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Agreed. All of this Garcelle was a loyal and truest friend EVER! I mean she was aight to be honest. I've had frenemies defend me better though. LOL But I'm a Puerto Rican chick that grew up on the streets of the Bronx in the 80's so we were all friends/enemies at some point in time. It was a man eat man world back then. LOL. In the words of Kyle, this is child's play... Lol Oh and I'm mad that no one took the opportunity make a Jennifer Till connection. LOL

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I mean, I'm sharing how I feel about the reunion and her exit, well aware of what's transpired during the show. Quite honestly I doubt Garcelle is in the throws of anguish and despair over it all so painting such a dismal picture of Garcelle's "trials and tribulations" throughout her run is a bit overkill. I saw the show and know what happened so the recaps are very unnecessary. Just saying. Here Here!

I think Garcelle had good reason to feel the way she feels about the cast but I do think that it was pretty corny to leave extra pressed without actually speaking COMPLETELY about it. I mean, I didn't want Garcelle to get into any nasty ugly back and forth fights but at the end there she seemed HELLA pressed and I think it was a bit of a cop out to show us that she's big mad only to scurry off, mumbling under her breath about people being assholes. And you just know that there will be more to come by way of social media. It's already started. It'll be subtle and very Garcelle-like but it's gonna hit a few points and make a few waves and she'll be able to tell us how she REALLY feels through the comfortable canopy of not having to face the cast next season. I don't anticipate full force meanness but I'm sure she'll get her point across because she's free of having to be held to fire once they start filming again. That's what I'm really disappointed about. Little by little she'll elaborate and it will all be taken in stride and the shade will be provided by hosts during this interview and that pod cast while Garcelle gives a knowing giggle and look confirming whatever shade but I would have loved to just see her take care of business WHILE she was on the show. I was a bit of a Garcelle fan and I didn't dislike her like I do the rest so it's not that I have anything against Garcelle in general I just wasn't a fan of the turn tail and run exit. There were so many better ways for her to leave with a much better fuck you than she delivered. What I'm anticipating is that she was too above getting into in on the show but now during the aftermath I'm guessing she'll be a little more saucy and that's kinda wack. But I could be wrong. Who knows.

No I was referring to your examples. We all know WHY Garcelle has reason to think her castmates are assholes but I'm sticking with how things played out at the reunion and how Garcelle handled herself. Listing a bunch of criticisms and slights from the cast over the span of the show as a defense of her inability to use the reunion to actually speak up about why she's "pissed" doesn't cut it.

Pointing out double standards on this franchise is like pointing out that water is wet. Whataboutism isn't my favorite way to debate so there is that.

Okay so I'm sticking with what I'm talking about. I wasn't a fan on how Garcelle handled herself. My main beef with her (and please refrain from thinking you can determine bias we are not in court and it aint that deep LOL) is that I had high hopes for her when she started and she didn't deliver. I do think she had a great demeanor that looked like she'd be able to handle these wenches and I appreciated her kindness to Sutton. However that doesn't blind me to her shortcomings and to be honest listing all the shortcomings of everyone else isn't really an effective debating tactic. Staying on point is. Garcelle didn't have enough substance or follow through during her whole run. The minute any of her conversations got any push back or any debate she'd fall back and give us a generally neutral response. Usually, a very dismissive "okay" and let it drop. I totally understand not wanting to engage, especially if a conversation starts escalating and Garcelle is famous for not taking a conversation to a volatile level. I don't fault her for that but my problem with her now is that all these seasons of her trying to stay out of the mud has made her mad. I find that comical. She's annoyed that she got some heat meanwhile she swore she layed groundwork for them to what? not come for her? I really think her behavior afterwards was her being completely shocked that she didn't come across as the neutral, level headed one that isn't as trifling as the others. Look, I definitely do not think she is as bad as them. I just think she's a tad bit silly. She kinda reminds me of Carol Radziwill who thought she was so much smarter and clever and yet still signed on to be a part of the same trash show as the women she thought she was way more mature than. I am not blind to the bullshit that Garcelle faced over the seasons my personal gripe is that she never dived in and took care of business instead she's leaving, whimpering and acting as if she deserved different treatment than the rest of the cast. Her departure is a good decision because she just can't take he heat. I don't agree with what the franchise has been reduced to but at the same time I find it absolutely comical that Garcelle has this whole "oh me or my" exit happening. As if she has just escaped some gruesome prison she's been held captive in and no a show that she was ready, able and willing to participate EYES WIDE OPEN. I'mma chalk her up to one of those who thought they were going to come into the fray with game and wit and would eat but instead sauntered in with a wave, a giggle but ended up leaving with a good riddance from most of the cast as well as the host. I'm just saying it's funny to me the way she left like she was born yesterday. A simple, cheers, cheese, it was a fun run, i'm outty, see ya when I see ya would have been a more "Kiss my Ass" exit but instead we saw a pouty, poor me, angst teenager instead of the glorious Queen Garcelle is. I'm just so disappointed with HOW she left. I found it lack luster. Oh well.

