S16.E05: Descending Into Good And Evil

[Drogo]

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Drawing inspiration from the film "Descendants 2", the designers visit Lyndhurst Castle and are tasked with creating a look that represents good or evil. Dove Cameron and China Anne McClain are guest judges.

 

[awaken]

 I wonder what determines whether it is a one or two day challenge? There doesn't seem to be any correlation with how complex the challenge is! 

[PaulaO]

Twenty minutes in and I'm saying Austin Scarlett's Grammy Dress re: Claire.

[vibeology]

Was there any suspense with that aufing? They tried but it was very obvious. That outfit was half complete at best  

I think Kenya should have won. I thought it was so chic and interesting without going full costume. Brandon's was clearly very well made but it does nothing for me. 

[DEL901]

Loved Claire's bitch face when the others were getting praise, especially when the judged praised Brandon's work which she'd previously ripped in a talking head.  ETA: And her "I' not going to beg" when they said she was safe.  Damn, she feels she's such a special snowflake.

Love how Brandon puts his head down and works, drama free.  The judges are right that he needs to change things up and show he's not a one trick pony, but at least he has a point of view that is uniquely his own. 

Cannot stand the twins collaborations.  They need to be separated.  I'd love to see them on different teams during a team challenge.

Not even going to bother discussing Aaron.

Edited September 15, 2017 by DEL901

[Ms Blue Jay]

How did Kenya or Michael not win?!!?  I AM DISTRAUGHT PEOPLE, I AM DISTRAUGHT.

Kenya's wasn't even my type, really, but when the model walked back stage all of the female judges stood in a line and APPLAUDED.  ACTUAL. APPLAUSE.  APPLAUSE!  

The judges went so nuts over Michael's and especially Kenya's and then gave Brandon the win?  Why?  Because that 12 year old blonde with the plastic surgery had a crush on him?

I like Brandon and all, but.  Ugh.

I've never liked Samantha's taste.  "80's prom dress" is exactly what I said and this time finally the judges felt the same.  I do think she's very talented though at making clothes, I just don't get her TASTE.

The Twins are complete stupid assholes.  I haven't really been in that whole fight until now, and I fully admit to rarely paying attention to the stuff in the design room, but god they were just complete assholes this week.  Complete.  Assholes.

And once again I liked Shawn's design.  So maybe Shawn is the designer I like and the other one is just superfluous.

Anyone a big "Frasier" fan here?  There's this hilarious subplot where someone mistakenly leaves a voicemail on Frasier's phone that says "You get the ONE, you get that OTHER ONE......."  talking about how whenever you invite one of the Crane brothers (Frasier or Niles) to something he also brings the other.  

Edited September 15, 2017 by Ms Blue Jay

[susannot]

Totally love the fact that Michael made plus size Idris (sp?) look extremely sexy and gorgeous for the first time.

Edited September 15, 2017 by susannot

[Ms Blue Jay]

39 minutes ago, awaken said:

 I wonder what determines whether it is a one or two day challenge? There doesn't seem to be any correlation with how complex the challenge is! 

It was abstract.  The challenge was abstract - "Do Good" or "Do Evil" - and they want the contestants to go nuts with it and hopefully get really artistic or even (draws in gasp) AVANT GARDE.

Designing pajamas or some outfit for a real person is extremely literal and practical, hence, one day.

I'm not saying it makes sense at all, it's just my observation.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Ms Blue Jay

[laprin]

Why was Michael's model thanking the judges? It was awkward. She's a fierce model, but she is a diva. 

I feel like I needed to be high to get Brandon's look. 

Kenya is so likeable and talented. 

Samantha, Aaron and Claire should have all been booted. 

[Mindthinkr]

It's not that I disagree with Nina...but she has a harsh delivery. Ouch

[Bebecat]

I thought Kenya would win, or Michael. Really did not get all the love for Brandon's. E gads I hate,the twins. They are intolerable in every way, and not original or especially talented. I wish they were both history. I feel like there is no reason for them to still be around except some pending drama.

[chitowngirl]

Didn't we all know that Claire was not going to be the "or more" to be aufed. 

[Primetimer]

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[vibeology]

4 minutes ago, laprin said:

Why was Michael's model thanking the judges? It was awkward. She's a fierce model, but she is a diva. 

