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  1. This is part of the message they should repeating everywhere instead of basically backing the Republicans up by saying impeachment would be too 'divisive" as if they're troublemakers. And certainly they shouldn't be talking about how important it is or them to work with Republicans if they're elected as if they're going to be reasonable.
  2. Seriously, I don't get it. He and his cronies are openly committing all these crimes and we'll respond to it by doing to him what we did to...Jimmy Carter. Just have him lose an election as if all these is normal and impeachment isn't what you're supposed to do in this case. Bill was right when he told them they didn't know what would happen if they impeached. They've always got a good reason for not doing anything and passing the buck to somebody else, in this case the voters. It's easy enough to see what they obviously should be doing, but instead they're overthinking themselves to make everyone think they're playing three-dimensional chess here and have some clever reason for not doing it. Seems to me they do better when they actually do what's right because it's right. That's the one thing they have to stand on on this issue. And they can do that and also cover other issues. Like was said above, this was actually a pretty good joke on her part, since she was referring to what Short himself said. In that context it was sort of a compliment.
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    Mad Men

    I love rewatching this show. It's kind of like Don's Carousel speech the way you can rewind and go forward and see foreshadowing and callbacks and just how relationships evolve over time. So great watching mid-series Peggy and remembering her in those early days when she was Don's secretary and she obviously didn't feel like she fit into the world as much as she did later.
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    Fosse/Verdon

    That sums it up better than I did, you're right--that for him she's almost more real when he's changed her into his own creation for what he's making. He clearly has a lot of affection for Michelle, her fictional counterpart. He sees himself as letting her down. But he channels his guilt into presenting it as art rather than really making an effort with her that we see. Oh wow, that's her? I didn't know that. Cool!
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    Fosse/Verdon

    Eh, Nicole in the ATJ was younger and by that point teenage Nicole was demanding freedom to hang out with friends even when Gwen tried to stop it. The other kids in the scene with her didn't have G&B as parents and were also getting high. I thought it was more about Nicole being angry at Bob's using her moment for his movie.
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    Fosse/Verdon

    When she got pregnant the first time she was very young, had no career and didn't yet really long for a child. Raising her son meant spending her life in the town where she was born and being married to (and financially dependent on) the father. She left the son to make a career and life for herself. Then when she was older and had a career she was at a time in her life when she wanted children. By the time Nicole was born in 1963 her son would have been 20 years old and Gwen was a very different person.
  7. I honestly don't think the comment was strong enough to really say she was suggesting he should have been aborted. It was just such an easy and obvious response. Because it was Bill himself who raised that issue by saying, essentially, that he was nervous about abortion because it meant maybe he personally wouldn't be on the earth right now. So it was really hard, imo, for her to not make a joke about how yes, he existed and we were all living with that good or bad. Which, imo, is a good comment because whether or not abortion should be legal should not have anything to do with what any particular birth might grow up to be. If someone argues that Martin Luther King Jr. wouldn't have existed if his mother had terminated her pregnancy, well, same with Charles Manson. It's irrelevant. Nobody should ever argue against abortion by framing it as a time travel erasure issue. Though his actual point was fine--he was just saying that lots of people genuinely feel strongly about the issue, which is true. Many of them clearly lie about *why* they feel strongly about it, but even in those cases they feel strongly.
  8. God, yes. Also beware of anybody who pretends that there is any time or place in American history when Martin Luther King Jr. wouldn't be a accused of pushing what Bill insists on calling "identity politics." He took racial inequality seriously and that's all it means. Of course he was for things that would benefit everyone, but to him "everyone" actually meant everyone. It seems like the only way to not "condescend" as a liberal is to agree with simple bigoted solutions to problems. Trump got up and promised to beat up all those "other people" and then those particular white people would be back on top because it would be 1952 again. But somehow that's not condescending. Basically it's just saying that any problem that white working class men don't think immediately applies to them should be dealt with by saying it's unimportant or doesn't exist. I've never understood this argument either. Do people honestly feel insecure about the idea that they might not have been born under different circumstances? If that had happened you never would have existed to worry about it so who cares? Do people also get nervous thinking about what would have happened if their dad used a condom that time? Or if Mom wasn't in the mood? Or what if there was something good on TV that night and they watched it and then went straight to sleep instead of having sex! What then?!
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    Better Things

