S14.E11: The Three-Hour Live Finale

[Ripley68]

Just because Garrett liked those posts doesn't make him a neo nazi.  You can find something funny and distasteful at the same time (gross humor comes to mind).  The Bachelorette picks out the rings the 2 guys choose from, so they're not completely shocked at the choice, and they are guarenteed a ring they like. 

These 2 shared more eye contact than any of the previous ones I've seen (I started watching JoJo's season) and were way more at ease with each other on the couch than the previous 2 ladies.

[Ms Blue Jay]

8 hours ago, Jaclyn88 said:

I don't think he's violent but something about the way he speaks comes off as creepy to me . But I do think he's hot and seems nice and would have no problem finding a good girl in real life if he's really as he's portrayed on tv . 

Blake's speech patterns are a little different, and not TV ready.  He speaks very quietly and quickly, with no dynamism in his voice - it doesn't go up or down in volume or pitch to convey emotion.

I think this is why, very evidently here, some people are put off by him.  I get it.  But he's just not TV ready - that's all it means to me.  He hasn't been coached appropriately on how to speak on television.  Other people overdramatize what they're saying and really spell it out to the audience - "I'm HAPPY right now!  I'm HAPPY with Garrett!  We're so HAPPY!"  so for some reason the television audience is satisfied with that and believes it comes off as normal.

7 hours ago, atlanticslide said:

And idiotic - your partner showing that he's a homophobic asshole who believes in conspiracy theories about teenage victims of gun violence is not something you "get through." That's not a hurdle to climb over or something to work past unless you're willing to just close your eyes to it. He's not going to change.

Yeah I agree. I don't think he will either.  He just did this for the cameras and to win the show.  I've been very wrong before but I'm not sure how this one lasts.  If it does.... I mean, I've already lost respect for Becca.  Did she find out about the IG stuff BEFORE she made her decision?  If so, she had all the chances in the world to turn this around.  Maybe she really didn't like any of the other guys.

All the other recent couples are still together though, right?  To my shock.  Except for Ben and Lauren.

Edited August 7, 2018 by Ms Blue Jay

[nutty1]

I loved Becca’s dress last night. She looks really thin. Shapely Thin. I hate her! 

[jette]

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That sisters hair though ! A little gel never hurt anybody . 

Trust me, as a curly girl myself, I can assure you: no amount of gel is going to fully tame *that* much hair! I thought her hair was beautiful...

As for Becca's ring - didn't she tell CH that Garrett "had help" choosing it? I assumed she'd given him prior instructions lol...

...or what Ripley68 said!

Edited August 7, 2018 by jette
to acknowledge Ripley68's comment :)

[truthaboutluv]

9 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

I thought it was really shitty of Becca to suggest to Blake he wouldn’t be good if their future child got sick. The people who survive a lot of bad things in their childhood are often kind and sensitive to other people’s suffering ( in my experience). What makes her think Garrett would be great in a crises? He might remind her of her dad, but he’s not him.

I thought that was ridiculous and good on Blake for not telling Becca to go fuck herself. Implying that because Blake got in his head in a VERY unnatural situation, not to mention highly emotional and very manipulative environment that she's not sure he'd be able to handle a crisis like a sick child was one massive ass reach. Especially when you factor that Blake is the one who has dealt with his parents getting divorced, worse his mom having an affair with his coach, in a small town and everyone knowing about it. And you want to talk about crisis - yeah I think living through a school shooting as a teenager qualifies. 

What has Garrett experienced that gives so much indication of how he'll handle a crisis in life? In fact, Garrett is the one who has shown that when a situation got tough, i.e. his marriage, he bailed after two months. So Becca can go suck salt and continue to project her daddy issues onto Garrett and miss me with that nonsense. Honestly, I care not a lick about this damn season and I was watching the whole thing completely unbothered but that comment of hers to Blake really annoyed me and made me have a WTF moment. 

Meanwhile, I think it's hilarious how many were determined to paint Blake in this "crazy, obsessive, clinger" box and so there was all this hype of how he'd react to Becca's rejection and instead we got a pretty uneventful, boring breakup and he came across calm, sweet and very kind in his ATFR appearance. Good on you Blake. 

Edited August 7, 2018 by truthaboutluv

[atlanticslide]

5 hours ago, Wandering Snark said:

Oh, also, did Becca's sister really refer to Becca as her soulmate?

