ginger90 July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said: 4 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said: I thought the Duggars went to Israel already. Some of that has to be financed by Austin. There's no way TLC would want to show Joy Takes Israel Part II. Duggars in Israel http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2012/03/photos-duggars-in-israel.html 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420369
ariel July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 1 minute ago, ginger90 said: Duggars in Israel And they will demand bacon or pork sausages for breakfast. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420382
twinkietwin94 July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said: I find that clip stranger and stranger every time I see it. I never would have dared touch my FIL like that. But yeah that brush at the end reads as "Get out of my way." It is really odd, she seems to be smiling when she's poking? him, then I couldn't tell if she was brushing him away or maybe taking a pen from his pocket but it all comes across as really strange considering the way she was raised. IDK maybe Austin's family is just more physically affectionate and as she was never shown that she doesn't know the best way to do it but she craves the connection and casual loving touch so she's trying to do it without really knowing how, 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420486
GeeGolly July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 The video creeps me out too. I'm finding it weird that I really can't pin point why. Not a normal Duggar thing? Not a typical FIL & DIL thing? Or the fact it looks kind of natural and spontaneous? But then part of me thinks he was going to hug her and she stopped him by poking his belly. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420526
Sew Sumi July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Temperance said: Kurt is a fictional character. The movie children oldest to youngest were Liesl, Friedrich, Louisa, Kurt, Brigitta, Marta, Gretl. The real life Von Trapp children oldest to youngest were Rupert, Agatha, Werner, Maria, Hedwig, Johanna, Martina. Then Maria and the captain had three kids of their own Rosemary, Lorelei, and Johannes. I read at least two of Maria's books she wrote with another writer and they were sort of fundy Catholic. That some of the huge family became even more fundamentalist non Catholic is not surprising. Right. I just used Kurt because it was a recognizable character. The singing group consists of the counterpart of "Kurt's" grandchildren. Sorry I wasn't more clear, but I went for expediency. :) Edited July 1, 2017 by Sew Sumi 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420542
louannems July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Sew Sumi said: Von Trapp grandchildren (I think Kurt's) have been making the fundie singing circuit over the past few years. It sounds like while the original Von Trapps were Catholic, once they immigrated, some of them left the Church along the way. I do wonder if The Sound of Music is permitted fundie viewing, because YAY! wholesome singing families, but BOO! ebil Maria the former nun. I saw them in my town of Kent, Washington about 12 years ago! They were very good singers and my 6 yr old neice loved the show! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420559
awaken July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, GeeGolly said: The video creeps me out too. I'm finding it weird that I really can't pin point why. Not a normal Duggar thing? Not a typical FIL & DIL thing? Or the fact it looks kind of natural and spontaneous? But then part of me thinks he was going to hug her and she stopped him by poking his belly. Ew. Any of those options creep me out. I cannot imagine tickling my FIL's beer belly playfully, and I'm accustomed to a normal level of touching and affection. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420821
BitterApple July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 To me it looked like Mr. Forsyth was uncomfortable with the contact and brushed her off. Maybe since Joy was the tomboy of the group she doesn't look at male/female affection the same way the J'Slaves would. She may be naturally more comfortable with guys because that's all she was surrounded by before the Duggars turned her into a Stepford bride. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420960
Catfin July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 9 hours ago, Sew Sumi said: I also noticed he sold his house FSBO. I didn't know you could still do that after the housing crash. I never see it around here, but this ain't backwater AR. You can't buy a closet for $69k here. Sew, San Jose/San Fran? I have clients there and just hotels are mind boggling for cost. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420976
Sew Sumi July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Catfin said: Sew, San Jose/San Fran? I have clients there and just hotels are mind boggling for cost. Yes, and yes. Thank goodness my city has rent control! What we pay for a 2 bedroom would still boggle the minds of many. We sure as hell can't afford to buy. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3420984
IntoTheMystic July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 In that scene with Joy and Mr. Forsyth, she was commenting on how uneven/crooked the countertop was and you can hear him shushing her. Then she tickled his belly and it looks like she was reaching for something in his pocket because he then reaches for it as well. Maybe safety glasses or something? It made me feel weird and uncomfortable and weird. Maybe since she's known the guy 15+ years she is really comfortable with him and they have a playful touchy/feely relationship, but it still didn't sit right with me. I'm the least prudish person on the planet and I've given my father in law many hugs. I've known him almost 25 years, but I still wouldn't poke him in the belly. That's just me. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3421265