The reason why Garcelle had to own her feelings yet again was because she referenced it again this season. The other women don't need to jump in front of that firing squad AGAIN just because Garcelle has decided to make it a talking point again. I'd be mad too if I was expected to revisit that topic. Garcelle not being the only one to feel that way about it wasn't the point and personally I find it corny that that was her go to. Ain't nobody talking about anyone else girl. We are talking about YOU and how YOU continue to speak on it even now. Garcelle is a bit of a wack debater because she constantly tries to drag how others reacted or responded when SHE is being called out. Girl, defend YOUR position, say what you want and leave everyone else out of it.

I'm with you on that one. They covered it already in a previous season and Garcelle made many quips about it, making little jokes and quips and really got her full of the subject. She also covered her position already and how she felt about it. How many more times does Garcelle need to refer to that topic. At this point it was in fact in bad taste because honestly, with something like that, unless I have absolute proof that it was a set up Imma let it go. Especially since she already shared and commented her feelings on the matter. She was able to state her opinion, explain her reasoning and let it be known. Why the need to beat the dead horse and then get mad that she get's shit for it. Garcelle is the reason why the topic came up again so she has only herself to blame for the renewed distaste she's gotten about it.

Yeah, but the Tom stuff was actually very important. Sutton was actually doing some heavy lifting ON BEHALF of them all so Garcelle's quiet and brief "yup uh-huh" was also serving HERSELF. It was also VERY understandable that the cast would push for more on this very tricky topic. Garcelle wanting to push about Morgan. Not that crucial of a thing to "get to the bottom of". Neither with Dorit's robbery. Actually the robbery thing could get sticky so pushing the "set up" narrative really doesn't serve any purpose other than to pick at Dorit. Don't get me wrong, I have no issue coming for Dorit but on that particular topic I wouldn't think it wise. Garcelle is basically accussing someone of something and she may be looking at some real life repercussions. Not worth it at all.

I think your confusing what YOU'VE pieced together with what Garcelle has ACTUALLY expressed on the show. And I think that A LOT of what you are referencing are the nuggets Garcelle shares in a confessional. Not what she actually addresses with the others. One other IMPORTANT detail is that whenever Garcelle may have mentioned ANY of this she doesn't stay on point long enough for it to resonate. It fizzes out and she is very famous for the trail off... "... but it's okay..." fade away leaving the rest with a ummm okay, shrug of the shoulders cause Garcelle's pretty much conceded and left it alone. That's Garcelle's signature move. Look, if you want a pity party or if you want for the others to fight to keep your corny grievances alive then Garcelle picked the wrong show. She does not truly dig in her heels. Then gets mad that no one else cares about it. Well I mean if you are going to be the first one to dismiss it then why on earth would any of the other women pick it up and run with it for you? I get understanding where Garcelle is coming from but it's pretty obvious that Garcelle didn't really put her back into any of it including stuff for her own damn self. If you want to be heard SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST. I've said it before. Otherwise, expecting the other women who are famous for being self centered and self serving to wax poetic on your behalf is complete idiocy. And expecting Sutton to pick up the slack is even more idiotic considering she's the last person any of them will listen to anyway. Not to mention she's too busy swatting away daggers and knives in her own defense. Geez Louise.

My thing is then why doesn't Garcelle just specify that. Why is the audience and the other cast member left to fill in the blanks. I have no problem with that being the case and the reasoning but my issue is that Garcelle doesn't address it either. So neither one of them is being completely forthright. I also don't think it's cool to try and call your friend out regardless. So what. She talks shit behind the scene but she's talking shit WITH Garcelle. Unless Garcelle AND Sutton both agreed beforehand to go balls to the wall this season and let it all hang out and then Sutton turned tailed and clammed up when Garcelle led the charge (this could be the case) then I'm not with Garcelle being butt hurt about it all. I think Garcelle decide to try to drop bombs on Suttons behalf in order to bring it but that's not for her to do. Garcelle needed to drop Garcelle bombs and not use Suttons unlikeability and her neediness for friendship as her "bringing it" this season. Why couldn't Garcelle speak up on her own behalf and get into their asses on her own about whatever it is she wanted to take them to task for? This whole thing where Sutton has failed Garcelle because Garcelle isn't expected to manuever HER own role as a main cast member without Suttons blind support is a bit annoying to me. Especially when Garcelle picks and chooses when to back up Sutton, as she should. Not to mention it looked as if Garcelles biggest storyline was her disapproval of Suttons need to be accepted. I guess she didn't feel comfortable being real about that but was real comfortable blowing Suttons spot and tattling on her during the reunion. Yeah, Garcelle really lost me on how she handled everything involving Sutton and the other and how she handled her own friendship with her.

