S05.E09: Hilton Head-Ache 2018.05.31

[Otherkate]

There are few things in this world that I am less interested in than Austin's boring ass love life.

[iloveit]

Damn, that was nuts. Like, made me feel uncomfortable yikes. Is Ashley the least likeable person on Bravo right now? 

I thought Shep made a good point that it was weird that Thomas was just sitting around with ashley - like that is not his T rav style. 

[bosawks]

Just now, iloveit said:

I thought Shep made a good point that it was weird that Thomas was just sitting around with ashley - like that is not his T rav style. 

I’m going to go Occam’s Razor on this one and guess that it was just because he was to drunk to get up without assistance...

[Babyfoot]

Danni and Ashley are vying/dying/trying for Bravo celebrity. Their producers/agents/handlers told them to BRING THE DRAMA so that they can earn their peach/apple/orange. 

[mbaywife123]

This was a good episode. 

I was watching thinking, Yes, No, Damn, WTH, Crazy, Close your drunk mouth, Sweet, ect.!

[breezy424]

And....on the ferry back, TRav broke the fourth wall when Chelsea said something about him and Ashley not staying there if Kathryn was uncomfortable.  Him with the you can't do that.  Yeah, production planned the trip and got the house.  But boy, we get to see TRav's rage once again, like when he hosted that party at his house a few seasons back.

Some may hate Kathryn but she has done everything she's supposed to as far as the children and she is earning her right to be with them.  Ashley is so jealous of Kathryn because TRav still has a thing for her.  And wtf with painting TRav's toenails?  Yeah, no.

I loved when Shep came back to the group and said he hated Ashley.  And buying the flounder...

[iloveit]

I do not think Danni is “thirsty.” She was standing up for her friend which she also did in past seasons, even when doing so was highly unpopular. 

[Gem 10]

1 hour ago, Jets4274 said:

I think she's on some prescription meds.

She's probably on meds to keep her off drugs and alcohol.  Maybe antidepressants also, which is a good thing.

[rideashire]

I've watched a lot of reality tv and I'm not sure the last time I've seen someone get so completely unhinged with so little prompting before. Ashley went from zero to sixty in point two seconds. It looked like she was just grasping at anything that came into her mind as a reason to continue the argument. She came there to fight and she was gonna get her wish even if she had to stumble over her words and flip her hair fifty times, by golly she was gonna tell kathryn what an awful person she was.

Shep hit the nail on the head when he said she had an irrational amount of confidence after that fight, which shows me that her view of the whole situation is pretty warped. She thinks she won. It's the oddest thing.

Not surprised Thomas didn't step in to stop all that, he loves women fighting over him, and despite claiming to be the boss he seems very easily manipulated and docile (when he's not raging about something at random). Who knows what goes on behind closed doors but that might be the one thing I would agree with ashely on. She probably is the boss is some respects in that relationship, at least until he gets sick of her for the last time.

Edited June 1, 2018 by rideashire

[Sage47]

Why is Thomas keeping Ashley around? Aren’t they still together?! So vile. He is a disturbed man. 

I would love to know more about Ashley-her family, her past....she is scary! 

On the preview for next week Austen says to Victoria that Chelsea isn’t the romantic type. I agree. She is fun and really cute but I don’t see the vulnerability in her that would make her truly fall deeply for a guy. She seems to like to play guys more than really get into them. 

Edited June 1, 2018 by Sage47

[JenE4]

You guys, T-Rav has YELLOW pants and my whole world is turned upside down—white is yellow and Kathryn is calm and composed. But everyone is saying how Ashley won’t last and T-Rav is going to realize how crazy she is. All of them are forgetting that he LOVED Krazy Kathryn. This is what turns him on! It’s probably all the better because Ashley has that same level of “energy” and “fight for my love spirit” but she’s turning it outward onto everyone else, not him. But, daaaaaaaaaamn, ASHLEY, you are off your rocker, ASHLEY! (I laughed when CHELSIE had to walk away because Ashley wouldn’t stop saying CHELSIE every third word.) 

