S15.E01: Being Strong or Being a Bitch

[Pickleinthemiddle]

4 hours ago, suev3333 said:

I agree.   Polygamy should be a family living together.  Not each wife having her own million dollar house.  It's ridiculous.  If you can't stand sharing your kitchen with another wife, then you're in the wrong kind of family.  Go live by yourself.   When they all lived together they seemed much happier.  A real family unit.  And if you're jealous when your husband takes another wife, get out of that lifestyle!  You can't handle being in a polygamist family!   What a mess. It's painful to watch.  Cody looks absolutely miserable.  Meri doesn't seem part of the family anymore.  Uggh....

But honestly, most plyg wives rarely saw each other and rarely lived with each other.  In order to not draw attention to themselves.  Some even lived in different cities or towns.

[RedDelicious]

What is WITH Robyn and her band collar blouses? They’re the new spaghetti strap tank over a long sleeve tee. 

I think Kody wouldn’t mind ditching all 4 of them and getting a fresh new toy with no baggage.

[lindalouwho]

No wonder they bought the plaque infested land with a drainage pond. They are so used to being up to their necks in poop! Cody said, a while ago, the he “wasn’t responsible for his wives’ happiness.” He also told Nancy that he wouldn’t be criticized. He sits there, full of self righteous anger that he has to listen to four women complain.  Does he do anything to create loving, marriage relationships? “Fix it, ladies.” Prick. Christine is devastated. You can see in Meri’s face that she totally gets where Christine is coming from, but she is so tired of Kody’s wrath that she stays silent.  Janelle seems to have awakened from hibernation. And Robin fake cries. Kody admits publicly that he hides behind his phone to avoid talking to Christine. Loved it when the girls came in. He’s sitting in the corner engrossed by his phone. “Hi girls” Gwen looks almost shocked, Savanah barely notices him, and they all eat cookies and chat with Christine. Good relationships with his kids my butt. In the flashback to leaving Lehi the wives looked like teenagers. Look at them now. That’s the joys of living polygamy. Robin’s nose gets closer to her chin every season. Pour a cement pad next to Robin’s house for Janelle’s RV. Let Christine keep her house. Let Meri live in Parawan. And stop pretending that polygamy makes each of us better.

[endure]

8 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Everything is the same in the Brown tribe except Curly is way more open about his disdain for the 3 original recipe wives.

YES Curly and the three four stooges! 

[Suzywriter]

23 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

.Meri, I'm so sorry but honestly no one in the family likes you - at all.

We have watched the same season 14 times and now another...

 

I feel really bad for Meri.

Janelle is so disinterested in all of it..

[Just Wondering]

I don’t care if Kody once impregnated two or three wives at once, I still believe his sex drive is the pits.  That Darger fellow has his ladies in LINE.  They keep their bodies fit, they share a kitchen, and they let their sisters marry him.  He has to be one solid lover AND love talker to have so little (public) complaints from his concubines.  I imagine he’s perfectly willing to sidle up to a hurting or jealous wife and tell all the lies he needs to, plus physically show her who still loves you, baby.  I think this sort of behavior is the only way these men really keep more than one lady hanging around hating herself daily.  Kody doesn’t seem to know these tricks even now and flips to the opposite side of this devil’s coin to make his ladies feel unattractive and unfulfilled cuz they made him angry and why should  he say something he’s just not feeling?   Kody needs to do one or the other - grEAt sex or lots of encouraging, loving words.  But clearly he can’t do both and this shiz they’re living doesn’t work without lies.  D.U.M.B.A.S.S.

[Texasmom1970]

I dont know why I keep on watching this shit show.

Cody still a douche.

Robyn still crying.

Meri obviously still has no fucks to give.

Still where are we gonna live, house drama!

I seriously need a life!

Edited February 22, 2021 by Texasmom1970
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[MakingBacon]

The timing of this show drives me nuts. Basically they film for a couple of months and then TLC stretched the footage to last two or three seasons. The seasons are always a year or two behind once they air.

I don’t particularly think Kody is into Robyn anymore. In the beginning, yes. Now, I think he just is tired of polygamy and tired of the other wives. He is likely fine sticking with the last wife until a better opportunity comes along.  Kody doesn’t seem particularly happy with Robyn or happy in general. He seems perpetually angry. In the early years he seemed to at least have some life to him. A part of me thinks Kody has realized the house of cards is finally falling, the family and the finances. He has to know there is no way they will be able to ever keep Robyn’s house in the long run. They don’t make Kardashian money on TLC. If they made money to pay all the bills you wouldn’t see so many of the wives taking part in MLMs. I wonder if that is the biggest issue right now. 

