Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, leighdear said:

So if Derrick thinks we should leave our bodies alone and be the people that his god made us to be, then how can he justify what he willingly did to his own face?

He made himself different.  NOT the way his god made him.  How can he possibly reconcile that with his accusations against Jazz?  Because his choice just involves a face and her choice involves a penis?  I'd LOVE to hear his attempt at justification.  

And if anybody on this planet is guilty of having a Reality show agenda and exploiting minor children, it's the Duggar parents.  From day 1, they've all been trained poodles performing for Jim Bob's purposes.  And now his kids are doing it to their kids.  

Great points about who are the real reality-tv jerks exploiting minor children. I guess because the Duggs force their children into very strict gender roles, though, they aren't  encouraging them to go against "natural law," so it's all good. lol 

I have a bit of a contrarian take, I guess, on what goes on with Derick and Jazz, etc., though.

To me, I just see him and his ilk having the childish "ewww" factor when they encounter any brand of sexuality that isn't precisely like their own. Nothing else gives them that "ewww" factor. Having your jaw fixed would never do that.

And I don't believe they're really alone in this. I had no problem at all intellectually with my gay friends' sexual behavior back when I was a late teen 20-something, but the first time I saw two male friends engaged in heavy petting on my living-room couch I got an intense physical "thump" feeling in my stomach. I was shocked by it, because I truly didn't believe they were doing anything wrong or even strange, but I guess just because it was so unfamiliar to me my lizard-brain kicked me in the stomach. 

The difference is that I felt it but knew it was just a lizard-brain response. Derick and company feel it and they think it's God -- because they're afraid of everything unfamiliar, and they've read some stuff in the Bible written by ancient lizard-brained people who had no opportunity to learn anything about modern biology. And they put those two things together. 

Of course Derick couldn't explain himself because by nature he's a person who believes, and follows and wants the security of a God who lists out every tiny little thing you're supposed to do and thumps you in the stomach when something's wrong wrong wrong. He's not a conscious thinker and analyzer or somebody brave enough to question the pronouncements of the church of his childhood. 

But really I think most people who are adults now have probably had one of those funny feelings when first coming into very close contact with a sexuality different from their own -- or, in many cases, when coming into contact with their own sexuality. Hence, the closet. And some quickly freak out and decide that the shock means something. And others say, Naa, it's just my viscera reacting in an animal way to the unfamiliar.

But younger people, many of whom have known about multiple sexual types since childhood, may never experience one of those stomach shocks. That's got top fundie leaders scared to death. Because it's the ewwww factor that keeps the older adults in the churches and supporting the bigoted talk and action against LGBQT people. The young, however, may not have the visceral response because they may have had out gay friends or friends who feel they want to be trans from quite an early age. So they don't feel the unfamiliarity-driven "ewww" factor and can step back and see the bigotry for what is. ... And in many cases decide to walk away from the religion. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by Churchhoney

[Gemma Violet]

Why can't Derrick and other Christians pounce on a "sin" that affects larger amounts of people.  Of the 323 million people in the U.S., about 60-70 percent are overweight (I include myself in that group).  According to the bible, gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins, so why don't the evangelicals put their time and energy into getting those 200 million people to slim down?  Why pounce on the estimated one million transgenders instead of the 200 million who commit the "sin" of gluttony?  (Again, I include myself.)  They cherry pick one "sin" to go after and ignore the rest.

[EVS]

41 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

Why can't Derrick and other Christians pounce on a "sin" that affects larger amounts of people.  Of the 323 million people in the U.S., about 60-70 percent are overweight (I include myself in that group).  According to the bible, gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins, so why don't the evangelicals put their time and energy into getting those 200 million people to slim down?  Why pounce on the estimated one million transgenders instead of the 200 million who commit the "sin" of gluttony?  (Again, I include myself.)  They cherry pick one "sin" to go after and ignore the rest.

Because then people like me would feel the need to point out how many of the other seven deadly sins Derrick and the Duggars were committing.  At the very least, they regularly commit greed, pride and sloth.

In their minds, I suspect they think issues such as abortion and homosexuality do affect a large number of people. I think they have become more outspoken about transgender issues because they see them being more widely discussed and accepted and so they feel the need to speak up and present their “Christian” viewpoint which is against any sort of acceptance. 