[Caseysgirl]

Well, Ashley is really welcome to Thomas ( convicted felon and accused rapist are not exactly great credentials).  He seems so vain and weak when he is with her and if he ever does put a ring on it, you can bet that lady will not be fawning over him and painting his nails. She will be laying down the law and have a leash around his neck. I am actually, hoping she gets him to do that as I would love to watch; however, if he gets written off the show I can guarantee that she will benhighttailing it back to California or suddenly find herself " in love" with one of the male regulars.

[RedDelicious]

Someone please just put Ashley's head in the toilet and flush. 

[bichonblitz]

54 minutes ago, dosodog said:

He's beyond gross. There was no one else to get custody?  No one?

 

Money and connections talk. Thomas probably knew the judge and he also probably has the best lawyer in town. Unfortunately. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

1 minute ago, bichonblitz said:

probably has the best lawyer in town.

So, Craig?

[mytmo]

Boy I would've boxed those dumbo ears if Thomas got in my face like that.

And then to see his orange painted toes?!  Retch worthy.  Wish I could've post a gif of sea sick stew from Below Deck Mediterranean.

[Wierzbowski]

Fuuuuuuck Ashley. She's thirsty, nuts, and the world's largest hairy, dirty asshole. I would have popped her one, without a doubt. My blood was boiling watching her today, and I never get worked up or emotionally invested in these shows, which I watch normally pretty brainlessly. Katherine did good. I never thought I'd say that. EVER. 

Edited June 1, 2018 by Wierzbowski
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[Suck It Trebek]

Thomas screaming at Chelsea on the ferry was pretty scary. She handled herself really well in the face of that, especially considering no one really told him to back off. I suppose Austen, but that seemed half-hearted at best.

[Megan]

Could Ashley have uttered more cliches? It's like she bought a book. (Hair flip.)

[Gem 10]

Just now, Gem 10 said:

What is a WOC?

O.k.  Now I figured it out.

[scenicbyway]

59 minutes ago, Drumpf1737 said:

 

Was Whitney sitting there the whole time? He just appeared at Kathryn's elbow like a spirit.

Yes!  I couldn't believe that Whitney of all people was sitting there quietly at Katherine's side during that confrontation and then he complimented her behavior afterword!  It was shocking!  Normally he'd be in the corner egging the whole thing on.

Once Thomas and Ashley walked away from the table I thought the episode must be over and then I looked at the clock and there was 45 minutes left!  That fight felt like an hour.  I do wonder what meds Katherine is on, she was way too calm for what was being thrown at her.  I'm sure she's worried about custody too.

Shep not liking Ashley has to be a first!  Even when someone's been ugly, he's given them a pass until her.

Cheltsie, make up your mind about Austen, we all know you like that he folllws you around like a puppy dog, but making him look like a fool is not nice.  Austen, she's just not into you.  Find someone else, preferably not a friend of Cheltsie's.

The biggest mystery of the episode has to be how Craig ran out of clothes on the second day of the trip...

[Bronzedog]

14 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

So, Craig?

No.  Craig was busy knitting an Afghan with Gizmo's picture on it.

it's interesting how similar situations show up in different franchises - psychics in almost all and now buying fish instead of catching them in this and Housewives of NYC.

[bichonblitz]

Sadly, I think Kathryn still holds out hope that Thomas can really change and become a faithful, loving man and if he sees the "new Kathryn" he will get back together with her and they will live happily ever after as a family. She hasn't faced reality yet where he's concerned. 

Edited June 1, 2018 by bichonblitz

[heatherchandler]

FUCK YOU DANNI- YOU go away!!

[AttackTurtle]

I guess I didn’t see the girls as being mean to Ashley.  Chelsea in particular seemed fairly kind.  Really other than voicing their annoyance during the horseback riding....what did they really do to Ashley?   But more importantly, I never saw Kathryn do anything to warrant that attack.  It seemed to me that Ashley wanted to out all of Kathryn’s dirty laundry.  In the words of Shep...”it wasn’t kind”.