Yeah, that was weird. "You're my soulmate. And now I want you to find YOUR soulmate." Huh?

[JudyObscure]

My unpopular opinion is that I would love to have someone like Becca's sister as the next Bachelorette.  I thought she, her plump shoulders, her porcelain skin, and her fabulous hair were beautiful in a Renaissance art sort of way, and it would be fun for me to see diversity expressed in unconventional beauty rather than the usual  cookie cutter, thin woman with straight hair that all Bachelorettes must have regardless of ancestry.  The men would have to be cast after the lead was announced to be sure they could handle it, of course.

ETA: I think she meant "kindred spirit," rather than soulmate.

Edited August 7, 2018 by JudyObscure

[Jeanne222]

It should have been Jason!

[Mswldflwr]

9 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

I thought it was really shitty of Becca to suggest to Blake he wouldn’t be good if their future child got sick.

Here I am sitting here ashamed of myself once again for wasting so much time on this series.  The plain and simple fact is, how could Becca possibly know at all how either one of these men would react if a child got sick?  In reality, she has absolutely no clue because she doesn't actually know them.  

They don't even have normal everyday conversations on their way over-the-top fancy dates.  How do you get to know somebody when the only thing you talk about is a hypothetical future together or can you see him/her in your family?  Talk to each other about who you are right now and see if that's somewhere that can even take you into future kids/family.  I still think it's absurd for these to end in actual engagements.  How do you base your future real life on going on airplane rides and going to temples and taking in local culture while visiting foreign countries, all while wearing fancy gowns?  You base it on, is he going to be helpful around the house or is he a complete slob, does he still feel the need to "go out with the boys partying regularly," can he fix my car when it's broken-down, is he handy at home repairs, do I have a prayer of paying all the household bills with this guy and being able to have a somewhat comfortable life, is he controlling, respectful, kind when I'm sad/grumpy?  They decide their future without having ANY of these questions answered in regular life.  

I not got real jazzed over Garrett.  I'm even willing not to crucify Garrett over his social media postings.  I haven't really followed them because I didn't care enough to.  Number one, we've all found things funny even though we know they're reprehensible and wrong.  I, myself, have, at times, written, I'm so going to Hell for that.  And for all we know, he "liked" things just because they were a friend's post or whatever.  I'd have a bigger issue with the fact that he finds social media so important in his life.  I personally HATE social media (with the exception of TV message boards) and have so many other things going on that I think it's a stupid waste of time.   Of course, most of my youth was pre-social media, so I know that life can function just fine without it.  The whole two-month marriage, though, that would worry me a lot.  I think I'd like to hear both sides of that story before I said I do.

Never got jazzed over Blake either.  But to me, he's just an emotionally needy kid.  He'll brush himself off and be fine.  There will be lots of ladies out there willing to help end his sadness.  

As ashamed as I am to be a Bachelor/ette fan, I will return again next season.  But I've got to say, I sure hope it's not Jason or Blake as bachelor because I do have my standards.  And my shame for watching either one of them (neither of which I cared a hoot about this season) would lower the depths even deeper.

In the meantime, I'll see you at Bachelor Pad tonight.  Seems like Grocer Joe is going to fall for Kendall (per the commercials).  And I always liked her well enough, but she'd better not break Joe's heart.

[Jeanne222]

Has Garrett 's ex replied to all the shaming and claiming he gave her on national tv???

[ByTor]

12 hours ago, backformore said:

I'm behind by about an hour.  But Becca's family kept asking if Garret would "challenge"  her.  I think they see what I see - he's not very smart.  

They don't need to worry, I doubt Becca will be leading a Mensa meeting any time soon :)

[TheFinalRose]

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I disagree that Garrett is a neo Nazi or white supremacist. He liked some pictures he thought were amusing. How many guys liked the picture of Kathy Griffin holding up Trump’s bloodied head? If you’re objective, it’s just as bad. 

But that aside, Garrett seems simple. Just sort of goes along with everything, smiling the whole way. I don’t think he said more than 1 word to every hundred of Becca’s on the After the Final Rose. I’m guessing they won’t last. 