Personally, I wish Derrick would “pounce” on the sins of child molestation and sexual assault since they affected his own wife, but that would never happen since their brand of Christianity doesn’t seem to hold men accountable for “lust” sins. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by EVS
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[Churchhoney]

26 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

Why can't Derrick and other Christians pounce on a "sin" that affects larger amounts of people.  Of the 323 million people in the U.S., about 60-70 percent are overweight (I include myself in that group).  According to the bible, gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins, so why don't the evangelicals put their time and energy into getting those 200 million people to slim down?  Why pounce on the estimated one million transgenders instead of the 200 million who commit the "sin" of gluttony?  (Again, I include myself.)  They cherry pick one "sin" to go after and ignore the rest.

Well, my answer is that they aren't pouncing on "sins." They think they are. But of course they're emphatically not pouncing on anything they do or that people they know do. (although I don;t think most of them realize this). 

What they are pouncing on are things that their lizard brains read as "strange," "unusual," "different." The kinds of things that surprise your lizard brain (which is only happy with what's familiar because that's safe.) ... And because they're lizard-brain driven (again, without realizing it, I'm sure), they read that lizard-brain kick  at surprising and rare things as a message from their souls/consciences/God that those things truly are bad. They see those kicks -- those "ewwwws" --  as God guiding them to realize that those are the bad things. The "sins." 

These are very very fear-based people. And follower-type people -- who get added ammunition for their responses from the fact that some ancient people with no chance to have modern knowledge or a contemporary person's cosmopolitan comfort with different kinds of people in the world wrote strongly against these unusual things as sins decreed by God. 

They believe they're moral thinkers. But really they aren't thinking in terms of morals at all. And, in fact, they don't even think at all. They follow signs that they think they[re getting. They're feeling amygdala-based shock and fear at unfamiliar and unusual things and believing that that shock and fear mean that these thing are sins -- unacceptable to God.    Ergo, only rare and unfamiliar things strike them as sins. 

7 minutes ago, EVS said:

 

Personally, I wish Derrick would “pounce” on the sins of child molestation and sexual assault since it affected his own wife, but that would never happen since their brand of Christianity doesn’t seem to hold men accountable for “lust” sins. 

It wouldn't surprise me at all, though, if down underneath Der has some seriously conflicted feelings about this whole paradox you point out here. And that those internal conflicts are part of what's driving his insanity over the last couple of years. He's certainly been forced by Duggar family tradition to pretend that this whole story doesn't bother him and pretty much never happened. But I don't believe for a minute that he's bought that with his whole soul. I'm pretty sure intra-family child molestation gave him a big lizard kick of "ewwwww" as well. But to be part of the group -- and he's a follower and he'd married into that group -- he's had to pretend that he doesn't feel that one. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by Churchhoney

[Christina87]

28 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

Why can't Derrick and other Christians pounce on a "sin" that affects larger amounts of people.  Of the 323 million people in the U.S., about 60-70 percent are overweight (I include myself in that group).  According to the bible, gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins, so why don't the evangelicals put their time and energy into getting those 200 million people to slim down?  Why pounce on the estimated one million transgenders instead of the 200 million who commit the "sin" of gluttony?  (Again, I include myself.)  They cherry pick one "sin" to go after and ignore the rest.

It seems like it would be really hard to prove all the overweight people in the US were bigger as a direct result of gluttony, whereas it's easier to point at a transgender person who clearly is transgender. Plenty of people have health issues that cause weight gain, or are on antidepressants, or maybe were  eating badly but are in the process of losing the weight, albeit still large. However, I don't think most fundies are capable of this kind of critical thinking. To them, sexual sins are the only ones worth worrying about!

[Readalot]

10 hours ago, Showthyme said:

I am an accountant. Your post is too funny!

Back in the 90’s I used to go to trade conventions that were all accountants. The “dinner and dance parties” were pretty fun to people watch ? Most danced like no one was watching, just like Derrick! Fun times with nice people 

Edited November 14, 2017 by Readalot

[Portia]

I've been watching Mindhunter, a Netflix series about the early days of the FBI's criminal profiling program,  and this character makes me think of You-know-Who. Sorry Derick...he's a perverted child rapist-murderer, not an FBI agent. That must suck for you.

[Temperance]

11 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

Why is Derrick so threatened by Jazz and her being transgender...how she chooses to live her life does not affect him in any way!? 

