I don’t hate Kyle at all. The only time I hated her was season one, when she was queen of mean and ditzy. Something about her standing up and cheering for the Lakers at the Kings game that Adrienne flew them to privately did something to me. I was totally on Camille’s side season one. And that sort of stretched into season two when Kim hid Brandi’s crutches and Kyle did a talking head of “that’s the Kim I know!” Since then, I think she’s changed a lot, she’s become more vulnerable, she’s let us into her life. I like her kids. I liked her husband, until he apparently became a stoner, and I think Kyle is a warm person who has flaws.
I just can’t deal with Kyle’s stories. Last season in Provence, remember she choked up about her “eating disorder” where she would sometimes swap out a V8 juice for a meal and she was down to only 99 lbs? Kyle is 5’2” or 5’3”. Weighing 99 lbs at that height in one’s early twenties doesn’t exactly set off alarm bells; it’s just being a skinny person. Similarly, with this story about sex, I know it was for a game, but it didn’t have a beginning, middle and end. A proper story, for me, is like, “the first time I had sex, my sister told my mom and we had to have a family meeting and I was so embarrassed and I was grounded for a month. I never saw the guy again, because my mom called his mom, and my mom never let me shut the door again until I was in college.”
Kyle’s story was like, “the first time I had sex, there was a family meeting. And Kathy! And Kim!” Like, ok, where is the story there? I noticed something creepy about that story too—Kyle wouldn’t reveal her age when she was caught and at first I thought it was so it wouldn’t embarrass Mauricio, but then I realized she said that Kim saw the two of them having sex and pulled the covers off. Kim is four years older than Kyle. So, what’s the earliest Kyle would have been having sex? Fourteen? Fifteen? That means Kim would have been an adult who walked in on her teenage sister having sex and instead of shutting the door or telling their mom, she did something really abnormal and almost incestuous. I don’t think that was the best story.
I’ll also call Kyle out anytime she displays bad behavior, just like I call each and every one of them out or there would be no point for me to watch the show. I do like Kyle though. Despite the bullshit, there’s something down to earth about her that I don’t recognize in, say, Erika. That’s ok if that’s an UO. I have many of those.
As far as Denise telling the waiter she is allergic to garlic, and I said that annoyed me as a former server, it’s not the message that’s being conveyed; I said that in my original post. I don’t like the bitch, but I don’t think she should suffer an allergic reaction so that some waiter doesn’t have to write something down.
My impression was that she was being condescending with the “sorry” and the smirk. I don’t like when people say they’re sorry for things that don’t need apologies, and it’s really not a big deal to have the cook take something out of the dish. Last season on RHOC, Braunwyn wanted a milk substitute for her coffee, which is fine—I don’t love milk in my coffee either—but she was so little-girly about it and hemming and hawing that it bothered me. Everyone just order like an adult to an adult. When I saw Denise do this, it reminded me of the time at the beginning of the season when she started dressing down the waiter for bringing her the wrong tequila in New York, and now I’m starting to see a pattern. It’s so easy to say, “this isn’t what I ordered. Please take it back and bring me the Patron” or whatever, instead of making it a big deal. And if the eating establishment messes up in any way that significantly impacts a dining experience, they should comp the meal or the drink. But you have to speak to a manager to get that. The only time I think one should get into it with the wait staff is when the staff is actually being rude.
In what might be a tiny defense of Denise, when I was in Rome, the vast majority of the servers were middle-aged men, and a lot of them had a chip on their shoulder. I think it’s because the tipping system is different over there. Maybe she sensed passive-aggression from the waiter, and was serving it back. The only point I’m trying to make here is that I don’t care if Denise modifies her meal for any reason in the world. It’s just, ask like a person, not like an entitled prick. I never would have even noticed it if the New York/tequila thing hadn’t happened.
I agree with some of this. I don’t think Brandi saying, “well at least I’m not doing crystal meth in the bathroom” made her a liar. She was implying that Kim was doing crystal meth in the bathroom, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she had been. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Mauricio had cheated on Kyle. I agree with you that Kyle can’t have it both ways and say on the one hand that Brandi is telling the truth about Denise, and on the other hand, Brandi was lying with regard to Kyle’s family repeatedly. That’s a good point.