    Yes, I assume that's the idea, that the best way for her to learn coping skills is for everyone to keep accepting her behavior until she tires herself out and I guess to me it seems like facing reasonable reactions to your behavior is part of learning coping skills. Personally, I'd find it just as believable if she didn't have a more easily defined and sympathetic reveal as questioning her gender. There also seems to be a pattern of Frankie being angry at her father's rejection and possibly pushing her mother away to see if she would abandon her too. Which is why it seems like Sam's constant acceptance is the right way to go. No matter how much of an asshole Frankie is to Sam specifically, Sam's still there, unlike Dad. Duke seems to be the daughter who's dealing with this in the most head-on way.
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    Better Things

    Or she lives in such a shallow pool that everything seems deep. I assume Sam's handling Frankie exactly the right way, personally. But since everyone in Frankie's life (besides Dad) treats her with exactly this attitude (that she's in deep pain and going through something deep and is a really deep person) I can't help but think it would be amusing if somebody switched it up and told her as hard as it was, she had to just accept she was ordinary . It's not like she stood out amongst the other kids at the poetry thing. (Except they had SJ issues.) And nobody on the show sees her behavior as out of line at all.
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    Fosse/Verdon

    Are you saying that Ann was portrayed in an unflattering way? Or has Reinking or Nicole said that they hadn't talked about the show at all? I don't think Nicole would ever be able to take the keeper of the flame role from AR since Ann is the one who could dance the stuff so excellently.
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    Fosse/Verdon

    I feel like they wouldn't have thrown that in if it wasn't true just for the joke that he's a hairy guy. If we all don't associate Tom Selleck with the late 70s surely the writers/producers/actors would have thought the same and questioned it. It's not like Magnum PI isn't aggressively 80s.
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    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    But now the horse they were trying to switch from isn't there. That changes the situation. When they started thinking of Jon it was in the context of comparing him to Dany (same blood claim to the throne, but with advantages they prefer). Plus even Jon would have been convinced to go for leadership if it was necessary to get rid of a tyrant. Now the board's reset. They're dealing with different circumstances without even ever started any real push for Jon as king to begin with. I don't see why we'd assume they'd still have some passionate desire to put Jon on the throne under any circumstances, especially with another guy there who fulfills every single thing they liked about Jon.
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    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    Jon had killed Dany, which made some people want to see him punished for the crime and not support him. Jon himself was of course not going to do anything to defend himself on those terms. Without Dany for contrast, that became more of a problem. There was never any sort of Cult who wanted to see Jon as king, just 3 people, one of whom is now dead, who were just as happy to get what they wanted through somebody else. Bran did that.
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    Tusk to Tchaikovsky: Re-watching the Americans

