S24.E08: Week 8 - Hometown Dates

[econ07]

7 minutes ago, Rebky said:

Question. What happened to Pete's forehead? I obviously do not watch this show very closely.

Smacked it on the edge of a golf cart roof, requiring stitches.

[nutty1]

5 minutes ago, econ07 said:

Smacked it on the edge of a golf cart roof, requiring stitches.

I thought he was attacked by a mountain lion! 🤣🤣

[EllenB]

11 minutes ago, nutty1 said:

I thought he was attacked by a mountain lion! 🤣🤣

I think the puma story and the golf cart video were both fakes.  Victoria probably slashed him with a beer bottle and he's still apologizing to her.

Anyone notice his preference for brunettes?  Anyone look at Mama Weber?  Anyone else squicked out?

Edited February 18, 2020 by EllenB

[Mu Shu]

5 minutes ago, EllenB said:

 

Anyone notice his preference for brunettes?  Anyone look at Mama Weber?  Anyone else squicked out?

No. Most people have brown hair to some degree. 

[Thumper]

I’m pleased about brunettes.  Seems blondes are preferred most often.  (Don’t know about the Mama connection.)

Edited February 18, 2020 by Thumper

[angelamh66]

Ugh. I forgot how much I hate the retrograde crap of the hometown visits on this show. All the protective/daddy’s approval nonsense. The references to Madison’s purity were unsettling. I really, really hope her dad just meant that her soul was pure because it creeps me out if he’s talking about sexual “purity.” 

As for the inevitable Luke P comparison, i can already think of reasons why this is different. Luke P had already shown tendencies toward controlling behavior and his attitude about the fantasy suites was further manifestation of that. Plus there is a historical backdrop of men attempting to control women’s sexual behavior through religion and b.s. rhetoric about good girls and wife material. 

I think Madison’s approach is likely to be totally different. She hasn’t exhibited controlling behavior. And I’ll be shocked if her delivery of this message to Peter is anything other than a matter of fact statement of what will and will not work for her.

[oakville]

There is no logical reason for Peter to keep Victoria F. She is driving him crazy.

[Arkay]

Genetics is a funny thing. I had thought Victoria had some Indian heritage, but I guess not. Although all of this visit was so clearly set up. I mean, the family is awaiting Victoria and Peter, they are at the door, but they never come in. If that were my daughter I would have gone outside to check, way before Peter is driven off, and it seems obvious to me that they were told to wait inside. Or they already knew the visit wouldn't happen. It's sad we didn't get to really meet them, because the bit at the end showed a fun family, in my opInion.  

I knew he was going to keep Victoria, even though she of course defaulted to crazy defensive talk. Either he just is in lust or the producers are. 

Madison is so superlative to Peter in every way that I just want her to end things now and find someone worthy of her.

The relationship with Hannah is on such a juvenile level. I did like all these fathers who aren't here for the BS.

I never felt that Peter was into Kelsey. She'll probably be popular if she makes it to BIP.

[CrazyDog]

Still watching, but maybe Kelsey hasn't had plastic surgery; all the women have similar noses. I still like her OK.

That's my main takeaway so far. Oh, and that Hannah Ann's dad made more of an impression tonight than she did. She is not into Peter. At all.

[sauce62]

All of the houses tonight looked staged. Seriously not like homes that are lived in. This show is Ridic.

I guess I'm in the minority but I thought Peter was an ass for bringing that shit up to Victoria before their dinner. Timing is everything, Grumpy Cat. Later at the Motel 6, she couldn't even look at him when she said she was falling in love with him, so I'm calling producer shenanigans. I think she's rather lovely, except for the ratty hair.

[Ms Blue Jay]

26 minutes ago, Arkay said:

Genetics is a funny thing. I had thought Victoria had some Indian heritage, but I guess not.

??  We never saw her parents.  It was like the show purposely hid them in the dark.  I still think she does.

(Did I miss them?)

I just Google'd this, and the father they show is her stepfather.  Victoria's mother is remarried.  

Edited February 18, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay

[meatball77]

31 minutes ago, angelamh66 said:

Ugh. I forgot how much I hate the retrograde crap of the hometown visits on this show. All the protective/daddy’s approval nonsense. The references to Madison’s purity were unsettling. I really, really hope her dad just meant that her soul was pure because it creeps me out if he’s talking about sexual “purity.” 