[Art Of Noiz]

3 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

What is WITH Robyn and her band collar blouses? They’re the new spaghetti strap tank over a long sleeve tee. 

I think Kody wouldn’t mind ditching all 4 of them and getting a fresh new toy with no baggage.

Maybe she thinks the blouses camouflage her goiter?

[Art Of Noiz]

I want to see the wives talk to each other without Kody the Grand Poobah in the room. Without him steamrolling his opinion over everything. 

 

Without him cutting his eyes warningly toward the wife that's talking.

I want one episode without him at all. Let's see what happens!  

[Teafortwo]

56 minutes ago, MakingBacon said:

 Kody doesn’t seem particularly happy with Robyn or happy in general. He seems perpetually angry. In the early years he seemed to at least have some life to him. A part of me thinks Kody has realized the house of cards is finally falling, the family and the finances. He has to know there is no way they will be able to ever keep Robyn’s house in the long run.

I think he genuinely loves Ariela and Solomon, aware that they are probably the last of his progeny. I also think he's upset that his older children, particularly the boys, have moved away (or don't like him) and from the looks of things, will all choose monogamy. Regarding the money, it's possible that he will make a profit on the Coyote poop-pond land when he sells it to an investor/developer with the means actually to develop it, clean out the plague soil and install proper drainage along with running utilities to it. Someone with enough political clout to obtain a zoning variance to subdivide or put a resort there. Of course, it's likely that he will squander that money too. He is way over-leveraged on Robyn's house, after the mortgage they borrowed another $150 K so they have zero equity there unless it, too, appreciates in value. 

Once it's just him, Robyn and the youngest two, they can sell and move to a much smaller place. Assuming Dayton is ever allowed to move out to live on his own, that day will come within a couple of years (I'd guess 4 years max) - unless Aurora and Breanna refuse to leave the nest. 

IMO, Christine wants to move to Utah (as announced in the previews) to be near her soon-to-be new granddaughter. It would be a shame to uproot Truely so soon again, but judging from social media, Truely and Mykelti are close and St. George, while still a long drive from SLC-area where Aspyn lives, is much closer than Flagstaff. I could see Christine living with Mykelti to help out with the newborn, especially if Truely is still doing remote school. They can combine their Lularoe "business." Ysabel seemed to want to live with Madison, which doesn't seem impractical, especially if she, too, is doing distance learning. 

Meri's gonna end up in Parowan eventually; it's only logical. Business should pick up at the B&B after the pandemic; she has an international following (of sycophants), many of whom would be thrilled to visit. As for Janelle, I think she's in the toughest spot. Her mother recently died, her grandkids are in NC but I don't think she's much interested in child care. She'll have to get some sort of job after the show ends. She had office skills at one time, so there's that. 

[Teafortwo]

I do think the pandemic screwed up their filming schedule, perhaps why much of this season's first episode is couch sessions filmed in late 2019.

 

Edited February 16, 2021 by Teafortwo
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[Yeah No]

It's weird how coming back to this show after so long has made me see things with these clowns in a new light.  I haven't read the social media threads in a while so it was like tuning in after a long break.  I think Kody was hoist on his own petard so to speak with these women.  He had big plans with the show and the move to LV but all it did was force the wives into seeing how the other half lives and rose their expectations to want more independence and have their man cater to THEIR needs instead of it always being the other way around and them making all the sacrifices all the time.  Why should they have to endure living together again when that's uncomfortable?  And so whatever they had in Utah (which we are finding out was never all that great but still better than LV and MUCH better than AZ) can never be duplicated again.  You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

