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The wall was put up by master carpenter David Rodrigues, and he probably put up the shelf too, so I'm gonna say both are crooked. Such an odd place for the mouthwash and deodorant. Must be extras/backups and not the items currently in use? As for the printing ministry, David has printed things besides tracts. He did the godawful mailers for Joy Baptist Church after the Rods moved to Ohio, and he printed someone's book. I don't think he printed Jill's book about Amy Foster, but maybe. I haven't listened to any of his sermons, but others have reported that he has said printing things besides the smiley tracts is too hard.
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Jill announced that Nurie and Nathan joined her downline about 2 years ago because they both had "health goals they wanted to overcome" and saw that Plexus was the solution. Guessing that fizzled out because they didn't actually join, or had no sales/didn't create socials to generate sales, or Nathan didn't know they had joined Jill's downline until Jill posted about it and he then told Nurie "no."
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As I recall, the Derick was fired narrative arose because Jill and Derick initially did nothing to refute that belief after TLC's tweets that they hadn't worked with him in months, which i think suited his religious persecution narrative-he changed his twitter headline to something about not compromising his values to keep his voice around the time of the TLC statements. I tend to believe the "quit" narrative for the following reasons. 1) Jill and Derick were not part of the end of season interview episode that aired after Joy's wedding. It was filmed in June 2017, just after Joy and Austin returned from their honeymoon. Jill and Derick were on a "babymoon" before Sam's birth (Sew Sumi, former contributer to this forum, sleuthed this out.) If Jill and Derick were still under a contract at this time, they would have been obligated to participate in that episode. 2) Sam's birth wasn't filmed because they were no longer under a contract for the show at the time of his birth. 3) On or about Joy's first anniversary in May 2018, Derick posted about his 1 year anniversary of being free from his contract to film the show. The tweet has since been deleted, but at the time, many people assumed he was talking about a contract with TLC. Now we know he meant the contract with MAD Studios. I remember that many people assumed that Sam's birth was filmed but not shown because of the traumatic events, and then Derick started tweeting about hospital bills being covered when TLC. We now know that his statements were about Israel's birth, but Derick's tweets about Jazz and Nate were also made around this time, followed by TLC's statement about not working with him, which reinforced the Derick was fired narrative. The issue of contracts has been murky for years because as someone else pointed out, Derick had said he did not have a contract with TLC (which turned out to be true, as he had a contract with MAD Studios, not TLC), but part of the reason they returned to the States is that TLC did not want to continue to film them in Central America, and Derick said they had to return because of the TLC contract. I think that TLC may have said they weren't going to continue to film them, as TLC was not obligated to do so under their contract with MAD Studios, and Jim Bob didn't like that so he said they had to return due to Jill and Derick's contract with MAD Studios. (I haven't read Jill's book, so I'm making an assumption here.) Not to give Derick too much credit here, but I think he carefully worded his statements about contracts for the show so that he was not lying, but he was not transparent about his contract with MAD Studios vs the MAD Studios contract with TLC, and he did not clarify assumptions that he was under contract with TLC, as opposed to a production studio.
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I just read an excerpt from the book, and apparently Josh was sitting just off camera during the entire Megyn Kelly interview, which served to increase the trauma for Jill. Her breakdown during the interview, while completely understandable before, is unequivocally understandable with that knowledge.