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4 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I've just read an unconfirmed rumor that Johnny Mac and his wife had Covid in December. Looking for a link...

Found this. He was ill, but the cause was undisclosed.

https://julieroys.com/john-macarthur-returns-to-pulpit-after-apparent-undisclosed-illness/

Yes, that was the gossip going around among the MacArther adjacent people I know in LA.  They mainly aren't church members, but have family who are.   The couple who are church members were quiet in public.   I thought I reported the gossip, but may have forgotten with what we had going on.  

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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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2 hours ago, Absolom said:

Yes, that was the gossip going around among the MacArther adjacent people I know in LA.  They mainly aren't church members, but have family who are.   The couple who are church members were quiet in public.   I thought I reported the gossip, but may have forgotten with what we had going on.  

If you said something back then, I totally missed it. And I would remember something like this idiot getting covid.

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Churchhoney

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56 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I’m surprised they survived it. Probably wouldn’t if it had been delta. 

They're wealthy. And JM was among the people who had a big stake in proving to the world that the disease was NBD. 

So they probably got remdesivir, regeneron and every other expensive treatment as fast as possible. With doctors monitoring them around the clock. 

He'd've moved heaven and earth to avoid succumbing to the thing. And he's got the resources to move 'em, too. 

 

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22 hours ago, Suzn said:

I used to wonder exactly what they meant when they said Jinger was meek.  Apparently what they meant was that she was unformed, incomplete and was to be "finished" to spec by her end user/owner. So the result is this vapid child/woman who performs for her audience and "owner".  By all appearances, she is happy with her situation.  I think Jeremy treats her well by her limited standards and she has that big city life and pretty things she dreamed of.  She is not very smart and may not be the least bit worried about the things that are discussed in depth here.  The end result is a smug, pleased with herself young woman, who will happily go along until Jeremy crashes and burns.

Very true and terribly sad. It’ll be interesting to see how things unfold as the years go by. 

8 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I've just read an unconfirmed rumor that Johnny Mac and his wife had Covid in December. Looking for a link...

Found this. He was ill, but the cause was undisclosed.

https://julieroys.com/john-macarthur-returns-to-pulpit-after-apparent-undisclosed-illness/

I think this goes without saying. Of course he has. 

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JoanArc

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47 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

They're wealthy. And JM was among the people who had a big stake in proving to the world that the disease was NBD. 

So they probably got remdesivir, regeneron and every other expensive treatment as fast as possible. With doctors monitoring them around the clock. 

He'd've moved heaven and earth to avoid succumbing to the thing. And he's got the resources to move 'em, too. 

 

Admittedly, even top-of-the-line care isn’t enough to save many Covid victims lives. He probably just got lucky enough to have a relatively minor case all things considered. He might have been rich enough to be in relatively good health before he contracted it,  like with controlled blood pressure, etc. which definitely affects outcomes. 

 Remember, there are always asymptomatic people too. JM  most likely was not one of them, but they tend to be the biggest jerks about the disease not being real we’re not being that big a deal. 

 Reinfection is a thing, and Delta is still out there. I do wonder what  Johnny’s stance on vaccines is, and if he has had one secretly. 

Regeneron Being a product of abortion just takes the cake with this crowd, too. They take it without a second thought.  Of course, every Covid vaccine does not have any research or products from abortion. 

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Churchhoney

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9 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Admittedly, even top-of-the-line care isn’t enough to save many Covid victims lives. He probably just got lucky enough to have a relatively minor case all things considered. He might have been rich enough to be in relatively good health before he contracted it,  like with controlled blood pressure, etc. which definitely affects outcomes. 

 Remember, there are always asymptomatic people too. JM  most likely was not one of them, but they tend to be the biggest jerks about the disease not being real we’re not being that big a deal. 

 Reinfection is a thing, and Delta is still out there. I do wonder what  Johnny’s stance on vaccines is, and if he has had one secretly. 

Regeneron Being a product of abortion just takes the cake with this crowd, too. They take it without a second thought.  Of course, every Covid vaccine does not have any research or products from abortion. 

He's in favor of vaccines. He's said that from the pulpit. And that's not a change of position, as far as I can tell. I don't think he ever was against them.

His apparent or alleged  Covid bout was December and January. 

The hill he chose to dke  get more famous on was bans on meeting in large groups indoors and social distancing rules. His argument is that because those things are crucial (according to his ilk) to Christian worship, then it's a religious-liberty violation for any government to put bans or requirements in place. You know -- you can go into a liquor store after all to shop....yadda yadda ... 