 I know that Kathryn hasn’t always been embraced by the group, but Shep, Craig, and Dani have allways seemed a little protective of her since Season 2. 

I’ve been one of Kathryn’s fiercest critics, but the only people she needs to prove herself to are her two kids.  

[Drumpf1737]

8 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Sadly, I think Kathryn still holds out hope that Thomas can really change and become a faithful, loving man and if he sees the "new Kathryn" he will get back together with her and they will live happily ever after as a family. She hasn't faced reality yet where he's concerned. 

I go back and forth. I think she may fantasize about that but only because they have children together. She's become more and more resigned to the fact that he's a jerk.

[ScoobieDoobs]

"You're stuck with me!"  Brrrr, I think you got a bunny-burner there, Thom-ass.  Ew, what an icky creepy chick.  

But he's so desperate for someone young, and she's so clearly desperate to latch onto someone with dough, she ain't goin' nowhere.  And looks like she's yet another one relentlessly thirsty to be on a reality show (um, hello Naomie).

Whitney still seems like befuddled Grampa Simpson to me.  Get Whit a cane & a walker.

Is it just me -- I think Kathryn looks really cute with no mascara.

[Gem 10]

I just hope and pray Ashley doesn't get pregnant.  Why in hell doesn't TomAss use protection, because she's the boss and doesn't want to?

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Jets4274 said:

Is Ashley really combing Thomas's hair with a Dora the Explorer brush?

I was wondering if she stole borrowed that brush from Kensie.

[jumper sage]

37 minutes ago, Suck It Trebek said:

Thomas screaming at Chelsea on the ferry was pretty scary. She handled herself really well in the face of that, especially considering no one really told him to back off. I suppose Austen, but that seemed half-hearted at best.

Makes one think that the allegations are true.  He went from 0 to 60 pretty darn quick and very nasty.

[Rlb8031]

In a world of Housewwives, Basketball Wives, Vanderpump chicks and various and sundry hip hop hangers on, I can't possibly see how anything those women did was "mean" enough to justify Ashley going apeshit and not just going after Kathryn, but also talking shit about her kids. Kathryn was 21 when she started dating TRash. She was addled by drugs and alcohol and was buying into this fantasy of her and Thomas being a perfect couple. Ashley is a full-grown 33 and should know better.

[RedDelicious]

7 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I was wondering if she stole borrowed that brush from Kensie.

I'm confident you are correct and the purpose was to provoke Kathryn.

[Wierzbowski]

Also: "Where's Whitney?" "Probably hanging upside in his closet." BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

I might have to start liking Naomie now.  I will have to watch again because I heard she was wearing a "Kitten Lady" tee shirt...why does Naomie have to do something nice like that? 

Maybe Shep should hook up with Katheryn.

Funny how everybody seems to like Katheryn now...well, compared to Ashley, I guess Katheryn is the Virgin Mary.

I still don't like Kathryn, and feel like she is one step away from a downward spiral, but Ashley is super thirsty for screentime and for Thomas.  I feel like whatever Kathryn is doing now for her sobriety is kind of working - I wonder if Kathryn is also working on anger management, because she was so calm during that argument, compared to how she may have acted last year or the year before.

Some the stuff that Ashley said was horrible!  I don't know what kind of truth there is to any of it, but I wonder if there's more exaggeration than truth, because she continued to try to convince the others that she was right.  Plus, she was very "holier than thou" with everyone.  When you piss off Shep, you know it's bad - he rarely displays anger with any of the women on this show.

Another thing I was wondering was if Ashley is trying to intentionally push Kathryn's buttons, and possibly drive her to a relapse.  That type of premeditated behavior wouldn't surprise me, and it wouldn't surprise me if she was doing that with Thomas' blessing.  