 

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I not got real jazzed over Garrett.  I'm even willing not to crucify Garrett over his social media postings.  I haven't really followed them because I didn't care enough to.  Number one, we've all found things funny even though we know they're reprehensible and wrong.  I, myself, have, at times, written, I'm so going to Hell for that.  And for all we know, he "liked" things just because they were a friend's post or whatever.  I'd have a bigger issue with the fact that he finds social media so important in his life.  I personally HATE social media (with the exception of TV message boards) and have so many other things going on that I think it's a stupid waste of time.   Of course, most of my youth was pre-social media, so I know that life can function just fine without it.

To me, Garrett has a juvenile sense of humor. A lot of young guys don't want their comedy to be restrained by political correctness, however it is interpreted, or whatever side one is on. 

He strikes me more as an excitable puppy. "Look, dolphins!" He is nothing like Arie, so in that case may be just what Becca needs. I don't see anything necessarily about their relationship that dooms it, right now. 

[Riplet68]

I kind of understand the “challenge” questions. I dated a guy who was perfect for me, smart, kind, had goals, similar interests; I ended up breaking up with him because I was bored!

what I like is that Becca said she grew to love Garrett, while Blake was from day one...so learning something about someone as opposed to being state struck.  The only thing that gives pause is the “our hearts spike to each other” quote she said about him.

garrett didn’t seem as dim last night. Hopefully a victim of editing (though probably not)

[Mabinogia]

10 hours ago, atlanticslide said:

I'm still kind of perplexed about how she came to her decision. Her only reasoning was "I was so into you that I didn't really see anyone else" which... huh? Why would you then choose someone else? 

This is what has me scratching my head because I would have thought the opposite. If there was one guy there who I was so into that I barely noticed the other guys, who, despite "dating" a dozen or so guys was the one I felt actual love feelings for, I would have wanted that show over with fast so I could propose to him and start our lives together. 

I think "Garrett reminds me of my father" got in her head and she couldn't let it go. I'm going to guess it's more of a physical reminder, because otherwise her father was an asshole and I don't want to believe that. I think she will come to regret her choice once she realizes Garrett was putting his best foot forward on the show and that's not what he's like IRL. IRL he likes everything she seems to stand for. The question will be, will she stubbornly stick it out to prove the world wrong, I think the consensus is they won't last, and to last longer than Arie and his pick. Or will she realize she made a huge mistake, eat a pick piece of humble pie and get out while she still can. 

[nutty1]

I hope they listen to Becca!

https://www.inquisitr.com/5019692/bachelorette-lovebirds-becca-kufrin-garrett-yrigoyen-reveal-their-top-pick-to-be-the-bachelor-2019-lead/

[jackjill89]

OMG -- Ryan Seacrest gave Garrett the Bachelor Handshake. Hilarious.

Becca said she did it because they have to record you walking up to them for quite a distance and she'd get so excited to see them she'd run up and "monkey" them.  Yeah. Whatever. It's so stupid.

[thesupremediva1]

Well, unpopular opinion coming: I think Becca made the right choice.

I don't think Becca is dumb or dim or anything of the sort. Garrett certainly doesn't seem like a Harvard grad but, here's a different perspective: Not everyone wants to marry someone who "challenges" them. I don't even think that played into the decision, but there is a false narrative at work here.

If someone makes you happy and makes you laugh and the relationship is simple, that is sustainable. Becca tried to challenge Arie and build a relationship on that dynamic. Look how that ended. He dumped for a blonde, beige cardboard cutout. Maybe she decided to go for something that was simply joyful, instead of fraught with deep emotions and passion. That tends to... burn out.

As a woman with many degrees whose main attribute throughout life has been my intelligence, I can tell you straight out that I want the kind of giddy simplicity Becca seems to have with Garrett. I have been challenged my whole life - by my family, by school, by work. I am effing tired. I don't want to marry someone who wants to challenge me every day, because I'd be exhausted. I've tried to date men like that. It becomes a clash of the titans with ego involved and ultimately destructive. 

It sounds like Becca and Blake were frozen in time from day 1, and she ended up feeling that the relationship wouldn't survive thawing in the real world. So she went with Garrett. I don't think Garrett is a neo-nazi due to liking IG posts, nor do I find Blake to be a stage 5 clinger who will wreck shit or stalk her. I don't even know how we've collectively arrived at such extreme conclusions. Blake loves intensely; Garrett is kind of quiet and rolls with things and might possibly end up in a van if a stranger offers him candy. Becca will have to watch him, kind of like a dog. That makes some people happy.