 

Oh, he was totally talking about her sexual purity.  What they were saying reeked of purity ball bullshit.

Why is he keeping Victoria F, they seem to have a horrible time together.  Oh, because he thinks she'll be fun in bed.

[tinkerbell]

I wonder - if Kelsey showed up without her hair extensions, 3 pounds of makeup and fake eyelashes, would Peter even recognize her?  I know I wouldn't.  

Peter kept assuring parents that he wasn't going to break their daughters' hearts.  Does he know how this show works?  that he has to pick ONE and send the others home? 

[tinkerbell]

I like Madison better than most women who have been on this show, because she knows how to kiss a man without wrapping her legs around his waist

[MBTV]

Oops. Wrong forum. Excusez-moi.

Edited February 18, 2020 by MightyBigTV Relic

[call me ishmael]

Victoria: “I don’t know why I can’t walk away from you.”

Me: “Because then you wouldn’t be on TV.”

[Wandering Snark]

Peter, supposedly, was getting into the back part of a golf cart with a drink in a glass in one hand. He bonked his head on the roof of the cart which rebounded the glass shattering into his forehead... officially that is. It's still super-boneheaded and also shows that he has terrible judgement in walking around with an assumable alcoholic drink in a glass.

I got all kinds of cringey when Madison's dad said "she's so pure!" Well dad, your Snow White clearly has drifted even in being involved with this morally bankrupt series. Special plate or no special plate...

Peter lost points with me as I saw no 'I's with hearts atop them on his letter back to Hannah.

I still waited for Peter before the rose ceremony to say to himself "Well I've got these two cute young girls, one well-meaning head case that looks like she's 40 and a total psychopath that I can't resist because I find her hawt. So we obviously can see I'll keep the psycho and work from there... *winks*"

[tinkerbell]

8 minutes ago, Wandering Snark said:

So we obviously can see I'll keep the psycho and work from there... *winks*"

What kind of ex-girlfriend sees Peter on a date with a psycho, and doesn't think, "Ha!  He deserves to be with her! "  

has she no bitterness, no sense of revenge?  Imagine if she just told Peter Victoria was great, and they're obviously right for each other, then walked away with an evil grin.

[PTVjones]

Why Madison deserves a lot of credit.

1. She's stayed out of drama the entire season.

2. She's a virgin and this has not been the major talking point of the entire season. This could be b/c there was so much other drama going on, however I respect the fat that this hasn't defined her. (cough, cough, Colton)

3. Her sheer skill in basketball makes me respect her immensely. I don't follow basketball in anyway, but I do respect someone who's clearly dedicated their life to a craft. She completely showed up Peter and I think that's damn amazing. 

4. It's clear her family puts immense pressure on her, so far she's carried it well and I hope she gets the opportunity to explore life outside that kind of pressure. 

I think she's too young to be the Bachelorette, but I wouldn't hate it if she was. This is coming from someone who couldn't be more opposite than Madison lol.

[PhysNerd]

6 hours ago, econ07 said:

So all those who said Hannah was being slut shamed ... you would say Peter is being slut shamed, correct?

Personally, I will call a slut a slut. I don't care if they are a man or a woman.  If someone wants to be a slut, then they should go for it.  However, they need to be mature enough to feel confident in their choices. If someone can easily make you feel guilty or ashamed over your choices by using one word, then you probably don't feel you are making the best decisions deep down inside. 

 

Society, however, will slam anyone who calls a woman a slut, but if a man engages in the exact same behavior, then he is called every name in the book. Hypocrisy is rampant in our society when it comes to sex.  

 

 

 

[DEL901]

5 hours ago, tinkerbell said:

I wonder - if Kelsey showed up without her hair extensions, 3 pounds of makeup and fake eyelashes, would Peter even recognize her?  I know I wouldn't.  

Peter kept assuring parents that he wasn't going to break their daughters' hearts.  Does he know how this show works?  that he has to pick ONE and send the others home? 

Maybe Peter thinks this can be a Sister Wives version of the Bachelor?

