Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[Ohiopirate02]

When I hear the name Evelyn, I immediately think of Evelyn Waugh.  The Englishman who was once married to a female Evelyn, who converted to Catholicism, and who wrote Brideshead Revisited a book with so much queer subtext it was downright scandalous in 1940s England.  

[PikaScrewChu]

1 hour ago, graefin said:

I guess it's Evv-y and not Eve-y?

Weirdly enough I knew two Evelyns growing up and it was always Evv-y.

Evelyn derived from Avila, which the meaning is unknown but may mean "desired". It's also associated with St. Teresa of Avila.

I'm thinking Joy and Austin saw the "desired" meaning and ran with it rather than remember the aunt Smuggar was talking about.

[Zella]

35 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

When I hear the name Evelyn, I immediately think of Evelyn Waugh.  The Englishman who was once married to a female Evelyn, who converted to Catholicism, and who wrote Brideshead Revisited a book with so much queer subtext it was downright scandalous in 1940s England.  

I'd forgotten about that! I read their friends called them "He-Evelyn" and "She-Evelyn" to avoid confusion! 🤣 

20 minutes ago, not you again said:

I wonder if they're going to pronounce Evelyn as ev-eh-lynn, or the British way, eev-lynn. 🧐

I'd like to think of myself as a well-read person, but I had no clue the Brits pronounced it a different way until I watched Downton Abbey. 😄 (And that made the joke above about Evelyn Waugh and his wife make way more sense.) My assumption would be they will pronounce it the American way, but I guess we'll soon see!

Edited August 28, 2020 by Zella

[lookeyloo]

Evy and ivy- fundy cousins. 

[ehall1052]

Ooh, I like the pronunciation “eev-lynn”.  Except she’d spend her whole life correcting people for saying it wrong.  My MIL was Evelea pronounced Ev-e-lee.

[louannems]

15 hours ago, QuinnInND said:

I like it! Not some made up spelling or some trendy made up name or something stupid like Spurgeon. 

I agree!  Evelyn is not a cutsie baby girl name, like so many modern girl names are.  But when she grows up, it will be very classy.

My mom's name is Marilyn, also a mature name.  I used to always ask my grandma but what did you call her when she was a baby?  Marilyn.  It seemed funny to me.

15 hours ago, QuinnInND said:

I like it! Not some made up spelling or some trendy made up name or something stupid like Spurgeon. 

 

[lookeyloo]

3 minutes ago, louannems said:

I agree!  Evelyn is not a cutsie baby girl name, like so many modern girl names are.  But when she grows up, it will be very classy.

My mom's name is Marilyn, also a mature name.  I used to always ask my grandma but what did you call her when she was a baby?  Marilyn.  It seemed funny to me.

 

My oldest son is named Nathan.  We got a lot of unrequested flack from family members saying "what kind of name is that for a little baby?"  He is a grown man and loves his name and from a small boy never wanted a nickname.  Plus he is named for my beloved Grandpa.  I like most of the vintage names, but it is their choice.  I  don't think they will regret it like Spurgeon's parent.

[Churchhoney]

19 minutes ago, ehall1052 said:

Ooh, I like the pronunciation “eev-lynn”.  Except she’d spend her whole life correcting people for saying it wrong.  My MIL was Evelea pronounced Ev-e-lee.

Actually, it's not so bad to have a slightly unusual pronunciation of your name, though. I do...

And I've found over the years that a) I really don't care if people pronounce my name "wrong" if they're just passersby whom I'll seldom see. Nobody means any harm by it and they're pronouncing it in the way that's most likely to be right overall. No need to correct them. 

And b} for people I am likely to see often, the pronunciation question provides a nice conversational icebreaker if you approach it right,

and c) it can work to my advantage because having the conversation means that sometimes people I really want to remember me, do remember me because of the pronunciation chat. No small thing, at times!  