The day he came back to preach again, he looks pretty Covid-y and he seems to be a bit wander-y in his speech, which is uncharacteristic, but also not surprising if somebody's still recovering from Covid, I'd say. 

It was all around the church and seminary in the winter, so the reason for the rumor is that nobody'd be a bit surprised if he had it. 

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Absolom

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MacArthur was out of preaching for several weeks and reportedly weak and out of breath when he showed up again so I doubt he was asymptomatic.  He may not have been hospitalized, but with the time he was sick and how obvious it was he had been ill, I think it's doctor with a "sort of" celebrity at that age would have hospitalized him if there was any doubt.  

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5 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

He's in favor of vaccines. He's said that from the pulpit. And that's not a change of position, as far as I can tell. I don't think he ever was against them

 Stopped clock. I’ll take it. 

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MacArthur was out of preaching for several weeks and reportedly weak and out of breath when he showed up again so I doubt he was asymptomatic

I hope these anti-VAX idiots, antimaskers, especially the patriarchs, realize that erectile dysfunction is becoming a huge problem in those that were infected.  Probably scarier to them than death. 

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15 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 Stopped clock. I’ll take it. 

I hope these anti-VAX idiots, antimaskers, especially the patriarchs, realize that erectile dysfunction is becoming a huge problem in those that were infected.  Probably scarier to them than death. 

I keep saying we need to put that on billboards!

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36 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 Stopped clock. I’ll take it. 

I hope these anti-VAX idiots, antimaskers, especially the patriarchs, realize that erectile dysfunction is becoming a huge problem in those that were infected.  Probably scarier to them than death. 

And... Pfizer makes Viagra. 🤣

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Churchhoney

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7 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

No word either way. They've been mum on the entire topic.

I expect Jer doesn't want to open a can of worms. It's okay with his suckup-ee to support vaccines. But it's not okay to support social distancing and many other public-health actions. 

And his suckup-ee throws people out on their asses for disagreeing with him...

So...better to avoid situations where one comment can lead to other questions and you're led down the road that might Betray the Boss!!!! 

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10 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I expect Jer doesn't want to open a can of worms. It's okay with his suckup-ee to support vaccines. But it's not okay to support social distancing and many other public-health actions. 

And his suckup-ee throws people out on their asses for disagreeing with him...

So...better to avoid situations where one comment can lead to other questions and you're led down the road that might Betray the Boss!!!! 

With this in mind, one can assume that everything Jeremy does is for show, with zero conviction behind any of it.  If he is constantly ducking and weaving between making himself look like the rad homie version of Johnny Mac in order to step in and take over, but also towing the company line lest JM decide that Jeremy is not worthy of the many gifts he's been given....I take that to mean that there's not one single thing Jeremy says that I can take as truth.  

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Churchhoney

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33 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

With this in mind, one can assume that everything Jeremy does is for show, with zero conviction behind any of it.  If he is constantly ducking and weaving between making himself look like the rad homie version of Johnny Mac in order to step in and take over, but also towing the company line lest JM decide that Jeremy is not worthy of the many gifts he's been given....I take that to mean that there's not one single thing Jeremy says that I can take as truth.  

Well, that's long been the pattern at the institution -- and it's only getting more so, according to reports. The difference between Jer and most of the other people there is that he talks about himself on social media more than anybody else on the staff seems to.  That opens him up to danger. 

According to numerous ex-employees of JM's enterprises, you can't trust anything anybody on the staff says. Because they're all terrified of accidentally saying something that'll jeopardize their paychecks. 

I would think you'd want to leave a place like this as soon as possible on graduation, especially if you've already been treated like staff and, presumably, have seen this stuff first hand. Makes me wonder if he'll want to stay or not.... 

As in this description -- 

'Though John MacArthur is admired by evangelicals for the influence of his ministry and his adherence to theological fundamentals, former Grace members say the church more resembles a family business presided over by a long-lived patriarch who brooks no opposition to his prerogatives.

'For members who agree with MacArthur’s approach, that arrangement works just fine. For others, the top-down structure creates what Roberto van Dalen, a former Grace Church deacon, called “a toxic church environment” and an “us versus them” leadership culture. Van Dalen said many church members and leaders are afraid to disagree with MacArthur because “if you get blacklisted, you lose everything.”