[JenE4]

6 hours ago, Arkay said:

Genetics is a funny thing. I had thought Victoria had some Indian heritage, but I guess not. Although all of this visit was so clearly set up. I mean, the family is awaiting Victoria and Peter, they are at the door, but they never come in. If that were my daughter I would have gone outside to check, way before Peter is driven off, and it seems obvious to me that they were told to wait inside. Or they already knew the visit wouldn't happen. It's sad we didn't get to really meet them, because the bit at the end showed a fun family, in my opInion.  

I knew he was going to keep Victoria, even though she of course defaulted to crazy defensive talk. Either he just is in lust or the producers are. 

Madison is so superlative to Peter in every way that I just want her to end things now and find someone worthy of her.

The relationship with Hannah is on such a juvenile level. I did like all these fathers who aren't here for the BS.

I never felt that Peter was into Kelsey. She'll probably be popular if she makes it to BIP.

The whole arrival to Victoria’s home was strange. Why was Peter riding in the car by himself and Victoria was already at the house? They always show the couple “arriving together” so is that not usually the case or did they do something shady here? I assume the producers knew Peter’s ex was at this event and shuttled Victoria to her parents’ house so she wouldn’t be there for the whole confrontation? Was she waiting outside that whole time? Or do the contestants actually go see their family first and then they pretend to have a big reunion?

[jackjill89]

Victoria is exhausting. 

 

[nlkm9]

8 hours ago, Arkay said:

Genetics is a funny thing. I had thought Victoria had some Indian heritage, but I guess not. Although all of this visit was so clearly set up. I mean, the family is awaiting Victoria and Peter, they are at the door, but they never come in. If that were my daughter I would have gone outside to check, way before Peter is driven off, and it seems obvious to me that they were told to wait inside. Or they already knew the visit wouldn't happen. It's sad we didn't get to really meet them, because the bit at the end showed a fun family, in my opInion.  

I knew he was going to keep Victoria, even though she of course defaulted to crazy defensive talk. Either he just is in lust or the producers are. 

Madison is so superlative to Peter in every way that I just want her to end things now and find someone worthy of her.

The relationship with Hannah is on such a juvenile level. I did like all these fathers who aren't here for the BS.

I never felt that Peter was into Kelsey. She'll probably be popular if she makes it to BIP.

I dislike Kelsey a lot, but really Peter why would you encourage her with the line” my heart has fallen” he knew as he was saying it he was dumping her . I really really dislike him and his bs lines to everyone, he could have let her down gently then. If a guy told me his heart had fallen i would really be so encouraged. As far as Madison since she came on the show knowing about 4 times in a windmill she is hypocritical. Would love to see her as bachelorette because i love everything about her and her season would not be like coltons all about her virginity . I wonder if producers promised her the part if she waited to tell peter ?

[nlkm9]

10 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

There is a very famous viral tweet where somebody was mimicking Stephen A. Smith's style of speaking and decided to imitate what he thought Stephen would say at a P.F. Chang's:

I spent the entire first part of the episode thinking we were visiting Madison's family.  Now I'm reading that that was Hannah Ann's.  I am not kidding when I say I really don't know the difference.

I couldn’t tell the difference either for a while after last nite, Hannah Ann is a child, and Madison is an accomplished athlete who seems to have a lot of confidence . I actually like them both, but for me ( lol) let him end up with Hanna Ann so Madison can be the bachelorette i think she deserves way better than peter who is such a player and a liar!! 

[JudyObscure]

I cringe every time Victoria starts poking around her eyes with those gigantic white nails.  I expect it's those big eyes that have caused her family to spoil her and give her what  ever she wants without her having to use any actual words.  They probably think she looks like one of those Margaret Keane  "Big Eyes" paintings. 

What a creep she is, though. Nothing excuses deliberately breaking up marriages just to prove you can. If  It comes down to Madison and Victoria it will be an epic good vs evil ending.

I really hope the show breaks it's pattern and finds someone completely new for the Bachelorette.  Victoria is hate-worthy,  Hannah Ann  is super pretty but a terrible actress, not one word out of her mouth sounds sincere, and Madison, great personality and good body, just doesn't have a pretty enough face to me, (low forehead, buck teeth, bad skin.) A whole season of close-ups of Peter's face has taught me that I don't really like to see ordinary looking people kissing, sweating and crying.

