JudyObscure

Yes, I like all three characters and didn't want to see the Sargent hurt. I expect maybe Phyllis prefers a gentleman who looks more like he does the Royal Canadian Air Force exercises every day.

After you said that, I had to check out Hannah's age -- she's 24. I was 20 when I got married and I didn't think that was particularly young. So, I looked up average marriage ages over the years. In the 1950's, 60's and 70's it was 20. Then it started to rise and now it's 28. Twenty eight! I'm amazed, that's the ten best child bearing years gone. Maybe that's a good thing? Anyway I think Hannah's old enough. Another interesting stat is the last four B'ettes chose the guy to whom she gave the first impression rose. I finally actually watched this episode. The massage scene was hilarious. After the other guy walks in and catches them, Hannah's closed caption says "Bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. I hardly ever say the f word bleep, bleep. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what to do, I don't know, bleep, bleep, bleep." LOL Well everyone knew she was inarticulate from her dates with Colton, but they wanted her anyway. I'll bet the producers have never worked so hard. I know, and he had to make sure she knew what a cool dude he was and how many ladies he could pull before.

Yes, I've never been less interested. I watched until about 8:05 when Hannah was talking about how real she liked everything to be as she was making a rod & reel motion with her hands, all while pronouncing real as rill. So she was "rilling in the rill," as she maintained that manic grin. I handed the remote to the man. Then I came here to read the snark and now I'm going to have to watch the darn thing online so I can see this Cam and Luke you guys keep talking about.

I think it's gross, too, but Hannah's whole claim to fame is being Miss Alabama, a title earned primarily by wearing a tiny bikini and walking down a runway while a crowd whoops and hollars and a panel of judges examines her for cellulite. You might call it this year's theme.

They managed to cover the abortion story over this whole season without one single word from the sisters about their side of the issue. The writer's message, "Women will always seek abortions, so it should be made legal," was demonstrated and repeated throughout, while the other side, "Abortion is the murder of an innocent baby, so should never be legal," wasn't so much as whispered by any of the nuns. I know they aren't Catholic, but it was, and still is, the position of many religious people, that abortion is murder and even if some people will always commit murder and sometimes get themselves killed in the process, we still don't make murder legal. Even though I'm Pro-choice and agree with the side that was shown, I thought the issue was one-sided, preachy, overly political, and very heavy handed. I love British television and all their shows that PBS buys and brings to us, but its patronizing tendency to try to teach us things is their biggest fault, left over from the days when the BBC was an arm of the government.

So it would appear that, at the end of the day, Kelly and her loyal follower, were more bitter than Reem.

I thought they all looked gorgeous too but I also wondered what weight of spackling it took to cover up all that sun damage we saw on Kelly and Aurora. That wasn't just suntan it was Chloasma, a type of pigment-gone-wild that I once had, to a much lesser degree, and it took five years to go away.

Yes, that's it exactly. Rick got back in the game, after being voted out fairly randomly, early enough so that we had a chance to see him scramble and play very hard week after week. Chris, who was voted out for making a major mistake and blabbing information, came back very late with an idol and a bunch of insider information, and only had to really strategize and scramble for one tribal.

We know him as Herman Stiles, but also the creepy Frenchman in "The Green Mile." We called the contestant Mr. Peepers, but he's before most everyone else's time. My husband got Miles Standish from his actual book-learnin', but it's amazing how many Jeopardy questions he gets right from what I call his Bugs Bunny education.

What exactly happened there? It went buy too fast for me. I didn't understand what offended Wentworth and I didn't understand what Chris was saying about some sales trick he used to talk Lauren into giving him his idol.

I loved Rick's big showy, hard scrambling game, and I liked Gavin's quiet, strategic game. That neither one won because some guy who's name I could barely remember came in at the last minute with insider info and an idol in his pocket -- maddens me. Chris's immunity move was impressive, but he really had no choice. He knew he couldn't beat Rick if he was in the final and he also knew he couldn't trust Julie or Gavin to beat Rick at the fire challenge. Chris tried to coach them but could see they weren't as good at fire making as he, himself was. I hate the fire challenge. I hate that someone can outwit, outlast and outplay for 38 days and then watch his game go up in smoke over something as random as the wind.