Someone else had a great comment about Derick and TLC's break-up being a chicken and egg thing, meaning it's hard to tell if Derick quit and so he could "preach his truth" or if TLC fired him first. I think it's very possible TLC asked him to leave first and then he started going after another star on the same network. I can't prove it, but Derick and Jill (I wrote Jazz by accident) have been a "controversial couple" for a while now. It started when they were asking for donations the first time and people were angrily wondering what their money was doing, as they kept traveling back for a variety of reasons including a Bates wedding?, etc. There have been a lot of questions about what exactly they were doing as missionaries as we well know.  I've noticed on clickbait articles and videos about scandals involving the Duggars Josh's crimes are mentioned first and some things about JB and Michelle and then Derick and Jill. So I think people have been upset with him for a while. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by Temperance

[Triple P]

"...then I want to apply to be an FBI agent.

  One of my friends told me that the FBI hires a lot of accountants, and I hadn’t really thought about that because you don’t really think about accountants being FBI agents and carrying a gun. 

  I mean, it made sense to me especially after I got Pete. I already got a little gun handling experience.  It may be a little different from being Pete, but I think it would be neat to work with them and get to be in law enforcement but also be in accounting."

Sorry to harp on this, but I don't think Derick was joking about his gun handling experience as Pistol Pete prepared him for using guns as an FBI agent or other law enforcement officer.

I skimmed through the 37-page document and the writer notes when laughing occurred. No laughter noted in the above quote. When I first read this, I thought he was joking too, but what he says after he talks about gun handling experience seems sincere to me. YMMV

[heckkitty]

Approximately a million years ago, in college, I got involved in a nondenominational Christian cult - kind of like duggars (no dancing, very strict dating rules, super homophobic, & nobody really talked about transgender issues, but they'd have been completely intolerant) & kind of not (pants were ok, and there was probably some racism, but I think it was pretty subtle, & several leaders were minorities).  One day a friend (who was also in the church) came on to me. I had that visceral "lizard brain" response (I was about 20 & very naive) but I'm pretty sure I let her down nicely & told her I wasn't interested in other girls. It would have been mean to do otherwise. I didn't tell anyone; they'd have read me the riot act for not calling out her "sin", & they'd have kicked her out (which frankly would have been the best thing for us both, but like I said, young & naive). That should have been my clue that that group was all wrong for me.  Why can't Dillard do that?

Edited November 14, 2017 by heckkitty

[cereality]

11 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Dwerp working for the FBI as an agent or an accountant. What happened to the dream? He went into missionary work instead or should I say attempted to do missionary work. What happened between graduating college and hooking up with a Duggar daughter. I know people can change their dreams after leaving college. Sometime happened to Derick around the time the molestation news came out because this is around the time he started going off the deep end. There is no way the FBI would be interested in hiring him now.

What happened -- he married a Duggar girl. The plan was to go on a mission, come back/get married/take up a corporate accounting job. He did all that and then his stage 5 clinger wife could not handle the idea that he was working outside the home [gasp] 40 hrs a week. She was driving him to and from work, showing up to lunch with him many times a week, and I can only imagine calling/texting all day long to where his attention was more on her than his actual work and then complaining 24-7 when he was home about how HARD this life was on her, how lonely she was etc. Jill has worn the pants in that marriage since day 1 -- just like Michelle. At some point he probably starts to realize his FBI dream ain't never going to happen. If she can't handle being a stay home wife 5 min from her family home so he can work a 9-5 job, how will she handle the fact that the FBI sends you off to training (alone -- without your wife) for months; then moves you to wherever they need you -- often DC but it can be any number of other big cities as well where there is a lot of high end financial crime.  I mean if she's this miserable in Arkansas 5 min from home, how will she handle it when he gets a duty station in Miami for 5 yrs and they can only afford to visit Arkansas 2x/yr? At that point he figured, might as well forget the FBI and let this Walmart thing play out as it will. Well it plays out with him being forced to quit/getting fired/getting laid off. And he thinks - well it's for the best bc I need to be home to raise my wife and her family is always talking God anyway and I loved my missionary days, so we'll go do that. And then they go to Central America where he realizes that not only can she not handle being alone for 40 hrs/wk 5 min from home, she also can't stand being outside her habitat bc she is unnerved by falling shower rods and different food in the grocery store -- even when he is with her 24-7 (or 23-7 - maybe he was mission-earing an hr/day). So now he's just thrown his hands up with his life bc he doesn't know how to make his damn wife happy . . . .

