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Churchhoney

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7 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

No word either way. They've been mum on the entire topic.

I expect Jer doesn't want to open a can of worms. It's okay with his suckup-ee to support vaccines. But it's not okay to support social distancing and many other public-health actions. 

And his suckup-ee throws people out on their asses for disagreeing with him...

So...better to avoid situations where one comment can lead to other questions and you're led down the road that might Betray the Boss!!!! 

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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

Spencer Hastings
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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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10 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I expect Jer doesn't want to open a can of worms. It's okay with his suckup-ee to support vaccines. But it's not okay to support social distancing and many other public-health actions. 

And his suckup-ee throws people out on their asses for disagreeing with him...

So...better to avoid situations where one comment can lead to other questions and you're led down the road that might Betray the Boss!!!! 

With this in mind, one can assume that everything Jeremy does is for show, with zero conviction behind any of it.  If he is constantly ducking and weaving between making himself look like the rad homie version of Johnny Mac in order to step in and take over, but also towing the company line lest JM decide that Jeremy is not worthy of the many gifts he's been given....I take that to mean that there's not one single thing Jeremy says that I can take as truth.  

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Churchhoney

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33 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

With this in mind, one can assume that everything Jeremy does is for show, with zero conviction behind any of it.  If he is constantly ducking and weaving between making himself look like the rad homie version of Johnny Mac in order to step in and take over, but also towing the company line lest JM decide that Jeremy is not worthy of the many gifts he's been given....I take that to mean that there's not one single thing Jeremy says that I can take as truth.  

Well, that's long been the pattern at the institution -- and it's only getting more so, according to reports. The difference between Jer and most of the other people there is that he talks about himself on social media more than anybody else on the staff seems to.  That opens him up to danger. 

According to numerous ex-employees of JM's enterprises, you can't trust anything anybody on the staff says. Because they're all terrified of accidentally saying something that'll jeopardize their paychecks. 

I would think you'd want to leave a place like this as soon as possible on graduation, especially if you've already been treated like staff and, presumably, have seen this stuff first hand. Makes me wonder if he'll want to stay or not.... 

As in this description -- 

'Though John MacArthur is admired by evangelicals for the influence of his ministry and his adherence to theological fundamentals, former Grace members say the church more resembles a family business presided over by a long-lived patriarch who brooks no opposition to his prerogatives.

'For members who agree with MacArthur’s approach, that arrangement works just fine. For others, the top-down structure creates what Roberto van Dalen, a former Grace Church deacon, called “a toxic church environment” and an “us versus them” leadership culture. Van Dalen said many church members and leaders are afraid to disagree with MacArthur because “if you get blacklisted, you lose everything.”

'Another former member, who asked to be identified only as Gregory, said elders and other church leaders told him they are forbidden from speaking publicly about church affairs without MacArthur’s permission and have been asked to sign non-disclosure agreements as a condition of employment. “They may disapprove of a lot that is going on, but they’re now an older staff who need the job,” Gregory said. “They couldn’t ever risk speaking to someone.”...
 

'MacArthur “does not like anyone telling him what he can or cannot do,” said Dennis Swanson, a former Master’s Seminary administrator who worked for MacArthur for over two decades. Swanson said that in recent years, MacArthur has dedicated himself to “cutting out as much of the outside influence as possible. […] He’s become more insular.”

'Swanson said he was fired in 2015 after warning MacArthur that conflicts of interest and an authoritarian leadership culture at the seminary would cause it to lose accreditation.

'Three years later, the Western Association of Schools and Colleges placed the seminary and a companion university on academic probation, citing lack of accountability in the schools’ leadership and an overall “climate of fear, intimidation, bullying, and uncertainty among significant numbers of faculty and staff.” (The schools were removed from probation last year after MacArthur stepped down as president, but an abrupt leadership shakeup in February suggests that MacArthur is seeking to reassert control and remove the seminary permanently from the accreditation process.)'

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/how-the-pandemic-radicalized-evangelicals/

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laurakaye

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5 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

'Three years later, the Western Association of Schools and Colleges placed the seminary and a companion university on academic probation, citing lack of accountability in the schools’ leadership and an overall “climate of fear, intimidation, bullying, and uncertainty among significant numbers of faculty and staff.” (The schools were removed from probation last year after MacArthur stepped down as president, but an abrupt leadership shakeup in February suggests that MacArthur is seeking to reassert control and remove the seminary permanently from the accreditation process.)'

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/how-the-pandemic-radicalized-evangelicals/

Is this place a seminary or a cult?  Sounds like Jeremy is the David Miscavige to Johhny Mac's L. Ron Hubbard.

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Churchhoney

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14 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Is this place a seminary or a cult?  Sounds like Jeremy is the David Miscavige to Johhny Mac's L. Ron Hubbard.

