Josiah and Lauren: He Has To Marry Somebody

[doodlebug]

12 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

She didn't specify what kind of degree she earned. She might have stretched an LPN into two years, fulfilling prerequisites? All I remember is that she said she was done with school forever.

And, we've never seen or heard any evidence that she ever intended to use her education to get a job.  We've never heard that Lauren took the nursing boards or got a license to practice let alone ever worked as a nurse.

I think she used schooling (was it online or on a real campus?) as a placeholder until she got old enough to marry.  At least, she and her parents felt 18 was a good age for marriage and kids.  If Lauren hadn't had a fish on the line ready to be reeled in when she finished her program, perhaps, like old maid Abby, she would've gotten the credentials and found a job.  However, I don't think she ever intended to actually work as a nurse.

It would be hard to get an RN in 2 years unless she was really working at it hard, full time classes and clinicals, straight through.  It is certainly very possible, lots of students do it, but Lauren doesn't strike me as the type. Usually when you're talking about an Associate's in Nursing, that is what you're talking about but I just don't see Lauren as ambitious. I think it is more likely that she received an LPN and it took two years because she got an associate's along with it.  Just like many RN get a bachelor's simultaneously and it takes 4 years.

Edited September 11, 2019 by doodlebug

[Fosca]

She also might have been able to get a lot of those credits done during high school; dual enrollment is a very big thing at community colleges.

[Bewitched]

We had this discussion a while back.  I thought she had a "pre-nursing" associates degree which is very different from an ADN.  I'll try to go back and see what was discussed previously.  An ADN is possible in 2 years, but highly unlikely as a 16-17 year old because there are prerequisites that would have required community college level work for a year or two prior to enrollment.

[Sew Sumi]

She did attend a brick and mortar campus. That I do remember. Her sister went with her.

[Bewitched]

On 8/30/2018 at 1:10 PM, ginger90 said:

This is from the Georgia Military College page:

Pre-Nursing

About This Program:

The purpose of the pre-nursing program is to provide students a liberal arts based pre-nursing program of study through the foundational coursework credits and many of the pre-requisites needed for admission to a nursing program. The Pre-Nursing Program provides a holistic approach to the education of GMC students by emphasizing character education and critical thinking.

Program Benefits:

Upon completion of the degree, students are well prepared for admission to Registered Nursing (R.N.) programs throughout the state of Georgia and adjacent states. This program prepares students for completion of two-year Associate of Science in Nursing (A.S.N.) programs, Bachelor of Science in Nursing (B.S.N.) programs at four-year institutions, and R.N. bridge programs at participating institutions.

This is what we discovered the last time she talked about her degree.  There can't be any miscommunication as Georgia Military College only offers pre-nursing, not any degree which would prepare a student for the NCLEX and thus the ability to obtain a RN job.

[ginger90]

If it works, here’s the link to the campus tour:

[xwordfanatik]

Dear Lauren:  it's pastime, not pass time.

[JoanArc]

22 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

This is what we discovered the last time she talked about her degree.  There can't be any miscommunication as Georgia Military College only offers pre-nursing, not any degree which would prepare a student for the NCLEX and thus the ability to obtain a RN job.

Agreed. She did prereqs, never actually attend nurisng school. Michel Bates is going to be a nursing major who will do the same her first year of school.

[mythoughtis]

So she doesn’t even know what degree she got?  How does Josiah deal with her? 

[Sew Sumi]

21 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

If it works, here’s the link to the campus tour:

Thanks. I knew I remembered her sister being with her. 

[BradandJanet]

Admission to a nursing program is competitive at the community college where I work. There are a lot of prospective students and not many spaces. Students need two years of liberal arts courses, good grades, and recommendations to be considered for a program. I would probably hesitate to recommend a student whose literacy is this challenged, but fortunately the students who have asked me for recommendations are top students. 

[Lunera]

I guess she doesn't know that Hispanic means spanish speaking. She should have said she's a quarter Salvadoran.

Also, she didn't get an Associate degree in nursing pretty sure it was just nursing prerequisites (Anatomy/physiology, biology, chemistryx etc). Its still pretty impressive for a fundie.

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, Lunera said:

Also, she didn't get an Associate degree in nursing pretty sure it was just nursing prerequisites (Anatomy/physiology, biology, chemistryx etc). Its still pretty impressive for a fundie.

Yeah my assumption is she'd have those out of the way, as well as more, well, general gen ed classes. 

I think she probably wants people to think she has more of a professional nursing background than she actually does, but I will give her kudos for being better-educated than all of Josiah's family and most of the other in-laws. It's a shame she will probably never do anything with it. 