Scarlett45 July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 8 hours ago, BitterApple said: To me it looked like Mr. Forsyth was uncomfortable with the contact and brushed her off. Maybe since Joy was the tomboy of the group she doesn't look at male/female affection the same way the J'Slaves would. She may be naturally more comfortable with guys because that's all she was surrounded by before the Duggars turned her into a Stepford bride. Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with the belly poke, (so long as Mr F was okay with it )but these are the Duggars. I could see Joy poking her own father that way before her soon to be father in law when she isn't even allowed to show affection to her courting partner. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3421403
Churchhoney July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 14 hours ago, Sew Sumi said: Well, on the Andy Griffith Show, Andy dated a woman without asking her father to court first. Then there was the town drunk... They have said, though, haven't they, that they don't watch all the episodes of Andy Griffith? lol .... And I'm also pretty sure I've heard of Jim Bob saying that he actually has serious reservations about Sheriff Andy because he doesn't turn immediately and solely to prayer whenever there's a problem but keeps on insisting that they should do something about the problems themselves. ....Which explains a lot about the Duggars, come to think of it. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3421439
floridamom July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 That scene with Joy and Mr. Forsyth was an awkward one. Why was Mr. Forsyth approaching Joy in the first place? She did 'brush him off'. I cringe at the society the Duggars live in and their moral practices. So much going on under the table there, as Jim Bob admitted, sexual-wise in that interview with Kelly. I would think in their belief system, that physical poking-contact, however minimal would not be permitted. Yes, after all, she's not allowed to even have held Austin's hand during their courthship, only after engagement. They never really make any sense to me. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3421440
JoanArc July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Churchhoney said: They have said, though, haven't they, that they don't watch all the episodes of Andy Griffith? lol .... And I'm also pretty sure I've heard of Jim Bob saying that he actually has serious reservations about Sheriff Andy because he doesn't turn immediately and solely to prayer whenever there's a problem but keeps on insisting that they should do something about the problems themselves. ....Which explains a lot about the Duggars, come to think of it. Jeez, that's such an X-ray if Jim Bob's soul. HTH does a police officer turn to prayer when stopping crime? "Hey, just keep getting raped a few minutes, I gotta ask JC how to fix this one!" Does JD turn immediately and solely to prayer when the plane's error lights come on? Did prayer alone fix Josh's situation? What if God's answer is to fix it yourself? There's a good Andy Griffith movie about reality TV made in the 50's JB needs to see - A Face In The Crowd. It's basically the story of what happens when a low life gets famous, and builds a career on a fake, countrified persona. Jim Bob is Lonesome Rhodes! Let us Pray 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3421807
Lunera July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 Looks like she suddenly turned around and to avoid her breasts brushing him she poked him in the belly and tries to get away from him but then tried to grab something from his pocket. Very weird. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422246
Mollie July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 Here's a picture of Joy and Austin on their honeymoon. They posted this on Instagram, stating that it was their one-month wedding anniversary. That's a long honeymoon for a Duggar! In the picture, they are at Lake Kinneret in the HaGalil region of Israel. This is the lowest fresh-water lake in the world, and the second lowest lake in the world (second only to the Dead Sea). The lake is fed by underground springs and by the Jordan River which runs through the lake from north to south. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422258
Westiepeach July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, IntoTheMystic said: Maybe since she's known the guy 15+ years she is really comfortable with him and they have a playful touchy/feely relationship, but it still didn't sit right with me. I'm the least prudish person on the planet and I've given my father in law many hugs. I've known him almost 25 years, but I still wouldn't poke him in the belly. That's just me. Husband and I just celebrated 30 years of marriage. We dated for 3 years before that. I would never ever do that to FIL. Hell, I don't even call him "dad." I don't call him anything! Just to add ... when my mother died 5 years into our marriage ... MIL came up to me at my mother's wake, stuck her hand out, and said she was sorry for my loss. I was talking to a friend at the time, and if you could have seen the "WTF" look she gave me ... Edited July 1, 2017 by Westiepeach In-laws have ice water in their veins, apparently. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422291
