Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[andromeda331]

8 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

because he has gotten away with it before, he figures he will. Daddy will take care of it. 

Exactly. Daddy's always taken care of it and he's always gotten away with it. He has no idea that this time he really is going to jail. The only question is how long. 

[floridamom]

It has been my opinion for a very long time now that Josh does not believe in those platitutes he spouts when it's convenient nor does he believe in his parents' lifestyle. Clearly, he has been trying to privately break away from it. He has an obsession with sex and violence, sadly. He was just going through the motion with Anna all these years. Anna is in denial and lives in her own "God will take care of it all world". Anna, God helps those who help themselves. Anna should have helped herself to her brother's offer to take her in 4 children ago. This shows me that she is still quite the inexperienced little girl she was when she and Josh were engaged. Not equipped in the least to take care of her own life in the real world. Her parents failed her big time all the way around.

[GeeGolly]

I'm not sure Josh thinks he has gotten away with all his sins. He was digging ditches for looking at porn, was sent away for six months after the molestations and did a few months in Fundy camp for Ashley Madison.

Maybe he thinks he'll get a slap on the wrist and go back to Fundy camp this time too, but he must have some idea that this time is different.

I hope Josh is sitting at the Rebers, feeling scared during every boring moment of his days. I hope the fear and anticipation of where he might end up haunts his dreams. And ultimately I hope he spends at least a decade behind bars, shitting in front of guards and smelling the stank of other inmates' waste.

[libgirl2]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I hope Josh is sitting at the Rebers, feeling scared during every boring moment of his days. I hope the fear and anticipation of where he might end up haunts his dreams. And ultimately I hope he spends at least a decade behind bars, shitting in front of guards and smelling the stank of other inmates' waste.

I bet he isn't scared, bored yes, but scared no. This is just an inconvenience for him, a speed bump. Daddy hires the lawyers and they get him to do some Jesus jail time. Then its right back to his "activities". 

[SMama]

1 hour ago, libgirl2 said:

I bet he isn't scared, bored yes, but scared no. This is just an inconvenience for him, a speed bump. Daddy hires the lawyers and they get him to do some Jesus jail time. Then its right back to his "activities". 

Then he’s going to have a spectacular rude awakening. I’m here for all of it.

Edited June 29, 2021 by SMama

[Tabbygirl521]

19 hours ago, Heathen said:

Both. I think some of it is innate. Some of it falls back on his rotten, shit-for-brains parents and their stupid religion. 

I agree he wouldn't have had seven kids if he had a real choice. (Before anyone says it, it's hard AF to leave what you know even if you have an education, support, and a way out. Smuggar had none of them.) Smuggar was visibly disappointed when Ofsmuggar announced M3, and he's basically looked checked out each announcement since then. 

 

I think we can safely say that anyone who takes pleasure in images of children being grievously harmed has MAJOR psychological issues. 

[Kellyee]

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(Before anyone says it, it's hard AF to leave what you know even if you have an education, support, and a way out. Smuggar had none of them.)

I am not in any way excusing what Josh has done, but after the cheating scandal when he lost his job, he was screwed and permanently under Jim Bob's thumb. Once he was back in Arkansas with 4 kids living a warehouse, he had no options but to do what Jim Bob said. Jill escaped because Derrick had an education and was willing to work Grub Hub to get them by. Derrick also has support from his mom and extended family. And once they were out from under Jim Bob's thumb, Jill could make shit-stirring YouTube videos for money.

I don't think Josh has anyone but his siblings who were pissed off that he screwed up their reality show (but they were fine with him molesting his sisters. Digest that shit.), clueless Anna, and "friends" who are all controlled by Jim Bob. None of that justifies child porn, but as far as the living situation, he really had no way out.

