Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[ginger90]

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Who thinks the Rebers will have no problem breaking the rules? I’m sure their grandchild has been to visit. 
also, what kind of “counsel” could 25 (?) year old Dan Keller offer Josh or Anna????

I don’t believe they have any grandchildren.

[Absolom]

Hopefully Josh will be out of the house before any grandchildren are born.

[andromeda331]

19 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Who thinks the Rebers will have no problem breaking the rules? I’m sure their grandchild has been to visit. 
also, what kind of “counsel” could 25 (?) year old Dan Keller offer Josh or Anna????

I'm sure Josh has been breaking the rules and I really don't trust the Rebers to tell the courts. Their part of the same cult as the Duggars. 

[Temperance]

1 hour ago, Cinnabon said:

Who thinks the Rebers will have no problem breaking the rules? I’m sure their grandchild has been to visit. 
also, what kind of “counsel” could 25 (?) year old Dan Keller offer Josh or Anna????

I'm not aware of any grandchildren for the Rebers. The Rebers have 2 kids, their son who got married in February and their daughter who is engaged. 

Also it was David Keller who's counseling Josh or Anna, not Daniel. Daniel is in his 30s and ex-fundie.

Edited July 16, 2021 by Temperance

[Albanyguy]

38 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

I'm sure Josh has been breaking the rules and I really don't trust the Rebers to tell the courts. Their part of the same cult as the Duggars. 

I have no doubt that Josh is thoroughly enjoying his "vacation" at the Rebers. He doesn't have to go through the motions of working at the car lot and his children aren't constantly underfoot. He can do as he pleases, knowing that the Rebers aren't going to tattle on him. I'm sure that poor Mrs. Reber is waiting on him hand and foot, making his bed and picking his wet towels up off the bathroom floor. When Anna visits, I'm sure she comes bearing shopping bags loaded with candy bars, potato chips and ice cream. And I strongly suspect that he's managed to get his hands on Internet access. 

Of course, anyone with half a gnat's brain would be living in a state of abject terror right now, dreading the certain prospect of conviction and prison. But I think that Josh is living in a state of complete denial, convincing himself that he'll be acquitted or at least let off with a slap on the wrist.

[Cinnabon]

17 minutes ago, Temperance said:

I'm not aware of any grandchildren for the Rebers. The Rebers have 2 kids, their son who got married in February and their daughter who is engaged. 

Also it was David Keller who's counseling Josh or Anna, not Daniel. Daniel is in his 30s and ex-fundie.

David ? How old is he?

[dargosmydaddy]

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

David ? How old is he?

He'll be 23 at the end of the month.

[BigBingerBro]

Josh Duggar Child Pornography Trial Delay Buys Star Time, But How Long Could He Go To Prison For?

[JoanArc]

51 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

I have no doubt that Josh is thoroughly enjoying his "vacation" at the Rebers. He doesn't have to go through the motions of working at the car lot and his children aren't constantly underfoot. He can do as he pleases, knowing that the Rebers aren't going to tattle on him. I'm sure that poor Mrs. Reber is waiting on him hand and foot, making his bed and picking his wet towels up off the bathroom floor. When Anna visits, I'm sure she comes bearing shopping bags loaded with candy bars, potato chips and ice cream. And I strongly suspect that he's managed to get his hands on Internet access. 

Of course, anyone with half a gnat's brain would be living in a state of abject terror right now, dreading the certain prospect of conviction and prison. But I think that Josh is living in a state of complete denial, convincing himself that he'll be acquitted or at least let off with a slap on the wrist.

He also doesn’t have to pretend to love Anna 24/7.  I’m sure he can take it for a few hours. It’s probably a relief to him to be left alone. I wouldn’t be surprised if she has slipped him a cell phone on the sly.

[FizzyPuff]

10 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Today is Meredith’s birthday.

Meredith should’ve been the last kid Josh and Anna had, sorry not sorry. 

[DXD526]

As per the above article, the images Smuggs was arrested for "reportedly depicted children between 18 months and 12 years of age". 

Eighteen months?? This creep just keeps getting revealed to be more of a miscreant with each update. I hope he gets the 40-year max. Sicko. 