[awaken]

I just saw her post and thought, we here know ALL of that about her!  

[DangerousMinds]

51 minutes ago, Lunera said:

I guess she doesn't know that Hispanic means spanish speaking. She should have said she's a quarter Salvadoran.

Also, she didn't get an Associate degree in nursing pretty sure it was just nursing prerequisites (Anatomy/physiology, biology, chemistryx etc). Its still pretty impressive for a fundie.

And what’s stopping her from continuing to study Spanish in the hopes of becoming fluent? She doesn’t work.

[Barb23]

Josiah is the one who should have the nursing degree.  He's going to need every care taker skill out there to get Lauren through childbirth. 

She also doesn't seem the type who could handle bodily fluids (like taking care of a bed pan) without screeching "Ewww" like a 10 year old.   

[Spencer Hastings]

8 hours ago, ginger90 said:

If it works, here’s the link to the campus tour:

Dang, that was depressing.  I’m extremely passionate about learning and I know that school isn’t for everyone (or the only way to learn), but Lauren didn’t even hide her annoyance about wasting her time in school.  There was much so “Yeah, our kids could go to college IF....”

Jinger tried to sound more open minded to match what Jeremy might think but they all seem pretty set on only going to college if there’s something you really want to get expertise in. That’s okay, but sometimes you start a major and decide that it’s not for you.  A lot of college is figuring out what you want to do as you go because it’s hard to make that decision at 17/18 years old. I’m glad Lauren’s dad at least gave the girls the option of trying school, even if it was just a placeholder until marriage. I hope her sister keeps her ambition. 

[GeeGolly]

Nice try Joy, but none of your brothers has a career as a firefighter, pilot or law enforcement. None of your brothers even appear to have a full-time job.

[galaxygirl76]

9 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

And what’s stopping her from continuing to study Spanish in the hopes of becoming fluent? She doesn’t work.

She's pregnant, that's basically like having a job in their circles. 

[Churchhoney]

10 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

And what’s stopping her from continuing to study Spanish in the hopes of becoming fluent? She doesn’t work.

I think you gave us the answer -- "She doesn't work." !

And that includes studying anything. When she said decidedly that she was absolutely done with school at age 18, I guess that was our clue. .... Didn't make any sense to me -- why would you start Spanish and take a pre-nursing curriculum and such if you really had zero interest in ever looking at them again or making use of them in any way after you were 18 and a half?

But I guess it was just that her family said," Lauren, you have to do something till you marry," and these were the placeholders? 

I also wonder, if you're this uninterested in the work of learning stuff, how interested are you going to be in the work of running a household with a bunch of kids in it? I do know people who love doing the latter and hate doing the former. But I also know people who consider both things drudgery, once they start doing them, and I wonder whether Lauren will be that sort. I hope not, but I sort of picture her only really enjoying being the center of attention somewhere. 

[Churchhoney]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Nice try Joy, but none of your brothers has a career as a firefighter, pilot or law enforcement. None of your brothers even appear to have a full-time job.

Joy always does give it the old non-college try. 

I remember some speeches in which she explained how brilliantly and completely JB's method of "watch a plumber for 30 minutes" has prepared his children to undertake virtually any job on the planet with more success than anyone else anywhere. 

For a person who is supposedly one of the very few who's ever raised questions about the family ideologies, she's been very effectively brainwashed. 

[Fosca]

I wonder, given Lauren's apparent drama-queen-ness, if Josiah will be doing a lot of the non-glamorous child care--changing diapers, etc.  I just don't think Lauren's view of herself as a mother includes that kind of scut-work, and I'm not sure there's a spare auntie-mom available.

[graefin]

1 hour ago, not you again said:

YMMV but - I'm a Georgia native, and still live here, and I've never heard y'all used as singular by anyone.  It is, literally, a contraction of "you all" which implies plurality in the words themselves.  I happily and proudly use y'all in conversation but would never walk up to a person alone and say "What are ya'll doing?";  it would be "What are you doing?"  "All y'all" to me is simply to emphasize each person in a group - as in, "All y'all come back here and pick up this trash you dropped - we don't litter!"

This whole plural/singular "y'all" discussion is actually moot in this context because what Lauren actually said was "getting real, y'all," not "getting ready for y'all."

[libgirl2]

16 hours ago, Lunera said:

I guess she doesn't know that Hispanic means spanish speaking. She should have said she's a quarter Salvadoran.