'Another former member, who asked to be identified only as Gregory, said elders and other church leaders told him they are forbidden from speaking publicly about church affairs without MacArthur’s permission and have been asked to sign non-disclosure agreements as a condition of employment. “They may disapprove of a lot that is going on, but they’re now an older staff who need the job,” Gregory said. “They couldn’t ever risk speaking to someone.”...
 

'MacArthur “does not like anyone telling him what he can or cannot do,” said Dennis Swanson, a former Master’s Seminary administrator who worked for MacArthur for over two decades. Swanson said that in recent years, MacArthur has dedicated himself to “cutting out as much of the outside influence as possible. […] He’s become more insular.”

'Swanson said he was fired in 2015 after warning MacArthur that conflicts of interest and an authoritarian leadership culture at the seminary would cause it to lose accreditation.

'Three years later, the Western Association of Schools and Colleges placed the seminary and a companion university on academic probation, citing lack of accountability in the schools’ leadership and an overall “climate of fear, intimidation, bullying, and uncertainty among significant numbers of faculty and staff.” (The schools were removed from probation last year after MacArthur stepped down as president, but an abrupt leadership shakeup in February suggests that MacArthur is seeking to reassert control and remove the seminary permanently from the accreditation process.)'

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/how-the-pandemic-radicalized-evangelicals/

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5 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

'Three years later, the Western Association of Schools and Colleges placed the seminary and a companion university on academic probation, citing lack of accountability in the schools’ leadership and an overall “climate of fear, intimidation, bullying, and uncertainty among significant numbers of faculty and staff.” (The schools were removed from probation last year after MacArthur stepped down as president, but an abrupt leadership shakeup in February suggests that MacArthur is seeking to reassert control and remove the seminary permanently from the accreditation process.)'

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/how-the-pandemic-radicalized-evangelicals/

Is this place a seminary or a cult?  Sounds like Jeremy is the David Miscavige to Johhny Mac's L. Ron Hubbard.

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Churchhoney

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14 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Is this place a seminary or a cult?  Sounds like Jeremy is the David Miscavige to Johhny Mac's L. Ron Hubbard.

I think that tends to happen in all kinds of enterprises when you have one really strong character -- especially if that person has been a founding member -- and then he or she gradually accrues more power and success over the years .....And when those people get old, it can really get out of hand because they know that soon they'll lose all power over everything, and they're horrified at the idea of the thing they identify with so closely potentially going a different way without them. So their hold on things tends to get tighter and tighter.

I've been in two different kinds of organizations where that's happened. One a school and the other a publication. And neither had anything of the cult about it in terms of its function or operation or intention -- up to the point that a single very strong individual who'd been a founder became the aging chief. And then, wow.....

I mean, actually cults start a little differently, usually. There, I guess, the strong individual plans from the start to have an atmosphere like this. 

But it can even happen in an organization that wasn't originally set up that way if this sort of dynamic develops over time. I expect that's true of Grace Church, at least. .... Harder to tell about the seminary and the university, since I think MacArthur actually did pretty much start those on his own. 

And I suppose this kind of aging-leader-turned-to-total-autocrat thing might be even worse if it's a person who believes or convinces themselves or even pretends to believe that they're speaking for God and God is on their side....

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Absolom

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9 hours ago, JoanArc said:

I hope these anti-VAX idiots, antimaskers, especially the patriarchs, realize that erectile dysfunction is becoming a huge problem in those that were infected.  Probably scarier to them than death. 

Nature's own way of helping us cut down on that group?  I wonder if we'll start seeing smaller families from that crowd.  

I wonder if Jin and Jer's church is seeing or going to see a wave of Delta roll through their church.   Immunity from last December has probably waned.

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Churchhoney

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33 minutes ago, awaken said:

Ugh.  These people suck so much. "Church That Defied Gavin Newsom's COVID Rules to Get $800k in Legal Settlement" https://www.newsweek.com/church-that-defied-gavin-newsoms-covid-rules-get-800k-legal-settlement-1624801?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0zNvE8_nq02IsIkLUgZVqMYXjNor_Eo5YERMI8jI9E22LDhUXVE4z2DGo#Echobox=1630484689

"We know that there is no circumstance that can cause the church to close," MacArthur reportedly wrote in the letter. "The church is not only a building but is the bride of Christ and exists to proclaim the truth."

So, if this is the case, then Johnny M is proclaiming the truth, which means the truth is -- among other annoying things -- this -- (can hardly express how much this pisses me off.)