[nutty1]

The HTD’s weren’t shown in the correct order. Madison’s was filmed first, followed by Victoria’s. Kelsey’s was last. I wonder if he was sure at that point that he was letting Kelsey go? 

[b2H]

9 hours ago, angelamh66 said:

The references to Madison’s purity were unsettling. I really, really hope her dad just meant that her soul was pure because it creeps me out if he’s talking about sexual “purity.” 

It's deep South cultural.  Didn't bother me at all.  Entirely cultural and Peter had better get used to that if he's going to take Madi as his partner.  Peter is from the wilds of California [/s] and daddy is just making sure those California values don't contaminate his daughter.  I'm glad daddy cares to ensure that she's maintaining how she was raised.

Of course she's on the wrong show for this stuff, but there you go.

[SoWindsor]

9 hours ago, Arkay said:

Genetics is a funny thing. I had thought Victoria had some Indian heritage, but I guess not. Although all of this visit was so clearly set up. I mean, the family is awaiting Victoria and Peter, they are at the door, but they never come in. If that were my daughter I would have gone outside to check, way before Peter is driven off, and it seems obvious to me that they were told to wait inside. Or they already knew the visit wouldn't happen. It's sad we didn't get to really meet them, because the bit at the end showed a fun family, in my opInion.  

I also saw no resemblance between Victoria and her family. Perhaps she is adopted. 

[Ohwell]

I've avoided this season because Peter is meh, but I watched last night and Victoria reminds me of that Peloton commercial lady with those big, sad eyes.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Ohwell

[tinkerbell]

What if the last two standing are Madison and Hannah Ann, and Peter can't decide, because, like us, he can't tell which is which?

[phlebas]

UNPOPULAR OPINION:  I feel sorry for Victoria.

Not because her actions have come back to haunt her. She made her bed and has to lie in it.

But there is something wrong there. I think there's a crippling self-esteem issue at work. It's like she's learned her only value is her body -- the only times this season she's come out of her shell was when she got to use it, with the lingerie thing and then the Cosmo photo shoot.

If everything about her breaking up marriages by being a serial "other woman" is true, what does that say? She's consistently with the type of man who would cheat on his wife, because he obviously sees value in her, even if it is just her body. No wonder she doesn't know how to interact with someone like Peter.

And now Peter is going to sex her up in the fantasy suites and most likely dump her for the virgin right after. Ugh.

I dunno. Maybe I'm naive or reading too much into this. But I think this woman needs help, and all she's going to get is abuse from strangers online.

Edited February 18, 2020 by phlebas
typo

[Jeanne222]

Who in the heck chose Pilot Pete to be the bachelor?  He's terrible.  He has no swag and close ups of his kisses are yuck!

Madison is so miscast with this horn dog!

Victoria is an accident waiting for a place to happen.  Hannah showed up without her nanny!

They are trying to save this uneventful season with girl fights, ex girlfriend with startling news and one saving herself virgin!

Bottom line.  Peter never should have been given this role.  He's just not up to the casting.  He's a dorky guy who makes bad choices!

[reggiejax]

10 hours ago, oakville said:

There is no logical reason for Peter to keep Victoria F. She is driving him crazy.

There is only one reason he is keeping her around, and it is quite logical. Now whether it's a good reason, well that is debatable.

[Rainsong]

The final stages of The Bachelor, especially this year’s edition, are like those old Psych 101 videos in which authority & obedience were examined as a tester asked questions about mundane subjects of an individual in another room. The tester was called upon to deliver increasingly harsh and even brutal punishments including electric shocks eliciting screams of pain from the respondent. The button, the wires and the screams were all fakes but many testers – who appeared at first as polite, mild-mannered types - dutifully adhered to their sadistic roles.

Equally dutiful are Bachelor viewers who are screaming (inside) at the mental torture of watching Peter Weber’s Flying Circus in which a confused, disoriented pilot barnstorms a series of houses where bewildered onlookers wonder why exactly he is there and what exactly it is he wants.