Also, she didn't get an Associate degree in nursing pretty sure it was just nursing prerequisites (Anatomy/physiology, biology, chemistryx etc). Its still pretty impressive for a fundie.

I didn't realize it. I consider myself part Hispanic as my mother is Dominican. I was born in the US but I do speak Spanish. I'm confused. 

[ginger90]

Someone asked Lauren why she’s not practicing. Her reply:

[JoanArc]

32 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Someone asked Lauren why she’s not practicing. Her reply:

Oh, and I'd have to take a bunch or nursing classes. She's Durwood level twisting the truth about her education. Her college doesn't even hand out a nursing degree, FFS! This this would be no different than someone with a premed degree trying to pass themselves off as a doctor. Josiah, you should be ashamed of being married to lair like this.

Slip her a gluten-laden meal for me.

Edited September 12, 2019 by JoanArc

[doodlebug]

46 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Someone asked Lauren why she’s not practicing. Her reply:

If nursing is not her 'passion', why spend 2 years doing prerequisites for it?  Did she have no passion whatsoever?  She could've studied dozens of other subjects instead of pre-nursing and maybe she could've found her passion someplace else.  As I recall, she went to campus accompanied by her sister.  Was this like Jana being forced to 'study' midwifery because Jill wasn't allowed outside of the compound on her own?  Remember Jana clearly disliked the stuff she was compelled to do while Jill got to hang out with the fake midwives and pretend to become a competent practitioner.  Maybe Lauren's sister wants to be a nurse and Lauren ended up dragged to class with her.  If so, I sure hope her sister is finishing/has finished and she actually practices.  However, since Lauren is the eldest in her family, she probably picked pre-nursing because she could fit all the classes in before lunch or something.

As noted above, she would not only have to take board exams; she would also need to spend at least a couple of years taking actual nursing courses and clinicals.  Details, details

Edited September 13, 2019 by doodlebug

[yogi2014L]

17 hours ago, doodlebug said:

As noted above, she would not only have to take board exams; she would also need to spend at least a couple of years taking actual nursing courses and clinicals.  Details, details

Additionally, someone on Reddit pointed out that there is no way any school would allow a minor in clinicals. 

She is either so uneducated that she is ignorant to the actual requirements to become a nurse, or she is trying to fool everyone. LOL. Good luck Lauren. Does she realize in the real world she isn't impressive ? It's actually sad.  She better stick to fundie circles. 

Edited September 13, 2019 by yogi2014L

[Twopper]

5 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I didn't realize it. I consider myself part Hispanic as my mother is Dominican. I was born in the US but I do speak Spanish. I'm confused. 

Moi aussi.   

Actually I know only a little Spanish and I thought I was part Hispanic because my father was Spanish-Portuguese.

[jcbrown]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

If nursing is not her 'passion', why spend 2 years doing prerequisites for it?  Did she have no passion whatsoever?  She could've studied dozens of other subjects instead of pre-nursing and maybe she could've found her passion someplace else.  As I recall, she went to campus accompanied by her sister.  Was this like Jana being forced to 'study' midwifery because Jill wasn't allowed outside of the compound on her own?  Remember Jana clearly disliked the stuff she was compelled to do while Jill got to hang out with the fake midwives and pretend to become a competent practitioner.  Maybe Lauren's sister wants to be a nurse and Lauren ended up dragged to class with her.  If so, I sure hope her sister is finishing/has finished and she actually practices.  However, since Lauren is the eldest in her family, she probably picked pre-nursing because she could fit all the classes in before lunch or something.

As noted above, she would not only have to take board exams; she would also need to spend at least a couple of years taking actual nursing courses and clinicals.  Details, details

Actually, in the college tour video I forced myself to watch, Lauren's younger sister said she wants to finish her Bachelor's degree and go on to complete a Master's degree in speech pathology. I think the ambition missed Lauren and her sister got it all.

And I second the hope that someone feeds her a meal full of gluten (she's not celiac, right, just a special snowflake?).

[Oldernowiser]

I’m just grateful nobody asked her what her passion is, because you know it was going to be Si and her “children.”

[GeeGolly]

Lauren's passion in life is letting everyone know how hard life is for her.

Learning is hard, eating is hard, being pregnant is hard, her first year of marriage was hard...

[madpsych78]

OK, but my first thought upon reading Lauren's IG post was that this girl is really egocentric and really just all in her own world. 

[Barb23]

20 hours ago, not you again said:

I know a bit about GMC because I live 40 minutes or so from Milledgeville and my son attended a few quarters there.  Yes, quarters.  They still use the quarter system.  GMC is a private junior college that also has a private elementary and secondary program all there together on campus.  It's a joke from start to finish.  Almost nothing will transfer to a University-system school.  Her having attained a degree from there doesn't make her educated in any sense.