I'm over Liris. She's got a great walk but her ego is ridiculous. Between thanking the judges this week and calling herself the Naomi of plus the other week and I'm not looking forward to more talking from her. Model is not the same thing as client. Designers should be respectful and they shouldn't send a model down the runway undressed but there is no reason to worry about their thoughts or preferences. Designers should be designing to their vision not to their models whims. 

[Empress1]

I love Kenya. "I just don't like a jacked-up crotch!" 

I have seen every episode of this show and Aaron's garment is top 5 worst things that have appeared. Yeesh.

I didn't like Ayana's either. Very matronly and I hated the colors.

Thought there would be more drama with Margarita since she got the phone call home, but no!

[pheebs]

Okay - now it's official. Claire is the absolute worst. "I'm not going to...grovel...and say, "Oh, thankyouthankyouthankyou, you know, I'll do better next week. I don't believe I deserved to be there in the first place."

Wanker.

[Surrealist]

5 minutes ago, pheebs said:

Okay - now it's official. Claire is the absolute worst. "I'm not going to...grovel...and say, "Oh, thankyouthankyouthankyou, you know, I'll do better next week. I don't believe I deserved to be there in the first place."

Wanker.

I really wished she had been aufed too, but I knew the multiple elimination option wasn't real.

[Nordly Beaumont]

8 minutes ago, laprin said:

Why was Michael's model thanking the judges? It was awkward.

Right? At first I thought "weird edit" but then she said thank you right along with Michael. Weird. I didn't like Michael's, it looked old and not very original. That's what I like about Brandon's work. It's something I've never seen or would never be able to think up myself. And, imo, it looks cool.

Aaron seemed like a nice enough fellow, and he may even be talented. But not here. I never understand people basically starting over when Tim is "concerned." Then they're off on a whole new thing that won't get critiqued and they've wasted time. Just do like Ross Gellar and PIVOT!

[agirlreading]

Oh my god, I don't understand how Brandon's outfit won. There were at least 3 other garments that were so much better. I'm calling BS that ANY of those women who claimed to like his outfit, would ever wear that out in public- or even want to be stuck in that costume on their show. I appreciate that he was trying to go for something different, but there's a way to do that without just putting different colored bags over women. I don't understand the love fest that's been going on with his looks all season.  They often talk about wanting to see more from a designer, but Brandon is one designer I have no interest in see more from. I just know it's going to be a boring, long, weirdly constructed pajama shirt in some hideous, yet dull color or print. It's insulting to me that he wins with that garbage over actual beautifully constructed garments. The only good thing I can say is at least he seems like a nice guy.

Cracked me up how Michael's model kept saying thank you to the judge's compliments. You didn't make that girl.  Oh Aaron's dress was painful. It looked like a pinata that had already been beaten up. Not at all surprised at what Claire made, but kinda pathetic that she doesn't realize what was wrong with it. I've been disappointed in Samantha's work all season. On the preshow, she was one of my favorites, but I haven't been wowed by anything she's done. At least Kenya's lived up to the hype. I love her stuff and the stuff she wears; I would totally buy her stuff. 

[Straycat80]

WTH were the judges smoking this week? I didn't get the big appeal of Brandon's design at all. And her boobs were hanging out. Michael should have won, his dress was sexy and 'evil'. 

There were so many other black designs (evil) that were safe that I thought should have been in the top three. And I hate to say this but Shawn's was one of them. 

Not surprise that Aaron got auf'ed and the 'more than one might go home' was a fake out of course. We would not be so lucky to lose one of the twins yet. 

I still do not care what the models think. So much focus is on them this season. They Are dictating to the designers what they want to wear. They are models, not clients. This would not happen in the real world of fashion. I can't picture a model telling Zac Posen, ' ya know, I don't want to wear anything short and sparkly'. 

[Vanderboom]

Oh Aaron. Holy crap that was awful. Although I liked Kenya's the best, I thought Michael was going to win. Once again, I'm not getting the Brandon praise. I didn't think it was bad or anything, I just couldn't see the amazingness. I do think that the "Evil" option had the advantage of being more interesting from a fashion point of view.

