Joe & Kendra: Looking Forward To Side Hugs

[MsJamieDornan]

I think Kendra has cleaned Joe up very well.

[cmr2014]

19 hours ago, ginger90 said:

 

I have to say that I think this is an awful picture of what is usually an attractive young family.

Joe looks disheveled. Kendra usually does a good job of making sure that her family is put together well, and I think it's just an awkward picture. Whatever is going on with Joe's pants doesn't need to be shared.

Joe's hold on his daughter is awkward, and Kendra's hold on her son is awkward, too.

While this is slightly better than the super-awkward head-to-toe photos that the Duggars normally take, we're once again subjected to too much torso.

It's simply a poorly composed photo and, since they're free, I don't understand why they didn't take another. It's not the worst photo I ever saw, but we no longer take photos with film and have to wait until they're developed before we discover that they suck. There was absolutely no reason not to take another photo that was more flattering.

[Totally]

What’s wrong with the skirt?

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Totally said:

What’s wrong with the skirt?

IMO it doesn't fit, is wrinkled, looks poorly made (the front middle panel appears to be a different shade of black) and is frumpy.

I'm guessing being tired and overwhelmed with two babies and a postpartum body limits her choices, but Kendra usually dresses more sharply than that.

[MsJamieDornan]

49 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

IMO it doesn't fit, is wrinkled, looks poorly made (the front middle panel appears to be a different shade of black) and is frumpy.

I would rather look at Kendra's skirt than look at the filthy looking skirt that Joy wears continuously.

[Tikichick]

I have two now grown daughters and held them and plenty of other babies the way Kendra and Joe are holding their little ones in the photo.  I had no idea it was awkward.

[Barb23]

4 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said:

I would rather look at Kendra's skirt than look at the filthy looking skirt that Joy wears continuously.

I agree.  I also like the more formal looking Christmas card picture of Joe's family rather than the Forsyth's very  casual look of theirs.  

[JustRosie]

No Duggar should attempt anything formal or official. It isn’t how they roll. It just isn’t. 

[galaxychaser]

I think it’s a nice picture. I hope they have boy/girl twins in 2021! 

[JoanArc]

Lovely....

 

[galaxygirl76]

Oh bother....

[Future Cat Lady]

Not very surprising.

[galaxychaser]

I am speechless that people don’t vaccinate their kids. Guess if he dies it will be #Godpleaseraisemykidfromthedead on SM. 
Idiots.

Edited December 31, 2019 by galaxychaser

[Chicklet]

This surprises how many people?  Idiots have no idea they are playing Russian roulette with children's lives.

I caught pertussis from an infant and holy crap I have never been so sick for 2 months. And now I have asthma. Thanks idiot people.

There was an anti-vaxxer who's SEVEN kids caught pertussis and now she's seen the error of her ways. Sad that it took SEVEN kids getting sick to get her attention.

ETA- if people are around infants or have pregnant loved ones, get your TDAP updated ASAP. It's not worth the risk.

Edited December 30, 2019 by Chicklet

[Totally]

I don’t understand antivaxers

[JustRosie]

21 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

I am speechless that people don’t vaccinate their kids. Guess if he dies it will be #Godpleaseraisemykidfromthedwad on SM. 
Idiots.

Yes, and #itwasgodswill

Pretty sure god wants parents to make proactive medical decisions for their children. 

The lack of vaccinations pretty much confirms that these kids will never see the inside of a regular school. Not that there was much chance of that happening anyway. 

[Lunera]

She made an update and wrote:

"I believe he is doing so well because of the Lord who hears the prayer of his people."

You sure it wasn't all the great staff at Children's hospital? Why even take him if prayer was going to heal him? 

Abbie's mom is also an antivax nut.

[wilsie]

3 minutes ago, Lunera said:

She made an update and wrote:

"I believe he is doing so well because of the Lord who hears the prayer of his people."

You sure it wasn't all the great staff at Children's hospital? Why even take him if prayer was going to heal him? 

Abbie's mom is also an antivax nut.

These people infuriate me.  All of them idiots.  

[wilsie]

                            I guess they haven't made the connection that their unvaccinated child is in the hospital with respiratory and ear infections.  

[emma675]

If "it was torture for this momma" to watch her sick, unvaccinated, crying child get an i.v., then put the damn camera down and comfort him, you stupid bitch. Sorry, I get irrationally rage-y when women post pics and videos of stuff like this. Comfort your children, don't stand there pointing a phone at them.

[galaxychaser]

I wonder how many of the moms who are anti vaccination are vaccinated themselves.

It makes no sense to me to allow your kid to be allowed to get measles, mumps etc. It might kill them or me. 
 

Edited December 31, 2019 by galaxychaser

[galaxygirl76]

12 minutes ago, wilsie said:

                            I guess they haven't made the connection that their unvaccinated child is in the hospital with respiratory and ear infections.  

They never do. Is this the same kid that was in the hospital a few weeks ago?