Thank you for posting this info & it explains a lot.  I think Lauren & Lily (?name) said they were 17 & 15 when they started the high school/college dual plan.   I was wondering how this worked for them esp when Lily was only 15 when she started.  That seems awful young & in my area, the dual plan is for high school seniors & it's usually for just a class or two of college electives.  

9 hours ago, jcbrown said:

Actually, in the college tour video I forced myself to watch, Lauren's younger sister said she wants to finish her Bachelor's degree and go on to complete a Master's degree in speech pathology. I think the ambition missed Lauren and her sister got it all.

This part of the video stuck out for me. I doubt Lily will ever become a speech pathologist with the education she has received not to mention what she still has to do. On the video, she really sounded like she had her act together & future planned out in a non-fundie sort of way. How sad --I think the only Masters she will get is in the art of Marrying & Having Babies. I hope I'm wrong.

When I was in a nursing home for rehab following surgery last year,  my roommate had had a stroke & was being seen by a speech therapist who came to our room. The therapist & I got talking one day & she told me she was a licensed speech pathologist. She explained how much schooling & training she needed to become one which was extensive.  Lily has a long way to go but I wish her the best. She does seem like the ambitious sister.

Edited September 13, 2019 by Barb23

[crazycatlady58]

11 hours ago, jcbrown said:

Actually, in the college tour video I forced myself to watch, Lauren's younger sister said she wants to finish her Bachelor's degree and go on to complete a Master's degree in speech pathology. I think the ambition missed Lauren and her sister got it all.

And I second the hope that someone feeds her a meal full of gluten (she's not celiac, right, just a special snowflake?).

Just because you are not celiac does not mean you can eat wheat. As I have gotten older I have developed IBS-D. I cannot digest flour well as well as a lot of vegetables.

[Picture It. Sicily]

She would have been a terrible nurse. 

[BitterApple]

Lauren is determined to be a martyr in all areas of her life. Why would you even bother doing nursing pre-reqs if you had no interest in the field? Given the science-heavy courseload, that would be a pretty miserable two years. If you're just going to college as a placeholder anyways, maybe enroll in a program you'll actually enjoy? She's an odd duck. 

[PikaScrewChu]

3 hours ago, Barb23 said:

Thank you for posting this info & it explains a lot.  I think Lauren & Lily (?name) said they were 17 & 15 when they started the high school/college dual plan.   I was wondering how this worked for them esp when Lily was only 15 when she started.  That seems awful young & in my area, the dual plan is for high school seniors & it's usually for just a class or two of college electives.  

This part of the video stuck out for me. I doubt Lily will ever become a speech pathologist with the education she has received not to mention what she still has to do. On the video, she really sounded like she had her act together & future planned out in a non-fundie sort of way. How sad --I think the only Masters she will get is in the art of Marrying & Having Babies. I hope I'm wrong.

When I was in a nursing home for rehab following surgery last year,  my roommate had had a stroke & was being seen by a speech therapist who came to our room. The therapist & I got talking one day & she told me she was a licensed speech pathologist. She explained how much schooling & training she needed to become one which was extensive.  Lily has a long way to go but I wish her the best. She does seem like the ambitious sister.

Lily may get the opportunity. How many fundie boys are around her age and have the ability to independently financially support a wife? It seems like not many. There is no doubt that Lauren's family was sniffing around the Duggars so that Lauren could land a Duggar boy (any boy, didn't matter which one). The Swansons did slightly better than JRod in social climbing. 

The rest might be like the Seewald daughters and work. No meal tickets for them! You get to work for your food!

[Churchhoney]

15 hours ago, doodlebug said:

If nursing is not her 'passion', why spend 2 years doing prerequisites for it?  Did she have no passion whatsoever? 

I expect this is it. Something tells me her only real passion is Lauren. And nobody offers courses in that. 

14 hours ago, yogi2014L said:

Additionally, someone on Reddit pointed out that there is no way any school would allow a minor to clinicals. 

She is either so uneducated that she is ignorant to the actual requirements to become a nurse, or she is trying to fool everyone. LOL. Good luck Lauren. Does she realize in the real world she isn't impressive ? It's actually sad.  She better stick to fundie circles. 

Well, I can't really blame her for being visible to non-fundies. If it weren't for TLC, nobody but the nuttiest of fundies would ever have heard of these people. 

Otherwise, I agree completely. 

