S12.E19: 21st Century Sonja

[OnceSane]

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On the ladies' last night in Cancun, Ramona addresses Dorinda's anger issues in a group text; in New York City, Leah works to improve her relationship with her mother; Ramona sees a therapist; Luann preps for a cabaret workshop; Sonja hosts a party.

Airs August 20, 2020.

[Keywestclubkid]

And here we go 

[jaybird2]

i can't get bravo on streaming so i'm depending on y'all to keep me informed

[Keywestclubkid]

Those pants are hideous 

[Straycat80]

WTF Is Dorinda wearing? It’s my Grandma’s granny square afghan! And with glitter! Oh my! Tacky.

And could Ramona stop pooping all over that house, she better pack Depends next time. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by Straycat80

[pieinmyeye]

Why am I so surprised Ramona did that? I would be beyond pissed if I were one of the other women.

What in the hell is Dorinda wearing? It looks like grandma threw in some sparkles when she crocheted the afghan that hangs on the back of the couch.

[Keywestclubkid]

Why can these woman not control their bowels??? 

[Steph J]

I swear to God these women talk about poop more than little kids do.

[Mindthinkr]

3 minutes ago, jaybird2 said:

i can't get bravo on streaming so i'm depending on y'all to keep me informed

It’s not just you, but I have one tv connected to cable so that’s the only reason I can watch. It was the only channel not streaming too. 

[nexxie]

Jeez, these codependent crazies!

[Emmeline]

I can’t blame Ramona for trying with Dorinda.  She might not be going about it in the right way but my god, Dorinda needs an intervention.  I’m talking about her anger and her drinking.  They should never have let her get away with what she did to Tinsley.  I hope before the end of the season I feel some schadenfreude for the women confronting Dorinda.

5 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Those pants are hideous 

And the crotch was hanging too low.  I guess Dorinda doesn’t have a puffy p.

[Keywestclubkid]

Let me be an angry person and accept it .... No Dorinda No 

[jaybird2]

1 minute ago, Mindthinkr said:

It’s not just you, but I have one tv connected to cable so that’s the only reason I can watch. It was the only channel not streaming too. 

maddening ...it;s the only channel can't get..it's stuck on an add.

[Mindthinkr]

Just now, jaybird2 said:

maddening ...it;s the only channel can't get..it's stuck on an add.

Yup. For Mazda 

[Steph J]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Let me be an angry person and accept it .... No Dorinda No 

Today I learned that having a hair trigger temper and treating your friends like shit is "the minutiae."

[nexxie]

In the moment, when Dorinda is acting out, they need to say no fucking way - and, like any bully, she’ll slink off somewhere. And they should never apologize for drawing a line.

(That’s if they want to hang out with her at all - I wouldn’t.)

Edited August 21, 2020 by nexxie

[Stats Queen]

Dorinda needs to go far, far away from my TV screen, preferably to rehab. However, her rock bottom doesn’t seem to exist. You can’t even talk to her.

Poop vs. Dorinda - which is a bigger problem? Poop you can clean up.

[jaybird2]

Just now, Mindthinkr said:

Yup. For Mazda 

mine starts  out with mazda and ends with walmart

[Straycat80]

I would fail as a waitress, I would poor that bottle of wine over Ramona’s head. Picky McPickerson. 

[Steph J]

1 minute ago, nexxie said:

In the moment, when Dorinda is acting out, they need to say no fucking way - and, like any bully, she’ll slink off somewhere. And they should never apologize for drawing a line.

They should recreate that scene from 12 Angry Men when the one juror starts ranting and everyone else just turns away and refuses to give him their attention.  Let her deflate as she realizes that by being so hateful she's made herself irrelevant to the people around her.

[Mr. Miner]

Dorinda is an insufferable fucking hag! 😟

[Keywestclubkid]

Why was I left out? Pouts like a child... because you make excuses for Dorinda .. you literally just said accept dorindas apology even if it’s fake and sweep it under the rug ... thats the exact reason they are where they are now because everyone just accepts her fake apologies and sweeps it under the rug and she thinks she can get away with it Leah. 

[Mindthinkr]

The only person complaining about the wine was Ramona. Wine snob is now being added to my list of things she is a snob about. 
Friend snob. Label snob. Food snob. One of those I can do no wrong snobs who oops craps on the floor. Literally. 