In a way I do feel bad for him. If he still had his dad, it might have been different EVEN IF he had married Jilly. He might have had someone in his corner saying -- no the FBI was a lifelong dream for you, apply, and if you happen to get in then you and your wife will work together to make a life for yourself in your duty station; or saying ok -- the FBI is too much, but stick with Walmart son, she will get used to it and in 2 yrs you will get promoted and have more flexibility with your schedule etc. He just may have had an adult male who'd show him that you don't have to give up a dream immediately if a spouse doesn't agree OR that there ARE options besides a life spent sitting on your @$$ trying to collect passive income. Heck he probably could've pointed Derick towards some detective type units in the police department that work on more financial/cyber crimes.

[flyingdi]

6 minutes ago, cereality said:

What happened -- he married a Duggar girl. The plan was to go on a mission, come back/get married/take up a corporate accounting job. He did all that and then his stage 5 clinger wife could not handle the idea that he was working outside the home [gasp] 40 hrs a week. She was driving him to and from work, showing up to lunch with him many times a week, and I can only imagine calling/texting all day long to where his attention was more on her than his actual work and then complaining 24-7 when he was home about how HARD this life was on her, how lonely she was etc. Jill has worn the pants in that marriage since day 1 -- just like Michelle. At some point he probably starts to realize his FBI dream ain't never going to happen. If she can't handle being a stay home wife 5 min from her family home so he can work a 9-5 job, how will she handle the fact that the FBI sends you off to training (alone -- without your wife) for months; then moves you to wherever they need you -- often DC but it can be any number of other big cities as well where there is a lot of high end financial crime.  I mean if she's this miserable in Arkansas 5 min from home, how will she handle it when he gets a duty station in Miami for 5 yrs and they can only afford to visit Arkansas 2x/yr? At that point he figured, might as well forget the FBI and let this Walmart thing play out as it will. Well it plays out with him being forced to quit/getting fired/getting laid off. And he thinks - well it's for the best bc I need to be home to raise my wife and her family is always talking God anyway and I loved my missionary days, so we'll go do that. And then they go to Central America where he realizes that not only can she not handle being alone for 40 hrs/wk 5 min from home, she also can't stand being outside her habitat bc she is unnerved by falling shower rods and different food in the grocery store -- even when he is with her 24-7 (or 23-7 - maybe he was mission-earing an hr/day). So now he's just thrown his hands up with his life bc he doesn't know how to make his damn wife happy . . . .

In a way I do feel bad for him. If he still had his dad, it might have been different EVEN IF he had married Jilly. He might have had someone in his corner saying -- no the FBI was a lifelong dream for you, apply, and if you happen to get in then you and your wife will work together to make a life for yourself in your duty station; or saying ok -- the FBI is too much, but stick with Walmart son, she will get used to it and in 2 yrs you will get promoted and have more flexibility with your schedule etc. He just may have had an adult male who'd show him that you don't have to give up a dream immediately if a spouse doesn't agree OR that there ARE options besides a life spent sitting on your @$$ trying to collect passive income. Heck he probably could've pointed Derick towards some detective type units in the police department that work on more financial/cyber crimes.

This last paragraph is exactly why it pays to get to know a person and what they want out of life before you get married.

[bigskygirl]

When I went out to the MT Law Enforcement Academy to be a crime witness/victim role player (watch a video of an armed robbery or vehicle theft and questioned/interview as a witness/victim by law enforcement students,) the one instructor actually worked for the FBI before retiring and taking the job at the academy. He said he was stationed in Glasgow (high line area in eastern Montana almost in the middle of nowhere.) I would love to see Dwerp and Cling Queen living there. I would laugh for a month or even longer because there is not a snowball chance in heck of Jill or even Dwerp being able to handle small town Montana living especially in a rural farm setting. I also do not think Dwerp would have a snowball chance of getting a job as an agent or even an accountant. Look how fast he went from working a steady 40 a hour week at Walmart to being a lazy know it all, hypocritical bigot within a few years. Nope, the FBI would have chewed him up and spit him back out within minutes.

Edited November 14, 2017 by bigskygirl

[ariel]

Regarding Derick & the FBI, I think there would be a huge problem with Derick trying to keep his work confidential from clingy Jill.  I also think Derick might have a problem from posting inside information on this Twitter rants.

Edited November 14, 2017 by ariel

[TaxNerd]

On 11/12/2017 at 8:45 PM, mynextmistake said:

An accounting fraternity? My God, can you imagine the parties?

Party between the spreadsheets!

 

Unless Derrick has done something in the last few years to continue his education or keep a toe in the field, being out of the profession this long decreases his chances of getting hired anywhere. 

