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  1. Francie

    S08.00: The Last Watch

    I think that was either the editing and they put in as a voiceover "end of game of thrones" when it was actually said, or that line was commentary on how the violent fight for the throne was over. I have to imagine that because there's no way that the show was meant to end with that scene. The Spain shoot was set long in advance. The actors who played Yara, Robin, and Edmure, etc. were scheduled. That wasn't a last minute tacked on scene.
  2. Francie

    S08.E00: The Last Watch

    The problem is that the writers didn't just spike the narration with what they considered humor. Their attempts at comic relief on the these last four seasons were awful. We got a plethora of cock jokes, short jokes, a "bad pussy" line, and a riff on Sam stealing books. My critique stands: What these guys thought was funny 9 times out of 10 wasn't.
  3. Francie

    S08.E00: The Last Watch

    I saw a few moments of the table read last night. Two issues caught my attention. First, just how much of the “story” was being told in writer’s notes and not in the dialogue. Cogman talked of Dany’s and Jon’s final kiss being “perfect.” I get what they mean. It’s your traditional romantic kiss. Passionate without be grody. Etc. Etc. You standard big kiss between a hero and heroine. But that’s part of the problem. The story itself never developed that Jon and Dany would have a perfect kiss. And even for those fans who bought into that Jon and Dany were in love, Jon’s behavior in rejecting Dany immediately prior to that scene made that kiss a puzzle to nearly ever fan. It didn’t make sense. It didn’t flow from their prior scenes. And to those fans (like me) who never saw a love connection, not only was the kiss puzzling (well, except that it wasn’t), but it was booooring. And it would have been puzzled, having come out of nowhere in light of Jon’s prior emo brooding and rejection, except that we immediately knew that he was using the kiss as an opportunity to stab her. So, I get bored by the kiss and get the not so shocking “shocker” that he stabbed her. For that scene to have worked, we’d all have to be lulled into believing that Jon was truly kissing her sincerely. We didn’t. And it (the scene) didn’t. The second issue was when Cogman was reading off the writers’ notes about the death of Jorah. I’m going from memory from last night, but I believe the phrase was “He’s getting pounded harder than Hodor at the door.” It could have been “hit” or “assaulted” I forget the verb. But for the writers to bring up one of their few shining moments of the last four seasons in such a casual way. These writers just thought they were too cool for school. They thought cleverness equaled talent. And they thought their low brow humor equaled cleverness.
  4. Francie

    Game Over: How YOU Would Have Done Season 8

    I’ve given what I aspired to be my objective view. I gave my sarcastic view. And now I’ll give my personal view. I’m okay with Daenerys going bad. I didn’t think that leap was *all* that much. I saw the foreshadowing, and I fully expected King’s Landing to be completely destroyed. I never anticipated her going “mad,” so much as I expected her to be justified in what she was doing. I wish she had had that moment like Theon did in Season 2. You know where Dany clapped back at Sansa in episode 1 with “whatever they want,” about what dragons eat? Well, the Season 2 writers of this show would have made Dany eat those words. They would have had her beloved remaining two dragons burn a couple toddlers to a crisp, and have Sansa say, without shade and in sadness, “I thought I feared the worst, but I was wrong.” And have Dany stand there, like Theon after he was called out for his bravado, and have Dany make that choice to be hoighty about it instead of guilty or compassionate. I thought she was already there. I knew she was already here. So that’s why I saw virtually no disconnect with her burning subjects to the ground. So there’s that. And I would have shown Jon actually being enamored with Dany so that his stabbing her didn’t seem obvious. Instead, Jon always seemed so indifferent, whether he was having sex with her or stabbing her. And I would have switched which Lannister brother lived. Make Jaime live with his guilt. Not Tyrion. Finally, I have to admit, I came to this show late. After the Sixth Season. And if the Sixth Season hadn’t been such a good rebound season, I would have cursed the friend who convinced me to finally give GoT a chance. And I *still* didn’t get invested into this show until the end of season 2, and Jaime’s “there’s no man like me, only me” speech. To me, and me (nearly) alone, this was always the Jaime Lannister Show. And it’s been a lonely, disappointing journey these last 3 years. So, if I could only change 3 minutes of footage these last two seasons, what would it have been? I full on love scene with Jaime and Brienne. Give me 60 to 90 seconds of a love scene, along with just a little conversation in the morning or days following. Show me the scene where Jaime asks Brienne if she wants him to stay. Or their awkwardness the next morning. I would have watched and re-watched that scene over and over and over again. Instead all I got was a fairly decent foreplay scene and a hard cut to Jon Snow. Thanks, but no thanks. I’m a simple woman. Just that and I would have quietly slinked away in bliss.
  5. Here’s the moment on screen: The death reveal starts at the 8 minute mark. So, in 1992 all we saw were photographs. Sean, with the greater expertise, believed them. Mac did not, at first. No bodies found. So, many of us fans believed they lived, of course. Later, on AMC, Anna remembered being on the boat and seeing Robert die. It was supposed to be that the explosion caused her near decade long amnesia. She wound up in Canada, playing chess with the father from the Waltons. Still later, Robert remembered being on the boat and all of them in the explosion. He knew Anna lived, and was blackmailed into black ops for years to keep her and Robin alive. And that’s the jumbled mess that was “the explosion.”
  6. Francie