[jumper sage]

Just now, Wierzbowski said:

Also: "Where's Whitney?" "Probably hanging upside in his closet." BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Even I roflmao on that one.

[Gem 10]

50 minutes ago, Suck It Trebek said:

Thomas screaming at Chelsea on the ferry was pretty scary. She handled herself really well in the face of that, especially considering no one really told him to back off. I suppose Austen, but that seemed half-hearted at best.

I thought southern men were gentlemen.  TomAss is no gentleman to scream at a woman like that.  Chelsea should of gotten up and slapped his freakin face.

[itsadryheat]

1 hour ago, RedDelicious said:

Someone please just put Ashley's head in the toilet and flush. 

You may have gotten your wish...kind of. Earlier today I was browsing on another site, TT, and saw a picture of Ashley and Shep. Something very unhealthy has happened to her. I didn't even recognize the woman in the image was Ashley. Not making any excuses for her abysmal behavior tonite, but hanging around old toxic TRav appears to have an extremely destructive effect on women from what we have seen on this show and the current news items. 

[lunastartron]

The footage of Thomas screaming and cursing at Chelsea on the ferry really emphasized for me more than any other clip from the past five years of this show the intensity of the misogyny among this milieu.

Chelsea just meekly cowering in her seat while barely able to choke out a timid "okay" was almost as disturbing to me as the fact that not one of the male cast members assertively told Thomas it's unacceptable to openly attempt to intimidate women. 

It's also interesting how Naomie can routinely verbally abuse Craig and even attack JD but was effectively mute during Ashley's demented Alex Forrest performance. 

Edited June 1, 2018 by lunastartron

[MinorL]

2 hours ago, iloveit said:

I do not think Danni is “thirsty.” She was standing up for her friend which she also did in past seasons, even when doing so was highly unpopular. 

That’s what I would have done had I been there. Ashley was out of control. 

[Natalie68]

2 hours ago, Sage47 said:

Why is Thomas keeping Ashley around? Aren’t they still together?! So vile. He is a disturbed man. 

I would love to know more about Ashley-her family, her past....she is scary! 

On the preview for next week Austen says to Victoria that Chelsea isn’t the romantic type. I agree. She is fun and really cute but I don’t see the vulnerability in her that would make her truly fall deeply for a guy. She seems to like to play guys more than really get into them. 

My guess is to make him look better during the investigation for his various sexual assaults.

[Jellybean13]

During Ashley's rant, she repeatedly mentioned the nanny "knocking on the door" to talk to Thomas about the kids not sleeping.  Anyone know if it's true that the kids and the nanny are banished to the guest house, and don't basically live with him?  I wonder how that flies with whatever child protective agency they are governed by.

Ashley is demented, and if not for the poor children, would be a perfect match for the drunk, convicted felon.

[Pop Tart]

27 minutes ago, itsadryheat said:

You may have gotten your wish...kind of. Earlier today I was browsing on another site, TT, and saw a picture of Ashley and Shep. Something very unhealthy has happened to her. I didn't even recognize the woman in the image was Ashley. Not making any excuses for her abysmal behavior tonite, but hanging around old toxic TRav appears to have an extremely destructive effect on women from what we have seen on this

I don’t generally comment on weight either up or down for these reality show cast members, but I found the picture you’re referencing and wow, Ashley is looking like she’s got a serious heroin addiction going on or she’s suddenly anorexic. She does not look healthy at all. Its a little freaky.

Tonight when Thomas was raging at Chelsea, I became completely convinced the accusations against him are true. He was clearly very drunk on the ferry, and the way he lost all control was illuminating. No acting there.

[Starlight925]

 

This was taken 4 days ago.  Is this the photo?  She looks emaciated.

[Pop Tart]

3 minutes ago, Sterling said:

This was taken 4 days ago.  Is this the photo?  She looks emaciated.

That’s the one I was referencing in my post.