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by Churchhoney

[Dmarie019]

12 hours ago, Temperance said:

I wonder how they're pronouncing Evy.  Is Ee-vie or Evvie? Most Evelyns I know got by Evie pronounced Eevie and this includes young kids.  Evelyn was #10 on the USA popularity charts so it's very popular.  Most of the Duggar baby names are popular although not that popular. Evelyn is one of the most popular names.  (MacKynzie, Maryella and Spurgeon are the least popular names they've used so far.)

Evelyn Mae is nice. No one guessed either of those names. 

I also had this thought.  I bet if asked Joy and Austin will deny she's named after the lesbian aunt. 

My cousin is an Evie and we pronounce it Eh-vie. I think I remember being shocked when I was younger when finding out her name was actually Evelyn lol  

10 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

My oldest son is named Nathan.  We got a lot of unrequested flack from family members saying "what kind of name is that for a little baby?"  He is a grown man and loves his name and from a small boy never wanted a nickname.  Plus he is named for my beloved Grandpa.  I like most of the vintage names, but it is their choice.  I  don't think they will regret it like Spurgeon's parent.

That’s sort of bizarre! I know so many Nathan’s that I grew up with or friends with family members 

[xwordfanatik]

It's not a cutesy girly name, and I like it.  She'll spend more years as a mature woman than as a child, and to me, that's a plus.  I have a name that's definitely a mature name, and in fact used to be more of a man's name, like Aubrey or Beverly.  It's interesting the way names get popular for a while, and then they're not.  I never would have guessed Joy would have chosen Evelyn, though.

[JAYJAY1979]

Evelyn...nice name.

[Snow Fairy]

She has a new video, going to hospital. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Doesn't include post birth.

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, louannems said:

I agree!  Evelyn is not a cutsie baby girl name, like so many modern girl names are.  But when she grows up, it will be very classy.

My mom's name is Marilyn, also a mature name.  I used to always ask my grandma but what did you call her when she was a baby?  Marilyn.  It seemed funny to me.

 

I love that because I (mostly) hate nicknames! 🙂

[Snow Fairy]

I also gave birth a day after my due date, they kept me in hospital because of less amniotic fluid, and I was induced (breaking water was enough). I understand her being confused, that is not something you expect

 

And another one with the epidural, wow finally

Edited August 28, 2020 by Snow Fairy

[Nysha]

18 hours ago, Heathen said:

And not using a damn name theme like the OG Duggars or the Smuggars. I mean, they could have named her Gevelyn. 

That idea got stopped when John & Abby used Grace. 

[Quof]

What in the hell is that huge photo of Joy and Austin? A tote bag?  A pillow? A wall hanging? 

More importantly, why? 

[iwantcookies]

6 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Evy and ivy- fundy cousins. 

At least they are not twin names! 
I have met Ronnie/Donnie twins before.

Im happy Joy had a healthy baby girl! Definitely has Austin’s nose!

[doodlebug]

3 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Doesn't include post birth.

Kudos to Joy's doctor.  At around 10 minutes, she talks about the visit to the doctor, the ultrasound and the interpretation of the results and is spot on correct as to what is happening and why induction is the best option for her at that point.  The ultrasound was surprisingly accurate at estimating the baby's weight, too, at 8lb 7 oz (I think she was 8lb 5 oz).  Ultrasound has a 10-15% range of error on estimating fetal weight, so that was really excellent.

Joy is also very realistic in her expectations, she is doing everything she can to try to VBAC successfully, but is completely open to the idea that the situation can change and accepting that she might need a cesarean.  She even has a doula with her (Austin's sister).  It has been shown using a doula in labor is more likely to result in a vaginal birth and less need for pain medications.  Joy starts out at 2-3 cm, and her and the doctor plan to use pitocin and rupturing the membranes to get her into labor and that sounds like the best way to go to me.

As for Michelle and the Duggar sisters giving her 'all kinds' of ways to start labor naturally like walking 4+ miles in heat and humidity; well, not so much.  Staying active has been shown to make it less likely for a woman to go overdue and tends to be associated with shorter labors, but you cannot stimulate labor by walking if you're not having strong regular contractions already. As for Joy thinking she must be in early labor because she had a couple of strong contractions while shopping in Bass Pro Shop which then disappeared; no, dear, you're not.

