S11.E08: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Leather Pants

[sistermagpie]

5 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Crystal literally has done NOTHING at this party  to Sutton .... NOTHING she is freaking out FOR NO REASON .... THat is not normal  

But she did bring her face and Sutton doesn't like her face.

5 minutes ago, Wicked said:

Sutton is embarrassed that she didn't bring a present, that is all

Yup. At least as edited, Sutton was just feeling left out again and was super mad that Crystal was included in the gift. Of course Kyle saw the potential for drama and went over to her when she noticed her sulking.

I don't get why she doesn't understand that Crystal is not saying that Sutton violated her. She's saying she felt violated. You can feel violated without anyone having intentionally done anything to you.

I don't get Crystal's "jealous" comment thought--wtf? Keep on topic, Crystal! You just gave her an opening to insult your admittedly terrible pants!

Note that Sutton kinda proved Crystal's story right here, or at least changed her mind and played into it now, when she claimed that Crystal was being defensive because she really was up to something in there. Which is what she said the first time. So, you know, maybe Crystal wasn't misrepresenting her so much at all.

Rinna must be thrilled her mom saw her daughter on the cover of a tabloid in the supermarket!

[truthaboutluv]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

it was from 3 of them ...

This. And also Crystal said that apparently Garcelle had admired a similar ring Crystal wore. So I can see when trying to figure out a gift for her, Crystal mentioned the ring and the three all went in on it. And I guess split three ways it probably didn't cost them THAT much. As in relative to the amount of money these women spend. 

I'm sorry, yes, it is wrong to throw around words like crazy but dude Sutton is exhausting as fuck. Bottom line, it looked like despite Lisa telling the women they could bring a gift if they wanted, Sutton chose not to bring one, maybe thinking the others wouldn't either and she got embarrassed once the gifts were being presented. And then especially so with how happy Garcelle was by Crystal, Kathy and Kyle's gift. 

Because for as much as Sutton wants to act like Crystal is bullying her, SHE'S the one at this point bullying Crystal and basically using her as a punching bag for anytime she feels bad about something or another due to her own insecurities. See the dinner gag that she zeroed in immediately on Crystal who wasn't even in on the fucking joke. And now this. She was embarrassed about not bringing a gift, felt uncomfortable and couldn't say that so she went for her favorite target. 

The problem for her is that Crystal is a stone cold snarky as fuck bitch who won't back down or buy into Sutton's bullshit. That calm, "not yours" response to Sutton's screeching about "what fucking planet are you from" was on point. And so while she remains cool and unbothered, Sutton becomes a weeping, emotional nutjob. Also, if Sutton's so upset by the implications of her being creepy, the other women are who she needs to address, as they are the ones making snarky digs about it. As she herself noted. But no, she wants to save all her anger and bullshit for Crystal. 

eta: And I'm especially baffled at Sutton's not bringing a gift when isn't this the woman who constantly brings gifts for the women for no reason at all, whenever they take trips and stuff? And yet she didn't think to have something when Lisa said she was going to throw a small celebration for Garcelle's birthday?

Edited July 8, 2021 by truthaboutluv

[Mr. Miner]

Sutton is lost without her face roller.

[Miss Slay]

I think Sutton is one of those people who let's things stew - meaning the more she's thought about Krystal's comments the angrier she got. Plus, she is wondering how it's going to look on television. She feels defensive because who wants to be perceived as doing anything creepy especially if it could have sexual connotation. That said Sutton def. worked herself into a frenzy.

I'm torn on this because Crystal didn't do anything wrong - she expressed how she felt about the situation and she felt violated. Those were her feelings and they are valid. But Crystal is just sooooo smug, it almost comes across as antagonistic. 

[Vanderboom]

So over the Naked Surprise Incident. I imagine that Crystal is, too. Sutton is an actual adult throwing a tantrum at someone else's party. I will say, though. I'm not sure that "jealous" is the right word for Captain Vocab to use, but I'm glad she stayed away from words like "crazy."