I'm glad Margarita got to stay. I was worried when they showed her talking to her family. And Claire? Saying "thank you" is not groveling. It's polite acknowledgement of the constructive critique. Oh well, it looks like she turns on Shawn next week.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Vanderboom

[BloggerAloud]

At this point, the only thing that is keeping me invested in the show is the "cheating" accusation from the season-long trailer and how it feels like they are sort of dropping hints, clues to it each episode like it's the Project Runway version of the "Who Got Murdered" drama of Big Little Liars. 

[I-Kare]

Their top three was my top three. That almost never happens.

[rustyspigot]

Aaron looks like he smells. Anyway, the other designers had to know it was a free pass week.

Oh, Claire. I love when her critiques of other contestants get praised by the judges. Even if I don't agree.

Can the twins get advice on lipstick color for themselves from the "experts" please?

Kenya reacting multiple times to the Twin Tornado in the sewing room made me laugh. 

[pally]

I'm sick and tired of designers who claim to design for the "ordinary" woman freaking out because they have a model with hips and breasts.  
Aaron's outfit was quite possibly the worst ever on the show

[Surrealist]

10 minutes ago, agirlreading said:

Oh my god, I don't understand how Brandon's outfit won. There were at least 3 other garments that were so much better. I'm calling BS that ANY of those women who claimed to like his outfit, would ever wear that out in public- or even want to be stuck in that costume on their show. I appreciate that he was trying to go for something different, but there's a way to do that without just putting different colored bags over women. I don't understand the love fest that's been going on with his looks all season.  They often talk about wanting to see more from a designer, but Brandon is one designer I have no interest in see more from. I just know it's going to be a boring, long, weirdly constructed pajama shirt in some hideous, yet dull color or print. It's insulting to me that he wins with that garbage over actual beautifully constructed garments. The only good thing I can say is at least he seems like a nice guy.

I agree that Brandon seems like a nice guy. I thought that Batani's and Margarita's outfits should have been at the top. I also thought that Kentaro's was cool, but I'm into the minimalist look anyway. Michael's model sold his look because she liked it a lot. I thought his dress looked a bit matronly. Brandon's one note and I wouldn't wear anything he's made. Perhaps he'll step up his game. I don't buy that his looks are better than a few of the other designers'.

[Snickerdoodle]

I can't believe Brandon won.  The sleeves?  The whole thing reminded me of the shirt Denise makes Theo on the Cosby show.  I didn't like it at all.

 

Aaron's...oh my. I thought it looked like streamers. With my very limited sewing ability, I tend to judge by "I can sew that."  That's what I thought about Aaron's...I could sew that, and that's not good. 

 

I wasnt that that impressed with Kenya's but it was constructed very well.

 

i didn't think Claire's was that bad.  It wasn't interesting, but it wasn't awful  

 

i really liked Michael's and thought he should have won. 

[Yokosmom]

I didn't hate Brandon's look--I simply don't understand it at all. The judges should have also pointed out that he makes the same cropped top over and over again too.

Claire looked like she could cut a bitch on the runway during her critique. One of the highlights of the episode, really.

So glad that Kenya bounced back.

i used to think that Shawn was the least talented of the twins, but apparently I was mistaken. 

My question is, why hasn't anyone openly confronted the twins on their behavior in the workroom? A simple request for them to use  their "indoor voice" would be a start. 

[jackjill89]

I really like Brandon. He works hard, he's humble and his garments, while not my taste, are original. I think he'll do some great things when he pushes himself out of his comfort zone. 

Kenya's outfit was so cool. I really loved it. Loved Michael's dress too. His model looked beautiful in it. 

The twins just need to go...stat. I'm hoping the cheating drama involves them. I vacillate between who I can't stand more each week. Claire won this week -- "I will not thank them" She should. Her garment sucked and she's too narcissistic to understand that. She's one of those people who will never grow because she thinks she knows it all.  -- And I hate the visor. (Just had to throw that in!) She's got a really good stink eye though. That made me laugh. Otherwise, I just want to punt her into tomorrow. 

My son, who doesn't even watch the show, saw Margarita on the phone and said, "well you know who's going home this week!" They did fake us out this time.

Edited September 15, 2017 by jackjill89

[Jordan Baker]

18 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

I have seen every episode of this show and Aaron's garment is top 5 worst things that have appeared. Yeesh.

I stopped watching for a few seasons (after the wretched Gretchen win), but Aaron's look is possibly the worst I've ever seen. I honestly can't think of a look that was so poorly made. It was falling off the model. And it was ugly.