Love al of this, especially the bolded!

I'm confused with this assessment. When has Sutton thrown Garcelle to the side? The one issue Garcelle was mad about and spoke on kinda.. was when Sutton refused to continue needling Kyle about Morgan. I don't consider that throwing Garcelle to the side. I saw that as Garcelle deciding to TRY and move forward with that particular issue and Sutton clearly stating she didn't want to. You mean to tell me friends aren't allowed to disagree? Now if you mean Garcelle's disapproval of Suttons neediness with regards to continuously trying to befriend the other castmates despite their mistreatment of Sutton then that's not Sutton throwing Garcelle to the side that Garcelle deciding that Suttons friendship isn't worth the aggravation of witnessing that. Which honestly is definitely Garcelle's prerogative but that's not Sutton tossing Garcelle to the side, that's Garcelle tossing Sutton to the side cause she can't be bothered. It absolutely makes sense that Garcelle doesn't want to be a part of that and there's nothing wrong with that but let's not make it into something it's not. This isn't a poor Garcelle moment. She made a grown choice and that's okay but at the same time I personally don't think the antics of the show is worth throwing her friendship away however that goes back to the idea that Sutton was Garcelles work "friend" whereas Sutton thought they were real friends. A lot of us here have been on the fence about that one and it seems to me that Garcelle showed us what the real deal is.

ALL OF THIS!!! I'm a bit frustrated with Garcelle's frustrations and justified anger towards the FFF being entangled with Sutton's failures as a friend. Sutton has a hard enough time navigating through the barrage of shit thrown at her at all times and yet people really expect her to have the wherewithall to not only come to Garcelles defense but to also DECIPHER when, where and how? Even though Garcelle herself is cutting her own self off and giving up NOTHING. Sorry, that's a tall order Garcelle is requesting. Hell, I STILL don't know what the hell Garcelle was mad about SPECIFICALLY. What are we to expect Sutton to jump in randomly and cite two seasons ago, three seasons ago, twenty minutes ago.. what?? Garcelle frustrated me because she wasn't being CLEAR! That's always been my problem with her. She doesn't say SHIT with her chest. She pouts, she speaks in vague terms and doesn't actually explain anything fully and when she finally does she pulls out some generic "no one smiled at me today" nonsense. I still didn't get what that was supposed to generate from the others. I wouldn't have know how to even address that and as much as I dislike Kyle I wasn't mad at her response with saying that "maybe noone is really smiling because it's tense and foreboding day that they are about to have". It was just so silly. And as for the robbery portion, did Garcelle actually think she was supposed to get a cookie for continuously claiming it was fake? I mean good for you that you're being accountable but being accountable doesn't absolve you from the negative reaction. Did she really think she was supposed to receive a bunch of warm and fuzzies? Girl bye. That's was absolutely hysterical to me and delusional of her. Make it make sense. I also appreciated the fact that Erika at the end pointedly said "you get the shit kicked out of you every season" (or something like that) to Sutton. Like what in the world is Garcelle running off set being dramatic about? Look, I'm good with Garcelle wanting to be done and I'm good with her feeling how she feels but at the end of the day that was hella corny, confusing and ridiculous how she went out. Not to mention uneccessarily dramatic. To be honest her whole pouting parting commentary was so lame because as true as it that these bitches are assholes she came across like she was brand new and born yesterday. Sorry not sorry. It sounded like she didn't understand what show she was on. Everything she felt is obviously valid and viewers as well as castmates can absolute get that but her silly deployment of these misgivings and grievances just made her exit and handling of the situation bizarre. Yeah, everyone can fill in the blanks and figure out where her reasoning is and look back on past grievance and put shit together but at the same time she's a grown ass woman and couldn't figure out how to express herself more fully, completely and with less monotone theatrics? God Lord, give me a break.