 

 

 

 

 

[MargeGunderson]

While I agree that Josh’s upbringing and subsequent marriage and unending parade of children limited his options, I don’t think that leaving his parent’s way of life would have prevented this. It’s pretty clear now that Josh has some sexual fixations that are illegal and immoral. This isn’t garden variety porn or even proclivities that would be foreign to many of us but still acceptable between consenting adults. While his upbringing and belief system probably warped his sense of what was sexually “acceptable” between adults, not even the abhorrent Gothard ideas that abused children are responsible in some way for their abuse could explain in any way what Josh was watching. Leaving his parent’s beliefs and his family would not have prevented this. 

To be clear, I don’t think anyone has suggested that Josh isn’t to blame for his actions. I’m just saying that Josh leaving, whether hard or easy, wouldn’t necessarily mean a different outcome than the one he’s facing now. I think there is something very broken in him that was going to come out no matter what.

[Dianaofthehunt]

Disappointed (and mad) that this ape’s trial has been postponed for three months.
I wonder what his reading material consists of at the Reber house.  Lolita? The weekly church bulletin?

[Heathen]

32 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

While I agree that Josh’s upbringing and subsequent marriage and unending parade of children limited his options, I don’t think that leaving his parent’s way of life would have prevented this. It’s pretty clear now that Josh has some sexual fixations that are illegal and immoral. This isn’t garden variety porn or even proclivities that would be foreign to many of us but still acceptable between consenting adults. While his upbringing and belief system probably warped his sense of what was sexually “acceptable” between adults, not even the abhorrent Gothard ideas that abused children are responsible in some way for their abuse could explain in any way what Josh was watching. Leaving his parent’s beliefs and his family would not have prevented this. 

To be clear, I don’t think anyone has suggested that Josh isn’t to blame for his actions. I’m just saying that Josh leaving, whether hard or easy, wouldn’t necessarily mean a different outcome than the one he’s facing now. I think there is something very broken in him that was going to come out no matter what.

I think if Josh had been raised in a normal environment, there is a chance, however slight, that he might not have acted on his pedophilic urges. When he was first arrested, I read an article that I posted here that discussed pedophiles who don't act on those urges because they know it's wrong. Any chance Smuggar had to be like that kind of pedophile was ruined by his parents and his upbringing. 

It's kind of all a moot point now because he is what he is -- a pedophile who will end up serving hard prison time for CSA. And seven kids who will always be known as the children of the pedophile. Nothing can change those facts. I just hope any parent who might have admired the Duggars' parenting methods does a 180 when they see what those methods helped produce. 

[TheDisneyQueen]

https://www.today.com/parents/counting-cancelled-amidst-josh-duggar-s-child-sex-abuse-scandal-t224160?cid=sm_npd_td_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR2gK4wo27VL92jWattkAYxw8Ve8PQY1rZEn6XwQeg86o_1XYzEEUpMKmgM
 

How soon until he pleads ? The cash cow is over 

 

[iwantcookies]

Yay to quote Jill Duggar

 

Hope this family never appears on TV shows again 

Edited June 29, 2021 by iwantcookies

[auntieminem]

What a day for the Ds, show canceled and the trial rescheduled for Nov. 30.  Jinger's instagram post was good, wonder if those were her words or do they have a publicist?  

[Cinnabon]

9 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

What a day for the Ds, show canceled and the trial rescheduled for Nov. 30.  Jinger's instagram post was good, wonder if those were her words or do they have a publicist?  

Her words? Hahahahahahahaha!

[emmawoodhouse]

Here's the court order for the continuance.

[auntieminem]

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Her words? Hahahahahahahaha!

I know, I wasn't thinking clearly. Jer used the same statement. 

[SMama]

Anna has so much on her plate and now this. I hope she is not blamed for the cancellation. Because of the cult she’s probably feeling guilty.

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, SMama said:

Anna has so much on her plate and now this. I hope she is not blamed for the cancellation. Because of the cult she’s probably feeling guilty.

Well, at best, the entire family is blaming her husband for taking food out of their mouths. 