I think that tends to happen in all kinds of enterprises when you have one really strong character -- especially if that person has been a founding member -- and then he or she gradually accrues more power and success over the years .....And when those people get old, it can really get out of hand because they know that soon they'll lose all power over everything, and they're horrified at the idea of the thing they identify with so closely potentially going a different way without them. So their hold on things tends to get tighter and tighter.

I've been in two different kinds of organizations where that's happened. One a school and the other a publication. And neither had anything of the cult about it in terms of its function or operation or intention -- up to the point that a single very strong individual who'd been a founder became the aging chief. And then, wow.....

I mean, actually cults start a little differently, usually. There, I guess, the strong individual plans from the start to have an atmosphere like this. 

But it can even happen in an organization that wasn't originally set up that way if this sort of dynamic develops over time. I expect that's true of Grace Church, at least. .... Harder to tell about the seminary and the university, since I think MacArthur actually did pretty much start those on his own. 

And I suppose this kind of aging-leader-turned-to-total-autocrat thing might be even worse if it's a person who believes or convinces themselves or even pretends to believe that they're speaking for God and God is on their side....

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9 hours ago, JoanArc said:

I hope these anti-VAX idiots, antimaskers, especially the patriarchs, realize that erectile dysfunction is becoming a huge problem in those that were infected.  Probably scarier to them than death. 

Nature's own way of helping us cut down on that group?  I wonder if we'll start seeing smaller families from that crowd.  

I wonder if Jin and Jer's church is seeing or going to see a wave of Delta roll through their church.   Immunity from last December has probably waned.

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Churchhoney

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18 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Who's gonna take one for the team? It's free! But it's a wasted hour. Decisions, decisions. 😂

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTP7e1lvL81/?utm_medium=copy_link

Yeah, they still haven't found Shelly. 

She's waiting for L. Ron Hubbard to come back. 😁

 

 

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awaken

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Ugh.  These people suck so much. "Church That Defied Gavin Newsom's COVID Rules to Get $800k in Legal Settlement" https://www.newsweek.com/church-that-defied-gavin-newsoms-covid-rules-get-800k-legal-settlement-1624801?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0zNvE8_nq02IsIkLUgZVqMYXjNor_Eo5YERMI8jI9E22LDhUXVE4z2DGo#Echobox=1630484689

Churchhoney

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33 minutes ago, awaken said:

Ugh.  These people suck so much. "Church That Defied Gavin Newsom's COVID Rules to Get $800k in Legal Settlement" https://www.newsweek.com/church-that-defied-gavin-newsoms-covid-rules-get-800k-legal-settlement-1624801?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0zNvE8_nq02IsIkLUgZVqMYXjNor_Eo5YERMI8jI9E22LDhUXVE4z2DGo#Echobox=1630484689

"We know that there is no circumstance that can cause the church to close," MacArthur reportedly wrote in the letter. "The church is not only a building but is the bride of Christ and exists to proclaim the truth."

So, if this is the case, then Johnny M is proclaiming the truth, which means the truth is -- among other annoying things -- this -- (can hardly express how much this pisses me off.)

"Women may be highly gifted teachers and leaders, but those gifts are not to be exercised over men in the services of the church. God has ordained order in His creation, an order that reflects His own nature and that therefore should be reflected in His church. When any part of His order is ignored or rejected, His church is weakened and He is dishonored.

"Just as God’s Spirit cannot be in control where there is confusion and chaos in the church, He cannot be in control where women take upon themselves roles that He has restricted to men. It is improper [aischros, “shameful, disgraceful”] for a woman to speak in church. That statement leaves no question as to its meaning.

"If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home. The implication is present in this statement that certain women were out of order in asking questions in the church service. If they desired to learn, the church was no place for them to express their questions in a disruptive way. Paul also implies, of course, that Christian husbands should be well taught in the Word.

"Many women are tempted to go beyond their biblical roles because of frustration with Christian men, often including their own husbands, who do not responsibly fulfill the leadership assignments God has given them. But God has established the proper order and relationship of male–female roles in the church, and they are not to be transgressed for any reason. For a woman to take on a man’s role because he has neglected it merely compounds the problem. It is not possible for a woman to substitute for a man in such things. God often has led women to do work that men have refused to do, but He does not lead them to accomplish that work through roles He has restricted to men.

"There are times in informal meetings and Bible studies where it is entirely proper for men and women to share equally in exchanging questions and insights. But when the church comes together as a body to worship God, His standards are clear: the role of leadership is reserved for men."

EarlGreyTea

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I'll say it again: no matter what complete nonsense Jinger and Jeremy are on about these days, Jinger really has never looked better. Nice clear skin, fashionable clothes, not allergic to putting her hair up, and she got rid of that Kate Middleton raccoon eyes look. She is far and away the most gorgeous Duggar girl.

I have nothing nice to say about Jeremy.