ariel July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 29 minutes ago, Mollie said: Here's a picture of Joy and Austin on their honeymoon. They posted this on Instagram, stating that it was their one-month wedding anniversary. That's a long honeymoon for a Duggar! In the picture, they are at Lake Kinneret in the HaGalil region of Israel. This is the lowest fresh-water lake in the world, and the second lowest lake in the world (second only to the Dead Sea). The lake is fed by underground springs and by the Jordan River which runs through the lake from north to south. I wonder what the locals think of Austin's shirt? It must be really nice to done basically nothing in your life & be given a free lavish honeymoon. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422349
riverblue22 July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 Joy's probably pregnant by now... 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422358
Mollie July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 1 minute ago, ariel said: I wonder what the locals think of Austin's shirt? It must be really nice to done basically nothing in your life & be given a free lavish honeymoon. In that part of the world, 'football' means 'soccer.' There are no fans of American football in Israel except for Americans who immigrated to Israel. Texas means J. R. Ewing from the old Dallas TV show, because for many years Israel only had one television channel and everyone watched Dallas, which was syndicated in Israel. Younger people associate Texas with President George W. Bush. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422368
ariel July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Mollie said: Younger people associate Texas with President George W. Bush. In George Takei's voice "OH MY" 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422377
Mollie July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 1 minute ago, ariel said: In George Takei's voice "OH MY" 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422385
bigskygirl July 1, 2017 Share July 1, 2017 Please keep the conversation on Joy and Austin and not Israel the country or the country's politics. Also do not tell others what to or not what to post on here since it is breaking the be civil rule. If someone posts something you do not care for, the mods highly suggest using the Ignore Feature. Thank you. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422746
Lunera July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 https://m.facebook.com/oneforIsrael/photos/a.249252511759382.67980.244347532249880/1822262114458406/?type=3&source=54 Looks like Austin and Joy are playing missionaries in Israel. One for Israel ministry spread the word of Christ in Isreal to Jews and Arabs, according to their website. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422934
ginger90 July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 Ugh Austin's another one that has to hold his wife in pictures. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422968
Genevrier July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 To me it looks like she is holding him, actually. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422981
bigskygirl July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 I see knees and women wearing shorts. NIKE!!! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3422997
Sew Sumi July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 Looks like they are on their way back to NWA. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423073
FakeJoshDuggar July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 7 hours ago, Mollie said: Here's a picture of Joy and Austin on their honeymoon. They posted this on Instagram, stating that it was their one-month wedding anniversary. That's a long honeymoon for a Duggar! In the picture, they are at Lake Kinneret in the HaGalil region of Israel. This is the lowest fresh-water lake in the world, and the second lowest lake in the world (second only to the Dead Sea). The lake is fed by underground springs and by the Jordan River which runs through the lake from north to south. They look 12. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423091
Arwen Evenstar July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 Joy has the same pointy chin as Jessa. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423098
RazzleberryPie July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said: Looks like they are on their way back to NWA. How does Joy simultaniously look like she's a high school kid and also have the crow's feet and sunken under eye hollows of a tired 40 year old? 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423101
Sew Sumi July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 Joy's gone to the Jill Dullard school of eyeliner application. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423136
riverblue22 July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 In that group photo Joy is wearing the same shoes she wore to her wedding. I could hardly believe when I saw those brown sandals (?) under her lovely wedding dress. I guess she takes her cues from Jessa and her fugly sandals. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423283
JoanArc July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 "The best way to bless Israel is with Jesus" avpccirubg to Austin's swag necklace. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423288
kokapetl July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sew Sumi said: Joy's gone to the Jill Dullard school of eyeliner application. I'm sure if we look close enough, we can see the little paint by numbers. Edited July 2, 2017 by Kokapetl 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423325
GeeGolly July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 https://www.oneforisrael.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/OFI-ministry-trip-june-22-july-3-with-early-transfer.pdf It appears to be the typical missioncation - with way more 'cation' and not much mission. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423442