[BitterApple]

9 minutes ago, SMama said:

Anna has so much on her plate and now this. I hope she is not blamed for the cancellation. Because of the cult she’s probably feeling guilty.

Yeah, I would not want to be Anna right now. Her husband's screwed his family out of their livelihood not once, but twice. She isn't responsible for Josh's actions, but she is 50% responsible for spitting out a litter of kids she can't support. I think there's going to be big time resentment over all the resources being sucked up by Smuggars' family. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Smuggar has until 10/18 to change his plea. So, another date to mark on the calendar. 

[MsJamieDornan]

Does anyone else wonder if Josh is still claiming that someone else was on his computer and that he is innocent ? And some of the family actually believes him ?

[drafan]

2 hours ago, TheDisneyQueen said:

https://www.today.com/parents/counting-cancelled-amidst-josh-duggar-s-child-sex-abuse-scandal-t224160?cid=sm_npd_td_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR2gK4wo27VL92jWattkAYxw8Ve8PQY1rZEn6XwQeg86o_1XYzEEUpMKmgM
 

How soon until he pleads ? The cash cow is over 

 

Hope this doesn't mean there's another incarnation of this called "Continuing On'.

I don't trust TLC.

[Westiepeach]

10 minutes ago, drafan said:

Hope this doesn't mean there's another incarnation of this called "Continuing On'.

I don't trust TLC.

I think TLC is done with the Duggar’s.

[emmawoodhouse]

9 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

I think TLC is done with the Duggar’s.

That slipshod "Easter" special shot in February was an indicator to me that things weren't quite right between the Duggars and TLC. I think TLC waited on the advertisers and probably got bad feedback forcing TLC's hand 

[Zella]

I'm also wondering if there were conversations between TLC and the Duggar camp in the wake of Josh's arrest, and the apparent determination for Josh to go to trial rather than plea out didn't exactly please TLC. Because Josh pleading guilty would be its own little scandal to deal with, but him potentially going to trial and trying to cast suspicion on other people, some of whom may be on the show, and just the sheer amount of nasty details that would come out about Josh and be part of any conversation about the Duggars and the show, that's negative attention that any network is not going to welcome. 

Edited June 30, 2021 by Zella

[anna0852]

Given how little the cult values women, do you think Anna will be thrown out? It's her husband that messed up again. And gotten the show canceled again. In their worldview all this is Anna's fault for not being a good wife and joyfully available. You think Boob might throw her out?

[MargeGunderson]

Just now, anna0852 said:

Given how little the cult values women, do you think Anna will be thrown out? It's her husband that messed up again. And gotten the show canceled again. In their worldview all this is Anna's fault for not being a good wife and joyfully available. You think Boob might throw her out?

 No, I think Boob does love his kids and grandkids, plus there’s no way he could ever talk about forgiveness (in the context of Josh or anyone/thing else) if he tossed out Anna and the kids. He’s smart enough to know how badly that would play out, even among Gothard followers.

[farmgal4]

10 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

I think we can safely say that anyone who takes pleasure in images of children being grievously harmed has MAJOR psychological issues. 

IMO, incurable major psychological issues.  I’ve always believed that there are some people who are just born bad, and I think Smuggar is one of those people.  

[lascuba]

59 minutes ago, drafan said:

Hope this doesn't mean there's another incarnation of this called "Continuing On'.

I don't trust TLC.

This was the first thing to came to mind when I heard the news. Counting down to the day they announce Jill and Derick's new "reality" show, "Breaking Duggar."

[iwantcookies]

So Josh will celebrate thanksgiving at home. How awkward that will be...

 

Anna already lives in a warehouse wonder where Jim will move her next? Tent or a bus? I don’t think he will throw her out but her accommodations/allowance is about to get worse. 
 

Also gives Anna time to get pregnant again...