    Re-watched Cardinal... This ep introduces both Fred and Lucia and I can't help but think of the contrast between these two and the two Philip and Elizabeth work with in S5. These two are both so immediately interesting. Granted, they're also both spies so they're interacting with them in a very different way. Lucia is the first of Elizabeth's younger (unlike Gregory) protegees. Their first scene together is great. You can see how Lucia immediately would look up to her but also want to prove herself to her and feel awkward about thinking Elizabeth didn't think she was good enough. Elizabeth goes immediately into teaching mode, refusing to come out of the shadows until Lucia gives her the exact right code words and giving he straightforward advice for the future, then adding at the end admiration for the work Lucia is doing and her country. You can definitely see Elizabeth being a good teacher here, with a different style to Philip, whom we'll later see teaching Paige to drive. It's hard to not not see every interaction like this with Elizabeth and compare it to her training with Paige, who so clearly lacks any real motivation or understanding of what she's doing, and it's reflected in her performance, and who Elizabeth passes anyway. (Elizabeth would have totally accepted the "close enough" password from Paige.) In some ways she's as cut off from Paige as she is from Henry, but tells herself it's worth it to hear Paige compliment her. Meanwhile, Philip has a really fun interaction with Fred. He gets knocked out by a booby trap and wakes up about to be killed by him (or at least Fred thinks he should kill him). Then Philip Sherlocks the hell out of the scene, using all the little things he noticed in the apartment to appeal correctly to Fred. It's a nice parallel to Elizabeth's scene with Lucia because they're somewhat similar, but also not the same at all. It makes me wonder how Elizabeth would have handled the same scene. Philip's also in a more exposed position since Emmett saw him with Henry, who Fred correctly assumes is his son. This is the first (and maybe only, though I think there might be one more?) scene where Philip seems to hint at a close relationship with Emmett, one which seems to have truth to it even if he's deploying it to manipulate Fred. (He tells him Emmett didn't trust many people so if he told Fred about his family he must think highly of him.) It's mostly the delivery that makes it seem like it comes from truth. I also think there's truth in Philip agreeing with Fred about a life where you don't really do anything--the kind of life he's trying to embrace in S6. It's not really who he is, and I think that's mean to be reflected in Henry once he starts getting motivated as well. Basically, these two are both well-created to set P&E on their separate journeys. Lucia ultimately becomes about sacrificing the person for the Cause while Fred from the start clearly needs Philip to integrate himself more, asking about his real life. (Funny when Fred asks what "Paul's" real name was Philip says Emmett, which would have been the name he had in the paper and is the only name Philip knew, but is not his real name. I've always liked how the show often showed that characters in Russia by contrast used the real Russian names to refer to the person). Henry in this ep continues to show how his interactions tend to have to be on his terms because he's hard to pin down. Elizabeth is playing a board game with the kids (there's references to family games elsewhere to, and this is the type of thing people tend to insist don't happen in this family) and Henry says he'd rather watch TV, which Paige says he always does when he's losing. (Seriously, Paige rarely has any interaction with Henry where she isn't being critical or condescending.) Then when Elizabeth takes them to the movies and begs off at the last second, Henry's clearly disappointed she's not going to watch the movie with them. I know many only see the side of Henry being neglected--but I always imagine him kind of regretting being so much that way. Although he does also ask if he could help out at the Travel Agency in response to Philip's story about difficult competition--another little reflection of Henry in S6 when he offers to hook Philip up with someone who'll give him advice. Elizabeth's behavior maybe is what motivates Paige to go ahead and track down "Aunt Ruth's" address since Elizabeth does pretty obviously suddenly decide to go to a movie--any movie--right after she gets a phone call. This ep is the first time Martha suggests buying her gun, the one that never goes off. Philip manages to talk her out of potentially switching FBI departments. He says she would be happier doing things that matter (as if equal opportunity employment doesn't), which is ironic given that ultimately Martha will choose to commit treason for Clark. Iow, it's him who matters and since he's the one who claims to be so focused on protecting America, his suggestion that she wants the same thing is probably all tied up in her wanting him to see her that way too. Not that there isn't any truth to it, but it's really not her diving motivation, clearly. She doesn't get into spying because she feels like she's helping her country, but because she's helping Clark. Nina, meanwhile, is in the uncomfortable position of having to deliver explicit reports about sex with Stan to Arkady in person, and that scene is sandwiched between a scene of Philip talking to Elizabeth on the phone and Philip talking to Martha and begging off going to see her in order to be home with an obviously nervous Elizabeth. It's interesting watching this ep given where Elizabeth is in S6 because here she's genuinely worried about the kids, saying it never before occurred to her they could be in danger. At this point she's still keeping the cover life/kids and her work completely separate. Philip still feels terrible about just using Henry as a prop to identify himself to Fred and when Elizabeth reassures him he didn't have a choice, he says he did. In the last ep there's a similar convo. This time it's Elizabeth who "can't believe" she did something--in this case, killed a KGB officer. Philip gives her the same reassurance, saying something like "What were you supposed to do?" The implication again, there, is that she did have a choice and this was the choice she made--just as Philip chose to do the job for Emmett. I guess that's why it'll start to create so much trouble when the Centre mixes the two worlds up. Then Elizabeth starts trying to have it both ways: hold onto Paige using the Centre and be loyal to the Centre by using Paige. And it leads her into this numb dreamworld where she again pretends that Henry and Paige couldn't be in any danger, even while she ignores not only the danger she's putting Paige in but Paige's being uniquely incapable of dealing with it. Oh, and this ep is also the one with the convo that mirrors the very last one when Elizabeth asks how she and Philip are supposed to live "like this"--meaning knowing the kids could be in danger and Philip replies "We'll get used to it." Btw, Philip also looks at her in something like surprise when she says she never thought the kids could be in danger. I wonder if he's surprised that she now thinks they are, or that he's shocked it never occurred to her before. The latter seems far more likely, given Philip.
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