I think Kathy was going for a "Who is Mr. Poppins?" tension breaker but she just ended up looking spacey. She really needs to stop calling Sutton Thomasina, though. It wasn't ever funny and it clearly hurts Sutton's feelings. Give it a rest. Then again, Sutton's feelings are very . . . hurtable? Wasn't she airing out a List of Sutton-aimed Insults a few episodes ago?

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, Vanderboom said:

So over the Naked Surprise Incident. I imagine that Crystal is, too. Sutton is an actual adult throwing a tantrum at someone else's party. I will say, though. I'm not sure that "jealous" is the right word for Captain Vocab to use, but I'm glad she stayed away from words like "crazy."

I think Kathy was going for a "Who is Mr. Poppins?" tension breaker but she just ended up looking spacey. She really needs to stop calling Sutton Thomasina, though. It wasn't ever funny and it clearly hurts Sutton's feelings. Give it a rest. Then again, Sutton's feelings are very . . . hurtable? Wasn't she airing out a List of Sutton-aimed Insults a few episodes ago?

Sutton jokes about seeing crystals tits and said crystal should get a sense of humor about it lol then blows up when its not her making the jokes ... There is no winning with this woman 

[Emmeline]

24 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Oh god Sutton is gonna think its some conspiracy that crystal went in with the girls and brought a gift ....Melt down in 5 ...4...3..

This is what I was thinking.  Sutton seemed to flip at that moment.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

My feeling is that Sutton overplayed her hand. At the dinner the week before, the other women seemed to be taking Sutton's side, so after feeling vulnerable because Ms. Southern Manners* Sutton didn't bring a gift for Garcelle, she attempted to go back to the "how DARE she SAY she felt violated" well to feel less vulnerable. 

However, since Crystal was sitting there minding her own business and since the other women are clearly over this whole incident, they are less interested in rallying around poor, fragile Sutton. 

* I think that the "Southern Manners" thing is the other reason she caused a scene. Because in addition to her fragility, she has built her whole RHOBH persona around being so gracious blah blah blah. And the fact that she didn't bring a gift threatens that persona. So she went on the offensive against Crystal to distract everyone from realizing she hadn't brought a gift.

Edited July 8, 2021 by eleanorofaquitaine

[bosawks]

I don’t think Crystal believes Sutton is jealous as much as she believes accusing Sutton of jealousy would make her loss her shit.

Well played Crystal, well played.

[Chatty Cake]

Oh thank you RHOBH for not being RHONY!
Who’s Hunky Dory? Is she for real? The Thomasina greeting HAD to be a dig. 
I said last week I rotate between Sutton and Crystal and this week I’m going with Sutton. If someone is that upset, comfort them a bit. Yes you felt violated and yes Sutton is awkward but you don’t have to be a jerk. And yes, the leather pants are ass ugly girl. Although Sutton’s dress was just as ugly. WTF? They don’t have pretty clothes in Beverly Hills?

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, bosawks said:

I don’t think Crystal believes Sutton is jealous as much as she believes accusing Sutton of jealousy would make her loss her shit.

Well played Crystal, well played.

her shit was pretty much already lost before that comment tho dont you think? :) ... and her yelling about ugly leather pants while she was wearing that tacky ass craft corner dress was hilarious 

[RealHousewife]

How does Dorit sound more American as PK than she does as Dorit?

[TexasGal]

28 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

But she did bring her face and Sutton doesn't like her face.

 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

9 minutes ago, bosawks said:

I don’t think Crystal believes Sutton is jealous as much as she believes accusing Sutton of jealousy would make her loss her shit.

Well played Crystal, well played.

I think Crystal was probably confused as to why once again Sutton was bringing this up again and was reaching a bit for an explanation. 

On the other hand, IMO, Crystal wasn't wrong when she said that Sutton was jealous. Sutton was mad that Kyle and Kathy went in on a gift with Crystal and I think she was "jealous" in the way that middle school girls are when their BFF has a new friend. 