I'd have chosen Michael's look for the win.

I love the Brothers. So cute.

[Nidratime]

It was pretty clear Aaron was going to go this week. His look was a disaster. I would've preferred seeing the last of Claire, but I dislike Shawn even more, since I think she relies on Claire too much.

As for the good, I would've preferred Kenya for the win. Her look was "evil" without being literal or impractical. Michael's look was way too literal for me, like a costume, and Brandon's was totally impractical. What woman wouldn't have problems with side boobage with that outfit shifting on her body as she walked. And the cuffs were so long you couldn't see her hands! How was she suppose to function. He must be "high fashion" because a real woman couldn't eat, pick up anything, or check her watch in that outfit.

[dosodog]

I liked Brandon's,  but the sleeves were completely impractical.  

Kenya was my pick for the win.  It was gorgeous.  So beautiful.  And the crotch was not jocked up.

Aaron.  Loose threads, top falling down, weird streamers, the zipper.  Has there ever been a worst outfit?

Still think Kentaro is human sunshine.  Adore him!

I do not get Amy's design.  Bleh. 

For the record Margarita.  Fat girls want to look beautiful too.  If you're truly a designer, you can figure it out.  That whole whine made me give her side eye.

Edited September 15, 2017 by dosodog

[Surrealist]

2 minutes ago, Yokosmom said:

i used to think that Shawn was the least talented of the twins, but apparently I was mistaken. 

I thought the same. Frankly, I think they both need each other's presence, or the quality of their work dips even further.

3 minutes ago, jackjill89 said:

My son, who doesn't even watch the show, saw Margarita on the phone and said, "well you know who's going home this week!" They did fake us out this time.

I said the same thing to the TV. Too many talking heads early in an episode is a bad sign. I was glad it was a fake out.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Surrealist

[farmgal4]

I will be praying to the runway gods that Claire the C U Next Tuesday goes home next week.  I just can't with that bitch.

[Yokosmom]

Forgot to add that Heidi's remarks to Kenya on the runway were a bit sadistic--poor woman though that she was about to be savaged in the critique.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Yokosmom

[CherryMalotte]

Oh man...to me it was just a 'move it forward' kinda challenge and episode, with the flashes of brilliance with Kenya, Michael, and Brandon, which were a very deserved top three, and really both twins should have been bottom because both are a rehash of what they've done before...there is zippo creativity.  At least with Brandon it's not something you've seen every day of the week, and he does seem to listen to the judges, I think we'll see him switch it up some more...hopefully.

Oh holy shit...those twins.  That thin barely composed bitchface that Claire had?  Oh honey you can't hide the boiling nasty that's just barely got the lid on, she's really seething.  And there's nothing outstanding being designed or sewn here, neither has shown me anything that I have liked.  I'm getting the feeling that something besides the cheating accusation is going to spill over here with these two, I may be wrong, it's just a feeling but I picked up on the comment that Claire made coming back to the waiting room sofa when she wasn't aufed, about sending the strips of fabric down the runway, or something to that effect.  Yeah, Aaron's outfit is making one of the top ten worst designs of all time on PR history, but Christ on a cracker keep your effing trap shut.  I don't think we are getting half the edit of what happens in the workroom with these two, and after 16 seasons in I can smell the editing monkeys a mile off.  If they do a reunion after this is all over and these two don't get chased with torches and pitchforks, I'll be really surprised.

Edited September 15, 2017 by CherryMalotte

[Nordly Beaumont]

8 minutes ago, dosodog said:

Aaron.  Loose threads, top falling down, weird streamers, the zipper.  Has there ever been a worst outfit?

The only ones I can think of are Blaine with his body stocking that pooped fabric and Wendy Pepper's candy body art. Nope. I'm wrong. Aaron's was worse.

 

8 minutes ago, dosodog said:

I liked Brandon's,  but the sleeves were completely impractical.

See, this is what I like about Brandon's stuff. It's runway, not every day. Margerita was freaking out because she "makes clothes that make women feel awesome!" - well, that's great and all - but there's nothing wrong with designing for the runway when you're on a show called "Project Runway"!

Edited September 15, 2017 by Nordly Beaumont

[farmgal4]

3 minutes ago, dosodog said:

I liked Brandon's,  but the sleeves were completely impractical.  