I was so pleased to see that their couple rendezvous were filmed, as a sort of poetic justice for Becca. Instead of the awful experience she had with Arie, she got to flaunt how happy she was. It doesn't matter if we believe it or support it or not. I'm just happy that a good and decent woman, who almost no one has a bad word for, got a triumphant ending after what was, for me, the most disgusting thing I ever watched on the franchise. 

And, for the final time, I cannot abide Becca talking to Blake like he experienced what she did with Arie. False equivalency! You did not get engaged to him and then slide into Garrett's DMs and then ambush him during a romantic weekend. END THE ARIE NARRATIVE FOREVER.

[Mabinogia]

1 minute ago, thesupremediva1 said:

It sounds like Becca and Blake were frozen in time from day 1, and she ended up feeling that the relationship wouldn't survive thawing in the real world. So she went with Garrett.

See, that's where I have my doubts. She knew it wouldn't work out with the guy she was in love with this whole time so she went with the other one. lol That there is the key to ever lasting love, quitting on the guy you did love and deciding to give the other one a shot. She even said she was so into Blake the whole time she wasn't giving the other guys a shot, so how well does she know Garrett? You know, beyond, "he reminds me of my dad". 

IDK, call me crazy, but when you were in love with one guy the day before another guy proposes, you should probably not accept that proposal just yet. And if her feelings for Blake were "bachelor bubble" feelings, and her feelings for Arie were "bachelor bubble" feelings (both of which she got over very quickly) then why does she think her feelings for Garrett are real? 

I think the ones that last aren't the ones who were still in love with more than one guy towards the end of the show. 

[thesupremediva1]

3 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

She knew it wouldn't work out with the guy she was in love with this whole time so she went with the other one. lol That there is the key to ever lasting love, quitting on the guy you did love and deciding to give the other one a shot.

This isn't how real life works. I know that. I'm working within the confines of the show and the demands of production. Girl was humiliated on national TV in March - she was getting engaged no matter what, and I don't blame her. Rachel had the same mentality and wasn't dragged so hard for it.

I think she grew to love Garrett and saw more possibilities with him, where she had reached the end of the romantic rainbow with Blake. I also think that the whole "You remind me of my father" thing was lurking beneath the surface the whole time - no one can beat that, really. And Garrett, for however vacant he may look, shrewdly kept him in the conversation the whole time.

[CindyBee]

26 minutes ago, nutty1 said:

I hope they listen to Becca!

https://www.inquisitr.com/5019692/bachelorette-lovebirds-becca-kufrin-garrett-yrigoyen-reveal-their-top-pick-to-be-the-bachelor-2019-lead/

 

That is a big plus for Jason to get Becca's seal of approval.   Def moves him near the top of the list right now but as we all know from the last two seasons, that list is fluid.

[ECM1231]

2 hours ago, nutty1 said:

I loved Becca’s dress last night. She looks really thin. Shapely Thin. I hate her! 

I envy her thin figure and those long, long shapely legs!!! Mr. ECM watched part of the finale last night and bemoaned that she was flat as a board. Lol. But then during the proposal he shocked me by saying Becca is really beautiful! He rarely says that about the contestants. Idk about beautiful  but do think Becca is very, very pretty and she did look gorgeous in that clingy gown last night.

[nutty1]

11 hours ago, atlanticslide said:

I'm still kind of perplexed about how she came to her decision. Her only reasoning was "I was so into you that I didn't really see anyone else" which... huh? Why would you then choose someone else? 

I think it is along the same lines of Des choosing Chris, though she had no choice. Sort of "I was blinded by what I thought was true love, therefore, I almost missed out on my real love".

Edited August 7, 2018 by nutty1

[leighdear]

The last thing I remember watching was Blake, sniffing on the couch with Chris and Becca.  I woke up about 2am.  *LOL*  I really don't care & don't feel I missed anything.  They'll either make it, or make excuses for why they didn't.  

On to Paradise!  

[nutty1]

Does anyone know what Garrett's tattoo says? I forced my husband to watch with me last night and truthfully, it was the only thing that interested him!

[fib]

12 hours ago, chocolatine said:

That's because the ring Garrett picked was butt-ugly and Becca visibly recoiled when she saw it.