8 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

Oh thank you RHOBH for not being RHONY!
Who’s Hunky Dory? Is she for real? The Thomasina greeting HAD to be a dig. 
I said last week I rotate between Sutton and Crystal and this week I’m going with Sutton. If someone is that upset, comfort them a bit. Yes you felt violated and yes Sutton is awkward but you don’t have to be a jerk. And yes, the leather pants are ass ugly girl. Although Sutton’s dress was just as ugly. WTF? They don’t have pretty clothes in Beverly Hills?

Why should Crystal "comfort" Sutton, who once again attacked her while she was sitting there minding her own business? Crystal didn't do anything wrong and YET AGAIN, Sutton is somehow insisting she's the victim when she's been the aggressor.

Edited July 8, 2021 by eleanorofaquitaine

[Thumper]

Half- watching as usual, so missed the hunky- dory comment.  In relation  to what?  Sounds like something my (now deceased ) parents would say.

Understand Sutton feeling left out if all the others decided to bring gifts, AND some went together, making her feel left out.  Awkward.  Been there.

 

 

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, Thumper said:

Half- watching as usual, so missed the hunky- dory comment.  In relation  to what?  Sounds like something my (now deceased ) parents would say.

Understand Sutton feeling left out if all the others decided to bring gifts, AND some went together, making her feel left out.  Awkward.  Been there.

 

 

but how did that anger get all focused on Crystal tho? if all the ladies each went and brought a gift and crystal wasnt and isn't really on hang out terms with Sutton so she wouldn't have said hey girl lets go in on a gift together .... why is she the bad guy for the other ladies not reaching out to her? why was her WRATH out of nowhere aimed at a woman who did nothing to her at this party ... 

[Chatty Cake]

5 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I think Crystal was probably confused as to why once again Sutton was bringing this up again and was reaching a bit for an explanation. 

On the other hand, IMO, Crystal wasn't wrong when she said that Sutton was jealous. Sutton was mad that Kyle and Kathy went in on a gift with Crystal and I think she was "jealous" in the way that middle school girls are when their BFF has a new friend. 

Why should Crystal "comfort" Sutton, who once again attacked her while she was sitting there minding her own business? Crystal didn't do anything wrong and YET AGAIN, Sutton is somehow insisting she's the victim when she's been the aggressor.

So she doesn’t look like an uppity cold bitch which we know she is but she could make herself look a bit nice cause that girl isn’t very likable as housewife and doesn’t offer much in the group setting. 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

10 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

So she doesn’t look like an uppity cold bitch which we know she is but she could make herself look a bit nice cause that girl isn’t very likable as housewife and doesn’t offer much in the group setting. 

We know nothing of the sort. You may describe her that way. I do not. And I will certainly not hold her calm reaction to Sutton's increasing irrationality towards her against Crystal. I see no reason why Crystal has to make herself "likeable" to a woman who has been nothing but aggressive towards her.

Edited July 8, 2021 by eleanorofaquitaine

[sistermagpie]

39 minutes ago, Vanderboom said:

So over the Naked Surprise Incident. I imagine that Crystal is, too. Sutton is an actual adult throwing a tantrum at someone else's party. I will say, though. I'm not sure that "jealous" is the right word for Captain Vocab to use, but I'm glad she stayed away from words like "crazy."

I think Kathy was going for a "Who is Mr. Poppins?" tension breaker but she just ended up looking spacey. She really needs to stop calling Sutton Thomasina, though. It wasn't ever funny and it clearly hurts Sutton's feelings. Give it a rest. Then again, Sutton's feelings are very . . . hurtable? Wasn't she airing out a List of Sutton-aimed Insults a few episodes ago?

Yeah, note that however emotional Sutton says she is, she knows who's she's got a better chance at insulting if she wants backup. She knows Kathy's social position is too superior to go after her. This woman isn't socially clueless.

22 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

Oh thank you RHOBH for not being RHONY!
Who’s Hunky Dory? Is she for real? The Thomasina greeting HAD to be a dig. 
I said last week I rotate between Sutton and Crystal and this week I’m going with Sutton. If someone is that upset, comfort them a bit. Yes you felt violated and yes Sutton is awkward but you don’t have to be a jerk. And yes, the leather pants are ass ugly girl. Although Sutton’s dress was just as ugly. WTF? They don’t have pretty clothes in Beverly Hills?