At this point Kody is the one "wah wah-ing" like a baby that can't have his rattle.  The more his wives express their dissatisfaction with their relationships with him, the more he digs in his heels and protests that it's all their fault and they're the ones that need to change.  Meanwhile it is ever more glaringly obvious that it's all about Kody and unless his wives just sit back and accept anything he does, even ignore them, it's all THEIR problem, not his.  And it's become ever more glaringly obvious to me that he is a misogynist that thinks he should have everything he wants whether or not everyone else involved is happy with that situation.  They should suffer so that he can have it his way, and if they don't like it it's their fault, not his.  So he is more alienated now from most of them than ever because of their dissatisfaction, which is only understandable.  They wouldn't be dissatisfied if he was being right with them.  So no matter what they did they would be screwed.  Only Robin has escaped looking bad to him because she was never involved in the old friction between the other wives, and that's one reason he prefers her.  Plus of course, she doesn't seem as demanding and accusatory because even without the demands of the others he prefers her so she never feels ignored or lower on the totem pole for his affections.  The only way to "win" with him (if you can call it that) is to just accept your lot in life and stop putting demands on him.  The only problem is that even if the wives were to do that he would still prefer Robin and not give equally of his time or his heart to any of them.  I doubt that anything they could have done would have changed the ultimate result because it was going to be what he wanted in the end anyway, which was NOT them and to move on to Robin.  His body language and even his terminology at times makes it obvious that he only really sees himself with Robin anymore and the others are balls and chains that he only associates with because of the TV show.  And for many reasons they are all locked into that sad relationship because of the show, their complex financial relationships, or in Janelle's case, inertia.  They can't seem to figure out a way to have a TV show without being a "family" so they stay together, miserable.

And now they're making their misery the topic of this season.  Oy, what a mess.  Just flush the toilet and be done with it already!  This guy is never going to change and these women are going to be forever miserable unless they get untangled from him.  If anyone didn't want polygamy, it's HIM or else he wouldn't have been so obviously leaving the rest of them to their misery while focusing on Robin.

[Kellyee]

I watched the whole episode last night. Meri is so checked out from the family that it looks like someone from TLC ordered her to show up for that lunch. She couldn't care less if she tried. Robyn seemed to be crying for dramatic effect. Honestly, I couldn't figure out the point of the lunch. It was boring to watch and went nowhere. From what I could gather, Christine feels guilty for admitting she doesn't want to live with the other wives in one house, and that's why she feels awkward when she's with them. Her feelings of jealousy over having to share her husband with other wives would be considered totally normal anywhere except in this shit show. Janelle feels no jealousy because Kody and Janelle are like brother and sister relationship-wise.

When Robyn and Kody were standing on the balcony/deck of the million dollar house, the wind kept blowing and revealing Kody's true hairline. That was the most entertaining part of the episode. He seems to be doing some curly hair/brush forward attempt to conceal it, but then other times he pulls the whole rat's nest back in a ponytail. 

Baby Evie is adorable. I noticed that Mariah and Audrey were also missing from the family get-together. I'm wondering if all of Family Meri are on the outs with the rest of the family now. 

[skipnjump]

10 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

What is WITH Robyn and her band collar blouses? They’re the new spaghetti strap tank over a long sleeve tee. 

I think Kody wouldn’t mind ditching all 4 of them and getting a fresh new toy with no baggage.

And no kids for him to deal with or have to pay for.  And he can ditch all of his other kids.  What a douche.

[Shelbie]

Kody seems profoundly bored with his life and family. He LOVED being seen as a young stud impregnating multiple women. He is now a grandfather and most of his wives are older. No one is envying him and he can't cope.

I would love to be around the original 3 when they aren't playing to the camera.  I think they are much harsher to Kody and each other. 

 

[Boston]

10 hours ago, endure said:

YES Curly and the three four stooges! 

"calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard".   I just couldn't

[RedDelicious]

4 hours ago, Kellyee said:

Honestly, I couldn't figure out the point of the lunch.

Especially since they didn't appear to touch any of the delicious looking food!

[laurakaye]

33 minutes ago, Shelbie said:

Kody seems profoundly bored with his life and family. He LOVED being seen as a young stud impregnating multiple women. He is now a grandfather and most of his wives are older. No one is envying him and he can't cope.

 

This is a good point.  We know the Kodester has loved being the center of attention from way back.  Now he no longer has four women warm for his form, his kids pretty much have no use for him, and he's eternally stuck with four pissed-off women who loathe him in varying degrees.  I'm sure he's always considered himself quite the manly-man stud who enjoyed imagining that his high school friends desperately envied him.  Now I bet they watch the show and laugh.

[Twopper]

4 hours ago, Kellyee said:

Meri is so checked out from the family that it looks like someone from TLC ordered her to show up for that lunch. She couldn't care less if she tried.

She may have been ordered to be there.  I am not sure Kody wanted to be there, either, and he may also have been ordered to show up.  It would have been a lot better had it just been the women.

Christine said it took months to get them together;  I wonder if that was because of the COVID lockdowns.   I have no clue about timelines with this show.

And I hate how they go out of the way to assure Robyn their unhappy fillins have nothing to do with her, the mastermind behind the unnecessary move to Flagstaff that benefited one child out of the 18 or however many kody  had.

[Cancun]

11 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

Especially since they didn't appear to touch any of the delicious looking food!