[Tabbygirl521]

How do these numbskulls think “non-godly” men manage to get through the day without jumping women left and right? I guess it’s equally sinful just to think about it. Stupid. 

[JoanArc]

32 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

As per the above article, the images Smuggs was arrested for "reportedly depicted children between 18 months and 12 years of age". 

Eighteen months?? This creep just keeps getting revealed to be more of a miscreant with each update. I hope he gets the 40-year max. Sicko. 

 Based on some of the file names that have been released to the public, at least some of these videos were of mothers, or at least women, doing the sexual abuse to children. How Anna can stick around with that knowledge I do not know.

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, dargosmydaddy said:

He'll be 23 at the end of the month.

And what kind of “counsel” could a sheltered 23-year old kid offer Josh?

43 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

As per the above article, the images Smuggs was arrested for "reportedly depicted children between 18 months and 12 years of age". 

Eighteen months?? This creep just keeps getting revealed to be more of a miscreant with each update. I hope he gets the 40-year max. Sicko. 

Yes, it’s one of the worst I’ve ever heard about 🥲 he is deplorable and Anna and all of his family (the adults) should be aware of exactly what he was watching.

[Hpmec]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

 Based on some of the file names that have been released to the public, at least some of these videos were of mothers, or at least women, doing the sexual abuse to children. How Anna can stick around with that knowledge I do not know.

I doubt Anna has any clue about what specifically Josh was looking at and I don't think she wants to know. She's floating along in the state of Denial, just figuring it ish't that bad or it's all a mistake and he'll be home as soon as he's found not guilty. I'm wondering if his attorneys will talk him into taking a plea deal rather than have all of the horrific details of his child porn viewing come out in court. He's screwed either way. 

[Cinnabon]

20 minutes ago, Hpmec said:

I doubt Anna has any clue about what specifically Josh was looking at and I don't think she wants to know. She's floating along in the state of Denial, just figuring it ish't that bad or it's all a mistake and he'll be home as soon as he's found not guilty. I'm wondering if his attorneys will talk him into taking a plea deal rather than have all of the horrific details of his child porn viewing come out in court. He's screwed either way. 

She needs to know the details so she can protect her children.

[emmawoodhouse]

22 minutes ago, Hpmec said:

I doubt Anna has any clue about what specifically Josh was looking at and I don't think she wants to know. She's floating along in the state of Denial, just figuring it ish't that bad or it's all a mistake and he'll be home as soon as he's found not guilty. I'm wondering if his attorneys will talk him into taking a plea deal rather than have all of the horrific details of his child porn viewing come out in court. He's screwed either way. 

But he's INNOCENT!!!!!111 Ex con employee did it! Or Josiah! 

[GeeGolly]

Would the Rebers face any punishment from the court if it was found out they weren't reporting Josh for any misdeeds?

I'll never understand why the judge thinks its okay for Josh to be around his kids. I would have thought they would have at least ordered an evaluation to make sure they weren't harmed by Josh before that was allowed.

Edited July 17, 2021 by GeeGolly

[Zella]

8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Would the Rebers face any punishment from the court if it was found out they weren't reporting Josh for any misdeeds?

I am pretty sure they would face charges if they did that. I can't find anything definitive, but IIRC, some of our lawyers on the board were saying if they were intentionally not reporting him, they would be in trouble (as opposed to him violating rules without their knowledge). 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Zella

[Churchhoney]

18 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

The dinky trailer in a car lot is automotive industry??? Haha snorts haha.

I want to read Joshua’s resume!

Here it is -- 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-duggar-24ab0512/

[Churchhoney]

14 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Who thinks the Rebers will have no problem breaking the rules? I’m sure their grandchild has been to visit. 
also, what kind of “counsel” could 25 (?) year old Dan Keller offer Josh or Anna????

Well, they're in a church universe where teenage boys regularly preach long sermons .... all over the place......I think the idea behind that is probably that a young MAN who's right with Christ will simply have God speaking through him, whenever he turns that spigot on. And by young man, they often seem to mean a boy of 14 onward. So....David Keller qualifies as a grand old man, on that scheme. 

[Churchhoney]

12 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Josh Duggar Child Pornography Trial Delay Buys Star Time, But How Long Could He Go To Prison For?