Edited September 13, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

9 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Lauren's passion in life is letting everyone know how hard life is for her.

Learning is hard, eating is hard, being pregnant is hard, her first year of marriage was hard...

Josiah probably isn't that hard, though. 

Sorry. Couldn't help myself. 

[Jynnan tonnix]

2 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Lauren is determined to be a martyr in all areas of her life. Why would you even bother doing nursing pre-reqs if you had no interest in the field? Given the science-heavy courseload, that would be a pretty miserable two years. If you're just going to college as a placeholder anyways, maybe enroll in a program you'll actually enjoy? She's an odd duck. 

Really. She seems to enjoy music and have a pretty singing voice. Surely she could load up on some classes that would enable her to teach music, or something. That has to be an acceptable fundie girl ambition, no?

[GeeGolly]

I just can't watch the video again, but I believe she said she chose nursing because she "likes helping people". She was 16 when she made the choice to pursue nursing. It's hard enough to pick a life career at 18, nevermind 16. Her current passion appears to be home decorating.

Very typical for a 16 year old to change their minds of 'what they want to be when they grow up'. Even 20 year olds change their college major prior to their junior year - because they're still maturing.

And now Lauren is 19, married, pregnant for the second time, with an Associate's in Pre-reqs. 

[jcbrown]

7 hours ago, crazycatlady58 said:

Just because you are not celiac does not mean you can eat wheat. As I have gotten older I have developed IBS-D. I cannot digest flour well as well as a lot of vegetables.

No offense intended to you and others in similar situations, @crazycatlady58.

It's just that in Lauren's case, I definitely get the idea that she jumped on a gluten-free bandwagon because it gives her more chances to say "me! me! look at me!  look at how special and fragile I am! Eating is so hard!"

[Angeltoes]

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 That seems awful young & in my area, the dual plan is for high school seniors & it's usually for just a class or two of college electives.  

High school kids here can take college classes and then graduate with their high school diploma and AA at the same time.  We went to our friends' daughter's graduation and about five or six kids out of about 200 did just that (our friends' daughter being one of them).  It's an impressive feat but I never would have had the discipline to do it myself.

[dargosmydaddy]

I didn't watch the video, but is Lily the super blond one who someone here once called fundie Daenerys Targaryen?

[Natalie68]

20 hours ago, yogi2014L said:

Additionally, someone on Reddit pointed out that there is no way any school would allow a minor in clinicals. 

She is either so uneducated that she is ignorant to the actual requirements to become a nurse, or she is trying to fool everyone. LOL. Good luck Lauren. Does she realize in the real world she isn't impressive ? It's actually sad.  She better stick to fundie circles. 

She may just be delusional.  If that Bates (Nathan?) can think he is a dentist for whatever reason or at least he has enough skills to have his fingers in someone's mouth I am sure she is ready to scrub in and assist in surgery.  Re the Bates kid, I am an ex hairdresser and I cannot even legally cut someone's hair without a license so how on earth did he get away with that???  It seriously disturbs me.  Like some official needs to look into that.  Surely that isn't the only person he did dental work on.

[Temperance]

To be fair to Lauren lots of kids want to be a veternarian, a doctor, a nurse, etc. and then find out how much work it is and decide it's not for them. Homeschooling may also make school seem eaiser than it is (depending on the parents, curriculum, etc.). It's also possible Lauren really had trouble keeping up with school even if she was earning good grades.

And then in her world, it's not important women have a career or education or a way to earn money. I still get the sense her parents are happy she chose to get married and not pursue more education.

It does sound she's misleading us about being a nurse. Although it wouldn't surprise me if fundies were ignorant enough to confuse pre-requisites with actual nursting courses. 

I hope all of her sisters take a different path. 

[Tigregirl]

In my state, you can get an Associate Degree in nursing, and are then qualified to take the RN exam.  I don’t know about Lauren’s school but there are Associate Degrees in nursing that are not just the pre-reqs.

[Sew Sumi]

Someone above posted the specs for Lauren's pre-nursing degree. Holders of that AA are NOT qualified to take the nursing exam. It's a feeder program; you have to transfer to another school.to finish.

Edited September 14, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[Gemma Violet]

1 hour ago, Tigregirl said:

In my state, you can get an Associate Degree in nursing, and are then qualified to take the RN exam.  I don’t know about Lauren’s school but there are Associate Degrees in nursing that are not just the pre-reqs.

I remember at the university I went to in the 70s, there was an option of either an Associates Degree or Bachelors Degree to become a Registered Nurse.  Some time in the 80s, they got rid of the Associates program and you had to have a Bachelors.