[jaybird2]

sounds like a sh-t show tonight...don't they get intestinal problems with every trip

[LibertarianSlut]

I actually lol’ed when Ramona sent the anger article as a group text.  That wasn’t passive aggressive; it was actually a really functional way to discuss a sensitive topic without singling anyone out.  Interesting that Dorinda would think it was directed at her though.  If the shoe fits...

”It’s ok, you can have my life”?  What a strange thing to say.  What exactly would have been Dorinda’s response if Ramona were to take Dorinda up on that offer?  Epic fail in trying to get a rise out of her too.

Luann trying to sit down with Dorinda and discuss her attack in the mildest, least aggressive manner humanly possible is Exhibit Q as to why confronting Dorinda directly is an exercise in futility.  

Dorinda gets a word in her head and uses it on a loop.  Schadenfreude.  Deflect.  Minutiae.  Ay, dios mios, we got it the first time!!

I hate myself, but I love Leah’s new pink satin jacket with black buttons in her talking heads.  Very eighties chic.  

Ramona was being a pain in the ass about that wine, Luann was on a high horse about the text message, Dorinda is Dorinda, Sonja is shitty background noise and Leah actually made me laugh when she said, “what did you do?  And why wasn’t I on the group text message?!?”  Is Leah my favorite character this episode?  

[janiema]

Ramona is right - Dorinda doesn’t want to get it.

[Keywestclubkid]

Dorinda gaslights you until you give up ... I will say this again she is just like an abusive spouse ... and these woman are so scared of her they are backing down ... that’s fucked up 

[Mindthinkr]

All that wine is giving Ramona a big belly. 

[Stats Queen]

2 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Dorinda gaslights you until you give up ... I will say this again she is just like an abusive spouse ... and these woman are so scared of her they are backing down ... that’s fucked up 

She really is like a drunk, abusive spouse. I know from personal experience. That was luckily a long time ago and my wonderful hubby and I celebrated our 25th Wedding Anniversary a couple of weeks ago. We had a big party, we went hiking in a State Park (damn COVID)

[Keywestclubkid]

She deflects she gaslights she belittles you she makes you the bad guy then sits there with a smirk because she has beaten you down so much you just give up... she is a Nasty vile woman .. I don’t give a fuck that she invites you to her house in the Berkshires if she’s gonna treat you like that afterwords it’s not worth it ... good god Jon run away 

[Mr. Miner]

Ramona left out very rude.

[Straycat80]

I’m rolling my eyes so hard now at Ramona patting herself on the back at the shrinks, my eyes just popped out of my ears. 

[pieinmyeye]

I’ll be damned, Dorinda has a house in the Berkshires. Did any of you know that?

[Baltimore Betty]

30 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Why can these woman not control their bowels??? 

I can say that vacation eating is not the same as eating on your home turf, eating too much or food you do not normally eat can throw your digestive system in to a mess...also drinking more than you eat is probably not good.  I have Crohn's and it is hard to pinpoint what upsets the apple cart with me, it can be a few days before I am back to normal so I cannot hate any of those women for having intestinal distress...the crazy anger issues I cannot understand but the stomach issues, yes.

 

[Keywestclubkid]

Wait the last we saw she was screaming at Sonja that you will NEVER be in my show! I don’t want you in MY show .... 

[Mr. Miner]

Luann’s cabaret doesn’t seem like something that will survive after COVID. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[LibertarianSlut]

I can’t help but find it funny when Dorinda mocks Ramona to her face when Ramona confronts her.  It’s a very even match, so I don’t feel bad for either party.  

This is a funny episode.  When Ramona put on her sincere voice to Dorinda about how dear Dorinda was to her, and Sonja went, all matter-of-factly, “here we go,” it was so funny.  No one has any tolerance for bullshit on this show, sometimes to the point of brutality, and it happens to work amongst this particular group.  They all all “broads” and I’m kind of here for it.  

I am very interested in Ramona’s theory as to why Luann is so far up Dorinda’s ass and the perks she’s getting from it.  That was the first time I’d heard this and it rang true.  Luann is a very sneaky grifter, always has been.  I remember her How They Got Here special, when she said she had to thank the men in her life for getting her so far.  Luann knows on which side her bread is buttered if she knows nothing else.  

Leah, the “smart fucking cookie.”  Funnily enough, it’s been a season and I have seen very little that is smart.  I’ve seen selfishness, insecurity, belligerence, rudeness, and intimidation.  But I guess the difference between these qualities and smarts is *minutiae.*

Ramona is so funny in her lack of self-awareness.  She’s more than just her sensual body!  Who knew?  Who even knew Ramona had a sensual body?  I see two over-inflated water balloons attached to a watermelon.  

