to no marketing or distribution, let alone stay afloat. 

Every time she mentions Married to the mob the first thing I think of is  the  old Matthew Modine and Michelle Pfeiffer movie LOL ... Online only is a really hard sell because unless you have a dedicated customer then you are gonna get lost in the shuffle of all the other brands out there ... She is banking on this show giving her label the free publicity that will help her generate sales

[The Ringo Kidd]

Dorinda has really killed this franchise if the lack of posts here is any indication.

[laprin]

I visited Leah’s online store and was shocked by how basic the clothing is. There are no fashions just t-shirts, sweatshirts and sweatpants. They look like something I would see at any Wal-mart. The writing on the shirts IS not clever or even unique. I now get why she’s on the show. She needs an audience for her brand. I find it hard to believe she sells enough to eek out a living in NYC.

[Pondlass1]

I just cannot get over how rude they are to the staff. They continue yelling at each other and flapping and waving arms about in the  air while wait staff are attempting to clear the table. It’s so rude. The words ‘thank you’ once in a while would be nice. Still, at least these gals eat.....

Dorit spends hours and hours getting her hair coiffured to sit down at a breakfast table,  whereas Sonja shows up at her fancy dancy clothing launch with bed head. Looked like she’d just got up.

Dorinda is horrible. And I don’t think it’s for the cameras or grabbing the spotlight or for a storyline. In fact I don’t think the producers of RHONY bother much with storylines, they ply them with free alcohol and let rip.  There’s no hope for Dorinda, she goes off on a vicious sarcastic ridden rampage whenever she feels the least bit slighted.  It’s not fun to watch. She thinks she’s entitled to behave this way I guess.

 

[OdinO.]

12 hours ago, esco1822 said:

Leah’s problem in light stems from what her mother is eating right now. Who in the holy hell enjoys that as a meal? A psychopath, that’s who. 

Who still eats rice cakes? Why bother eating? Steamed broccoli is gross. At least roast it.

[Mr. Miner]

I was surprised to see Ramona packing her own shit stained clothes. She's so considerate of the "servants".