It’s raining in Knoxville but the needs of the camera crew compel Peter & Hannah (We can drop the Ann now – Hannah B appears to have been banished) to use the kind of flimsy clear umbrella that 2nd grade girls would use while waiting for the bus. White-bread Peter now looks like white bread with the crusts cut off. Ironic that they would rendezvous at the Sunsphere (a relic of the World’s Fair) as the rain pours down. But…there’s a railing in the shot! Drink!

The flannel-clad locals are less than impressed with his axe-throwing ability, muscles apparently having atrophied after years of lifting nothing heavier than the control yoke of an airplane. The axes are sharp, the throwers less so but eventually the bullseye is hit and the victory (?) log split. Hannah, mercifully, has not exchanged her crop top for a lumberjack shirt – the shirttail would obscure her painted-on jeans.

Peter hopes there is a refrigerator and a magnet at the Sluss home, cos he’s done his homework in neat penmanship and hopes to have it displayed alongside, er, the plumber’s business card. Hannah’s mom breaks down which is odd behavior for someone whose daughter is still a contender. Dad Rick, who probably climbed onto his roof and threatened to stay there until Peter departed, is not impressed. Strangely, Hannah more closely resembles him facially while Sis & Mom are dead ringers. Sis breaks down over ‘nice’ Peter inducing a similar reaction in Hannah. Rick braves the lights and cameras again and takes Peter to the woodshed – well, the woodpile anyway – takes the justifiable contrarian view that the L word must be reserved for only one female. Unfortunately, Rick didn’t extend his fatherly advice to giving Peter a razor and instructions to get upstairs and clean up properly.

Both Peter & Hannah are openly using ‘love’ now but apparently the ‘in’ qualifier has magic powers and is a bit of a hedge. Usually the producers frown on this sort of thing until the finale which makes the viewer wonder if there isn’t a plot twist being laid out.

The Bachelors’ shocking taste in outerwear is on display again with a muddy brown down jacket as he arrives in Des Moines. The producers were up a stump for a beauty-shot background. Their choices were limited to: a grain elevator, an empty Nile Kinnick Stadium, the state house or the roadside monument reading On This Site A Possibly Drunk Chris Soules Caused A Fatal Accident And Left The Scene. The state house with its ornate exterior wins out for obvious reasons.

Grape-stomping with Kelsey at a winery shaped like a barn – natch – follows. One can only imagine how cold the grapes and the tin tub are given the frigid air. Kelsey wants to ‘cheers.’ The world wants to ‘cheers.’ Has the world forgotten the word ‘toast?’ It’s maddening. Peter isn’t having the elliptical approach. He wants more adulation and gets it – the usual smug smile appears when he elicits the L word from Kelsey.

The spread of coronavirus is alarming and serious but it can’t hold a candle to the omnipresent scourge of center-parted hair.  There are clones of the Clairol Herbal Essence girl everywhere, it seems, including in Kelsey’s home. Her family demonstrates that heredity AND environment have merged to create their default means of communication – tearful, sniffly, voice breaking. An emotional lot, this. We find that all the nose reconstruction may have been medically necessary – it appears that fractured cartilage was a very real possibility as the sisters fought over the mascara. The videographers make a hilarious attempt at an ‘amber waves of grain’ beauty shot as they shoot through a clump of cordgrass in the front yard.

Moving from plains to The Plains we meet up with Madison on the campus of Auburn. B-roll footage featuring the sun gives way to more cloudy skies and wet sidewalks. At this point we have to wonder if the Great Airline Captain In The Sky isn’t expressing his skepticism at the whole thing. Yes, kids, Charles Barkley was actually that trim (relatively speaking) during his Auburn days. We’re not sure that a huge banner identifying the statue of the school’s most famous basketball alumnus is all that necessary.  A tasteful plaque would suffice.  But perhaps people have short memories. A scan of the AU basketball web site reveals that Dad of Mad(i) is technically the Director of Operations under Bruce Pearl. Pearl has never met a camera he didn’t like and probably jumped at the chance to orate and run a mini-clinic. Madison demonstrates some legitimate athletic skills, Peter less so, although fair play to him for making a three-pointer and an and-one bucket with a shapely coed hanging round his neck.