Another reason it's different on TV is that real life murderers are mainly idiots. This fictional doctor was intelligent enough to recognize the moment when the accumulation of evidence tipped over into a place where none of his stories about buying used knickers at fetes were going to be enough. The real criminals we see on "Dateline" and "48 Hours" would still be claiming that red box belonged to some guy named Shady G and they just happened to be in town when that other girl died.

I agree that we need to take care of the children and I was just answering the bit I quoted about the mother feeling abandoned after the baby was born and where was her support, etc. We do already have WIC coupons, food stamps, subsidized housing, Aid to Dependent Children and starter programs for children. As I said I'm in favor of free day care and medical care for everyone. It's just the sense of entitlement from some mothers that makes me ask those women why her childcare expenses all should come from others. But men aren't the ones who get pregnant and they aren't the ones who carry the child, decide whether or not to abort, or spend at least 18 year raising the child. Men also aren't the ones with a dozen good methods of birth control to chose from. Men can't go out in the cold light of a day and get something that will save them from getting anyone pregnant for three years. They can't go out the sober morning after and take a pill. All they have is permanent sterility and condoms that are not highly effective, and have to be used at the last minute when they might be drunk or high. All reasons why any woman who relies on the man to take charge of birth control is a fool.

I agree. Rachel and Des are my two favorites and they are both still with their "number two" picks. I thought Peter was Rachel's Brooks. Those two guys were both introspective, handsome guys, who always seemed slightly unobtainable. I think Rachel and Des were sort of lost in romantic dreams of those two men, but once they woke up to reality that it was just a fantasy on their part, they turned and saw the real guy who had been devoted to them all along. I think their stories were sincere and just what I watch for (besides the snark.)

Well now that we've had four or five pro-choice posts, I feel compelled to play devil's advocate for the other side. Why should the government raise certain people's children for them? I always vote for free child care and medical care for everyone, but I don't see these things as entitlements for some and not others. Birth control may not be free for everyone, but it's very inexpensive in relation to other things like hourly wages. If a young woman can afford a cute outfit to go clubbing she can afford fifty dollars for a packet of birth control pills, or a little more for something that lasts three years, or the morning after pill (which can be bought for as little as $15 some places.) There really is no reason for so many young women to need an abortion. If we pushed as much for women to take responsibility for their own bodies, as we did for their right to abortion, there would be very little need. I'm pro-choice because I don't think the government should be making the decision for anyone, but neither do I think the government owes a lifetime of financial and emotional support to a woman who has chosen to have and keep a baby. For the mothers to turn around and say to the pro-lifers, "Well you talked me into it now you have to raise it for me," is the height immaturity. It was ultimately her choice to have unprotected sex, her choice to forgo abortion, her choice to keep the baby rather than adopt it out. Now it's her responsibility to raise it. Over population is ruining the climate and the planet. Why should the government encourage it by paying for it? The argument that pro-lifers owe these women anything at all doesn't hold water. Whether or not abortion is legal is a matter of law. You can be against the death penalty without being willing to take over the financial care of the lifetime prisoner. You can be against separating immigrant families at the border without people asking you why you haven't taken any families into your home. Pro-lifers think abortion should be illegal because to them, killing a fetus is the same as killing a five year old. I believe killing a five year-old should be illegal and I can believe that without adopting a five year old. As it happens, I don't think a fetus is a "life" in that sense, but I respect those who do. The show has given us this heavy handed pro-choice message, showing us how awful back street abortion was and how much better it is for the women now that it's legal, but we still haven't heard whether Dr Turner or Sister Julianne would feel about deliberately killing a fetus. No matter what life was like at home for the mother or how much stigma the single girl might endure for keeping the baby, it might still be murdering an innocent baby in their eyes. I remember Sister Julienne watching over the thalidomide baby as it died and I think she might feel the same way about that aborted fetus. But we haven't seen that or heard her say it, it's been all about sympathy for the mothers. I just don't like way the show has pushed one agenda, and I feel like I'm being preached at.