[slowpoked]

Ashley is really playing it up to be the next big Bravo villain, huh?! Just all those snide comments to the women and to Shep, who has done nothing to her, and some wonder why she's the pariah of the group. I thought it was common knowledge that if you're the new kid on the block, you try to fit yourself with the group at first, not the whole group to try to fit with you. Shep's right - she's condescending and a bit of a brat. If she's playing it up to be a foil to Kathryn, oh well, good luck to her.

So is this officially the Phase 2 of the season now?! Naomie was the first half villain and now, it's Ashley?! Speaking of Naomie, I'm getting the feeling that the Naomie-Peyton-Craig triangle or whatever that was was so, so scripted, and that it's weird that it died a sudden death. No Peyton in this trip?! Why?! She has served her purpose, I suppose.

In less interesting news, why is Victoria surprised that Austen is still canoodling with some other woman - worse, his "ex-girlfriend" - while just professing "we're together" just a few days before? He's the male Landon! "Who, me?! I don't know why her arms are all over me. I mean, you know...I can't just walk away and move to the other side, and avoid her altogether...she's flirting WITH me!!" This is the same guy who brought said ex-girlfriend as his date to a ball, and had some other chick sit on his lap for half the time in front of his date. Move on, Victoria. You seem ok, why settle for this muppet mouth, who doesn't know or understand the basic decency of respecting the woman he's in a relationship with by physically moving away from his ex, who also happened to be your friend. Oh well, you moved on him anyway even with Chelsea as your friend, so I guess, y'all deserve each other.

Although I'm surprised that's the picture Victoria got pissy with, when Austen proudly posted a photo of Chelsea sitting on his shoulders and him holding her legs on his IG after dinner on Marshide Mama's.

[bref]

There is no circumstance under which it is appropriate for a girlfriend of a couple months to speak to the mother of her boyfriend's children like that.  

[slowpoked]

17 hours ago, bref said:

There is no circumstance under which it is appropriate for a girlfriend of a couple months to speak to the mother of her boyfriend's children like that.  

You know what's cray-cray about Ashley? She DEMANDS. She demands that people who have been together for a long time and already has certain ways around them be nice to her but she doesn't feel the need to return the favor. She demands that her boyfriend get her to be invited to his kid's birthday party. She demands that the decent thing for Kathryn to do is to invite her to Saint's birthday. 

I don't care that she demands things from Thomas. Clothes, ring, credit cards, money, etc., whatever. She's his girlfriend, she can do anything she wants with him. And vice versa. But the other people don't owe a single fucking thing to Ashley for her to demand things be accorded to her.

Edited June 1, 2018 by slowpoked

[itsadryheat]

16 minutes ago, Sterling said:

 

This was taken 4 days ago.  Is this the photo?  She looks emaciated.

 

Yep-that is the picture.

I obviously do not know how she got to this point, and am not blaming Trav for this because we are all responsible for our choices, actions, and words.  She did not look like this pre-Thoms Ravenal so her time spent in his company had a definite effect on her choices and it has not been healthy choices.

He is poison.

My head is conflicted because I abhor her behavior tonite on so many levels, but when I saw this picture I felt sorry and concerned for her.

[eggsnbacon]

4 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

She's probably on meds to keep her off drugs and alcohol.  Maybe antidepressants also, which is a good thing.

Her and Thomas were drugged out of their minds. He was slurring and she was having probablems with her speech. Sounded like they were on uppers to me and mixed it with alcohol. 

[ivygirl]

5 hours ago, nexxie said:

EVIL is the right word for that freak - good on the crew for supporting Kathryn (even Whitney hung in there).

I noticed he seemed a little... disappointed? when TRav said Kathryn kept her cool. Like “I want HER kinda crazy, not ASHLEY crazy...”

4 hours ago, Jets4274 said:

The mention of Whitney hanging upside down "in the closet" I think is their little joke amongst themselves which is why they were all chuckling.  They all know that he's gay.  There was a blind gossip item about him not too long ago.

I guess? But my first thought was a vampire. Hasn’t he made jokes about that too? (Or haven’t we here on PTV?)