S08.E06: The Iron Throne

[ShannaB]

A whimper and not a bang.

At least Drogon and Ghost are alive.  Drogon's fiery comment about the Throne was the best.

No matter what, I am happy I had 7/8 years of this show.  It was appointment TV.

Edited May 20, 2019 by ShannaB
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[Bryce Lynch]

🤮

[Leroux]

5 minutes ago, scarynikki12 said:

I don’t care how lonely my island gets. I loved this and will miss this show. 

You are not alone, come sit by me. 

I think that Ned would be mighty proud of his children and so am I. 

[magdalene]

Loved Drogon. Loved Brienne.  Dany had to die. I am not down with genocide.

Probably would feel more satisfied about Bran as king if the actor and character had been a stronger presence on the show.

[Helena Dax]

Good Lord-

I have no words. Dany went full annexing Polland mode, Bronn got a reward for his heroism and spotless ethics (ehem), Jon is apparently unable to be loyal to any fucking king (he was ordered by Bran to join the Night Watch, he apparently decided he was better in the True North), and after Bran's death, there will probably be another civil war. Great.

I also guess the Iron Islands will want their independence too, especially with Yara pissed by Dany's death.

Game of Male Tears.

Pissed, really pissed.

Edited May 20, 2019 by Helena Dax
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[kieyra]

7 minutes ago, Drogo said:

The North won't kneel again... not even to Ned Stark's trueborn son and a lifelong Northerner? 

Shut the fuck up, Sansa.

She didn’t want a Stark on the Melty Throne, she wanted independence for the North. That’s been her arc for a while, and it was nice to see her get it after everything she’s been through. 

[Auntie Anxiety]

I swear the guy sitting between Samwell and Edmure was Sean Bean.

[Katalina]

Well, not great but okay. For the last week I nurtured a thoroughly ridiculous fantasy that the Hound somehow survived his 15 story fall into a fiery pile of rubble. Oh, well. The north is the Alaska of Westeros, what with no ice kings and wights around. And Jon's back with his bf Tormund. I'm okay with Sansa as queen of the north---she's learned a lot and will have advisors---she'll do okay. I feel they really didn't know what to do with a character like Arya, so just sent her off into the unknown.

I too was glad to see Ghost and Jon back together, for good, I guess.

I agree with those who think we should have had a full 10 ep. season---this all felt a bit rushed.

[Bianca Castafiore]

Well...I liked it. Especially the end with all the Starks. Now. let the madness begin!

[Fallacy]

I liked it overall. It’s still a cliff notes version of the show, but every character got an ending and there was some good humor in it between Bronn and his brothels and the lords and ladies mocking Sam’s proposal for a democracy. I also liked Bran saying he would find Drogon. That line made me smile. I’m okay with Bran finally having a purpose and Arya sailing west. And I predicted Jon’s ending a month ago. I still don’t like Sansa though so that “Queen of the North!” scene did nothing for me. 

Finally, while I get that Dany needed to die for burning tens of thousands of innocents, I still feel bad for her, and I teared up when Drogon picked her and carried her away. Like Dany, Drogon is beautiful and terrifying, so that worked for me.

[JennyMominFL]

I liked it

[cambridgeguy]

Wait, why is Bronn Master of Coin?  Shouldn't he be Master of War?  Or is picking someone who knows nothing about money an extension of the idea that the best ruler is a person who doesn't want it?  Did Bronn take the job because he's going to be skimming some funds off the top for himself?

[UNOSEZ]

4 minutes ago, Ottis said:

She was chillingly mad, in my opinion. 

I won't say Mad only because the implication seems to have gotten wrapped up in some female empowerment issues that I'm not qualified for... But she was delusional and completely wrapped up in her own supremacy by that point.. Not even a second thought to what she had done... She was looong gone

[Francie]

Jon:  “It doesn’t feel right.”

Me: You said a lot, bro. You said it all. 

[Growsonwalls]

Ok I'll go on one more rant: that "council" of men sitting around making sex/brothel jokes was the fucking worst. The absolute fucking worst. I think we need a new term since "jumping the shark" doesn't even cover it. How about "Crowing a Broken King?"