The food DID look delicious! I couldn’t stop looking at the luscious lemon halves sitting around the center of the table, apparently as part of a hot water/tea setup.  But the mugs of water were plain so I kept thinking “I hope someone USES them, otherwise what a waste!”  Yep, I must have been very bored with this episode.

[Cetacean]

1 hour ago, Shelbie said:

Kody seems profoundly bored with his life and family. He LOVED being seen as a young stud impregnating multiple women. He is now a grandfather and most of his wives are older. No one is envying him and he can't cope.

Spot on.

[itsadryheat]

The sperm donor's financial situation is so interesting to me. If it wasn't for his bloated ego they should be in good shape. But alas, financial chaos. Meri is the only one looking good financially speaking, B&B, lula business.

Not surprising he's in a bad mood. He makes horrible business/financial (ok and life) decisions. The little hissy fit with Robin about not putting his name on anymore purchases was interesting. Little late big daddy.

It's rare to see Karma hit someone, but it appears we are seeing Kody on his receiving end. Once, the King dictating to his kingdom and they all listened and served with allegiance, and now, the results: alienation, distrust, resentment, financial rot. And all on him.

 All that dancing around we've watched him do, and look where he is. Not a fan of plyg, disgust with the women in his life, kids don't like him, money issues, and Mariah.

He is a failure.

Failure at family, failure at "plyg", failure at project managing their life, failure at money management, failure at relationships. 

His reality is awesome, Grandpa, no money, no respect from his older wives, golden locks of hair checking out, and no longer a believer in the faith that has been behind the majority of his choices.

Never heard of anyone renting U haul trucks to be used as long term storage and then whining about the cost, because they might have to load and unload more than once. Moving is so expensive, must have cost them a fortune. His moves seemed impulsive rather than thought out and planned. And what's up with renting the large houses with no kids? How much did those architectural plans for the Brown commune cost? 

Kody Brown, the victim of his choices.

[Mothra]

Kody is wistful that the women didn't marry him because they were in love with him, but from a sense of religious obligation.

The women are wistful, or have a right to be, because Kody has sex with them on a rigid schedule not because he loves them or wants them, but because his religion teaches him not to play favorites in the sack.

I'd feel a lot more used if the sex I got came from religious obligation rather than desire, or even affection..

Kody, the eternal victim.

That's number one.  Number two is that I *loved* the way old Christine co-opted the "I feel like I'm outside looking in" trope from Meri and Robyn.  You could see that she caught them totally off-guard--"outside looking in" was *their* thing!  How could Meri justify refusing to talk to anybody if it was *Christine* who was the outsider!  How could Robyn dissolve in tears because her outsider status made everyone hate her?

Robyn recovered first--the tears came.  "All these problems started when I got here."  Meri toughed it out, deciding to see which of them--her or Christine--could act the excluded one better, quicker, more convincingly.

Number three.  Why not actively try to take yourself out of sexual rotation and enjoy living in a nice big house?  Apparently there's no longer any obligation to pretend to be involved in each others' lives.  Take up a hobby, read a book, watch reality tv.  Join a gym, or a walking group in your neighborhood.  Start drinking in secret.  Swill coffee behind Kody's back.  Lots of women would be very happy with this setup.  Pay lip service occasionally; 95% of the time, be your own person.  Make your own friends.  Screw the rest of this dopey family.

That show's ratings would be through the roof.

[Grifter Lives]

Thank you, @laurakaye, for your recap

The mechanics of recapping a Sister Wives episode are challenging enough: you actually have to stay awake to watch it, figure out the storyline and decipher Brown logic.  But, you actually make the show entertaining.  Your wit is priceless. 

I watched this episode and participated in the live chat, but I still wouldn't know what I watched unless I read your recap.  Every time I looked at the screen, it seemed that I was watching another flashback. 

@Tuxcat is also insightful - We have seen the same season 14 times now.  I think that TLC staggers the seasons so far apart, hoping that we'll forget or finally care.

[bichonblitz]

This was basically a bullshit recap. Nothing new to speak of. I love that Janelle, who is always in her own world is the one to call for a family meeting. What a farce. Production driven, much? 

Kody hates wives #1, 2 and 3. He isn't quite there yet with the coveted #4 but his lack of patience is growing exponentially. 

What a shitheel Caleb turned out to be. 

 

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

I wanted to throat punch Janelle rushing over to defend Sobbin Robyn.. but she knows if you want to stay on kodys good side you better not make Robyn sad so she had to rush over and act like Robyn is a saint.