I really don't think there's anything Crystal could have said that would have comforted Sutton except to submit to her completely and admit she's the villain for acting as if Sutton could ever do anything bad. She treats her like an adult having a tantrum instead of a delicate child. Even when Sutton's acting like a literal child yelling about Crystal's ugly pants--you know, like a mean girl would do. 

Seems also relevant that since Sutton gets seen as socially awkward, it should be acknowledged that Crystal seems to have resting smug face. A lot of times when the camera was on her she was smiling at something that didn't seem to give her much reason to feel smug. When Sutton goes after her her smile freezes and, imo, that's why she looks smug. It's not smug, it's her instinctual response to somebody coming for her--an expression that says "I'm having no reaction to what you're saying. You're not getting to me." I don't think it's true smugness at all.

[Showthyme]

1 hour ago, Julyolo said:

Think Lisa "the hustler" and Harry Hasbeen are attempting to convince people they should have a cooking show.

Well, if Valerie Bertinelli can do it…

I would watch Harry on a cooking show.

[Persnickety1]

I'm going to need Harry's bolognese recipe. 

[Chatty Cake]

1 minute ago, sistermagpie said:

Yeah, note that however emotional Sutton says she is, she knows who's she's got a better chance at insulting if she wants backup. She knows Kathy's social position is too superior to go after her. This woman isn't socially clueless.

I really don't think there's anything Crystal could have said that would have comforted Sutton except to submit to her completely and admit she's the villain for acting as if Sutton could ever do anything bad. She treats her like an adult having a tantrum instead of a delicate child. Even when Sutton's acting like a literal child yelling about Crystal's ugly pants--you know, like a mean girl would do. 

Seems also relevant that since Sutton gets seen as socially awkward, it should be acknowledged that Crystal seems to have resting smug face. A lot of times when the camera was on her she was smiling at something that didn't seem to give her much reason to feel smug. When Sutton goes after her her smile freezes and, imo, that's why she looks smug. It's not smug, it's her instinctual response to somebody coming for her--an expression that says "I'm having no reaction to what you're saying. You're not getting to me." I don't think it's true smugness at all.

Nah Crystal thinks she’s better cause she has the old rich husband and Sutton has lost hers. That’s where the jealous comment came in. She has resting bitch face cause she’s a resting bitch! 

[whydoievencare]

1 hour ago, Wicked said:

Sutton is embarrassed that she didn't bring a present, that is all

Bingo!

I liked that Crystal wasn't going to apologize to Sutton for using the word violate - but then she lost me when she told Sutton that she was just jealous.  Sutton shouldn't be on this tv show - she's totally  unable to cope in a crowd - not sure if she's just socially awkward or if there's more to it.  But watching her lose it right and left isn't entertaining.

[goofygirl]

2 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

Oh no, this is going to be more Sutton/ Crystal ‘violated’ drama. *snore*.  SNORT

Fixed it for ya!

TOTALLY BORING. Is this the week that the Howives of EVERYWHERE jump the shark?? I'm about to cancel Bravo.  Save some $$$$.  Seriously.

Edited July 8, 2021 by goofygirl

[njbchlover]

OMG - this whole thing is friggin' ridiculous!!  Are we going to have an entire season of arguing over a word??  

IMO, Sutton is overly emotional and a little kooky.  Could be that she's overly emotional because of nervousness being on camera, or it could be that she's just overly emotional.  I think it's a little bit of both.  And, yes, that dress was ugly, but I'm sure it was couture!!!  

Also imo, Crystal is a smarmy mean girl, especially when it comes to Sutton.  The smirk on her face when Sutton was "leaving" Rinna's house was just plain cruel.  Satisfied that she's making an already overly emotional woman freak out even more.  I just don't like her.

Neither one of them is more right or more wrong in this stupid argument.

Erika's "poor, pitiful me" routine is wearing on me.  She's driving a friggin' Range Rover, living in an amazing home and has two rooms full of designer clothes, shoes and purses.  If Tom hadn't picked her up from that cocktail lounge 22 years ago, would she have any of those things?  She's playing such a role.  I've said it before - she could definitely get a part on whatever soap opera Eileen Davidson is working on now.