This "could get 40 years" bullshit that's making the rounds makes me sick. It would take very minimal research to know that that's dead wrong, based on both the federal sentencing guidelines and pretty literally all the precedent here. And I wouldn't be surprised if these "reporters" actually know this but use the 40 years nonsense so they can get their "readers" excited now and outraged later when he gets the totally expected sentence of somewhere between 6 and 11 years. 

 

[merylinkid]

10 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

She needs to know the details so she can protect her children.

She doesn't WANT to know the details.   Because then she would have to acknowledge she married a sick fuck, instead of someone who "sinned."   If she cared one whit about protecting her kids she would have taken the kids and left him after the LAST scandal.

[BigBingerBro]

The YouTube lawyer lady Emily said that the court was very conflicted about letting him see his children, but as long as he wasn't living with them and as long as Anna was present, they didn't think he posed a threat.  Also, had they thought he posed a threat to them from the beginning, he would have been arrested the day of the raid on the car lot.   She said that the kids had not been forensically examinded, but that they probably would be.  There was some concern though that Anna may not allow it.

[GeeGolly]

33 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

The YouTube lawyer lady Emily said that the court was very conflicted about letting him see his children, but as long as he wasn't living with them and as long as Anna was present, they didn't think he posed a threat.  Also, had they thought he posed a threat to them from the beginning, he would have been arrested the day of the raid on the car lot.   She said that the kids had not been forensically examinded, but that they probably would be.  There was some concern though that Anna may not allow it.

That's interesting. I wonder what this Emily person thinks they based the risk, or lack thereof, on? How could they possibly know what Josh was doing in his home?

[BigBingerBro]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

That's interesting. I wonder what this Emily person thinks they based the risk, or lack thereof, on? How could they possibly know what Josh was doing in his home?

I don't know but that was the defense's big argument is that he "stayed out of trouble" since the raid, but yeah how do they know what goes on behind doors?? (not saying he did anything to anyone in his home).  Therefore, keeping him from living with his kids was the best solution I guess.

[ginger90]

51 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Also, had they thought he posed a threat to them from the beginning, he would have been arrested the day of the raid on the car lot

I have to wonder what “from the beginning “ means here.

 

[BigBingerBro]

17 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I have to wonder what “from the beginning “ means here.

 

Maybe a poor choice of words.  What I meant was that if they felt he was a danger to his family or others at the time of the raid, they would have arrested him then and there.  They didn't feel he was a risk to anyone at that time.  (why, I can't say!)

[Zella]

42 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

That's interesting. I wonder what this Emily person thinks they based the risk, or lack thereof, on? How could they possibly know what Josh was doing in his home?

I wonder if she sat in on the Zoom hearing? The Redditor law student who did listed the judge's rather extended reasoning in which she listed a lot of concerns about releasing Josh but ultimately felt the US attorney had not met burden of proof in general for keeping him in jail. 

 

[BigBingerBro]

18 minutes ago, Zella said:

I wonder if she sat in on the Zoom hearing?

She did.  I watched her synopsis of it last night.  Finally had the time.

[galaxygirl76]

14 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

And what kind of “counsel” could a sheltered 23-year old kid offer Josh?

Yes, it’s one of the worst I’ve ever heard about 🥲 he is deplorable and Anna and all of his family (the adults) should be aware of exactly what he was watching.

Like Josh is going to listen to anyone except for potentially Daddy since he's the one with the $$

3 hours ago, merylinkid said:

She doesn't WANT to know the details.   Because then she would have to acknowledge she married a sick fuck, instead of someone who "sinned."   If she cared one whit about protecting her kids she would have taken the kids and left him after the LAST scandal.

I feel Anna is gone full 'lalala can't hear you' .

[Cinnabon]

6 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, they're in a church universe where teenage boys regularly preach long sermons .... all over the place......I think the idea behind that is probably that a young MAN who's right with Christ will simply have God speaking through him, whenever he turns that spigot on. And by young man, they often seem to mean a boy of 14 onward. So....David Keller qualifies as a grand old man, on that scheme. 