[watchTV]

Well, what was that? Didn't see the twist that Bran would be king. I guess this was a continuation of the rush ending that d&d had in mind. It seemed anti-climatic for a series ending even with what happened to Daenarys. I'll take Bran as king. Jon gets to be with the people of his first lover. Not sure about Bron's ascent. He gets to be lord but all he can focus on are brothels? Undeserving. Sansa's taken her place as queen like I thought. I believe she has lived, learned, and matured.

The only really good thing is Arya's path to discovering what's West of Westeros. Can we get a spin off please? Minus d&d because NO.

[Lemuria]

9 minutes ago, Quickbeam said:

So Jon was sentenced to the Nightswatch but got to go free to the North?

Because there is no Nights Watch.  There's nothing to guard against anymore.  

[Bryce Lynch]

4 minutes ago, Minneapple said:

I'm surprised that art is subjective and people have different opinions about it!

You are correct about art.  But this was not art.  

[CatWarmer]

Drogon definitely had the best visuals between unfurling his wings and melting the Iron Throne.

It was a logical and shockingly unshocking finale.  I like happy-ish endings so was ok with it, although was a bit thrown by the passages of time but figured it out quickly.  Liked how the last location returned to the first location of the series.

i though Sam’s Song of Fire and Ice book was dumb though.

[sistermagpie]

4 minutes ago, ShellsandCheese said:

Nope. She was an ambitious women and got sick of apologizing for it. You notice the only woman who got what she wanted was the one who said being raped and abused made her stronger.  

She didn't apologize for it but she did describe razing cities to be under her rule as "freeing them from tyranny." So she really wasn't being honest. Unless she thought she was telling the truth, in which case she wasn't seeing clearly.

10 minutes ago, Drogo said:

The North won't kneel again... not even to Ned Stark's trueborn son and a lifelong Northerner? 

Shut the fuck up, Sansa.

No, of course not. It wasn't about who the king or queen was, it was about Northern Independence. Why would she forget that because it's Bran?

[Lillith]

6 minutes ago, ShellsandCheese said:

Nope. She was an ambitious women and got sick of apologizing for it. You notice the only woman who got what she wanted was the one who said being raped and abused made her stronger. 

Dany said as much last season to Jon when she also listed the horrors he endured. 

[Cheezwiz]

3 minutes ago, taurusrose said:

Sansa got what she wanted. I hope she finds as little joy in being QiTN as her brothers did. She has no one watching her back, so she’d better hope the fair weather Northerners never get bugs up their butts where she’s concerned.

Agreed. Sansa better get some good council/back-up, 'cause those Northerners are pretty damn flaky.

[tennisgurl]

Well, I guess I’ll give them this...I never saw this being how the show ended coming. Probably because it was too stupid to even contemplate. 

[Francie]

So ... is Davos’s wife going to believe a word of this when Davos finally comes home?

[Kanner]

Since Jon is my favorite, I am happy that he got to be free and in a place and with people he can be happy with. Plus, he is with Ghost! 

However, there is no reason for him to be alive. First Drogon doesn’t kill him for some reason. I know he is a Targ but dragons have killed Targs. Plus, the Dothraki and Unsullied just put him in prison.

He tried so hard to give her a chance. But as always he does what is right even if it is the hard choice. 

I also loved that freedom for Jon equaled his old hairdo. He is back to his happiest state. 

Edited May 20, 2019 by Kanner
Forgot to mention.

[LuvScottishAccents]

8 minutes ago, mojoween said:

I’m so confused why Aegon Targaryen is not the king of the seven kingdoms but honestly this ep was almost worth it for the shot of Danerys walking towards the stairs and Drogon’s wings unfolding behind her.

Highlight of the episode, cinematically, for me.

[Leroux]

7 minutes ago, Quickbeam said:

Yawn. Glad to see Ghost again. So Jon was sentenced to the Nightswatch but got to go free to the North?

IMO Jon was sentenced to go to the NW to appease the Unsullied who wanted to kill him but his brother is the King of the six kingdoms and his sister the QITN so I am sure he basically gets to go and do as he pleases up North. 