All in all, though, I am impressed with Joy and Austin.  They went into this with good preparation, they paid attention to the advice the doctor gave them and they planned to do as much as they could to have a safe vaginal birth while not compromising her health or the baby's.  

[Canadian Girl]

I have a cousin who named her baby Evelyn, and then exclusively called her EE-vie. I never understood. She could have named her Eve if she wanted her to be EE-vie. 

[Canadian Girl]

On 8/27/2020 at 5:25 PM, PikaScrewChu said:

I wonder if they'll pull a Jessa and change the name.

What does this mean? I don't know this story. 

[emmawoodhouse]

11 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Kudos to Joy's doctor.  At around 10 minutes, she talks about the visit to the doctor, the ultrasound and the interpretation of the results and is spot on correct as to what is happening and why induction is the best option for her at that point.  The ultrasound was surprisingly accurate at estimating the baby's weight, too, at 8lb 7 oz (I think she was 8lb 5 oz).  Ultrasound has a 10-15% range of error on estimating fetal weight, so that was really excellent.

Joy is also very realistic in her expectations, she is doing everything she can to try to VBAC successfully, but is completely open to the idea that the situation can change and accepting that she might need a cesarean.  She even has a doula with her (Austin's sister).  It has been shown using a doula in labor is more likely to result in a vaginal birth and less need for pain medications.  Joy starts out at 2-3 cm, and her and the doctor plan to use pitocin and rupturing the membranes to get her into labor and that sounds like the best way to go to me.

As for Michelle and the Duggar sisters giving her 'all kinds' of ways to start labor naturally like walking 4+ miles in heat and humidity; well, not so much.  Staying active has been shown to make it less likely for a woman to go overdue and tends to be associated with shorter labors, but you cannot stimulate labor by walking if you're not having strong regular contractions already. As for Joy thinking she must be in early labor because she had a couple of strong contractions while shopping in Bass Pro Shop which then disappeared; no, dear, you're not.

All in all, though, I am impressed with Joy and Austin.  They went into this with good preparation, they paid attention to the advice the doctor gave them and they planned to do as much as they could to have a safe vaginal birth while not compromising her health or the baby's.  

I was surprised at the number of people in her room. Has AR really lifted its Covid protocols? And where was Jill? She could have dropped Sam off at Cathy's and had Mima pick up Izzy from school (it was a midday birth, IIRC). I was surprised that she chose Megan (I think that's her name) to be her doula. 

[doodlebug]

6 minutes ago, Canadian Girl said:

What does this mean? I don't know this story. 

When Spurgeon was born, one of Ben's sisters posted congrats along with the baby's name (I don't remember what it was).  Shortly thereafter, Jessa announced his name, and it wasn't the name his sister had given.  Theory was that Jessa was so pissed that someone spilled the beans on his name that she decided to change it then and there so no one could scoop her.

5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I was surprised at the number of people in her room. Has AR really lifted its Covid protocols? And where was Jill? She could have dropped Sam off at Cathy's and had Mima pick up Izzy from school (it was a midday birth, IIRC). I was surprised that she chose Megan (I think that's her name) to be her doula. 

In the hospital, she had Austin and her doula.  That is pretty typical around here.  Where I work, only one support person is allowed per patient, but there are other hospitals that do allow doulas to be there, too.  I presume that is why Austin's sister was wearing a tee shirt identifying her as a doula; to prevent anyone from trying to toss her out as a family member only.

Edited August 28, 2020 by doodlebug

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

When Spurgeon was born, one of Ben's sisters posted congrats along with the baby's name (I don't remember what it was).  Shortly thereafter, Jessa announced his name, and it wasn't the name his sister had given.  Theory was that Jessa was so pissed that someone spilled the beans on his name that she decided to change it then and there so no one could scoop her.