Even more bizarre than the masking of the Browns wordmark in Cleveland is the masking of the AU logo (and the SEC logo). We’re in Auburn, AL, on the campus of Auburn University, on the floor of Auburn Arena and the couple are wearing Auburn jerseys. Is there REALLY a need to tape over the AU on uniforms and seats? Ironically, the big AUs on the bench are too big for whatever roll of sticky tape the crew brought and only the first two rows of seats have been taped over. Hey, union stagehands have their own tape – red in this case – and don’t climb more than a few steps.

There are few things more awkward than family dinner table speeches. The in-laws tried it once at Thanksgiving.  Without warning and without anything to drink it was a cruel surprise.

The Sisterhood Of The Chunky Bracelets are having a Deep & Meaningful (D&M) about Madison’s purity. Basketball Dad dribbles deftly around the subject but we take the hint. Madison seems to be slipping back toward the field (we could make a joke about maiden and claiming races here but that would be too punny) on the homestretch but not necessarily in Peter’s eyes.

Virginia Beach is, of course, clouded over. It must have been the largest and most stationary front in the history of recorded meteorology. Remember when those tintype photo booths were in every mall to say nothing of their ubiquity in tourist traps like VB? Speaking of tin, either Victoria is tin-eared or tin-plated but drags hapless Peter to yet another country (but not really) gig. He could be excused for wondering if Hunter Hayes (me neither) is another Victorian conquest now slinging a guitar. The lip sync game is given away when Hayes’ last note rings out as he steps away from the mic.

The setup of all setups is uncorked as one Marissa, face obscured, magically appears to magically inform Peter that Victoria may be less a queen in black and more of a black widow instead. Proceeding rapidly from trusting his gut to relying on the uncorroborated tale from an anonymous source, Pete is conflicted. In Pat Conroy’s book, The Great Santini (himself a military pilot) declares that ‘a wind sock never lies and a man who is as honest as a wind sock is a hell of man. He’s also a real dumb ass.’ Peter is doing his best wind sock now, twitching and twisting in Gale Marissa. Vic’s response is, of course, to say nothing – well, 100 words of nothing. Hmm…the interview portion of the pageant isn’t going so well. Can we get a bit of coaching on the sly from Alayah? Vic is now breaking the fourth wall. Violently. And saying ‘like’ a lot. A next-morning attempt at rapprochement is equally disastrous. The ugly rumors that Vic may have artificially augmented her posterior gain a shred of credibility as she appears to have secreted a honeydew melon down the back waistband of her jeans. Squat cage or surgeon? You be the judge.

The penultimate (or penultimate+1) rose ceremony is back in LA and damn me if they haven’t gone all out with the set. The hanger looks quite impressive with the red carpet and the beacons. The easy choices come first, of course. If you’re a male Upper Paleolithic Hunter Gatherer then instinctively you understand the choice of keeping Victoria around. The prey is interesting and attractive enough but the hunt, the chase is what gets the adrenaline flowing. Victoria is elusive and evasive and therefore maddening and mysterious even if the whole of the female viewership wants to claw her eyes out. And she knows it on both fronts. Kelsey, on the other hand, has thrown herself at Peter’s feet so often he sees her every time he ties his shoelaces and therefore was always going to be a casualty. Kelsey’s ride-home reaction is, unsurprisingly, similar to her courtship demeanor – lots of pursed lips and downcast eyes. For God’s sake lighten up, lass. It ain’t all bad all the time out there.

The contrasting poses of the final three are interesting. Madison is gnawing the inside of her cheek, conflicted. Hannah has her permasmile on. Victoria is staring into the distance as usual.  Not even a proper exotic locale – the Gold Coast – can snap Madi out of her funk. We end with a show staple – a helicopter shot – and Victoria’s most oft-repeated expression and one that may well become her Bachelor epitaph and ours: ‘Are you kidding me?’

Edited February 18, 2020 by Rainsong

[leighdear]

If anybody ever doubted the extent of producer manipulation in who the lead dumps and when, THIS episode should convince them.  

Petey looked like he was about to vomit when he heard about Victoria's shenanigans, and I REALLY thought he was gong to hurl on Victoria's shoes when he gave her the rose.   

I really did not see a shred of desire, attraction or affection left in him for her.  I think the producers made him keep her.  Seriously for real.  