Accounting is a field that changes and evolves.  Derrick does not seem like the type to keep actively networking either.

[ariel]

16 minutes ago, TaxNerd said:

 

 

Accounting is a field that changes and evolves.  Derrick does not seem like the type to keep actively networking either.

At this point,I don't think the people Derick previously worked with want to have anything to do with him.

[andromeda331]

3 hours ago, flyingdi said:

This last paragraph is exactly why it pays to get to know a person and what they want out of life before you get married.

Also why divorce is a good thing. That way when you marry thinking your getting one thing like a missionary loving wife or a husband happy to spend all his time with your family only to learn after the marriage you got something else. You can divorce. There's nothing wrong with realizing you made a mistake in marriage. You can divorce and both move on to find someone else and be happy. 

[MsJamieDornan]

1 hour ago, TaxNerd said:

Accounting is a field that changes and evolves.  Derrick does not seem like the type to keep actively networking either.

Is he an accountant or have a degree in accounting?

[floridamom]

So, has Derick been fired from the 3 jobs he has held?....WalMart, SOS and now TLC? Not a good resume' if you ask me.

[leighdear]

2 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said:

Is he an accountant or have a degree in accounting?

He's not a CPA, if that's what you're asking.  Just an undergrad Accounting degree I believe. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by leighdear

[ginger90]

If he's not a CPA, and doesn't have a forensic accounting degree, and doesn't have real work experience of at least 3 years, the FBI would not be interested, imo. It is interesting to know what his goals were, though. 

[Catfin]

4 hours ago, ariel said:

Regarding Derick & the FBI, I think there would be a huge problem with Derick trying to keep his work confidential from clingy Jill.  I also think Derick might have a problem from posting inside information on this Twitter rants.

The first problem would be getting in the door. The physical and psych evals  are stringent for entry level LEO jobs, plus they interview neighbors and relatives as character references. 

[floridamom]

I find it curious that DDD never mentioned his desire to translate his education and future career goals as having anything to do with law enforcement OR preaching.

He listed them in the past. It's out there, but I forgot where I saw it..I think it was a college interview and/or on LinkedIn.

[Churchhoney]

9 hours ago, heckkitty said:

Approximately a million years ago, in college, I got involved in a nondenominational Christian cult - kind of like duggars (no dancing, very strict dating rules, super homophobic, & nobody really talked about transgender issues, but they'd have been completely intolerant) & kind of not (pants were ok, and there was probably some racism, but I think it was pretty subtle, & several leaders were minorities).  One day a friend (who was also in the church) came on to me. I had that visceral "lizard brain" response (I was about 20 & very naive) but I'm pretty sure I let her down nicely & told her I wasn't interested in other girls. It would have been mean to do otherwise. I didn't tell anyone; they'd have read me the riot act for not calling out her "sin", & they'd have kicked her out (which frankly would have been the best thing for us both, but like I said, young & naive). That should have been my clue that that group was all wrong for me.  Why can't Dillard do that?

Well, I think it's because he's by nature a weak, follower-type person, who seems to have been pretty traumatized by his father's death, too. And so he's a person who's constantly seeking the approval of somebody he can follow with security. And because the people he now feels secure following are saying constantly -- and ordering others to say -- the exact same stuff that he's spouting.

If everyone were as brave and independent as you were at 20 there would never have been any Nazis!

Humans are herd animals by nature and many, probably most, are desperately in need of a herd to follow. So when they find a herd they feel secure in, they follow it, right off a cliff even.

And Derick wants to be a preacher and so he's following right along with what the top preachers he knows are telling everyone they must preach. The conservative fundie leaders have taken the transgender issue as their top concern, and speaking out about it is the way preachers confront things. Derick's falling in line. Because he believes those preachers. They have a direct line to God, in his mind, so why would he not? 

Not everybody is strong and brave and an independent thinker. And kind-of-dim very needy Derick has also had the pins knocked out from under him numerous times over the past few years, too , which is only gonna exacerbate the need-to-follow-my-leader thing, for most people. 

[bigskygirl]

1 hour ago, Catfin said:

The first problem would be getting in the door. The physical and psych evals  are stringent for entry level LEO jobs, plus they interview neighbors and relatives as character references. 

Could you imagine someone interviewing the Duggars for character references. To be a fly on the wall.

[Aja]

My perfect 10: Boob and TLC forced everyone to sign insanely strict NDAs and Jesus McProverbs over there is deliberately trying to get them to break his contract so he's legally free to write a tell all. 