The last couple seasons Christine lied her as off about how she used to be jealous of Robyn but realized it was all in her head and now she's besties with her.... BIG FAT LIE... Christine hates her and wishes that she never came along because up until then Christine was the shiny new penny...now she's an old hag that kody ignores with his phone and she can hang around kissing his ass until the cows come home and she'll never be attractive or desirable in kodys eyes.

During the show I was thinking about the wives and realized that kody has been an ass to all but Robyn... He tells meri that he regrets their relationship and never loved her, Christine was a gross pig eating nachos like a fat slob and he wasn't really attracted to Janelle but he liked her having a good job and he liked having a buddy he could talk to.... Has he ever said anything unflattering about Robyn?? Even when she's acting like a dumb ass spoiled bitch?..NOPE not a peep...all he does is grovel for her attention...those 2 deserve each other. 🙄

 

What is funny is Robyn is the least physically attractive of the bunch (in my opinion)!  What she does have going for her is she knows exactly how to play Curly Kurly.  Don't know if it is an unhinging jaw, penchant for VS knickers, fecundity or more experienced than the others.  Maybe she has LOTS of tricks.  All I can say is if I were pushed aside for a new flavor of candy after nearly 20 years I might be super salty.  Especially if she came in acting like the family NEEDED her.  I bet the wives were pretty ok without her.  Kurly just wanted some strange.

[Natalie68]

9 hours ago, Teafortwo said:

I think he genuinely loves Ariela and Solomon, aware that they are probably the last of his progeny. I also think he's upset that his older children, particularly the boys, have moved away (or don't like him) and from the looks of things, will all choose monogamy. Regarding the money, it's possible that he will make a profit on the Coyote poop-pond land when he sells it to an investor/developer with the means actually to develop it, clean out the plague soil and install proper drainage along with running utilities to it. Someone with enough political clout to obtain a zoning variance to subdivide or put a resort there. Of course, it's likely that he will squander that money too. He is way over-leveraged on Robyn's house, after the mortgage they borrowed another $150 K so they have zero equity there unless it, too, appreciates in value. 

Once it's just him, Robyn and the youngest two, they can sell and move to a much smaller place. Assuming Dayton is ever allowed to move out to live on his own, that day will come within a couple of years (I'd guess 4 years max) - unless Aurora and Breanna refuse to leave the nest. 

IMO, Christine wants to move to Utah (as announced in the previews) to be near her soon-to-be new granddaughter. It would be a shame to uproot Truely so soon again, but judging from social media, Truely and Mykelti are close and St. George, while still a long drive from SLC-area where Aspyn lives, is much closer than Flagstaff. I could see Christine living with Mykelti to help out with the newborn, especially if Truely is still doing remote school. They can combine their Lularoe "business." Ysabel seemed to want to live with Madison, which doesn't seem impractical, especially if she, too, is doing distance learning. 

Meri's gonna end up in Parowan eventually; it's only logical. Business should pick up at the B&B after the pandemic; she has an international following (of sycophants), many of whom would be thrilled to visit. As for Janelle, I think she's in the toughest spot. Her mother recently died, her grandkids are in NC but I don't think she's much interested in child care. She'll have to get some sort of job after the show ends. She had office skills at one time, so there's that. 

Did not know that!

[Twopper]

19 minutes ago, Mothra said:

Kody is wistful that the women didn't marry him because they were in love with him, but from a sense of religious obligation.

More revisionist history.  Christine at least had a crush on him.  Janelle had enough of a crush on him to dump her husband to marry Kody.  Janelle's ex, Meri's brother, came from a poly fambly so they could have added wives---especially if Janelle was as eager as she pretends to be about the "principal."  And I don't believe he never loved Meri.  They married young so they were at least in the throes of first lust, which parades as love.

5 hours ago, Kellyee said:

Robyn seemed to be crying for dramatic effect.

and to make sure no one mentions that it was because of her that they ended up stuck in Flagstaff.   Maybe she is also realizing that for the others, it doesn't seem like she was there from the beginning.  I never quite was sure what that meant.   Did she fill she should have married Kody at the same time as Meri.   Or if all 4 women should have married at the same time.   They rilly, rilly should have just moved to St George instead of Flagstaff.  And Vegas was either Eden or hell, depending on the revisionist flavor of the day.  Same with Lehi.  They never mention life in the trailer which probably was only hell.