Churchhoney July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, GeeGolly said: https://www.oneforisrael.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/OFI-ministry-trip-june-22-july-3-with-early-transfer.pdf It appears to be the typical missioncation - with way more 'cation' and not much mission. Except they see it the other way around. (Of course, I guess in this case that's okay with me, since in this case there'd be no pretext that this is anything but a conversion mission, I'd guess.) Edited July 2, 2017 by Churchhoney 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423477
leighdear July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 I will say, Joy looks pretty happy and healthy. And it looks like she's wearing a sleeveless athletic type shirt, or tank top. Baby steps. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423688
RazzleberryPie July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 21 minutes ago, leighdear said: I will say, Joy looks pretty happy and healthy. And it looks like she's wearing a sleeveless athletic type shirt, or tank top. Baby steps. Is that beachwear/swimwear? I agree. Baby steps. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423717
Nysha July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 14 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said: Joy has the same pointy chin as Jessa. So does Austin. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423873
Albanyguy July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, RazzleberryPie said: How does Joy simultaniously look like she's a high school kid and also have the crow's feet and sunken under eye hollows of a tired 40 year old? Vitamin deficiency. A diet of processed crap and never any fresh fruits or vegetables can make your skin old before its time. Edited July 2, 2017 by Albanyguy 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3423983
JocelynCavanaugh July 2, 2017 Share July 2, 2017 16 hours ago, RazzleberryPie said: How does Joy simultaniously look like she's a high school kid and also have the crow's feet and sunken under eye hollows of a tired 40 year old? Crow's feet from spending too much time in the sun without sunglasses or SPF, and sunken under eyes due to allergies, would be my guess. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3424111
Fostersmom July 3, 2017 Share July 3, 2017 Don't forget the 7 or so kids she's raised in her 19 years. Those kids were draining. 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3424816
Fuzzysox July 3, 2017 Share July 3, 2017 10 hours ago, leighdear said: I will say, Joy looks pretty happy and healthy. And it looks like she's wearing a sleeveless athletic type shirt, or tank top. Baby steps. Her wedding band is missing. First thing I noticed. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3424878
Mojitogirl July 3, 2017 Share July 3, 2017 I just gave a quick glance at that One for Israel ministry website, but am I understanding correctly that they are trying to convert Jews to Christianity???? I really don't understand the relationship of these Christians with Judaism (Jills kid is named Israel which would arguably be a heathen country if they are trying to convert the citizens). 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3424892
GeeGolly July 3, 2017 Share July 3, 2017 It looks like they're both wearing short sleeved baseball styled Ts. Hers gray & black, his blue & purple. Matchy-matchy. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3424911
Sew Sumi July 3, 2017 Share July 3, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Mojitogirl said: I just gave a quick glance at that One for Israel ministry website, but am I understanding correctly that they are trying to convert Jews to Christianity???? I really don't understand the relationship of these Christians with Judaism (Jills kid is named Israel which would arguably be a heathen country if they are trying to convert the citizens). Yes, you're correct. And their main concentration is HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS. I can't even... Edited July 3, 2017 by Sew Sumi 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3424985
Loves2Dance July 3, 2017 Share July 3, 2017 23 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said: Yes, you're correct. And their main concentration is HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS. I can't even... There are too many 'why's' in the universe for that statement... Joy looks happy, which is more than I can say for some of the other Duggars, so that is good. They're young and stupid, but at least they're young and stupid together I suppose. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3425082
Lady Edith July 3, 2017 Share July 3, 2017 Dear LORD. There is so much wrong with this. 1. The Jewish people are NOT going to give up a thousands-year-old religion just because some crazy Americans threw a couple of tracts at them while on vacation. 2. God is God. The top dog. The head cheese. Says so as numero uno in "the Big 10" that they supposedly follow. They seemed to have forgotten that little fact along the way. Jesus may have come along and changed the rules a bit but his father is still the reigning head. It seems to me that the Duggars and their ilk put the son ahead of the father. Rarely a mention of God, but everything for Jesus. And the Jews (who worship the same God as Christians do) I'm sure do not take lightly to that. @Mojitogirl their relationship with Israel is simple...that's where Jesus was born. And that's where it ends. Because anyone who does not worship Jesus as the head honcho is bad in their book and needs to be converted. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/51212-joy-and-austin-this-one-time-at-family-camp/page/44/#findComment-3425108
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