I was thinking about this last night, and I remember something totally different in the season nine war between Camille and Dorit. To my recollection—and I watched it when it aired, and right before this season aired—Camille’s house just burned down, so no one was going to be mean to her, and she came to the restaurant and repeatedly told them to bring any issues they had to her, and they did, and Camille retorted by saying that PK owes millions of dollars to a close friend of hers, Dorit denied it and was somewhat taken aback, but she didn’t shy away from the issue. I think they both knew it made for good TV. Denise was the one who shut it down, and I remember posting at the time that I found that very annoying, because who is she to control Camille or Dorit’s narratives?
They have spoken about the lawsuits against PK, Tom and Mauricio at the season nine reunion. All three women had to answer for the rumors. That was when Kyle got very defensive and started making fun of the name or place of origin of the questioner, and it was a really bad look for her.
Lisa has had Harry brought up on camera, and she decided to break a glass on a boat in Amsterdam. If the glass-breaking was that scary that no one dare utter his name five seasons later, then they are just a group of chickens, but I don’t think it’s Lisa’s job to survey the group about their opinion of her marriage; people should have the balls enough to bring it up on their own if they want to.
Kyle has had to deal with the Mauricio cheating allegations in season four, and somehow got away from them, whether people believe it or not (and I don’t totally believe it, so she didn’t completely live that one down to this day).
Denise is not a victim here. She can and should bring up all of these incidents and more if she wants to. I think that makes great TV. I’ve also said repeatedly that I love a fighter, and if she started fighting back, below the belt or not, I would, ironically, start to root for her. If people are actually making shit up about her whole cloth—which I don’t believe they are—make up shit about them whole cloth. In season two of Real Housewives of Melbourne (my favorite—when are you coming back, Melbourne??), Janet heard Gamble was saying some really mean shit about her that I believed was true, and Janet didn’t even bat an eye and said to Gamble, “I heard you’re doing heroin!” Good for her. No one signed up for The Real Saints of Beverly Hills, or The Real Martyrs of Malibu. Go big or go home.
While it may not be the most trackable story to tell how these women’s husband’s are either in lawsuits or Canada or both, I have confidence that they can make hay of it if they want to. Lynn Curtin’s daughter getting the eviction notice on season five of Real Housewives of Orange County was great TV.
So if Denise wants to keep pretending she’s on another show—a show that allows you to cut and keep things off air, perhaps the way her old reality show on E! allowed—she is going to keep getting stepped on. Everyone on this show had to take their licks to one extent or another. Kyle literally cornered Lisa in Mexico about her allegations about Kim being close to death. “The view” of Erika’s vulva was discussed for an entire season. Dorit had cocaine allegations made against her. Erika almost cold-clocked Teddi for saying she had “pretend amnesia.” Kyle is still smarting from the beating her reputation took for going to LVP’s house to say she didn’t believe her about the tabloids. The only one who hasn’t had the shit beaten out of them metaphorically is Garcelle, and maybe next season it’s her turn, or maybe she just gives off the vibe that she can’t be fucked with. But Denise has to learn to run with the big dogs.
If someone accused me of sleeping with Brandi, on or off camera, I’d deny it once in a calm voice. I might laugh about it a little. If I had slept with her, and I didn’t want people to know, I wouldn’t talk about it, and if I didn’t think it was their business, I’d calmly say, “I’m not sure that’s any of your business.” If I was confronted once about whether I said people were cold hard bitches, etc, and I hadn’t said it, I’d state once that I hadn’t said it and I’d return to my meal. If I had said it, I’d cop to it and explain why in a no-nonsense matter. If they kept hocking me past the point that I thought it was pleasant, I would say, “you’re making this meal unpleasant for me and this is inappropriate.” I guarantee another fight would have broken out around the table in the time it took me to utter three or four sentences. Worst case scenario, I’d have to excuse myself from the table like Erika did in Provence and we’d resume the discussion at a cooler time. When Denise engages in all the fragility and the histrionics, she becomes her own worst enemy.
She’s kind of reminding me of Tinsley on RHNYC—if you are a forty-something year old woman and you refuse to stand your ground against other women, then how can I be expected to stand behind you? If you fight, even if you’re wrong, I’ll pick up on that spirit and back you. I can’t back a person who returns to the well of women who are hazing them time and time again without a game plan or a cogent defense.