1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

This is a good point.  We know the Kodester has loved being the center of attention from way back.  Now he no longer has four women warm for his form, his kids pretty much have no use for him, and he's eternally stuck with four pissed-off women who loathe him in varying degrees.  I'm sure he's always considered himself quite the manly-man stud who enjoyed imagining that his high school friends desperately envied him.  Now I bet they watch the show and laugh.

Especially with all the info out on internet about the financial house of cards he has built.   He probably is a bit checked out because he is constantly trying to figure how to rob Peter to pay Paul and vice versa.   It probably saps his energy.  And also because his narcissism, anger, stupidity, and unhappy wives are all on tv in full view.

The only thing I can see for next season, is the three single wives move to St George and leave Robyn and Kody in the mansionette.  Or two move to St George and Meri retreats to the B&B.  I keep thinking the Luluroe business will collapse on Meri and Christine.

[JoannKBC]

The whole family needs to give up the delusion that they can get back to the way they used to be in Utah. The living situation is only one small piece of the puzzle. Putting them all in close proximity on a piece of land in Flagstaff is not going to recreate how they operated in Lehi. They were a growing family of all small children back then. Their routines and relationships revolved around that. They are an older family of mostly grown and older children now. It's by nature different.

I only have one spouse and two kids, but our family is different now that kids are 14 and 17 than it was when they were 1 and 4. And it will be even more different when they are 25 and 28. The way we spend our time, the way we relate to each other - it's evolved and it's never going backwards. It's not worse or better, but it's different. They need to come to terms with that and figure out how to make this new family work for everyone rather than always trying to get back to the way things "used to be."

[Grifter Lives]

1 minute ago, Twopper said:

Especially with all the info out on internet about the financial house of cards he has built.   He probably is a bit checked out because he is constantly trying to figure how to rob Peter to pay Paul and vice versa.   It probably saps his energy.  And also because his narcissism, anger, stupidity, and unhappy wives are all on tv in full view.

The only thing I can see for next season, is the three single wives move to St George and leave Robyn and Kody in the mansionette.  Or two move to St George and Meri retreats to the B&B.  I keep thinking the Luluroe business will collapse on Meri and Christine.

I think that he's also brooding and infuriated that the two  most dissatisfied wives have surpassed him financially.  The Lularoe business will collapse - I'm surprised it hasn't yet - but, until then, Meri and Christine individually are probably earning just as much or more as the whole fambly earns per season.  That has to be how Christine with no credit history (except bankruptcies and astronomical hospital debts) managed to buy her own house.  

And, like someone said upthread, the others could rent AirBnBs just for filming.  That may be why they hold their family council meetings at restaurants.  I believe that the only interior we saw was Robyn and Kody's financed-to-the-hilt mansionette.

[laurakaye]

Right, and the thing is, this show has been on the air for 15 seasons.  Kody has four wives and eleventy-ten children.  Had he put away that TLC money, even part of it, and supplemented it with actual JOBS, he might just have enough by now to build his Prairie Plyg Palace, complete with turrets, moat and a secret hideaway when those damn pesky kids keep asking where he is.  Instead, he fancied himself a very important and desirable hot commodity, and thinking that his show would surely be on the air forever and he'd be rich, he's got this family so far in over their heads, I'm surprised they can see the sky at all.  Unfortunately, when he goes down, he's taking everyone down with him.

[Kellyee]

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And I hate how they go out of the way to assure Robyn their unhappy fillins have nothing to do with her, the mastermind behind the unnecessary move to Flagstaff that benefited one child out of the 18 or however many kody  had.

Robyn's an asshole, but she didn't cause the family problems. They were fucked up before she arrived. Janelle left at one point for like 3 years and lived somewhere else because she couldn't deal with Meri. This was no happy young family. 

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and to make sure no one mentions that it was because of her that they ended up stuck in Flagstaff. 

I actually think the Flagstaff move was to provide a new storyline for the show and keep them on the air and getting paid. There was nothing else left. 

I really think the drama is fake, and that these women are living separate lives quite happily. 

 

 

[Natalie68]

18 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Right, and the thing is, this show has been on the air for 15 seasons.  Kody has four wives and eleventy-ten children.  Had he put away that TLC money, even part of it, and supplemented it with actual JOBS, he might just have enough by now to build his Prairie Plyg Palace, complete with turrets, moat and a secret hideaway when those damn pesky kids keep asking where he is.  Instead, he fancied himself a very important and desirable hot commodity, and thinking that his show would surely be on the air forever and he'd be rich, he's got this family so far in over their heads, I'm surprised they can see the sky at all.  Unfortunately, when he goes down, he's taking everyone down with him.