I know, we're talking about a guy who gets his giggles trying to injure stray cats. I know.

[Triple P]

38 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Could you imagine someone interviewing the Duggars for character references. To be a fly on the wall.

They would likely use all of the adjectives we have come to know and love: precious,  sweet, servant's heart, etc., unless the reference is for someone who has crossed the Duggars. Then they might use some of the words reserved for the true heathens.

[Fuzzysox]

18 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

Why is Derrick so threatened by Jazz and her being transgender...how she chooses to live her life does not affect him in any way!? 

Jazz gets more screen time and Derick is jealous as hell about it.

[lulu69]

38 minutes ago, Aja said:

My perfect 10: Boob and TLC forced everyone to sign insanely strict NDAs and Jesus McProverbs over there is deliberately trying to get them to break his contract so he's legally free to write a tell all.

I know, we're talking about a guy who gets his giggles trying to injure stray cats. I know.

In the past I would've said never gonna happen but given the way Derk burned down the TLC house I wouldn't put it past him. He might see it as his 'godly duty' to call the Duggars out on all their hypocrisies, not out of spite of course, but out of christian love (sarcasm fully intended lol)

Edited November 14, 2017 by lulu69
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[JoanArc]

 

I just saw the news. I've been studying my ass off (Yo Jill - advancing in nursing TAKES WORK). This couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. So Josh and Derrick can't really work anymore, at least reliably. I wonder how man of the married kids woudl like to go back and doit it all diffrently. (Hint - ALL OF THEM).

[xwordfanatik]

9 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 

I just saw the news. I've been studying my ass off (Yo Jill - advancing in nursing TAKES WORK). This couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. So Josh and Derrick can't really work anymore, at least reliably. I wonder how man of the married kids woudl like to go back and doit it all diffrently. (Hint - ALL OF THEM).

Good to 'see' you back, @JoanArc!  

[beckie]

40 minutes ago, Fuzzysox said:

Jazz gets more screen time and Derick is jealous as hell about it.

Also, Jazz gets to live her life as she chooses, and Derick can't live his like he wants, so he's jealous about that, too.

Edited November 14, 2017 by beckie
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[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

 And because the people he now feels secure following are saying constantly -- and ordering others to say -- the exact same stuff that he's spouting.

This. If you go over to the Duggars family blog, that’s the majority of the comments. The commenters are outraged that Dericks’ free speech rights have been violated. They specifically reference the NFL posters protest( which they don’t support).  They also agree wirh Dericks’  feelings that Jazz has been exploited. There are some that say he should have stated that without being ‘rude’ to Jazz. They pretty much all plan to boycott TLC( which should do wonders for the Duggars ratings). 

Edited November 14, 2017 by mythoughtis

[Jynnan tonnix]

2 hours ago, Aja said:

My perfect 10: Boob and TLC forced everyone to sign insanely strict NDAs and Jesus McProverbs over there is deliberately trying to get them to break his contract so he's legally free to write a tell all. 

I know, we're talking about a guy who gets his giggles trying to injure stray cats. I know.

Cannot.stop.laughing!

[Christina87]

13 hours ago, cereality said:

What happened -- he married a Duggar girl. The plan was to go on a mission, come back/get married/take up a corporate accounting job. He did all that and then his stage 5 clinger wife could not handle the idea that he was working outside the home [gasp] 40 hrs a week. She was driving him to and from work, showing up to lunch with him many times a week, and I can only imagine calling/texting all day long to where his attention was more on her than his actual work and then complaining 24-7 when he was home about how HARD this life was on her, how lonely she was etc. Jill has worn the pants in that marriage since day 1 -- just like Michelle. At some point he probably starts to realize his FBI dream ain't never going to happen. If she can't handle being a stay home wife 5 min from her family home so he can work a 9-5 job, how will she handle the fact that the FBI sends you off to training (alone -- without your wife) for months; then moves you to wherever they need you -- often DC but it can be any number of other big cities as well where there is a lot of high end financial crime.  I mean if she's this miserable in Arkansas 5 min from home, how will she handle it when he gets a duty station in Miami for 5 yrs and they can only afford to visit Arkansas 2x/yr? At that point he figured, might as well forget the FBI and let this Walmart thing play out as it will. Well it plays out with him being forced to quit/getting fired/getting laid off. And he thinks - well it's for the best bc I need to be home to raise my wife and her family is always talking God anyway and I loved my missionary days, so we'll go do that. And then they go to Central America where he realizes that not only can she not handle being alone for 40 hrs/wk 5 min from home, she also can't stand being outside her habitat bc she is unnerved by falling shower rods and different food in the grocery store -- even when he is with her 24-7 (or 23-7 - maybe he was mission-earing an hr/day). So now he's just thrown his hands up with his life bc he doesn't know how to make his damn wife happy . . . .