[Zella]

I don't really think the family is going to punish Anna. I don't think she is especially well liked among them and they aren't the most PR savvy bunch, but I think they are well aware that the optics of kicking a pregnant woman with a horde of small children out of the family is bad optics. 

Also even if they blame Anna for "failing" Josh, she has still upheld her end of their bargain fairly well. She's not only stayed but also attempted to still sell Josh as a wonderful husband and father right up until his latest arrest. I think she's maintained the party line well enough that she's not in any danger of losing her position. 

It probably also wouldn't pay to piss off the Kellers if only because of the TFDW connection. 

Edited June 30, 2021 by Zella

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

I don't really think the family is going to punish Anna. I don't think she is especially well liked among them and they aren't the most PR savvy bunch, but I think they are well aware that the optics of kicking a pregnant woman with a horde of small children out of the family is bad optics. 

Also even if they blame Anna for "failing" Josh, she has still upheld her end of their bargain fairly well. She's not only stayed but also attempted to still sell Josh as a wonderful husband and father right up until his latest arrest. I think she's maintained the party line well enough that she's not in any danger of losing her position. 

Well I hope they set her up in a little house with windows and no loading dock. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

Well I hope they set her up in a little house with windows and no loading dock. 

My guess would be she doesn't get upgraded digs but she also doesn't get evicted from the warehouse that looks like a serial killer's recreational facility. 

[emmawoodhouse]

43 minutes ago, Zella said:

It probably also wouldn't pay to piss off the Kellers because of the TFDW connection. 

Based on what Pa Keller divulged about his son David ministering to a "hurting" relative in Arkansas earlier this month, it's clear that the Kellers stand behind Smuggar. Anna won't be pissing anyone off anytime soon. She's right where both families want her. And as stupid as Anna seems, it's where she wants to be.

Edited June 30, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[SMama]

24 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

So Josh will celebrate thanksgiving at home. How awkward that will be...

 

Anna already lives in a warehouse wonder where Jim will move her next? Tent or a bus? I don’t think he will throw her out but her accommodations/allowance is about to get worse. 
 

Also gives Anna time to get pregnant again...

Josh will be spending Thanksgiving with with the Rebers.  I hope they don’t have minors as family they would like to have over. What an imposition while JB stuffs his donkey face with his family.

I hope Anna is not once again relegated to the girls’ dorm.

[xwordfanatik]

OK, I have to ask:  how did the name VolderJosh come to be?

I hope TV is done with the whole bunch.

 

[iwantcookies]

3 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

OK, I have to ask:  how did the name VolderJosh come to be?

I hope TV is done with the whole bunch.

 

Voldemort from Harry Potter would be my guess

[xwordfanatik]

3 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

Voldemort from Harry Potter would be my guess

Ah, OK.  I never got into the Harry Pothead thing, so that makes sense!  

[quarks]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

That slipshod "Easter" special shot in February was an indicator to me that things weren't quite right between the Duggars and TLC. I think TLC waited on the advertisers and probably got bad feedback forcing TLC's hand 

Answering over in the Media thread.

[Tdoc72]

On 6/26/2021 at 9:32 PM, emmawoodhouse said:

Mack and Michael also went to Texas, accompanied by Pa Keller and David. Pa Keller spoke at Waller's church last Sunday and mentioned the Keller/Reber courtship, although he corrected himself and called it pre-courtship. He said they'd come from Arkansas, where David had ministered to someone who was "hurting." I think we all know to whom he referred.

David’s Instagram handle is DandHKel so that’s sounds more like engagement/marriage to me. Please correct me if I’m wrong and it was always that. I don’t think I’ve ever looked before. 

[Insert Username]

How much do you think his siblings hate Josh? I mean, full on hate him? Not only because what he did (both now and in the past) are so far beyond the bounds. civilized society , but both of their show cancellations are 100% completely due to him and his actions. They may preach forgiveness and publicly proclaim it, but there has to be genuine loathing behind the scenes.

