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    S02.E12: Postpartum

    I answered your question in your next quote of me. June risked everyone including her own child when it was forbidden because she's the biological mom and feelings? Honestly, that reunion was uncalled for. There were too many loose ends including Hannah's guardian and maid. Anyone could report them and they could be executed. For someone who is trying to save her children, she's taking unnecessary risks. No one took offense. More at bored or annoyed at wasted story time. Sorry if you interpret it that way. And it wasn't even myself who brought up the biological mother glorification. I just understood the point that person was trying to make. I also can't watch a show and pretend everything's great.
  2. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    Two things. First, Hannah was there when the men tore her from her mother. Her accusation that she was abandoned was a coping mechanism to make sense of her painful situation. Second, now that Hannah knows her mom didn't abandon her and she couldn't go back, why did June need to risk everything by delaying her departure? She was repeatedly warned by both Nick and Hannah's guardian. If the other guardians caught them, they could all be executed. As for the birthing scene, we get the idea in 5 minutes. Since they insisted on showing it they could at least make the baby look natural. It was cleaner than normal. So bizarre. That's like a criminal saying, "Look, you're alive because I locked you in a basement instead of shooting you when I had the chance. Thank me for the cops setting you free."
  3. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    When the glorification of biological mothers was first brought up, someone interpreted that as dismissing the handmaids in favor of the commander's wives. Not so. My understanding is this show is in a way overrepresenting the role of a biological mother. June, Luke, and Hannah happy together. Remember that, Hannah? June reminded her daughter of her former life. For what? This child could not return to that. In short, she caused her daughter more pain. That situation was already very risky and the other guardian kept telling them they needed to go. June then ran outside to say more words that ultimately resulted in what exactly? Great seeing you but nothing's changing. You're going right back to your new life. You know? Away from me. This extended scene resulted in Nick's abduction and June left on her own while ready to pop. An actual doctor, who was an expert in her field, basically said it's over. Yet, through some unexplained miracle her baby healed. There are a lot of unexplainable things on the show so I guess we'll just have to buy it. The whole episode felt like one long extended scene of June giving birth. It's like the long close up scenes of her face emoting for filler. Did we really need that? Handmaids can have babies. We know. But in case you didn't know, here's what it looks like. Naked. In the dark. On the floor. Without much vernix. Why? Unexplained.
  4. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    I don't think that's what they meant when they brought that issue up. Here is the clarification in the quote below.
  5. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    Janine and Emily were sent there to work to death. The only reason they have a second chance is due to another handmaid's courage who sacrificed her own life.
  6. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    True. Quite a few people believe she was already that way. If he did create the colonies and somehow found a conscious then good. If he does something about it, even better. Anyone suffering in that place will appreciate whatever reprieve they can get. But if he did have a hand in creating it then he needs to be held accountable.
  7. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    Yes, we don't really know what he's up to. But as someone else pointed out, why did he have to go through each traumatic thing Emily endured? This will boil down to whether he created the colonies. The labor of death.
  8. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    As someone else pointed out a baby was kidnapped / stolen and the kid grew up to love the thief. It does not make it okay or normal. Just fact. Your exact words were: I only brought up adoption because you said: A mother doesn't automatically possess this ability. Some mothers can't be bothered. An adoptive mother and even a baby thief can. It's not normal but it happens.
  9. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    That's why I prefaced it as my first impression. Take the maid out of the equation and it does not make up for the way he treats his wife. He practically shoves her and locks her away for speaking. I think it's pretty serious that she stated he created the colonies. The place where people are condemned to labor and die. Pretty sadistic to me. As for June, she told a struggling and impressionable 15 yr old that she should pursue love wherever she can find it. Are we dismissing the part where his wife said he created the colonies? I guess he could rid her to the place he created. I bet all those condemned to work and deteriorated to death there were appreciative. I'm just not sure an arsonist gets credit for putting out a fire. And how much do you think Emily enjoyed recalling all the sadistic things done to her? He went over them one by one. Why? A normal person would simply sympathize with, "You've been through some harsh situations. Sorry."
  10. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    No one's normalizing this. Your statements made it seem like only a biological mother could care for the baby which is not true. Then somehow the baby is aware it was stolen from her mother? I'm confused as to why anyone would think Fred is redeemable. As if being nice makes all the damaging things he's done go away. This guy has the gall to dangle the baby as a way into his rape victim's good graces. He probably thinks he's doing her favors. He's either delusional or manipulative or both. The commanders consider themselves part of the upper class. It's the difference between insane and just stress. I don't think commander Lawrence's wife is crazy. She's rebelling against him and the terrible thing he created. He's trying to control her by physical or mental abuse and maybe medication. They want a baby because it's necessary for the human race to continue. If it doesn't work out then someone else will take it.
  11. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    So an adopted child cannot be cared for by its non-biological parent? I think there are plenty of orphaned and adopted children who would disagree. There are also plenty of children with biological parents who are failures. The baby has no idea SJ stole her from her mother. SJ can be the architect of this dystopian mess and still care for this child. Those two are not mutually exclusive. And she is foul. She deserves no redemption.
  12. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    Probably because it was his penis that raped June. Manipulation does not equal kindness. He likes to play games. Make you feel special that you commit suicide. Just ask the last handmaid. And like a sick psycho, quote the holy scripture so he can beat you. For record, neither one of them deserves redemption especially after the pregnancy rape.
  13. watchTV

    S02.E12: Postpartum

    The only new thing is the eccentric commander Lawrence. First impression is he's sadistic. He has a maid with a gouged eye. He shoved his troubled wife who condemned his creation of the colonies. He sure did his research on Emily though. Why would he want a woman exposed to radiation to have his baby? Why would anyone want that at all? Then there's June. She just doesn't think things through. It was her fault for planting seeds of pursuing love in that kid's head. And because THT writers like shock and drama, they decided to drown them for the sake of love. A tribute to Romeo and Juliet. Not. Enter Serena with so much humanity in her tears. She is distraught about Eden. How do you go from raping a pregnant woman to that? Oh but they don't stop there. We must give the woman she helped rape a bonding moment. She allows June to hold her baby while Serena looks on with joy. Seriously? This show is all sorts of mind twisting.
  14. watchTV

    S02.E11: Holly

    One of the problems with the show is the extended scenes. People get the agony and suffering in 5 seconds. We don't need close ups of her face to go on and on. It's filler. I believe EM is a good actress and that was proven back on Mad Men. I also don't think someone deserves an award for nonsensical drama. But that may be more on the writers. As for her character, June, it takes some special skill to make a supposedly sympathetic character unlikeable. I don't know what the writers were thinking. Fred and Serena can only be portrayed as monsters for so long. Viewers are already expressing exhaustion from the prolong darkness of the show.
  15. watchTV

    S02.E11: Holly

    This is exactly how I felt. A lot of extended or pointless scenes. Like what was the point of showing the wolf over and over? Closed captioning shows it was growling. This isn't going well for season 2 with all the other nonsensical drama. The main one is the meeting with Hannah. Why remind your daughter of her past life that she can't go back to? It's unnecessary pain for a child. It looks like Hulu took their hit show and just dropped the ball.
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