Kenya was my pick for the win.  It was gorgeous.  So beautiful.  And the crotch was not jocked up.

Aaron.  Loose threads, top falling down, weird streamers, the zipper.  Has there ever been a worst outfit?

Still think Kentaro is human sunshine.  Adore him!

I do not get Amy's design.  Bleh. 

Kenya should have won.  The rag that Aaron sent down the runway takes Grand Prize for the Worst Outfit Ever.  I've watched this show since Day 1, and it's the worst one I've seen.  He should be hiding his face in shame.

[gingerormaryann]

Magnificent job by Brandon.  Everyone else went for a completely cliche good/evil but as the young actress pointed out, he made something for a Disney street heroine.  I thought it was an interesting feminine take on a white shirt and tie with the skirt approximating the fabric of the tie.  Side boob or no side boob, if Disney had an Urban Fairy tale and the actress came onscreen wearing this, you'd know immediately she was the good girl.

 

Aaron's work was so bad that Nina didn't even judge him as a designer.  Everyone hates the twins but this auf was obvious the second it appeared.

[notcreative enough]

Do you know what absolutely love. Hearing the twins crap on other designers looks and those same looks being in the top. It's even sweeter when one of them is in the bottom. Claire looked livid during her critic like she was doing to go crazy on those Disney kids.

[BloggerAloud]

If I was one of the designers and heard it was going to be a Two Day challenge, I would've been preparing myself for the usual inevitable twist so I feel like some people never fully committed to the idea of having two days to work on their outfits because they were waiting for usually inevitable twist that, for once, didn't show up.

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See, this is what I like about Brandon's stuff. It's runway, not every day. Margerita was freaking out because she "makes clothes that make women feel awesome!" - well, that's great and all - but there's nothing wrong with designing for the runway when you're on a show called "Project Runway"!

I don't mind the impracticality either. The problem with Project Runway is that it's never been able to figure out what it is because vacillates between ready to wear and runway depending on how much they respond to the outfit/designer so you never know what is going to be dinged. 

Edited September 15, 2017 by BloggerAloud

[roctavia]

I definitely agree with the Auf this week, no question. And I think Claire's was so boring it belonged in the bottom. I didn't hate the other bottom look as much, and though it could have had some potential, but the construction was overworked. Either way, I'm glad she didn't get kicked out over Aaron's mess.

 

I liked the top looks though I wouldn't have chosen Brandon as the winner, it was too much like his outfit last week and while it was 'high fashion' I guess? I didn't get the good/evil theme with it. I loved Kenya's outfit and probably would have chosen her as the winner. The other top dress was also great, though I think the fabric was doing a lot of the work. It definitely had the drama down, and the feather use was spot on.

I wanted to see the other black dress in the top- with the feathers at the shoulder and the slit, showing off the model's shape. I would have liked a closer look at that dress.

Shawns half dress half shorts or whatever didn't work for me.  I do think most of the other looks all belonged near the top, it was a fun challenge this week.

 

I agree that it was hilarious to watch the twins talking head bitch about other looks being bad and then they end up in the top... ha ha ha

[dosodog]

4 minutes ago, Nordly Beaumont said:

The only ones I can think of are Blaine with his body stocking that pooped fabric and Wendy Pepper's candy body art. Nope. I'm wrong. Aaron's was worse.

 

See, this is what I like about Brandon's stuff. It's runway, not every day. Margerita was freaking out because she "makes clothes that make women feel awesome!" - well, that's great and all - but there's nothing wrong with designing for the runway when you're on a show called "Project Runway"!

Thank you!  I was so ticked at Margarita that I kind of blacked out on what it was that annoyed me so and you helped me focus on what it was.

At one point I felt she was upset about the challenge idea itself-not really real world clothes.  But she began including never designing clothes for larger woman and she wants to make clothes to make women feel awesome. 

And suddenly. It felt like a plus size gal was an obstacle to making awesome clothes.

I'm going to have to watch again to see if I was projecting and or overly sensitive. 

[Beaner]

I loved the top 3 looks, but I would have gone with Kenya, Kentaro, and Margarita, especially Kentaro. That was just beautiful in every way. Unique, perfectly constructed, and the fabric was gorgeous.

I kind of get the impression that the twins have never been trained to design. They know how to make shorts. They're bluffing their way as they go. They throw these garments together like throwing spaghetti against the wall and see what works. They're not only horrid but horribly untalented.