[Zella]

I'm not a parent, but I don't know that anything makes me madder than anti-vax morons. I used to work with some, and I was astonished at their ignorance and how they clung to it, regardless of the facts. 

People who take videos/pictures of their kid suffering in the hospital is a pretty close second to pissing me off. 😞 

[Sew Sumi]

13 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

They never do. Is this the same kid that was in the hospital a few weeks ago?

No, that was Sierra's (unvaxxed) kid.

Edited December 31, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[Jenniferbug]

Dear Mrs Caldwell, 

Know what else is scary? Measles. Polio. Pertussis. That's why we have vaccines for them. 

[Love2dance]

26 minutes ago, Jenniferbug said:

Dear Mrs Caldwell, 

Know what else is scary? Measles. Polio. Pertussis. That's why we have vaccines for them. 

One of my best friend’s perfectly healthy child died of chicken pox. It overwhelmed her organs. This was just before the vaccine came out and was tragic. 

[Jenniferbug]

19 minutes ago, Love2dance said:

One of my best friend’s perfectly healthy child died of chicken pox. It overwhelmed her organs. This was just before the vaccine came out and was tragic. 

I'm so sorry to hear this. Chicken pox ran through my elementary school back in the early 90s before the vaccine. I had it and was fine, but my neighbor boy had a terrible case and somehow ended up on his brain stem (I may be misremembering- I was pretty young). He recovered with no long term issues, but it was literally months of recovery. Even though he was eventually fine, I learned that even the "harmless" illnesses can easily turn deadly. I'm so glad there is a vaccine for it now. It scares me how quickly this anti vax movement has gained momentum. 

[Gemma Violet]

It infuriates me that Jenny McCarthy has had no career blowback for the misinformation she's spewed for years.  Today she's a judge on The Masked Singer.  Drives me nuts.

[riverblue22]

I just heard on the news this evening that the recent measles outbreaks have killed more than 80 people in Hawaii.  And yes, I think most of these anti-vaxxers have had all the vaccinations themselves.

[Libby96]

So these people are not only going to have tons of kids, they are going to have tons of unvaccinated kids.  Lovely.  More people to screw up the herd immunity.

So, having to see her child sick and miserable in the hospital only reinforces Mrs. Caldwell’s belief in a behavior that increases her children’s odds of becoming sick and miserable.  And if she only wants to subject her own kids to her stupidity it’s one thing, but she is willing to gamble on that for other people’s children.

I wonder if they would feel the same if they could really process the fact that only about 100 years ago, half of children didn’t make it to their fifth birthday.

 

 

 

[andromeda331]

3 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

I wonder how many of the moms who are anti vaccination are vaccinated themselves.

It makes no sense to me to allow your kid to be allowed to get measles, mumps etc. It might kill them or me. 
 

It makes no sense to me either. Don't you want less health problems to worry about your kid getting? 

[Madtown]

As my MIL says..."If any of these anti-vaxers knew what it was like for people with polio and  died of polio, they would think different. If they knew what it was like when the polio vaccine came out and people ran and waited days to get it and would do anything to get it, they might think different."

I know several parents who haven't vaccinated their kids and wonder why they are always sick with something. I'm waiting for one of them to get the measles or chicken pox and see how that goes for them.

[GeeGolly]

Is Isaiah the one who had a bump on his back that they prayed away? No mention of going to the pediatrician first. They must use the ED for healthcare like the Bates.

[GeeGolly]

Boats, helicopters, vaccines - God's shaking his head.

[wait.what]

If their children don’t NEED vaccines, then why do they take their children to the hospital when they get sick? 
 

shouldn’t their “strong, natural, immune system” be able to handle anything?

 

[3 is enough]

My daughter is an infectious disease doctor.  She has lots of horrific stories about people who have contracted preventable diseases.  She has no patience for anti-vaxxers, although she grudgingly admits that they give her job security.

She recently spent a month at a children's hospital and I got lots of texts about "fucking morons" who refused to vaccinate their children.

Edited December 31, 2019 by 3 is enough

[xwordfanatik]

1 hour ago, wait.what said:

If their children don’t NEED vaccines, then why do they take their children to the hospital when they get sick? 
 

shouldn’t their “strong, natural, immune system” be able to handle anything?

 

And shouldn't prayers heal everything?  

 

1 hour ago, 3 is enough said:

My daughter is an infectious disease doctor.  She has lots of horrific stories about people who have contracted preventable diseases.  She has no patience for anti-vaxxers, although she grudgingly admits that they give her job security.

She recently spent a month at a children's hospital and I got lots of texts about "fucking morons" who refused to vaccinate their children.

That must be so frustrating.  One can't fix stupid, it seems.

Don't these fundies have to be vaccinated if they travel?  I suppose it depends on the country they're going to, for their "mission trips" (vacations.)

[sleepysuzy]

Although the Caldwells are openly anti-vax, I don't believe the Duggars are on that particular bandwagon. I work in Christian education, and very few families in these schools are actually anti-vax. Most believe in using modern medicine, although Gardasil is still controversial. I myself am on board with all vaccinations. 