I liked the interaction with Kathy and Kyle when they were talking about Kim, but I don't particularly care for Kathy, although I will say her home is gorgeous - I live for that kitchen!!  She also seems to be playing a part - that of the flaky air-head.  "Who is Hunky Dory?" - give me break!! 

Loved Garcelle with her sons.  She seems the most real of any of these "Real Housewives".  Her boys are just so typical teenagers, and I loved her dealing with them!  

Dorit seems to be a big non-entity this season, thus far.  Curious to see where this bridal fashion thing goes.  As long as she doesn't create some stupid initial logo and start slapping it all over (as she loves her logo'd designer wear), it could become profitable for her.  I can totally see her designing slapping her name label on some dresses similar to Pnina Tornai's style.

I can't with Rinna - she seems a little kinder so far this season, but I still just cannot stand her!  

 

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by njbchlover

[Door County Cherry]

1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:

I'm sorry, yes, it is wrong to throw around words like crazy but dude Sutton is exhausting as fuck. Bottom line, it looked like despite Lisa telling the women they could bring a gift if they wanted, Sutton chose not to bring one, maybe think the others wouldn't ether and she got embarrassed once the gifts were being presented. And then especially so with how happy Garcelle was by Crystal, Kathy and Kyle's gift.

What I find hilarious is that it was Sutton who threw around "crazy" tonight.  And told Crystal to not disrespect her feelings.  One is an argument she took great offense at.  The other is what she did last week, as well as not let Crystal get a word in edgewise.  

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The problem for her is that Crystal is a stone cold snarky as fuck bitch who won't back down or buy into Sutton's bullshit. That calm, "not yours" response to Sutton's screeching about "what fucking planet are you from" was on point. And so while she remains cool and unbothered, Sutton becomes a weeping, emotional nutjob.

Crystal saying "not yours" is one of the most beautiful rebuttals I've seen on this show because it'd only make Sutton look more insane to be insulted by the fact that Crystal is essentially agreeing with the implication of Sutton's question. 

It was just gorgeous.   As was her "I'm sorry if you're upset" because Sutton's right, it isn't an apology.  The problem is, Crystal flat out said she wasn't going to apologize.  

59 minutes ago, Miss Slay said:

I'm torn on this because Crystal didn't do anything wrong - she expressed how she felt about the situation and she felt violated. Those were her feelings and they are valid. But Crystal is just sooooo smug, it almost comes across as antagonistic. 

It only feels antagonistic to Sutton because she can't penetrate it.  She desperately wants Crystal to play the game her way.  Crystal refuses.  And Sutton doesn't have the capability to play the game Crystal's way. I don't know why Crystal accused Sutton of being jealous but I do think she probably wishes she had a thicker skin. 

The thing about Crystal is, after she and Sutton had their conversation and agreed to move on from the Tahoe weekend, Crystal pretty much did.  It was Sutton who tried to continue the conversation after they went back out to the women.  It was Kyle who brought it up at the dinner but Sutton dug in instead of saying that they're trying to put it behind them. And it was Sutton's spinning out for no good reason that brought it up at this gathering.  

Crystal had agreed that Sutton didn't do anything intentionally.  The only thing she will not back down on his her feelings.  I don't see her not trying to comfort Sutton as mean girl behavior since she's the one Sutton is attacking. I'd laugh too if someone who kept trying to organize people against me was spinning out and hurting her argument all by herself.  

Harry and Lisa do have a gorgeous yard.  Did anyone else think back to Dorit's fake looking Buca di Beppo "Italian" room when they looked at the outside set up of Harry's table?  That was gorgeous and felt more authentic than Dorit's room.  

[sistermagpie]

4 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

Nah Crystal thinks she’s better cause she has the old rich husband and Sutton has lost hers. 

Then Crystal is ridiculous for thinking that when Sutton thought Crystal was better cause she got to go in on a gift with Kathy and Kyle and Sutton didn't.