[Emmeline]

4 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

I’m rolling my eyes so hard now at Ramona patting herself on the back at the shrinks, my eyes just popped out of my ears. 

There is no point in going to therapy if you aren’t going to be honest with your feelings.  We know deep down Ramona hates being alone.  People that really feel secure don’t go around saying how popular, youthful, beautiful and wonderful they are.  They don’t feel the need to.

[Keywestclubkid]

I 100% get it you can love someone and still have days you don’t like them .. doesn’t mean you don’t love them at all 

[esco1822]

This just in, (years and years ago), Dorinda is a sociopath.

 

[Straycat80]

4 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I 100% get it you can love someone and still have days you don’t like them .. doesn’t mean you don’t love them at all 

Exactly. I like that  Bunny is honest with Leah and hates her drinking.

Isn’t Dorinda’s mother still around? I wonder if she watches the show and how she feels about her daughters drinking problem. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by Straycat80

[Baltimore Betty]

Dorinda's crocheted bedazzled granny square pants were terrible, they looked like really heavy to wear and not very Mexico al fresco dining.  

There was a Century 21 store in Philadelphia, I would leave empty handed every visit. 

Ramona has a drink holder?

 

[janiema]

Never change Ramona!

Those clothes looked awful.

[Keywestclubkid]

I don’t have movement in my hand .. cut to her moving the hand lol ...

[Emmeline]

Sonja’s hair at Century 21 looked like she took a nap and didn’t comb it afterward.

oh my god, John on the preview!?

[esco1822]

Leah’s problem in light stems from what her mother is eating right now. Who in the holy hell enjoys that as a meal? A psychopath, that’s who. 

[LibertarianSlut]

Oh man, I will never live down how grating Luann’s cabaret coach/manager person’s speaking voice is.  When he said he couldn’t be there because he was having a winter wonderland party on Fire Island, I wept for all of the people who would be subjected to that voice between Manhattan and Fire Island.  What annoys me perhaps the most is that this is under his control and he chooses it.  He doesn’t have a speech impediment.  It’s just a giggly, gravelly mumble that could be improved with one diction lesson.  

Maybe Sonja skipped the rehearsal because she wanted to avoid that voice. 

Did Leah threaten to walk if they didn’t mention her stupid clothing line or something?  We heard about it once at the beginning of the season, and it was discussed last episode and ad nauseam this episode.  I find it less interesting than Skinny Girl, which is only slightly less boring than watching paint dry.  

I don’t know why it took me so long to realize this—Dorinda and Leah are the same person in different forms—they both feel personally wronged if their every action is not met with unconditional acceptance. 

Why do these women get so psycho whenever they get a microphone in their hands?  I’ve said before that I think all five of these women are suffering from mental illness to one extent or the other—the insufferable Carole was the last cast member who seemed sane—but the microphone makes it worse by a factor of five.  

They all, except Luann, whose necklace didn’t work for me, looked pretty horrific at Sonja’s party.  Dorinda was nothing to write home about.  Sonja looked lumpier than usual, which is tough, Ramona was wearing lingerie that she shouldn’t even wear in the privacy of her own home it is so unflattering, and Leah was just a fashion no with the cut out shoulders that were the same color as her skin and the boots that came up higher than the hem of the dress.  Very frumpy all around.  A very disappointing fashion turn-out.  And their personalities ain’t making up for it.  

[JD5166]

2 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

Leah’s problem in light stems from what her mother is eating right now. Who in the holy hell enjoys that as a meal? A psychopath, that’s who. 

Rice cakes and fucking broccoli.THE FUCK? 

[esco1822]

“Corner table. Truffles up the...chicken’s ass.” What in the world is Sonja talking about??

[goofygirl]

Jeebus. That was QUITE the counseling session wasn't it??  Why did Moaner even think she needed to go to say all that self important shit to that guy???  Looking for a date perhaps?

And SERIOUSLY.... Ramona can be the new face of Depends!  The hell with Lisa Rinna!  Moaner can do it!  All she has to say is: "I've crapped all over the world before I discovered DEPENDS!  You TOO can crap everywhere honey; and NOTHING can escape this fabulous DEPENDS!"

Yes?

Edited August 21, 2020 by goofygirl