I hope that Joe and JD, as the "headships", follow JB's lead on this and vaccinate their children. 

[Zella]

20 minutes ago, sleepysuzy said:

Although the Caldwells are openly anti-vax, I don't believe the Duggars are on that particular bandwagon. I work in Christian education, and very few families in these schools are actually anti-vax. Most believe in using modern medicine, although Gardasil is still controversial. I myself am on board with all vaccinations. 

I hope that Joe and JD, as the "headships", follow JB's lead on this and vaccinate their children. 

In my experience, Christians who send their kids to private school are much less likely to be anti-vax than fundamentalists who homeschool simply because they are much less militant in general. I know lots of Christians who vaccinate their kids, and I know lots of homeschoolers who vaccinate their kids. But every single anti-vaxxer I know is a Christian homeschooler. 

I have never seen anything about the Duggars and vaccinations, so you might be right that the Duggars don't feel that way. With their attitude toward basic healthcare during pregnancy, though, I have my doubts. 

[3 is enough]

I have a vague recollection of Michelle talking about how important it was for "miracle baby" Josie to have all of her vaccinations because she was so vulnerable.  Anyone else remember this?

 

[Sew Sumi]

1 minute ago, 3 is enough said:

I have a vague recollection of Michelle talking about how important it was for "miracle baby" Josie to have all of her vaccinations because she was so vulnerable.  Anyone else remember this?

 

Yes. It's why I think the Duggars also vaccinated all of the kids who lived at home at the time. I have no clue if they kept up with Josie's vaccinations, though.

[Future Cat Lady]

If God is so great, why did the kid get sick in the first place?

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, Future Cat Lady said:

If God is so great, why did the kid get sick in the first place?

And if God heals all, why bother going to the hospital?

[LilJen]

On 12/30/2019 at 7:42 PM, Lunera said:

She made an update and wrote:

"I believe he is doing so well because of the Lord who hears the prayer of his people."

So, anyone who suffers or doesn't get better, God simply doesn't hear or answer the person's prayer? Or they didn't pray hard enough, or they're not holy or godly enough for God to answer their prayer for healing? This kind of bad theology makes me ill.

[Barb23]

On 12/30/2019 at 6:53 PM, Chicklet said:

This surprises how many people?  Idiots have no idea they are playing Russian roulette with children's lives.

I caught pertussis from an infant and holy crap I have never been so sick for 2 months. And now I have asthma. Thanks idiot people.

There was an anti-vaxxer who's SEVEN kids caught pertussis and now she's seen the error of her ways. Sad that it took SEVEN kids getting sick to get her attention.

ETA- if people are around infants or have pregnant loved ones, get your TDAP updated ASAP. It's not worth the risk.

I know of a "nature" family that was antivaxxer until they're toddler son got pertussis & almost died.  He will also have lifetime respiratory problems.  Luckily it scared the parents to have all the children vaccinated. 

On 12/30/2019 at 7:42 PM, Lunera said:

 

Abbie's mom is also an antivax nut.

 I hope Abbie isn't antivax being a nurse.  When my niece was in nursing school she was adamant that her family be all caught up on vaccines, got flu shots, proper bloodwork & their blood pressure  checked.  

On 12/30/2019 at 9:54 PM, Love2dance said:

One of my best friend’s perfectly healthy child died of chicken pox. It overwhelmed her organs. This was just before the vaccine came out and was tragic. 

That is just horrible. 

 

[mynextmistake]

On 12/30/2019 at 4:07 PM, wilsie said:

                            I guess they haven't made the connection that their unvaccinated child is in the hospital with respiratory and ear infections.  

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Poor Isaiah, though. It’s not his fault that his parents are uneducated halfwits.

[Barb23]

Hope the ER docs suggested vaccines but it would end up on deaf ears. 

[crazycatlady58]

Someone on Facebook posted a " Please  vaccinate your children"  meme. I read the comments, I have no idea why I keep doing this it just raises my blood pressure, they were all in agreement except one woman who said the usual.. just poison ect. Someone replied and explained why her child needed this , protects your child and also people who cannot be vaccinated. It was a very respectful reply. Her answer? " I will not set my child on fire to keep your child warm." I have no words.

[Portia]

I'm getting ready to be even more in-your-face with any anti-vaxers unlucky enough to cross my path in 2020. I'm going to find a pic of my late cousin who had polio as a child and have it on my phone, ready to pull up. Her body was so misshapen, in an earlier era someone would have tried to put her in a sideshow. She lived a pretty amazing live--she had a husband, a son, and a successful home business--but she suffered daily pain, and she died too young. Shame on anyone who might play a part in the return of that horrible disease. 

[Chicklet]

47 minutes ago, Portia said:

Shame on anyone who might play a part in the return of that horrible disease. 

But but...God gave us an immune system to save good christians from disease. 

So maybe  "good" christians didn't exist before now, since so many of them died of communicable diseases in the past?