 

 

[ginger90]

4 hours ago, Tdoc72 said:

David’s Instagram handle is DandHKel so that’s sounds more like engagement/marriage to me. Please correct me if I’m wrong and it was always that. I don’t think I’ve ever looked before. 

It was recently changed. I believe it had been his name, followed by a couple of numbers.

 

ETA: I just saw an article that had a picture from a post of his prior to the change. It was davidkeller516.

Edited June 30, 2021 by ginger90

[GeeGolly]

48 minutes ago, Insert Username said:

How much do you think his siblings hate Josh? I mean, full on hate him? Not only because what he did (both now and in the past) are so far beyond the bounds. civilized society , but both of their show cancellations are 100% completely due to him and his actions. They may preach forgiveness and publicly proclaim it, but there has to be genuine loathing behind the scenes.

I'm guessing at least a few are 'struggling' with deeply hating him.

Even in the real world folks get tired of forgiving the same person over and over again. What's that saying ... Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Some of the siblings may have reached the point of, fool me more than that and you can go fuck yourself.

Edited June 30, 2021 by GeeGolly

[Kellyee]

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How much do you think his siblings hate Josh? I mean, full on hate him? Not only because what he did (both now and in the past) are so far beyond the bounds. civilized society , but both of their show cancellations are 100% completely due to him and his actions. They may preach forgiveness and publicly proclaim it, but there has to be genuine loathing behind the scenes.

Several of them, like Jessa, appear to be completely financially dependent on the show. This is when you're going to see how well these people have planned ahead with money. Several of the husbands have other jobs, but what to Joe, Ben, and Josiah do for money??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BitterApple]

I think all the siblings hate Josh to varying degrees. Even on the original show, they were standoffish towards him, and JD used to pal around with Joe rather than his older brother. The siblings tolerated him because it's what Boob demanded and he controlled the purse strings.

[Absolom]

That old four letter word called work is going to be entering a lot of vocabularies in that family soon.

[WinnieWinkle]

Given what Josh has done this is probably irrelevant now but talking about how many of the siblings must loathe him made me curious - in Duggar world what would happen if JB were to die?  Would Josh (in theory anyway) be elevated to boss of the family status because he is the oldest male?  

[Absolom]

Just now, WinnieWinkle said:

Given what Josh has done this is probably irrelevant now but talking about how many of the siblings must loathe him made me curious - in Duggar world what would happen if JB were to die?  Would Josh (in theory anyway) be elevated to boss of the family status because he is the oldest male? 

Patriarchy aside I don't think Michelle would stand for that.  I think she'd stay in control of finances and the TTH.  I expect there would be a lot of rebellion if Josh tried. 

[Enya Face]

8 hours ago, Tdoc72 said:

David’s Instagram handle is DandHKel so that’s sounds more like engagement/marriage to me. Please correct me if I’m wrong and it was always that. I don’t think I’ve ever looked before. 

All I see in that Instagram handle is “DadandHelenKeller”… it’s too early for this shit lol

[Rootbeer]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

I think all the siblings hate Josh to varying degrees. Even on the original show, they were standoffish towards him, and JD used to pal around with Joe rather than his older brother. The siblings tolerated him because it's what Boob demanded and he controlled the purse strings.

I think he was never popular with them even before the scandals.  He was an arrogant little turd who lorded his status as the Chosen One over them all the time; totally condescending and dismissive towards them.  Then, when the fit hit the shan the first time; Ma and Pa stood by and defended him even to the point of making the hostage video with Megyn Kelly where Jessa and Jill had to pretend that they had suffered no ill effects from the molestation.  Now, it turns out he has done something so heinous, that even Ma and Pa aren't publicly defending him and is probably going to prison for years while the JB and M spend a considerable sum on his defense and to support his wife an kids.  With money that came from the show that his siblings earned but weren't allowed to have.  And will never have again.

I expect Anna will pre-taste Josh' food should he ever attend a meal with the family again.