[rebel2u]

1 hour ago, tinkerbell said:

What if the last two standing are Madison and Hannah Ann, and Peter can't decide, because, like us, he can't tell which is which?

Maybe he'll mark the arm of one with a magic marker to distinguish her from the other the way Michael Scott did on The Office, when he and Andy each brought a waitress from their dinner to the office Christmas party and then he couldn't tell which one was his date.

[phlebas]

16 minutes ago, rebel2u said:

Maybe he'll mark the arm of one with a magic marker to distinguish her from the other the way Michael Scott did on The Office, when he and Andy each brought a waitress from their dinner to the office Christmas party and then he couldn't tell which one was his date.

Hannah Ann gets a scarlet "A" pinned to her chest.

[JudyObscure]

41 minutes ago, Rainsong said:

Unfortunately, Rick didn’t extend his fatherly advice to giving Peter a razor and instructions to get upstairs and clean up properly.

LOL That would have been so great!  I love it when the dads hate the leads.  I know my father would have said something just like that to Peter, but then he would have disowned me if I had gone on a show  where women competed for men and there was such a thing as Fantasy Suites, and it would have had nothing to do with purity, just self-respect.

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I have to  say I don't see any resemblance between Hannah Ann and Madison.

Edited February 18, 2020 by JudyObscure

[potatoradio]

11 hours ago, sauce62 said:

I guess I'm in the minority but I thought Peter was an ass for bringing that shit up to Victoria before their dinner. 

Same. And I thought she had a point (a miracle in and of itself) when she asked why he'd automatically believe some ex with super vague warnings and insist on having a talk on her parents' front porch when her family is waiting. Dude seriously needs to get in some footie pajamas and drink cheap wine at a slumber party so he doesn't miss any hot takes.

But then Victoria started winding up with her wailing and whining and....nevermind. "I'm trying sooooo haarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd...." To do what, Victoria? Squeeze some glycerin out of your eyes? Relieve your constipation? Sound convincing when you say you're falling for this dolt when it's kinda clear that both of you would ditch each other for either of the country singers? 

And I would rather watch the mess between those two than watch him play with the Hannah Ann doll, who I am not convinced is actually human and would not be surprised if she came with a twist arm for when it's time to play grown up, aka Growing Up Skipper. 

[Bobcatkitten]

His timing was bad and I did feel empathy that it was a vague accusation with no details so how do you defend yourself? But then she cried and obfuscated and I went back to not liking her. 

[valen]

10 minutes ago, potatoradio said:

Same. And I thought she had a point (a miracle in and of itself) when she asked why he'd automatically believe some ex with super vague warnings and insist on having a talk on her parents' front porch when her family is waiting. Dude seriously needs to get in some footie pajamas and drink cheap wine at a slumber party so he doesn't miss any hot takes.

But then Victoria started winding up with her wailing and whining and....nevermind. "I'm trying sooooo haarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd...." To do what, Victoria? Squeeze some glycerin out of your eyes? Relieve your constipation? Sound convincing when you say you're falling for this dolt when it's kinda clear that both of you would ditch each other for either of the country singers? 

And I would rather watch the mess between those two than watch him play with the Hannah Ann doll, who I am not convinced is actually human and would not be surprised if she came with a twist arm for when it's time to play grown up, aka Growing Up Skipper. 

I would believe someone from my real life that I trusted and had known longer than two months and had spent more than 3 total days with. He had to ask. He can't move forward without discussing it with her. Now, should he have waited until after the dinner? Maybe. Who knows if production allowed it or not.

[Captain Asshat]

Just now, valen said:

I would believe someone from my real life that I trusted and had known longer than two months and had spent more than 3 total days with. He had to ask. He can't move forward without discussing it with her. Now, should he have waited until after the dinner? Maybe. Who knows if production allowed it or not.

So, here's what I think happened, and I'm just guessing. I'm just calling producer shenanigans. As someone pointed out upthread, Peter and Victoria did not arrive at the family (not)home together. They split up right after the concert thingy for the sole purpose of having the ex be able to give him a cryptic and vague warning about Victoria. I'm further going to bet the producers pretty much told him, on the way to the family dinner, "you should really clear this up with her before you meet the family, or it will be weighing on you all night. Everyone will know something is wrong, and you won't make a good impression. Get clarity before dinner, and everything will go great!" And, like the schmuck he is, he fell for it. Of *course* they knew Victoria would go BSC ballistic. They counted on it, as well as the confused looks on Peter's face when she did.