Well, I’m sure David turned Josh right around, then! 🤣

[Scarlett45]

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[sue450]

very ironic that when  joshs dad jim bob was running for office one of his platforms was that pedophiles  should get capitol punishment (death sentence)  

[BigBingerBro]

5 minutes ago, sue450 said:

very ironic that when  joshs dad jim bob was running for office one of his platforms was that pedophiles  should get capitol punishment (death sentence)  

And (correct me if I'm wrong) he was running for office around the same time Josh had admitted to the inappropriate touching

[SMama]

6 minutes ago, sue450 said:

very ironic that when  joshs dad jim bob was running for office one of his platforms was that pedophiles  should get capitol punishment (death sentence)  

That punishment is for those who worship the wrong Jesus.

[ginger90]

2 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Hmmmm, no new picture for this year?? are Anna and the kids??

It’s not the Duggar family page. They didn’t post anything for her birthday.

 

 

[BigBingerBro]

Anna Duggar Reportedly Would Consider Divorce From Husband Josh Amid Child Pornography Case

[Bayarea4]

59 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Anna Duggar Reportedly Would Consider Divorce From Husband Josh Amid Child Pornography Case

I can see how Jim Bob might be in favor of this (on the down low, of course). If Anna and Josh divorced, she might then become eligible for welfare, food stamps and Medicaid for herself and the children and thus would take some of the financial pressure off him.

[Cinnabon]

16 minutes ago, Bayarea4 said:

I can see how Jim Bob might be in favor of this (on the down low, of course). If Anna and Josh divorced, she might then become eligible for welfare, food stamps and Medicaid for herself and the children and thus would take some of the financial pressure off him.

She would be eligible even if they didn’t divorce, if Josh was incarcerated and not able to work.

[Bayarea4]

4 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

She would be eligible even if they didn’t divorce, if Josh was incarcerated and not able to work.

That's good to know. I wonder if she is eligible now or whether she'd have to wait until after he is tried, convicted and sent to prison?

[Cinnabon]

23 minutes ago, Bayarea4 said:

That's good to know. I wonder if she is eligible now or whether she'd have to wait until after he is tried, convicted and sent to prison?

She might be. That all depends on how their income and taxes have been reported, etc. Are there any assets in their names?

Edited July 19, 2021 by Cinnabon

[WinnieWinkle]

12 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

She would be eligible even if they didn’t divorce, if Josh was incarcerated and not able to work.

She's probably eligible now if you consider Josh hasn't worked in months - assuming he ever worked and brought in a real income of course.  I can't see the Duggars supporting the idea of her going on public assistance though - they want to give the illusion of wealth and they also want to give the illusion of being a caring family.  That wouldn't really jibe with Anna having to collect money from the government.

[BigBingerBro]

What does the IBLP doctrine say about getting or going on government assistance?  This may be a no no for them.

[JoanArc]

26 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

She's probably eligible now if you consider Josh hasn't worked in months - assuming he ever worked and brought in a real income of course.  I can't see the Duggars supporting the idea of her going on public assistance though - they want to give the illusion of wealth and they also want to give the illusion of being a caring family.  That wouldn't really jibe with Anna having to collect money from the government.

 Isn’t she employed by like five LLCs?  Having all those assets in her name might disqualify her from assistance. Smooth move, Jim Bob. 

[MsJamieDornan]

37 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Isn’t she employed by like five LLCs?  Having all those assets in her name might disqualify her from assistance. Smooth move, Jim Bob.

None of them make any money.

[JoanArc]

24 minutes ago, MsJamieDornan said:

None of them make any money.

Are their taxes public?

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

Isn’t she employed by like five LLCs?  Having all those assets in her name might disqualify her from assistance. Smooth move, Jim Bob. 

That might depending on the value plus the presumed free rent and possibly groceries or clothes would be considered in-kind income and would be counted. 

[MsJamieDornan]

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Are their taxes public?

It has been discussed here at length that most of the LLC's they all have are for tax purposes. It's also not unusual they can show a loss.

[Tabbygirl521]

On 7/17/2021 at 5:45 AM, Churchhoney said:

Here it is -- 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-duggar-24ab0512/

Talk about a downward trajectory. 
 

High school-educated doofus will help you successfully strategize your political campaign. He’s the founder of the company!