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13 hours ago, EarlGreyTea said:

I'll say it again: no matter what complete nonsense Jinger and Jeremy are on about these days, Jinger really has never looked better. Nice clear skin, fashionable clothes, not allergic to putting her hair up, and she got rid of that Kate Middleton raccoon eyes look. She is far and away the most gorgeous Duggar girl.

I have nothing nice to say about Jeremy.

Her smugness makes her very unattractive, however, IMHO.

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madpsych78

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On 9/1/2021 at 4:04 PM, Churchhoney said:

"We know that there is no circumstance that can cause the church to close," MacArthur reportedly wrote in the letter. "The church is not only a building but is the bride of Christ and exists to proclaim the truth."

So, if this is the case, then Johnny M is proclaiming the truth, which means the truth is -- among other annoying things -- this -- (can hardly express how much this pisses me off.)

"Women may be highly gifted teachers and leaders, but those gifts are not to be exercised over men in the services of the church. God has ordained order in His creation, an order that reflects His own nature and that therefore should be reflected in His church. When any part of His order is ignored or rejected, His church is weakened and He is dishonored.

"Just as God’s Spirit cannot be in control where there is confusion and chaos in the church, He cannot be in control where women take upon themselves roles that He has restricted to men. It is improper [aischros, “shameful, disgraceful”] for a woman to speak in church. That statement leaves no question as to its meaning.

"If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home. The implication is present in this statement that certain women were out of order in asking questions in the church service. If they desired to learn, the church was no place for them to express their questions in a disruptive way. Paul also implies, of course, that Christian husbands should be well taught in the Word.

"Many women are tempted to go beyond their biblical roles because of frustration with Christian men, often including their own husbands, who do not responsibly fulfill the leadership assignments God has given them. But God has established the proper order and relationship of male–female roles in the church, and they are not to be transgressed for any reason. For a woman to take on a man’s role because he has neglected it merely compounds the problem. It is not possible for a woman to substitute for a man in such things. God often has led women to do work that men have refused to do, but He does not lead them to accomplish that work through roles He has restricted to men.

"There are times in informal meetings and Bible studies where it is entirely proper for men and women to share equally in exchanging questions and insights. But when the church comes together as a body to worship God, His standards are clear: the role of leadership is reserved for men."

Sure, Jan John.

Sure Jan GIF

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Rootbeer

Rootbeer

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

I don't understand the gaping, theatrical expressions either. Just smile and take a normal picture.

I think this sort of stuff happens with people who take multiple photos of themselves and post them online all the time.  They start to think that a normal facial expression is boring and dull and that pulling a face is interesting and dynamic.

For example: Jill Rodrigues, who manages to post dozens of photos of herself almost every day and ends up looking like she stuck her finger in a light socket in half of them.

Another good reason not to take so many selfies.

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Churchhoney

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57 minutes ago, Suzn said:

What does she go out of her way to look insane?  She really is dumb.

I think they probably developed that habit at home. When they were kids, they were probably all relatively droopy in photos. They didn't seem to get enough sleep or even food and while some think they probably had a lovely happy fairly normal childhood, I don't think that's very likely in their cult, in their church, or in their family, in which the parents have screws loose.

But....their parents expected them to shine shine shine in photos! Not droop! Because I Have the Correct Jesus In My Heart! And Because It's Important To Godly Daddy and Mama That I Burnish Their Image With a Big Smile!!! 

And when you aren't producing a lot of natural smiles for the camera, the fallback procedure for most people is to mug. So that's what I think they did. ....

I mean, all the older daughters sometimes make stupid faces of one kind or another for the camera. And i expect the pressure on them to be smiley was the strongest, since males can look strong!!! and important!!! with a non-smiley face. But Females Exist To Make Males Feel Good And Affirm The Heads of Their Household! So they've gotta smile! --- 

Hence, the mugging. 

This is my supposition, anyway. Much of it's based on my own experience. I didn't learn to mug because a stupid mug was considered unacceptable in my family, where TPTB were less stupid and more generally serious than JB and M...... Instead, I learned to create relatively convincing natural-looking fake smiles. .... That's a much more valuable skill going forward than mugging, I think. Hence, Duggar education fails again....😁

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

Just now, Vaysh said:

Those crunchy curls... I mean, I know they were a thing in the early 90's for some reason but this photo was taken in 2011.

Did she have something wrong with a front tooth at the time or is it just a weird angle or the light? It looks grey.

I think you're seeing the top edge of her braces.

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Churchhoney

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20 minutes ago, Vaysh said:

Those crunchy curls... I mean, I know they were a thing in the early 90's for some reason but this photo was taken in 2011.

 

Unfortunately, I'd say that's the Meechelle-, Jim Bob- and Bill Gothard-approved-and-recommended hair "style." 

Growing Up Duggar came out in 2014, and here are all four of the poor things. Crunchy and ridiculous looking as all get-out

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https://www.walmart.com/ip/Growing-Up-Duggar-Hardcover-9781451679168/23780569

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