In a way I do feel bad for him. If he still had his dad, it might have been different EVEN IF he had married Jilly. He might have had someone in his corner saying -- no the FBI was a lifelong dream for you, apply, and if you happen to get in then you and your wife will work together to make a life for yourself in your duty station; or saying ok -- the FBI is too much, but stick with Walmart son, she will get used to it and in 2 yrs you will get promoted and have more flexibility with your schedule etc. He just may have had an adult male who'd show him that you don't have to give up a dream immediately if a spouse doesn't agree OR that there ARE options besides a life spent sitting on your @$$ trying to collect passive income. Heck he probably could've pointed Derick towards some detective type units in the police department that work on more financial/cyber crimes.

I really think you may have hit the nail on the head here!!! This makes perfect sense. He had every reason before marriage to think that he needed to make money, and he could count on following his dreams, because Jilly was raised to be the perfect housewife and SAHM. When he found out that was far from the case, suddenly he is expected to be home 24/7 and is very limited in what job he can have. I almost feel bad for him, until I remember that he does have a backbone somewhere in there, and he should use it!

[Aja]

1 hour ago, Christina87 said:

I really think you may have hit the nail on the head here!!! This makes perfect sense. He had every reason before marriage to think that he needed to make money, and he could count on following his dreams, because Jilly was raised to be the perfect housewife and SAHM. When he found out that was far from the case, suddenly he is expected to be home 24/7 and is very limited in what job he can have. I almost feel bad for him, until I remember that he does have a backbone somewhere in there, and he should use it!

I almost feel bad for him until I read his idiotic Twatter preaching. Derick is just exactly where his intellectual curiosity and passion for life has put him.

Edited November 14, 2017 by Aja

[SunnyBeBe]

I must admit that I do have a little issue with people not being able to speak their mind, however, you have to use common sense depending on how you earn your living.  I recall how some conservatives have been dropped from things like their music being played for a tv show, but, I actually felt that was unfair.  I may disagree with what you say, but, defend your right to say it.  However, when your job is with a company that is aligned with producing shows about different kinds of people, you sign up to have an open mind and not trash the other show's star.  If you have an issue with it, then don't appear on their network or take money from them.  If you do, then keep your words honest, but, civil.  Anyone know if some of the Roloffs have been spouting off lately too?  I think they have been making some questionable remarks, but, not about anyone in particular.  I guess that's what the difference is.  

I don't think we'll miss seeing Derick that much.  I mean, they'll just shoot around him, right?  And Jill gets the paycheck.  

[Mya]

7 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I must admit that I do have a little issue with people not being able to speak their mind, however, you have to use common sense depending on how you earn your living.  I recall how some conservatives have been dropped from things like their music being played for a tv show, but, I actually felt that was unfair.  I may disagree with what you say, but, defend your right to say it.  However, when your job is with a company that is aligned with producing shows about different kinds of people, you sign up to have an open mind and not trash the other show's star.  If you have an issue with it, then don't appear on their network or take money from them.  If you do, then keep your words honest, but, civil.  Anyone know if some of the Roloffs have been spouting off lately too?  I think they have been making some questionable remarks, but, not about anyone in particular.  I guess that's what the difference is.  

I don't think we'll miss seeing Derick that much.  I mean, they'll just shoot around him, right?  And Jill gets the paycheck.  

I don't miss him or Jill at all.  I noticed he was very absent from Joe's wedding I think this goes back quiet a ways and nope didn't miss him in the least.

[toodles]

New York Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's famous dictum -- "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts" 

I saw this in an article I was reading and thought this fit the Derwood to a tee.  It's one thing to dislike Jazz, but it's another to say her parents have an agenda to push and they are using her to do so.

That is all.  Carry on.

[Natalie68]

On 11/9/2017 at 6:53 PM, Marigold said:

i read that Derick is back on Jazz again.

Now what? What did Jazz, a 16 year old who lives in Florida,  possibly do to Derick Dillard?  

Live an authentic life and Dwreck has a case of the jelly's?