    Game Over: How YOU Would Have Done Season 8

    On second thought, maybe D&D should have played to their strengths: More cock and cockless jokes. Have Bronn make a crack that if only Grey Worm had a cock, Bronn could take him to a brothel to get over his heartache. More short jokes. Have Jon, right when he stabs Danaerys say, “At least you’re short, like me, so I could reach your heart.” And then have Davos, watching, say “...like I am,” and do a hard cut to... Have all words of dialogue that are not short or cock jokes or Davos grammar corrections be uttered by Tyrion. Have him do a running monologue in the street, lecturing the burning man. Then, when he finds Jaime and Cersei, he can exclaim, “But father still loved you MORE, so I remain the most piteous! Poor me!” Have 100 people throw spears at an angry Drogon, all of them bouncing off him, and then have Drogon accidentally step on a broken spear and die. Because, you know — Achilles heel and all. See — look how literary we are! Where’s our emmy?
  7. Francie

    Game Over: How YOU Would Have Done Season 8

    Short term, if just allowed to make some tweaks to the season? And if we're assuming all the major plot points were GRRM's, so we're committed to them? Small picture: Not have Cersei murder Missandei. Cersei knew back in Season 1 that the best thing to do with a hostage is keep him or her alive. Cersei should have strapped Missandei in like a baby bjourn, using Missandei as her personal human shield. Rather than Dany going mad over the bells, have her be pissed that she can't kill Cersei, so she slaughters Cersei's people in the hopes that they'll surrender or turn on her. Or have a decent fight and Dany can still go scorch earth after that surrender. The shift of balance of power was so lopsided from one side to the other. Lannisters should have fought well. And have the golden company live up to their reputation. Have it be a fight. I would have shown Dany's slide into (or reveal of) inhumanity by having had her burn Lyanna Mormont alive for not bending the knee. A tougher pill to swallow, but certainly within the realm of what Dany had shown she was capable of. I can hear the justifications already -- "Lyanna had a choice!" 'She betrayed her her queen!" But that still would have been one more layer peeled away, as some would recognize, "Ummm, yeah, but should Dany have really used her power like that? I'm uncomfortable." Bigger picture: With GRRM apparently not making himself available to script the season, and without detailed dialogue to steal from in the books, D&D should have swallowed their pride and hired a damn good writer, or writers, to help them write the season. Instead, they went with their two promoted former coffee runners, Bryan Cogman and Dave Hill. And I know a lot of people love Cogman and his knowledge of the ASOIAF universe. And that has its place. But the dialogue and story progression this season was horrible. HORRIBLE!!!!! It's been horrible for the 3 out of the last 4 seasons (Season 6 was a nice recovery season). They had four white dude bros who all liked each and hung out together, and Cogman and Hill were promoted because they were liked by D&D. Maybe if they didn't have such an echo chamber, they would have made better and more meaningful choices. This show excelled in nearly every department -- the effects, the acting, the costuming. The only two in which they failed were the writing and the continuity or maybe editing department. I guess I'll cut some lack for the lighting team, given that episode 3 was supposed to be as dark as it was. That was a stupid choice by D&D to make it what was happening on screen so unintelligible.
  8. Francie