[dirtypop90]

I didn’t have a problem with Victoria’s reaction because of how peter went about it. He was about to meet her parents but first! Let’s talk about this vague accusation my ex made about you! He’s an idiot and I don’t feel bad for him when these women go off on him because he is spineless.

 

Im also not about to brand Victoria with the letter A based on rumors. That’s dangerous. For all we know she batted her eyelashes at a dude and he went crazy for her and she’s being called a home wrecker. A lot of women are projecting when it comes to this Victoria F situation; we don’t know Victoria f or what she’s done.
 

Based on the preview I see no difference with what Madison will say and what Luke p said. I stuck up for Luke P back then. Luke was very calm when he stated his dealbreaker and Hannah b flew off the handle because of her guilt about sexing multiple men. My guess is peter will handle what Madison says more rationally so the conversation won’t look as bad. But she’s making the same ultimatum.

 

 

Edited February 18, 2020 by dirtypop90

[DEL901]

6 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

I didn’t have a problem with Victoria’s reaction because of how peter went about it. He was about to meet her parents but first! Let’s talk about this vague accusation my ex made about you! He’s an idiot and I don’t feel bad for him when these women go off on him because he is spineless.

 

Im also not about to brand Victoria with the letter A based on rumors. That’s dangerous. For all we know she batted her eyelashes at a dude and he went crazy for her and she’s being called a home wrecker. A lot of women are projecting when it comes to this Victoria F situation; we don’t know Victoria f or what she’s done.
 

Based on the preview I see no difference with what Madison will say and what Luke p said. I stuck up for Luke P back then. Luke was very calm when he stated his dealbreaker and Hannah b flew off the handle because of her guilt about sexing multiple men. My guess is peter will handle what Madison says more rationally so the conversation won’t look as bad. But she’s making the same ultimatum.

 

 

I'd guess a lot of folks have read the spoilers.

[Rebky]

14 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Fuck! Victoria? You know he wants to hit it and quit it!

He must be awfully horny to want to have sex with this psycho. Hope you don't have any bunnies Pete!!!

[nutty1]

2 hours ago, leighdear said:

If anybody ever doubted the extent of producer manipulation in who the lead dumps and when, THIS episode should convince them. 

I don’t agree. I think he truly has been fantasizing about the fantasy suite with Victoria. 

[Soobs]

3 hours ago, SoWindsor said:

I also saw no resemblance between Victoria and her family. Perhaps she is adopted. 

They also had no resemblance to each other. Someone on Twitter said it looked like they had been hired off of Craigslist, lol!

Hannah Ann seems like a slightly more grown up version of Madison. She hardly says like at all! The both seem like high school girls though.

I'm no fan of Victoria's but it was just gossip and she should have just said haters gonna hate rather than getting all lathered up about it. Peter should have kept his mouth shut until after dinner. He also seems like a teenager when it comes to relationships.

[dirtypop90]

51 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

I'd guess a lot of folks have read the spoilers.

Tv spoilers tell what happens on the show. It can’t confirm what she’s done in her personal life in the past. This all smells like a witch hunt to me.

[tinkerbell]

1 hour ago, Captain Asshat said:

So, here's what I think happened, and I'm just guessing. I'm just calling producer shenanigans. As someone pointed out upthread, Peter and Victoria did not arrive at the family (not)home together. They split up right after the concert thingy for the sole purpose of having the ex be able to give him a cryptic and vague warning about Victoria. I'm further going to bet the producers pretty much told him, on the way to the family dinner, "you should really clear this up with her before you meet the family, or it will be weighing on you all night. Everyone will know something is wrong, and you won't make a good impression. Get clarity before dinner, and everything will go great!" And, like the schmuck he is, he fell for it. Of *course* they knew Victoria would go BSC ballistic. They counted on it, as well as the confused looks on Peter's face when she did.

I wonder why the producers didn't want peter to meet Victoria's family?