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  1. They stayed quiet, but they were making all those sexual gestures -- if Scott doesn't like to be embarrassed, and it seems like he wants to keep his life (and his life/relationship with Tinsley) off camera, I totally get why she wouldn't call him at all, let alone to demand an ultimatum. If you know this about the person you're in a relationship with, and you witness what they just did to Dorinda, would you then turn around and call your boyfriend, knowing how they'll act, and that he will see it? Even after that fact and with her having ample opportunity to warn him about what happened and what would be broadcast, he would still be embarrassed. Flip the switch -- if it was me and a bunch of guys were encouraging my boyfriend to call his me and they made sexual gestures, I would be embarrassed too -- its a lack of respect for the other person and the relationship. Tinsley, unlike the others, does not put aside her respect for others to act up and out on the show. If the situation with Scott was already tense and she was walking on eggshells anyway, throwing in behavior that was disrespectful to the relationship wasn't going to help and she knew that and stood her ground. Like others, I blame Dale for much of Tinsley's relationship situation. Tinsley was raised with the attitude that your entire life goal should be to be a wealthy socialite wife. Different way of thinking from a different generation. I was raised similarly -- old school Italian parents whose entire goal was to raise a daughter to be a proper country club wife. You defer to your husband -- he is the breadwinner, you are the shiny object on his arm. And if he cheats, well honey, you just look the other way and get a nice piece of jewelry out of it! You can never be too rich or too thin, etc. My aunt once told my cousin that she couldn't find a relationship because she didn't know how to market herself. But its a different world now, and the way the Dales of the world, my parents, etc., operated and raised their kids is not how the world and relationships work today, and Tinsley is finally seeing that. I think a lot of her struggle is because she is seeing that how she was programmed to believe she should be -- a pretty, quiet doormat who is a lady in public and his sex toy in private -- is just not how the world and relationships work anymore, and if you act like the doormat you were raised to be, you're going to get walked on (kicked, beaten, and emotionally run over). She's been raised to believe that you do whatever you need to to get that rich man. Who cares if he's controlling (whether physically or emotionally?) You adapt yourself. Its YOUR fault if you can't keep him. He's going to be who he is, its up to you to change to make HIM happy. But she's starting to see that isn't the case and the conflicting mentalities are wearing her out. That's why the best thing she can do is stay the fuck away from Dale and her antiquated ideas of relationships. Tinsley could be a dynamo power force 100% on her own. And once she truly embraced that instead of assuming she has to adjust who she is to suit a man, she would likely attract a really great guy. Love or hate Bethenny, (I'm in the love her category), she was very kind to Tinsley once she saw how tormented she was by trying to force the Scott relationship. Bethenny gave her some good advice about being her own person and standing up for herself, and that relationships need to be about what both people want and need, not solely what the man wants or needs -- basically the opposite of what Dale has been drilling into Tinsley since birth. Bethenny's message is what Tinsley needs to be hearing, not Dale's antiquated nonsense.
  2. SailorGirl

    S09.E10: A Supreme Snub

    As Walnut Queen said. This is simply not true. And I am proof of that. This mentality that a woman would tell someone no matter what contributes to women not being believed if and when they do finally speak out, even if it is years and years later. I never told anyone. Not one single person. My mention here that I was in a situation when I was 19 -- and I'm 51 -- is the first I've ever said. And even now I haven't -- and won't -- go into detail. As I said earlier, I can remember where, when, how it happened, time of day, and what I was wearing. And before jumping to a conclusion that I was somehow wearing something that made this man think I was "asking for it" (and that's a whole other issue), it was in an office. I was in professional business clothes. It was a friend of my father's --a "great guy!" No one would have believed me. Would I even be mentioning it here, now, in passing, if the conversation hadn't gone mainstream through #metoo? Absolutely not. 100% absolutely not. I would go the rest of my life having never told anyone. It is a dangerous assumption to think that women will always tell someone. Fear, embarrassment, shame, the feeling that somehow you brought this on yourself, are powerful motivators to keep quiet. We live in a male-dominated society. Its getting better but its still not great. And it was worse years ago, and even worse years before that. Yet another reason why #metoo matters. Some people who were blind to it before are starting to see how truly vast the problem is -- a problem that was always there but that was rarely spoken about. So I'm going to fix it for ya': "they ALWAYS TALK RARELY TALK to someone." You now have feedback from someone who is proof your statement is false. If you are espousing to those around you that someone couldn't have been in a situation because they didn't talk to someone, you very well may be preventing someone close to you from speaking out about something that may have happened to them years ago, or even more recently, because you are, in essence, telling them if they didn't say something immediately, then it couldn't have happened because they didn't talk to someone at the time.
  3. SailorGirl