"Women may be highly gifted teachers and leaders, but those gifts are not to be exercised over men in the services of the church. God has ordained order in His creation, an order that reflects His own nature and that therefore should be reflected in His church. When any part of His order is ignored or rejected, His church is weakened and He is dishonored.

"Just as God’s Spirit cannot be in control where there is confusion and chaos in the church, He cannot be in control where women take upon themselves roles that He has restricted to men. It is improper [aischros, “shameful, disgraceful”] for a woman to speak in church. That statement leaves no question as to its meaning.

"If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home. The implication is present in this statement that certain women were out of order in asking questions in the church service. If they desired to learn, the church was no place for them to express their questions in a disruptive way. Paul also implies, of course, that Christian husbands should be well taught in the Word.

"Many women are tempted to go beyond their biblical roles because of frustration with Christian men, often including their own husbands, who do not responsibly fulfill the leadership assignments God has given them. But God has established the proper order and relationship of male–female roles in the church, and they are not to be transgressed for any reason. For a woman to take on a man’s role because he has neglected it merely compounds the problem. It is not possible for a woman to substitute for a man in such things. God often has led women to do work that men have refused to do, but He does not lead them to accomplish that work through roles He has restricted to men.

"There are times in informal meetings and Bible studies where it is entirely proper for men and women to share equally in exchanging questions and insights. But when the church comes together as a body to worship God, His standards are clear: the role of leadership is reserved for men."

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I'll say it again: no matter what complete nonsense Jinger and Jeremy are on about these days, Jinger really has never looked better. Nice clear skin, fashionable clothes, not allergic to putting her hair up, and she got rid of that Kate Middleton raccoon eyes look. She is far and away the most gorgeous Duggar girl.

I have nothing nice to say about Jeremy.

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13 hours ago, EarlGreyTea said:

I'll say it again: no matter what complete nonsense Jinger and Jeremy are on about these days, Jinger really has never looked better. Nice clear skin, fashionable clothes, not allergic to putting her hair up, and she got rid of that Kate Middleton raccoon eyes look. She is far and away the most gorgeous Duggar girl.

I have nothing nice to say about Jeremy.

Her smugness makes her very unattractive, however, IMHO.

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5 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

That’s a stupid post, even for them. What’s the point? They are so clueless about social media.

It's a profound meditation on Christian marriage. 

...And athletic shoes. 😁

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SMama

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45 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

Why does Jin actually smile in pics with people besides JereMe, and look so smug in photos by herself or with that toolbox she's married to?

It's very strange.

Osmosis?

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On 9/1/2021 at 4:04 PM, Churchhoney said:

"We know that there is no circumstance that can cause the church to close," MacArthur reportedly wrote in the letter. "The church is not only a building but is the bride of Christ and exists to proclaim the truth."

So, if this is the case, then Johnny M is proclaiming the truth, which means the truth is -- among other annoying things -- this -- (can hardly express how much this pisses me off.)

"Women may be highly gifted teachers and leaders, but those gifts are not to be exercised over men in the services of the church. God has ordained order in His creation, an order that reflects His own nature and that therefore should be reflected in His church. When any part of His order is ignored or rejected, His church is weakened and He is dishonored.

"Just as God’s Spirit cannot be in control where there is confusion and chaos in the church, He cannot be in control where women take upon themselves roles that He has restricted to men. It is improper [aischros, “shameful, disgraceful”] for a woman to speak in church. That statement leaves no question as to its meaning.

"If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home. The implication is present in this statement that certain women were out of order in asking questions in the church service. If they desired to learn, the church was no place for them to express their questions in a disruptive way. Paul also implies, of course, that Christian husbands should be well taught in the Word.

"Many women are tempted to go beyond their biblical roles because of frustration with Christian men, often including their own husbands, who do not responsibly fulfill the leadership assignments God has given them. But God has established the proper order and relationship of male–female roles in the church, and they are not to be transgressed for any reason. For a woman to take on a man’s role because he has neglected it merely compounds the problem. It is not possible for a woman to substitute for a man in such things. God often has led women to do work that men have refused to do, but He does not lead them to accomplish that work through roles He has restricted to men.

"There are times in informal meetings and Bible studies where it is entirely proper for men and women to share equally in exchanging questions and insights. But when the church comes together as a body to worship God, His standards are clear: the role of leadership is reserved for men."

Sure, Jan John.

Sure Jan GIF

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