[Natalie68]

On 11/11/2017 at 6:33 AM, toodles said:

Dear PTV friends, 

I'm starting a Gofundme to take a world cruise. I plan to visit Australia and the South Pacific.  $20,000 should do it.  This cruise is very important to my personal enrichment and more importantly, I really want this.

On second thought, make it $30,000 because I won't be working while I'm on my cruise.  I have bills to pay, you know.

When I return from the cruise, I will tell you all about it.  Everyone wins!  

Please tell your friends because I want to book my cruise ASAP.

Thanks in advance,

Your friend,

Toodles

Toodles you are going to need trinkets to remember your journey.  I say up it to $40,000.  A newsletter in the form of a tweet will keep us informed of your spiritual journey.

[toodles]

3 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Toodles you are going to need trinkets to remember your journey.  I say up it to $40,000.  A newsletter in the form of a tweet will keep us informed of your spiritual journey.

Good point.  Let's make it $40k.  I need a suite.  I can't just take any cruise ship cabin.  I'm not on Twitter, but I'll will keep everyone up to date.  I will also drink several umbrella drinks in your honor.

Edited November 14, 2017 by toodles

[Natalie68]

On 11/11/2017 at 5:42 PM, farmgal4 said:

That's exactly what I think will happen.  Good riddance to her too.

If they are going to stay true to their beliefs, Derek should be the one supporting his family.  Not having helpmeet do it.  I mean does she have to do everything?  Birth babies, make horrible looking food, keep house, be meek and gaze adoringly at her headship and NOW she has to add money maker to the list?  I don't think one can really make a living getting into twatter feuds and interpretive dancing for Jesus.  If so, it seems MUCH easier than doing what I do for 40 hrs.    

[SMama]

Technically Clingy Jilly has been the main bread winner in their home. I'm sure Picasso Face made a decent salary at W@lmart, but not enough to afford their travels. I do agree Derelict better get off his ass and support his family. It's the Christian thing to do.

Edited November 14, 2017 by SMama

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I don't think Derrick necessarily saw his dreams go out the window because he realized Jill couldn't be left alone while he went to the office, etc. That may have been some of it, but I think he just caught the lazies from the Duggars.

He realized the entire family has pretty much existed by fame-whoring and grifting for years.  He got a taste of not working and still being able to eat out, travel, etc from donations/grifting (plus "fame" and Twitter followers). He probably started thinking he'd been a sucker to even put in work at a 9-5 for a few months. He caught the lazies and likes it. He's decided his and Jill's "ministry" is a much easier way (for now) to live than getting a real job like most grown-ups. 

Edited November 17, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[bigskygirl]

The Dwerp FBI discussion reminds me the Everyone Loves Raymond episode where Robert has an interview for a FBI job. Marie tries to miss up his chances because she is scared he could get hurt in the line of duty. In the case of Deary Derrick, Jill and possibly JB would do things to miss up Dwerp Boy's chances of getting past the first interview.

[sometimesy]

So he has quit the show (still don't know if it was TLC or the Dullards), moved out of Boob's housing program into a small apartment and is now unfiltered. I wish all the kids would do this. He still needs to take full command of Jill's software updates, but it's a work in progress and the last update included 'pants wearing'. 

Still don't like the grifting, but it looks like he is planning on making this his way of life. Swinging in a hammock in cheap, but exotic locations, living on American dollar bills. 

[DangerousMinds]

3 hours ago, Christina87 said:

I really think you may have hit the nail on the head here!!! This makes perfect sense. He had every reason before marriage to think that he needed to make money, and he could count on following his dreams, because Jilly was raised to be the perfect housewife and SAHM. When he found out that was far from the case, suddenly he is expected to be home 24/7 and is very limited in what job he can have. I almost feel bad for him, until I remember that he does have a backbone somewhere in there, and he should use it!

He also thought he had a future wife with future plans to be a midwife. I don't think he planned on carrying the load of supporting a large family on his own. He grew up with a working mom too.

[ginger90]

Any additions to his gofundme donations?

[Natalie68]

On 11/12/2017 at 0:40 PM, bigskygirl said:

Donate $50.00 and get a personalized thank you video. Seriously! How about donate $50.00 and we never see or hear Dwerp and Cling Queen again. Now that is something I am willing to donate a few bucks for.

Do we get to CHOOSE what is in this personalized video?  As in are they taking requests?  I would like to request him singing 'Born This Way' while twerking.  I will throw him $50 for that.