In the hospital, she had Austin and her doula.  That is pretty typical around here.  Where I work, only one support person is allowed per patient, but there are other hospitals that do allow doulas to be there, too.  I presume that is why Austin's sister was wearing a tee shirt identifying her as a doula; to prevent anyone from trying to toss her out as a family member only.

I believe it was leaked as Gabriel. Which is a nice name. I wonder whether they will use it again, either for a boy, or as Gabrielle for a girl.

 

[Zella]

9 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I believe it was leaked as Gabriel. Which is a nice name. I wonder whether they will use it again, either for a boy, or as Gabrielle for a girl.

 

If I was Spurgeon and found out I was going to be named Gabriel and got stuck with Sourgeon instead, I'd probably throat-punch my parents. 

[emmawoodhouse]

16 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I believe it was leaked as Gabriel. Which is a nice name. I wonder whether they will use it again, either for a boy, or as Gabrielle for a girl.

 

Not one of Jessica's finest moments. She seems to have grown up a lot since then.

[PradaKitty]

My mom’s name was Evelyn and she was born in 1916! And... she was named after an Aunt, so the name has been around for a while. She was always surprised to meet another Evelyn. 

[Jynnan tonnix]

8 minutes ago, Zella said:

If I was Spurgeon and found out I was going to be named Gabriel and got stuck with Sourgeon instead, I'd probably throat-punch my parents. 

LOL...I know it was a typo, but Sourgeon might even be worse than Spurgeon. 

[Zella]

50 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

LOL...I know it was a typo, but Sourgeon might even be worse than Spurgeon. 

Bahahaha so true! 

[dargosmydaddy]

Well, he has a lot to be sour about...

[GeeGolly]

10 hours ago, Canadian Girl said:

I have a cousin who named her baby Evelyn, and then exclusively called her EE-vie. I never understood. She could have named her Eve if she wanted her to be EE-vie. 

A lot of nicknames are like that. Robert/Bob, Richard/Dick/Rick, Nathaniel/Nate, Katherine/Kate. I have four friends named Elizabeth and they're called, Liz, Beth, Liza and Lily. 

[Tikichick]

12 hours ago, dargosmydaddy said:

Well, he has a lot to be sour about...

Thinking of all the wasted potential if this generation perpetuates this lifestyle.

[GeeGolly]

45 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

Thinking of all the wasted potential if this generation perpetuates this lifestyle.

True. And I think they will, but to varying degrees.

[Insert Username]

I feel like  Anna got pressured into using a letter themes - how pissed she must be that none of the others have boxed themselves into this.

[doodlebug]

22 hours ago, Insert Username said:

I feel like  Anna got pressured into using a letter themes - how pissed she must be that none of the others have boxed themselves into this.

That's the least of what Anna got pressured into.  She got sold a bill of goods from the start, but, she went along and now she gets to live with it, literally.

[Albanyguy]

23 hours ago, Insert Username said:

how pissed she must be that none of the others have boxed themselves into this.

She may be happy about that. I think that Anna desperately wants to get herself and Josh back on TV and establish herself as the second generation's Perfect, Godly Wife and Mother. A big part of her game plan is to be be more like Michelle than any of the daughters or other daughters-in-law. Popping out the biggest number of kids and being the only one to adhere to JB and Michelle's naming theme is part of her strategy.

[GeeGolly]

Not that it matters, but I think Josh and Anna knew the other kids were unlikely to do a letter theme. If I'm remember correctly in was discussed in an earlier show.

[Temperance]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Not that it matters, but I think Josh and Anna knew the other kids were unlikely to do a letter theme. If I'm remember correctly in was discussed in an earlier show.

Most of his siblings were little kids. How would anyone know what children will name their kids?  (Mama Temperance did pick out my name as child, but that's unsual.) 

As for a letter theme, I got the sense Anna likes it. M has a lot of possibilities and the first born son is named Michael after her dad. 

I think if I were a Duggar, I would do a letter theme so my kids names stuck out more. 