While putting on my brows for my zoom meeting I had a thought.  I don't think Kurly is really into kids.  He likes proving he can sire them, showing the world what a manly man he is, likes knowing wives want to have sex with him but being around them and giving them quality time isn't his thang.  I believe he is cool with the kids he has with Robyn and HER kids because he won them.  SHE, a woman with experience, WANTED him.  The other kids look like the wives he despises or bug him.  

My money is on Savannah, the forgotten child, to write the book.

What are the odds that both of Madison's kids have health issues?  It looks like apraxia has a genetic component and Evie's issue is genetic.  I hope they are exploring that.  

[Sandy W]

9 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

 

I actually think the Flagstaff move was to provide a new storyline for the show and keep them on the air and getting paid. There was nothing else left. 

When casting around for a new storyline, it would have been so much more interesting if they had stuck to Kody's original stated intent to move back to Utah, where he planned to enter the political arena.  I suppose the reason for the switch to Flagstaff was Robyn's need to helicopter mom to Dayton, but that was never explained on the show.

It would have provided endless amusement to watch Kody huffing and puffing his way on the campaign trail.  They really missed out on that for a possible few more reasons for seasons.

[65mickey]

You could be right about them living separately and that this is fake drama.  But I actually think this could be the makings of a better show, Sanity after polygamy. I would love to see a show featured around Meri and at least Christine leaving Kody moving out back to Utah or where ever and starting a new life with all of the trials and tribulations and a promise of the good life. I bet they could get a few seasons out of this. And Kody and Robyn get nada! I just don't understand why TLC keeps repeating the same stale storyline season after season. Yes weget it. They are all miserable well maybe not Robyn's kids. 

[deirdra]

5 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

My money is on Savannah, the forgotten child, to write the book.

That would be good; she seems to be taking everything in.   Kody is also probably extremely jealous of her long, thick, naturally curly hair. No ramen noodling devices necessary.

[Natalie68]

1 minute ago, deirdra said:

That would be good; she seems to be taking everything in.   Kody is also probably extremely jealous of her long, thick, naturally curly hair. No ramen noodling devices necessary.

Her hair is gorgeous!  

[greekmom]

12 hours ago, MakingBacon said:

The timing of this show drives me nuts. Basically they film for a couple of months and then TLC stretched the footage to last two or three seasons. The seasons are always a year or two behind once they air.

I don’t particularly think Kody is into Robyn anymore. In the beginning, yes. Now, I think he just is tired of polygamy and tired of the other wives. He is likely fine sticking with the last wife until a better opportunity comes along.  Kody doesn’t seem particularly happy with Robyn or happy in general. He seems perpetually angry. In the early years he seemed to at least have some life to him. A part of me thinks Kody has realized the house of cards is finally falling, the family and the finances. He has to know there is no way they will be able to ever keep Robyn’s house in the long run. They don’t make Kardashian money on TLC. If they made money to pay all the bills you wouldn’t see so many of the wives taking part in MLMs. I wonder if that is the biggest issue right now. 

I would watch a season if the douche bag divorced Sobyn, told the rest of the wives it's over and found himself a new wife and declared monogamy. I would laugh my ass off.

[deirdra]

8 minutes ago, greekmom said:

I would watch a season if the douche bag divorced Sobyn, told the rest of the wives it's over and found himself a new wife and declared monogamy. 

He'd probably have to shop for a new wife in Amish territory to find a woman who has never seen or heard about the show.

[Meowwww]

So.   All the back and forth about the million dollar mansion.  Kodouche and Robyn were so uncertain about getting the home.  Yet the mortgage guy calls and says their loan funded. Um, wouldn’t they have been approved, gone to closing and known they got the house?   Isn’t it all said and done at closing?  The loan won’t fund before closing. Legally it can’t. No signatures, no loan.   Unless they went with some sort of private loan I guess?
So they acted all worried for the cameras. What a crock. 
Also, I hate how they say “peeenk” instead of pink.  

[Twopper]

15 minutes ago, Meowwww said:

So.   All the back and forth about the million dollar mansion.  Kodouche and Robyn were so uncertain about getting the home.  Yet the mortgage guy calls and says their loan funded. Um, wouldn’t they have been approved, gone to closing and known they got the house?   Isn’t it all said and done at closing?  The loan won’t fund before closing. Legally it can’t. No signatures, no loan.   Unless they went with some sort of private loan I guess?
So they acted all worried for the cameras. What a crock. 
Also, I hate how they say “peeenk” instead of pink.  