 

2 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Dorit seems to be a big non-entity this season, thus far.  Curious to see where this bridal fashion thing goes.  As long as she doesn't create some stupid initial logo and start slapping all over (as she loves her logo'd designer wear), it could become profitable for her.  I can totally see her designing slapping her name label on some dresses similar to Pnina Tornai's style.

 

Gotta love what it's like to live in this world. People come across you and just ask you to do work that you feel confident to do even if you don't have professional experience. 

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, Door County Cherry said:

 I don't see her not trying to comfort Sutton as mean girl behavior since she's the one Sutton is attacking.

All of this... why should Crystal comfort a women who has singled her out time after time to attack ... Sutton str8 up out of nowhere brought this shit up again but its Crystal who should bend over and take it cause Sutton is "fragile" NO no 

[njbchlover]

18 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

I'm going to need Harry's bolognese recipe. 

That recipe may become Rinna's next product on QVC or HSN - whatever shopping channel she was on.  Maybe they'll bottle it and she can sell it on TV!!!  

Something tells me Rinna isn't going to become the next Estee Lauder with her hideous lipstick line.

Edited July 8, 2021 by njbchlover

[Pondlass1]

1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:

while she remains cool and unbothered, Sutton becomes a weeping, emotional nutjob

I get the impression Crystal is enjoying driving Sutton mental.

Imagine Rinna Of all people married to a guy who’s a great cook.  Doesn’t compute.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Pondlass1

[eleanorofaquitaine]

17 minutes ago, Door County Cherry said:

It only feels antagonistic to Sutton because she can't penetrate it.  She desperately wants Crystal to play the game her way.  Crystal refuses.  And Sutton doesn't have the capability to play the game Crystal's way. I don't know why Crystal accused Sutton of being jealous but I do think she probably wishes she had a thicker skin...

 Crystal had agreed that Sutton didn't do anything intentionally.  The only thing she will not back down on his her feelings.  I don't see her not trying to comfort Sutton as mean girl behavior since she's the one Sutton is attacking. I'd laugh too if someone who kept trying to organize people against me was spinning out and hurting her argument all by herself.  

I agree that a big part of why Sutton keeps bringing it up is because she's not getting the reaction from Crystal that she wants.  I suspect in Sutton's world, the tears and fragility is supposed to elicit a reaction whereby Sutton is made to feel better about her passive aggressive behavior and the person towards whom she has behaved badly seeks to comfort her.

She keeps on insisting that Crystal should apologize to her, even though the only real thing Crystal did wrong was talk about the situation to the other women when she said she wouldn't. But that isn't what Sutton wants an apology for. She wants Crystal to apologize for feeling the way she did. Crystal rightfully won't apologize for her feelings and Sutton doesn't seem to know how to accept that. She just keeps going back to the same weaponized fragility well.

The one thing I will say is fine, stop calling her Thomasina. But Crystal is not the one saying that, it's Kathy. So if she wants Kathy to stop saying that, she'll have to use her words like a big girl and tell Kathy she doesn't like it. But she needs to stop blaming Crystal.

Edited July 8, 2021 by eleanorofaquitaine

[njbchlover]

5 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

I get the impression Crystal is enjoying driving Sutton mental.

Imagine Rinna Of all people married to a guy who’s a great cook.  Doesn’t compute.

Where is Rinna's singsong "Gaslighting, gaslighting, gaslighting" when it actually applies to the situation?

[sistermagpie]

3 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Where is Rinna's singsong "Gaslighting, gaslighting, gaslighting" when it actually applies to the situation?

But who's gaslighting/being gaslit in this situation? Frustrating somebody by refusing to give them the reaction they want isn't gaslighting.

Edited July 8, 2021 by sistermagpie

[RealHousewife]

Oh Sutton I like you and have defended you a lot, but it is pretty hard to defend you tonight!