I went from liking Grey Worm to intensely dislike him. 

Hopefully, Jon will find himself a nice wilding girl that can keep him company.  Jon, Tormund and Ghost future adventures put a smile on my face. 

In a few years, Bran will pardon him, Sansa will give him a hold in the North and he can finally live and peace, marry and maybe even have kids. JMO

[ShellsandCheese]

Just now, Lillith said:

Dany said as much last season to Jon when she also listed the horrors he endured. 

She said what kept her going was faith in herself. She didn’t credit her rape and defilement.

[WaltersHair]

So Brann knew he was going to be king all this time and just peaced out until that meeting?

I'm sorry all the magic is gone such as dragons, witches, those weird children and trees that cry blood. Ah well.

[ferjy]

I wanted to reply to some posts in the live chat thread, but it's defunct already! Hopefully people will repeat themselves here. 😄

[call me ishmael]

Drogon showed he had more sense than all the humans when he torched the Iron Throne.

[LittleIggy]

Sansa being Queen in the North was my favorite part. Missed Lady Mormont though. 😞

How the eff did Bron get a seat on the council? He was a Lannister man. 

Bran as king? Ugh! Why? The kid playing his just plain creepy looking.

After the Dothraki and the No-balls leave, would Jon be free to do whatever he wants? 

Loved the series for a great ride for many years.

[Minneapple]

1 minute ago, Bryce Lynch said:

You are correct about art.  But this was not art.  

Sure it was. It was created by writers, actors, designers. If you want to say it was bad art, you are free to do so.

[Neurochick]

9 minutes ago, UNOSEZ said:

I'm satisfied... We started with the Starks.. We ended with them kinda controlling the 75% of the known world... In my head cannon epilogue.. Arya conquers west of Westeros... So that's the North with Sansa.. The True North with Jon ( cuz he's not going back to the NW is he?)  And Bran everywhere else... I liked Brienne finishing Jaime's entry... Loved the new small council meeting.. Edmure was exactly as you'd expect him to be... Grey Worm gets to ride off and probably take naath... And really anything he wants on that side of the globe

I feel the same way.  I really liked it.  The show started with the Starks and the show ended with them.

Edited May 20, 2019 by Neurochick

[Francie]

Soooo ..

No explanation of the Night King’s symbols. 

No explanation of lightbringer.  (Arya?)

No explanation of Azor Ahai (Kinda sorta Jon?)

I’m left with more questions than answers. 

[Quickbeam]

Hey what about Bear Island, goddamit!

[dbell1]

After last week's shit show, it was a great ending.

Not sure how major parts of the Red Keep weren't destroyed. Loved the callback to Dany in the throne room from season 2.

Sam is a maester? Did he take an online course? Because it's supposed to take flipping years.

Hi Edmure, I see you've still an idiot. 

Tyrion gets punished by having Bronn to deal with? Nice.

The stars were the creatures. Drogon burning everything and taking off with Dany's body? Great.

Ghost finally getting some screen time, flipping finally.

Arya going where Lady Crane suggested? Brilliant!

I got serious dictator vibes there from Dany. Hate what she became. My big burn is knowing they had 2 years and millions of dollars to get this season right. And some extra dialogue would have really helped!

[Delete]

What a shit show:

Drogon’s reaction to his Mother's murder basically sums up my feelings about Season 8. Drogon knew Jon was trouble from the start. Blah blah, you’re my queen, blah... kills her whilst kissing her. Jon needed to be spit roasted.

Tyrion makes a blathering speech while still in chains, and because he sounds all fancy n' smart everyone says yes to it all. I love you Peter Dinklage, but Tyrion needed to DIE!

The Dothraki -- where da fuck did they go?

The Unsullied are sent away on ships to somewhere. Dismissed.

Bronn the smug asshole is in charge of all the money and it will be gone faster than you can say:  "brothels, wine, and gambling."

Bran the Creep is King of the six kingdoms because he has a good memory, and can roll his eyes really far back into his head

Sansa the sulky is Queen of the North. She can spend the rest of her days looking down upon everyone. 