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    And I wish that when Sansa and Sandor was speaking, she credited her change on all those people who influenced her -- from Joffrey to Cersei to Olenna and Margaery to Littlefinger to Ramsay -- and not the physical and sexual abuse she suffered. I agree with izabella. The writing had her credit her transformation to Ramsay "riding her rough" (which, seriously, Sandor?) rather than on being present, and taking in, all the game players and their methods and motivations.
  9. Francie

    Tyrion Lannister: Impin' Ain't Easy

    I vote to re-name this thread: Tyrion Lannister: He took a honeycomb and a jackass into a brothel...
  10. Francie

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    HBO honcho [about D&D]: “They’re smart. They’re bright...” Tyrion Lannister: “Smart and bright mean the same thing.” Deadline writer, quoting HBO honcho: “I want to leave it as it’s own work of art.” Stannis [under his breath]: “Its.”
  11. Francie

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    gods, I wish I had photoshop/meme creation skills. Because I really want to cut up the Season 4 “what makes a good king” scene with Tywin and Tommen with Tyrion’s suggestion of Bran as king. “What makes a good king?” ”Holiness?” ”Baelor the Blessed was holy. And pious. He starved himself into a holy grave.” ”Strength?” ”King Robert was strong. And he spent his time whoring and drinking and hunting until the last two kill him.” ”Wisdom? Wisdom is what makes a good king.” ”No, no, no! Having a story to tell makes a good king.” ”Wait, what?”
  12. Francie

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    This is just my experience. But Friends and Seinfeld and even Roseanne were shows I remember talking about with others. I have only 2 friends, one lives in another state and the other in another city, who watch Game of Thrones. Over the last two months, I’ve only heard 1 person IRL who talked about Game of Thrones. And that was a conversation I overhead at a restaurant. It was Mother’s Day, and a woman at lunch was explaining how awesome a certain character was to the rest of her brood. The target of her monologue was her 30-something brother. Even he had never seen the show. GoT is still niche television. It may dominant twitter. It may be all the talk of entertainment media. But the fact remains — if 20 million Americans watched the finale, that means 300+ million Americans didn’t. Compare that to the M*A*S*H finale. 105+ million Americans watched that. And our population was about 230 million at the time. That’s 1 out of 15 people for GoT and nearly 1 out of 2 for M*A*S*H.
  13. Francie

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    "I am not a politician. I am a queen." By "breaking the wheel," Dany meant that she was going to be an autocrat. A benevolent autocrat, but an autocrat, all the same. She intended on taking a sufficient amount of power away from the highest of the noble families so that they would not be able to launch an attack against her or otherwise threaten her sovereignty.
  14. Francie

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    We kinda forgot that Arya was to kill someone with green eyes.
  15. Francie

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    I think he was weeping for both, though he loved Jaime more and will miss him more. Tyrion and Cersei had a complicated relationship in that Cersei couldn't bring herself to kill Tyrion when he was right in front of her. And they did confide in each other occasionally when you look back at the earlier seasons. The three of them were the only ones who knew what life was like growing up as Tywin Lannister's children. And they are the last of his immediate family. His nephews and niece are gone. His father. Uncle Kevan. There was some guilt involved as well. It was Tyrion's plan that led them down there. Admittedly, if they had been caught, they would have been executed. But still, their exact death was due to trusting in Tyrion's plan. In fact, Tyrion was responsible for the death of his niece, by sending her to Dorne and her becoming an assassination target, his father, his brother, his sister, and his best friend. I think Tyrion recognizes that, too.
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