I get that Crystal isn't the most likable out of the bunch, but she was guilty of nothing this time. Kathy is the one who teased Sutton, not Crystal. It's not Crystal's fault Sutton didn't bring a gift either. Crystal was just sitting there minding her business, celebrating Garcelle's birthday. She didn't conspire to embarrass Sutton. I understand Sutton being embarrassed she forget to bring a gift, but it's really not that big of a deal. Everyone knows she's generous. She could have said "oh my gosh, I forgot to bring my gift for you with me Garcelle! I'll bring it next time." If it were about Garcelle and not her, she wouldn't have ruined the moment. Everyone was having fun. 

I don't think Sutton is a bad person, but her combination of hormones, awkwardness, sensitivity, it's not fun to watch on TV. She is too fragile to be a Real Housewife.

Someone brought up Crystal having "resting smug face," and I could see that. There are instances where she does seem smug, like when she said in a confessional "Sutton is who I thought she was" with this huge smirk on her face. But then many instance she has that exact same expression, so IDK. It's possible she doesn't mean to come across smug at all. My own face looks unhappy unless I'm smiling. 

I wasn't crazy about how Crystal portrayed what was an accident, but she is correct regarding the definition of violate. There are so many things that are violating. For example, someone going through my phone without my permission leaves me feeling violated. 

Edited July 8, 2021 by RealHousewife

[dosodog]

17 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

That recipe may become Rinna's next product on QVC or HSN - whatever shopping channel she was on.  Maybe they'll bottle it and she can sell it on TV!!!  

Something tells me Rinna isn't going to become the next Estee Lauder with her hideous lipstick line.

Rinna appears to no longer be at QVC. All of her clothes are on clearance. 

No more dusters paying for Harry Hamlin's retirement.  

[princelina]

1 hour ago, TexasGal said:

I was so busy checking out the fans to keep the bugs away from the platter outside, that I had to go back to see who started up on the peeping Tom thing again.  Kathy is gonna stir that pot all she can, huh?

Yeah - and I thought she was the one who started it last week too.

 

1 hour ago, truthaboutluv said:

eta: And I'm especially baffled at Sutton's not bringing a fit when isn't this the woman who constantly brings gifts for the women for no reason at all, whenever they take trips and stuff? And yet she didn't think to have something when Lisa said she was going to throw a small celebration for Garcelle's birthday?

Right? I bet Garcelle doesn't have that book with Sutton's picture in it!  She needs one.

 

1 hour ago, Vanderboom said:

So over the Naked Surprise Incident. I imagine that Crystal is, too. Sutton is an actual adult throwing a tantrum at someone else's party. I will say, though. I'm not sure that "jealous" is the right word for Captain Vocab to use, but I'm glad she stayed away from words like "crazy."

Her best line was when Sutton threw the C word - "What crazy planet are you from?"  "Not yours" 😄. I've had a hard time picking a side in this battle, but if you drag something out long enough . . . IMO Sutton has explained to Crystal on several occasions now about who Sutton is, what hurts Suttons feelings and offends Sutton, how Sutton's growing up has affected Sutton, how Sutton reacts to stress, what Sutton likes and doesn't like, etc.  Crystal is over Sutton.  What she should have said, rather than jealous, was something along the lines of "I'll just remember to lock my door next time since not everyone has the good manners to wait to be invited in."  Heehee

 

[Cosmocrush]

3 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I really can't take much more of "Fragile Sutton."

Don't you mean Thomasina?   I loved it when Kathy called her that. Of course instead of laughing it off like a normal person with a sense of humor she got all butt hurt all over again. 

[CSunshine76]

I love how Rinna goes on and on about Erika’s “cute” house. I only my wish my “cute” little townhouse* had such a backyard with a cabana and pool! She must be miserable suffering in such a shack. 🙄🙄🙄

* you know, the townhouse I saved up to buy at 40 as a single woman. But I digress! Ugh.

Edited July 8, 2021 by CSunshine76

[Cosmocrush]

3 hours ago, Julyolo said:

Think Lisa "the hustler" and Harry Hasbeen are attempting to convince people they should have a cooking show.

This makes me sad because I would probably end up watching it.  I find this marriage  fascinating. 

[CSunshine76]

6 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

This makes me sad because I would probably end up watching it.  I find this marriage  fascinating. 