    S09.E10: A Supreme Snub

    Fixed -- I knew it was Phillips but my brain clearly went to Moore. Thank you! 😎
  4. SailorGirl

    Traitors

    Discovered this last night -- and didn't go to sleep until I'd binged all six episodes. Today is a tough day at work, but totally worth it! Do we know if there's a second series/season in the works? PLEASE OH PLEASE!
  5. SailorGirl

    S09.E10: A Supreme Snub

    Its fact that Dorit didn't follow VDPD's rules to return the dog to them and that she gave away the dog without vetting the new home. She has admitted that much. Who gave the items to Radar Online is the issue being debated, not the puppy-dumping. The facts around that are what they are; Dorit and the others are just trying to change the perception around those facts (and not succeeding). In every week's thread, there's been at least one comment that the bottom line is the way Dorit handled giving up the dog and that the leaks to tabloids are secondary and perception manipulation, on either side.
  6. SailorGirl

    S09.E10: A Supreme Snub

    Thank you. That's the difference. Its one thing to spread rumors, its another for the person who received the unwanted, uninvited, unasked-for actions to make the accusation and be willing to stand up in the face of those saying "it didn't happen" and say, "oh yes it did and here's how/when/where/ etc." Has Julianne Moore Phillips ever done so? If it did happen, she clearly felt she wouldn't be believed, and would have been raked through the coals for accusing a very popular male actor of egregious behavior. Its likely that if it did happen, she felt she wouldn't be believed if she brought it out. And that's one of the fundamental reasons for why #metoo matters so much. Even though I didn't feel comfortable saying anything about my situation, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If it did come out, I to this day (19 when this happened, 51 now), remember it like it was yesterday. I remember what I was wearing, where it happened, and how the entire situation went down. 32 years later. and she was disciplined for her actions. Under harsher scrutiny, her story would have likely fallen apart quickly, as most (not all) false accusation stories do. Blasey-Ford's story held up. That's the difference.
  7. SailorGirl

    S09.E10: A Supreme Snub

    Dorit at Denise's house about sitting on the blanket covering the dog fur: "well that's what happens when you have a dog." HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU KNOW YOU POS? You honestly think anyone buys you let that dog on the furniture for the brief amount of time you had it? I really really hope she does not come back next season. I don't typically react to tv personalities very strongly, but man, this bitch just needs to STFU and GO. AWAY. Also, Camille? There's a big difference between a reality tv star going through a public divorce and having things said about her compared to a nominee to the freakin' SUPREME COURT who is supposed to be ABOVE REPROACH, making legal decisions that impact THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. I can take or leave Rinna -- not real happy how she is going so hard for VDP, but she made valid points regarding Dr. Blasey-Ford's testifying -- WTF would she have put herself through that if there wasn't something there? The woman couldn't even return to her home for months due to the death threats and threats of violence she was receiving. What person in their right mind would say, sure, sign me up for that because . . . politics. Yeah, no. Also Camille? Its great that NOW teenage girls feel more empowered to speak up, but speaking as someone who graduated H.S. in 1985 and had one of my father's friends make a pass at me two years later. . . I never told a soul about it. I think this is the first time I've ever even mentioned it in any way. And that's all I ever need to say about it. Never told ANY of my friends, certainly never told my parents! My father wouldn't have believed me -- "he's such a great guy!" Yeah, except when a pretty 19 year old is around . . . Its BECAUSE of those types of situations that so many women experienced that the conversations happening today are happening at all. Its because so many of us felt like we couldn't say anything then that we are speaking up now, so that the generation coming up now will know they can -- and should -- speak up. Get over yourself Camille. If you are up for the next Supreme Court appointment, then you can compare your situation. Until then, STFU and get over yourself. #believewomen #metoo
  8. If this is accurate, its a b.s. attempt -- an attorney can't be disbarred simply for representing someone who screwed you over. Judicial process in this country is that everyone is entitled to representation. Whether or not they are scum isn't the issue. If there's a buck to be made, a lawyer will step up. If it hadn't been Camille's husband, it would have been someone else. Someone is (understandably) bitter. That's why there's so many lawyer jokes!
  9. SailorGirl