I am sure the phone call was after the fact.  I am sure Robyn and Kody already knew, but I think they kept if from the kids.  It seemed so staged.  They were supposed to go on the balcony, but Kody forgot and went the wrong way at first.   They rilly should have bought a smaller place, they had to borrow money a month or so later.  and they are probably still in arrears on the property taxes on Prairie Dog Flats.

[RedDelicious]

Kody is probably ten steps ahead of us and has spent the pandemic whiteboarding the depreciation of his kids ages so he can figure out when it makes the best financial sense to get rid of C/J/R.

[laurakaye]

I would watch a TLC show called "Kody and Robyn: On Their Own."

Christine would call a lunch meeting of the adults, where she would announce that she was taking Truely and moving to St. George.  Janelle would then say that she is taking Savannah to North Carolina.  Meri hears this and says that she, having made it to the Grand Poo-Bah level in her LuLaRoe marketing sham, now has a thousand minions under her and can easily live off their blood, sweat and tears for life and is heading to Parowan to make rice krispie treats full-time and sell false eyelashes that are stuck on using leftover marshmallow.  Whereupon Robyn - having no one to be jealous of her any longer and therefore no reason to continue in this family, tells Kody she wants a divorce.  He says, "but love - who will watch the children while you sleep until 2pm?"  She realizes that they are stuck together for eternity and we get to watch them live miserably ever after.

Also, Kody suddenly loses his hair and the bank forecloses on their mansion and they are forced to move into Janelle's dumpy rental to live out their days.

[Just Wondering]

Things I’m remembering - Kody casually mentioning having lunch with Logan.  Robyn complaining that someone suggested/reminded her that she wasn’t there from the beginning or something?

Is it possible Christine intends to return to Utah in order to be reassigned to a new husband - since Kody won’t plural marriage her?

 

26 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

Kody is probably ten steps ahead of us and has spent the pandemic whiteboarding the depreciation of his kids ages so he can figure out when it makes the best financial sense to get rid of C/J/R.

Yes!  I’ve long thought that Kody does the bare minimum in order to keep C and J around to avoid paying child support.  

Edited February 16, 2021 by Just Wondering

[Opine]

12 hours ago, Art Of Noiz said:

I want to see the wives talk to each other without Kody the Grand Poobah in the room. Without him steamrolling his opinion over everything. 

 

Without him cutting his eyes warningly toward the wife that's talking.

I want one episode without him at all. Let's see what happens!  

I was actually thinking that exact thing as I was watching!  Get him off and show us the four wives and what they are doing/going through and the decisions they are making.

[Shauna]

Can someone remind me why they left Las Vegas in the first place?  Seems like it was an ideal set up there. 

I can't understand how they can afford all these mouths to feed and all this new property. 

Is the goal to build one big house?  Cause no one seems on board with this. 

Meh.  I'm rilly cornfused. 

 

[xwordfanatik]

It rilly wouldn't shock me if Kootie palmed Christine off on his wife-beater buddy Kyle.  Now Meri, she once said "I could be married to that" when talking about Joe Darger.  His three wives would veto that idea ASAP, I'm certain.  IIRC, Kootie almost always sits between his pal Janelle and his queen Robo when they do the tell-nothings, so he can turn those shark eyes on PITA Christine, and Ms. Catfished.

I loathe and despise Kootie.  

[TurtlePower]

15 hours ago, Suzywriter said:

I feel really bad for Meri.

Janelle is so disinterested in all of it..

Feeling bad for Meri?  Meri has been a passive aggressive, lying, whiny game player for years. She was ready to ditch the family for a catfish. Then, she lied—deflecting the blame off of herself (even though she pursued the relationship like a cat in heat). And they all knew it. 

Meri can’t stand criticism—any criticism of any kind. Everyone has to walk on eggshells around her. If you’re not nice to her, her “walls” come up and she cries cries cries. 

I might have felt sorry for Meri if she owned her part in everything, but she deflects and lies. To this day.  I think she even believes the lies she tells herself. 

[notnowimbusy]

I have a question about the house Kody & Robyn bought.  In order to get a loan, wouldn't they have had to put up something as collateral?  I'm just assuming they used the Coyote Pass property to secure the loan - because that has to be a big loan.    Anyway, what happens if 1) they default - the bank would be in first position to take over the house and Coyote Pass.  2) If one of the other wives wanted to purchase a home, and they needed to use their interest in the property to qualify for a loan.  But the property is already assigned to another loan.    3).  If they did use Coyote Pass as collateral, they can't use it for a construction loan to build houses on the property until it's released from the other loan.