I’d be right beside you, friend.

Which makes me question myself! 

[Bronzedog]

Harry was probably thrilled that someone was eating his cooking.  He’s used to his wife and daughters splitting a cucumber slice.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Bronzedog

[hoodooznoodooz]

Why didn’t Harry use more vegetables from The Garden?

eta: Nevermind. I am watching the kitchen scene now.

Erika is a book person.

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[Cheyanne11]

Well, Sutton made an absolute fool out of herself.  And all because she didn't bring a gift, was embarrassed, and decided to channel that into making Crystal the bad guy/the one who won't let something go and herself the victim.  Like Garcelle said, she was acting more hormonal and emotional than her teenagers.

[mbaywife123]

I got bored tonight and tuned into this episode.

Kyle will always be Kyle but I do like the relationships she has with her "kids" and "toking" Mo.

Kathy and her feigned cluelessness, obviously she taught Paris well, just as big Kathy schooled her girls. Her son is an entitled ass but both Nikki & Paris seen like good people when you scratch below the surface nonsense.

Rinna is truly a hustler and down in the pit dirty and fake as all get out. Harry Hamlin can serve me pasta and a pie/cake and then go to camp out in Canada to his hearts desire.

Erica, although I am conflicted about her (she has always been cold) I can somewhat understand being with an older man for MANY

years and being hushed, shushed and dismissed in private and public (around friends is the most humiliating) and putting on the happy couple tomdefend your relationship/spouse face. But there comes point when you have to wake from the coma, grab yourself by the bootstraps and walk the f out the door even if it is to the totally scary unknown.It will be interesting to see what she knows and is possibly responsible for legally.

Sutton please just stop, we all were able to see that it was just an awkward moment with Crystal and nothing more.

Crystal, no comment.

Dorit is just kinda there but not as annoying this season.

[swankie]

3 hours ago, Wicked said:

Sutton is embarrassed that she didn't bring a present, that is all

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING!!!  The hammer just hit the nail on the head!  Sutton is deflecting attention from the fact that she came to the party giftless.  And I imagine she's feeling left out much like she did when all of the girls were in on Kathy's practical joke on the girls and the reverse joke they played on her.  Everyone there collaborated on gifts or brought their own gift but her.  Crystal's grin when Garcelle opened the gift she went in on set Sutton over the edge big time.  

[ichbin]

Sutton is overly sensitive and high strung.

Crystal takes obvious delight (or perhaps even a sense of power) in Sutton's discomfort or agitation.

Says more about Crystal than Sutton. 

[Decider]

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

How does Dorit sound more American as PK than she does as Dorit?

I thought the EXACT same thing when she was imitating PK.

Crystal is a stone cold G, I have to give it to her. Sutton was completely deflecting the situation because she had not brought a gift for Garcelle, goes against her all the way properly raised Southern lady image.  The calmer [general] you can remain while the other person falls apart, the better you look.  Hoping that this whole Thomasina storyline gets a rest soon.

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[biakbiak]

6 minutes ago, ichbin said:

Sutton is overly sensitive and high strung.

Crystal takes obvious delight (or perhaps even a sense of power) in Sutton's discomfort or agitation.

Says more about Crystal than Sutton. 

What does the fact that Sutton picks fights with Crystal at every turn and has told her she can’t talk about her own experiences or express her own feelings the way she wants say about Sutton? Or that Sutton blames Crystal for things like what Kathy calls her? 

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[Adgirl]

3 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

uppity

what is this supposed to mean? As a rich bitch in Beverly Hills why shouldn't she be uppity? No one is responsible for the way Sutton feels. She spun herself into a tizzy because she was embarrassed. What an immature asshole for attacking Crystal for no reason.

 

[Cosmocrush]

2 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

I get the impression Crystal is enjoying driving Sutton mental.

Well, I would be enjoying it but it's apparently so easy it's not really even fun. 

I'm trying to remember what part of the Exquisite Manners by Sutton  says if you get embarrassed then make the party all about yourself and embarrass yourself further over something else.  Especially at someone else's home, honoring someone that is not you.