Arya is Dora the Explorer. 

Broody Jon gets sent back to the Night's watch as punishment for murdering Dany. When he gets there the wall has magically been restored, and Tormund and Ghost have the hot chocolate and scones ready. 

Edited May 20, 2019 by Barbara Please
still mad

[BitterApple]

That was the biggest steaming pile of horseshit I've ever witnessed in my life.

Dany's just killed and spirited away, and there's no blowback from the Dothraki and Unsullied? They keep Tyrion and Jon alive for weeks, because reasons? 

Bran has to ask where Drogon is? Those visions sure seem to come and go depending on what the plot needs.

If I had to hear Jon meekly whine "She's our queeeeennn" one more time, I was going to throw a rock through my tv.

So much for the lone wolf dies, the pack survives. Where exactly did Arya get the money for a crew and ship? And why the hell do the Wildlings go back beyond the Wall? There isn't shit out there but snow. They might as well have taken Last Hearth and named Jon their Lord. I doubt Greyworm will be back to check on him.

I'm also slightly confused on why there was only one layer of rock on Jaime and Cersei. Didn't like twenty stories of stone collapse on them last episode?

Only bright spot was Robin Arryn having turned out to be a major hottie.

Everything else, meh. 

[AttackTurtle]

I liked it.  Jon returning to the Wall/beyond the Wall was practically telegraphed in episode four.

I was happy that Tyrion survived and it was pretty heartbreaking when he found Jaime.  

The Dani arc will always be tough to get over, but it is what it is.

I did like the show coming full circle at the Wall.

The remaining Starks all got a happy ending.  Honestly, what ending could be better for Jon? He  has his big friend, his dire wolf, and lots of wilding admirers.  

[TigerLynx]

I didn't like the finale, but it did amuse me that these idiots have learned nothing.  Did they ask the people in Westeros who are still alive (by some miracle) who they wanted be King or Queen or if they wanted that kind of ruler at all?  Nope.  They just appointed a new King, and are right back where they started.  All these morons accomplished was getting a lot of people killed.

[ShellsandCheese]

Yeah. This ending made no sense. None of these things would really happen in a place like Westeros.

[Drogo]

Bran didn't have enough humanity to thank Meera for saving his life 1000x North of the Wall.

But 6 hours after his coronation he developed the ability to be snarky to his Small Council. 

[Growsonwalls]

So ... what is Arya going to do? Wander the world and make new people on her kill list?

[Calamity Jane]

My son told me last week in separate conversations that Jon would end up in the north with Ghost, and that Bran would end up king. Didn’t believe either prediction. Now I want to know where he figured it out. 

Edited May 20, 2019 by Calamity Jane

[Lillith]

2 minutes ago, ShellsandCheese said:

She said what kept her going was faith in herself. She didn’t credit her rape and defilement.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Sansa didn't credit her rape either, she was saying her suffering made her stronger. I will agree the line was clumsy as hell but that's how I took it. 

[LuvScottishAccents]

I will miss this show despite all this craziness at the end. I will say, though, that I can see why Emilia Clark was so shaken after reading the script, and needed a long walk to compose herself. I’m also not so sure that the clip of Kit being interviewed, and him responding that the end of the show was “disappointing,” was entirely a joke. And Emilia being interviewed at the premier, and tossing off a tongue-in-cheek, “best season evah!” I think they might actually have been disappointed.

[Advance35]

I don't care about anything else. I'm just psyched Sansa is an honest to goodness Queen.  

Her dress was awesome.   I am looking for a full shot of it because it just might be my favorite outfit yet, where she is concerned.   Liked the hair too.

Jon will meet someone else.   I didn't like either of his love interest but all in all, he seemed happiest when he was with Ygritte.   So there is something over the horizon for him.

[Popples]

Shouldn't Ghost's ear been a bit more healed.

[Francie]

Soooo ..

No explanation of the Night King’s symbols. 

No explanation of lightbringer.  (Arya?)

No explanation of Azor Ahai (Kinda sorta Jon?)

I’m left with more questions than answers.