[milner]

I don't think either of the twins are truly interested in being a designer nor are they good at construction. I think they are strictly about the exposure. Watch for them to show up on Amazing Race, Survivor. Big Brother , or some cooking or Reno show. I know I have said that before. But I believe it to be what they are up to with all their schtick .

[Luciano]

I really liked Margarita's - the model had told Tim that she always feels covered up out there  and Margarita puts her in a dress that makes her into a total bombshell. I preferred that one over Michael's. I did like the sleeves on Brandon's top - not as something I would wear (looks like it would be really annoying), but as runway fashion. 

The twins would drive me insane. It's like they're acting out in their own melodramatic play in their corner whenever they hit a design snag.

From the recap:

I love that bib on Kenya's so much, even though I could never wear it -- I would look like a ship entering port

LOL.

[rustyspigot]

Design twin powers activate! If you don't have an original idea run around and scream and criticize others.

[agirlreading]

32 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

I agree that Brandon seems like a nice guy. I thought that Batani's and Margarita's outfits should have been at the top. I also thought that Kentaro's was cool, but I'm into the minimalist look anyway. Michael's model sold his look because she liked it a lot. I thought his dress looked a bit matronly. Brandon's one note and I wouldn't wear anything he's made. Perhaps he'll step up his game. I don't buy that his looks are better than a few of the other designers'.

Yes, those were the other 3 picks of mine! I actually really liked Michael's look though, It actually looked great on his model and it was beautiful; once I saw it on her I didn't get the matronly vibe.

31 minutes ago, Snickerdoodle said:

I can't believe Brandon won.  The sleeves?  The whole thing reminded me of the shirt Denise makes Theo on the Cosby show.  I didn't like it at all.

Aaaah, YES, LOL! And then didn't his friends all end up thinking it looked cool? What a perfect comparison. :)

28 minutes ago, dosodog said:

I liked Brandon's,  but the sleeves were completely impractical.  

Still think Kentaro is human sunshine.  Adore him!

I do not get Amy's design.  Bleh. 

I didn't have an issue with the impracticality; a lot of fashion is impractical, particularly on the runway. I had an issue with it being so ugly. 

Kentaro is so unexpected. He was so quiet at first and I thought he had no personality, but he's so funny and friendly, a delight. And I've quite liked most of his designs. 

I think Amy got lucky there were so many other bad ones, because I thought it was pretty ugly. I feel like she's always trying to do too much with her looks and while sometimes it's interesting, it's never beautiful. That pink dress is so expected for the "good" girl except that it was poorly made. The colors on the cape didn't go with it at all. I didn't have an issue with the cape, but it was nothing special. 

[Fostersmom]

Too bad Aaron didn't put even a fraction of the effort he puts into his personal special snowflake outfits into designing for his models. 

I'm loving Brandon and Kentaro and their brotherhood is making me love them even more. 

[HunterHunted]

47 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Kenya should have won.  The rag that Aaron sent down the runway takes Grand Prize for the Worst Outfit Ever.  I've watched this show since Day 1, and it's the worst one I've seen.  He should be hiding his face in shame.

I would have given Kenya the win too. Michael's was a bit matronly and definitely costumey. I liked Brandon's look, but he's been making really similar menswear looks. I would have put him in the top with the same admonition the judges gave him.

A note to Heidi, Kenya's outfit looked like thousands because it is worth at least a thousand bucks if sold retail. It was $300 in material + Kenya's labor + covering the store's costs = $1000.

I thought Margarita's was costumey too. Or maybe I hate feathers. I liked Amy's Erte inspired coat, but the dress underneath was a throwaway. I wish Ayana would stop putting head scarves on every outfit. I'm not confused as to whether an outfit is modest if there isn't a head scarf.

Samantha's fabric looked like it came from the Free People reject pile.

Aaron knew he was gone because that was hideous.

1 hour ago, pheebs said:

Okay - now it's official. Claire is the absolute worst. "I'm not going to...grovel...and say, "Oh, thankyouthankyouthankyou, you know, I'll do better next week. I don't believe I deserved to be there in the first place."

Wanker.

A thank you is not groveling. Claire is an entitled imbecile.

I'm guessing that there is a 51% rule in terms of garment construction.

Edited September 15, 2017 by HunterHunted