    Good Girls

    My immediate thought regarding the new store manager was that he's undercover FBI assigned to befriend Annie. But wow did they get friendly! In real life there are stories of undercover agents going to extreme lengths to maintain their cover, so who knows, especially since this show does take liberties with reality alignment. He just seemed way too cool, way too accommodating, and way too interested in Annie right off the bat. If he's not FBI, that's not the way you manage a business. . .
  10. That really wasn't my point. . . it had nothing at ALL to do with rights or anything else. Purely an aesthetic request! 😄
  11. SailorGirl

    Good Girls

    I just watched this episode on demand and something just randomly popped into my head. When Ruby was sitting in the FBI agent's office, he didn't specifically say he wanted Beth. He said he wanted "her." Suppose he's after Mary Pat? She's lied to him again and again and knew a lot of details about how Boomer got chopped up -- maybe our girls will come up with a way to manipulate it all toward Mary Pat. . . I'm sure Agent Turner was talking about Beth but I did find it interesting that they made the intentional choice for him to say "I want HER" instead of "I want Beth." . . .
  12. What . . . they couldn't give us a Tom Ellis as Lucifer crossover now that Netflix is producing season 4 of Lucifer? I realize his Lucifer is much more comedic than what would work with the Sabrina show, but I sure would have liked to see Tom Ellis in that balcony shot at Dorian's! (I'll not spoiler that -- trust me, you'll enjoy it)!
  13. SailorGirl

    S17.E04: Survive in Style

    OMG -- THANK YOU! I knew they reminded me of something but I couldn't figure out what -- that's EXACTLY IT!! 😄
  14. SailorGirl

    S17.E04: Survive in Style

    I'm still loving Kovid's personality but I too think he should have gone home. If part of the reason Afa went home is because his model was cold, then that's not a fair consideration. They said survival, but I don't recall them specifying the climate or conditions of survival. Did they specify it had to be wilderness/camping survival? Afa's survival conditions were on a boat -- which is where you need lines (ropes), fishing lures, etc. She wouldn't have been cold in the conditions he designed the dress for. . . . EDIT: Should have read the full thread -- many others commented on this before me . . .:-D
  15. SailorGirl

    S11.E05: Shark Bait

    I took it differently. As someone who hasn't been in the greatest place for the past several years (some fault of my own; some the fault of others), I am working really hard to get back to doing the things I was doing when I was happy, when things were going well, and I felt like my life was what I wanted it to be. I know it won't ever be exactly the same, but I hope to get back to that point at some level. Tinsley said she that's essentially what she is trying to do -- rebuild her life in New York and get back at least some of where and who she was when she felt like her life was good and she was happy, and that the charitable work she used to do was one of the reasons she felt that way. In her world -- both financially and socially when she was married to Topper -- philanthrophy is what you do. Someone else may not agree with that world, and/or may not understand that world, but it is her world, and being an active and well-known part of it is some of what made her happy. Sure, there's ego in there, but there's ego in most things for anyone who has some level of notoriety. Its nice for people to know who you are, especially in worlds where status and being known matter (not saying that's right or wrong, just saying that in some worlds, it does matter). It makes you feel like you are truly a part of it, if you're known for being involved with or considered an integral part of it. She was the "IT GIRL." If she wasn't at an event, or part of an event, then the event had less cache. Taking the ego out of it, I think that's pretty cool! But its also a lot to carry, and when things don't go well, the spotlight shines on you just as hard as when things are going great. The fall is definitely harder for someone like that. And let's be honest, Tinsley's ego is no where near the level of LuAnn's, and frankly, if anyone deserves to have an ego, its Tinsley. Unlike Lulu, Tinsley 100% knows -- and takes responsibility for -- her part in the reasons why she fell out and is where she is now -- she readily acknowledges her Palm Beach incident and mug shot. LuAnn on the other hand??? Everything that's happened to her is someone else's fault. Dorinda had the nerve to mention her mug shot! Her kids are suing her! Etc., etc. Hey Luann?? If you hadn't done the stupid shit you'd done, you wouldn't have a mug shot and your kids wouldn't have had to file a lawsuit against you. #TeamTinsley!
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