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, Temperance said:

Most of his siblings were little kids. How would anyone know what children will name their kids?  (Mama Temperance did pick out my name as child, but that's unsual.) 

As for a letter theme, I got the sense Anna likes it. M has a lot of possibilities and the first born son is named Michael after her dad. 

I think if I were a Duggar, I would do a letter theme so my kids names stuck out more. 

The oldest four girls were already in their teen years (18, 17, 16 and 15) and had been praying for a husband and children their whole lives.  I'm guessing a couple of them even already had names picked out, maybe not the names they've used, but had picked some. But they didn't say they knew what they were going to name their kids. They only said the didn't think they would use a letter theme.

 

 

[DangerousMinds]

43 minutes ago, Temperance said:

Most of his siblings were little kids. How would anyone know what children will name their kids?  (Mama Temperance did pick out my name as child, but that's unsual.) 

As for a letter theme, I got the sense Anna likes it. M has a lot of possibilities and the first born son is named Michael after her dad. 

I think if I were a Duggar, I would do a letter theme so my kids names stuck out more. 

Why would you want them to necessarily stick out? The healthiest route would be take a back seat and distance yourself from the sick freak show, IMO.

Edited August 30, 2020 by DangerousMinds

[emmawoodhouse]

Poor mite really does have Austin's nose. Thankfully, she'll grow into it.

 

[awaken]

WHOA!  That third photo!  Those Forsyth nostril genes are something else!  I’ve worked with hundreds of newborns and I don’t remember any quite like that!  

[Heathen]

Someone do me a solid and keep me from having to watch the video -- did Joy need another Caesarean? 

[doodlebug]

11 hours ago, Heathen said:

Someone do me a solid and keep me from having to watch the video -- did Joy need another Caesarean? 

We don't know.  The video ends when she is at the hospital being induced and just starting to have regular contractions.

Edited August 31, 2020 by doodlebug

[FizzyPuff]

5 hours ago, doodlebug said:

We don't know.  The video ends when she is at the hospital being induced and just starting to have regular contractions.

She’s probably got a deal with a magazine giving all the “juicy” details, either that or she wants more subscribers so leaves them hanging. 

[xtwheeler]

On 8/28/2020 at 5:27 PM, Zella said:

If I was Spurgeon and found out I was going to be named Gabriel and got stuck with Sourgeon instead, I'd probably throat-punch my parents. 

My god, you don't punish the CHILD in that situation! Buy the SIL a crappy xmas gift, but dear God, "Spurgeon" is a horrific punishment to inflict on a new baby who didn't do anything wrong! 

On 8/29/2020 at 2:21 AM, GeeGolly said:

A lot of nicknames are like that. Robert/Bob, Richard/Dick/Rick, Nathaniel/Nate, Katherine/Kate. I have four friends named Elizabeth and they're called, Liz, Beth, Liza and Lily. 

And the most famous Elizabeth of all, Queen Elizabeth was called Lillibet by her family. 

[Zella]

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4 minutes ago, xtwheeler said:

My god, you don't punish the CHILD in that situation! Buy the SIL a crappy xmas gift, but dear God, "Spurgeon" is a horrific punishment to inflict on a new baby who didn't do anything wrong! 

Yeah it was crappy of them. Just suck it up and don't tell her the name in the future! 

Edited August 31, 2020 by Zella

[emmawoodhouse]

2 hours ago, FizzyPuff said:

She’s probably got a deal with a magazine giving all the “juicy” details, either that or she wants more subscribers so leaves them hanging. 

Or, simple answer, TLC filmed it.

[GeeGolly]

56 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Or, simple answer, TLC filmed it.

We all know how that goes. All the info slowly comes out, leading up to the child's first birthday, mom's next pregnancy announcement, and then TLC airs the birth.

[emmawoodhouse]

It just occurred to me that TLC wouldn't have been allowed in the hospital. I guess if we get labor/delivery video, it will have to come from the doula/SIL's phone.

Edited September 1, 2020 by emmawoodhouse