I don't know any girl who would like that ring.  I literally know know one who wants a yellow gold ring, let alone one that has three big diamonds on it.  (Yes, a big center stone and two side stones, but the proportions are way off).  Shame on you Neil Lane, and Shame on you Garret! 

12 hours ago, backformore said:

Marrying someone who was married before?  not a big deal, it happens.  

Marrying someone whose marriage broke up after 2 months because his family and his wife didn't get along?  That's a red flag! 

Marrying someone whose marriage broke up after 2 months and lays ALL the blame on the ex?  Even worse. 

3 hours ago, nutty1 said:

Yes!  LOL. 

I disagree that Garrett is a neo Nazi or white supremacist. He liked some pictures he thought were amusing. How many guys liked the picture of Kathy Griffin holding up Trump’s bloodied head? If you’re objective, it’s just as bad. 

But that aside, Garrett seems simple. Just sort of goes along with everything, smiling the whole way. I don’t think he said more than 1 word to every hundred of Becca’s on the After the Final Rose. I’m guessing they won’t last. 

The pictures were not amusing.  They were, in turns, transphobic, hateful, misogynist, xenophobic and mean.  I don't think Garrett is a neo-nazi.  I do think he is an awful human being.  

His comment about "Carlos watering their rose bush on his lunch breaks" was icing on the cake for me that he just doesnt get it.  That's an atrocious joke to make minutes before your apology for 'mindless double tapping'. 

Ultimately, between the claim of 'mindless doubletapping' and blaming his first marriage's failure on his ex, I am pretty damn sure Garrett has an accountability problem.  Good luck with that Becca.  

[kira28]

Becca has horrible taste in men but she definately has a type. Imo Garrett and her ex look like they could be related. I believe her decision was made after the fantasy suite. Blake was a disappointing lover and that changed her mind. Garrett is a terrible choice just based on his past and how he blames everything on his ex wife. He was totally smitten when he proposed to his ex and suddenly two months later she  changed so drastically he had to file for divorce?? Doesn't even make sense. Sounds like once the honeymoon period is over his feelings take a nosedive. I felt so bad for Blake when Beccas mom knew who she was going to choose and tried to assure him he wouid be alright either way. Beccas family sure realized what a dud Garrett is. He might be pretty but he's sadly very dumb. 

[Starlight925]

Garrett has the emotional maturity of a 12 year-old boy who laughs at potty jokes.

Blaming his ex, multiple times now, shows that not only is he impulsive, but that he lacks responsibility.

Becca said that after spending time in Minnesota, and then Reno, they'd settle in California "for a few years".  Looking for fame much?

They'll do the talk show rounds, Dancing With the Stars, a few People/Us covers, before they announce that "sadly, we have come to a mutual decision to move on".

Oh, and that's the ugliest gold ring I've ever seen.  Yellow gold?  Really?  With the stupid "Past, Present, Future" thing that Garrett acted like he had never heard before.  He thought Neil Lane designed it especially for him.  Blake picked out a much better ring:  White gold (platinum?), cushion cut, small diamonds on the band.  Go Blake.

[nutty1]

I am not sure if this is where this belongs. Becca seems over the moon in love. And we get a good glimpse at the ring.

https://abc7chicago.com/entertainment/becca-and-garrett-talk-about-their-post-bachelorette-future/3900390/

[Ohwell]

I didn't think the ring was that bad-looking and I like yellow gold for the band.  I just think the diamonds were too big.  

[ByTor]

12 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

I didn't think the ring was that bad-looking and I like yellow gold for the band.  I just think the diamonds were too big.  

I like the ring a lot ?‍♀️

[SallyAlbright]

As long as Becca likes the ring, who cares? It's not what I personally would wear but it's obviously huge and pretty and shiny, and she mentions in that interview above that she loves gold. She really has been beaming on all the talk shows today, so she's either a very good actress (I don't think so) or she is actually very giddy and happy. For what it's worth, Garrett comes off a bit smarter in interviews. Someone has obviously worked with him on media training or he is not as nervous anymore. 

Edited August 7, 2018 by SallyAlbright

[OnceSane]

Let's keep the personal politics and jabs at fellow posters out of the discussion, please!  Both are against the rules and have no place on this site.  Keep it to the show and its participants.  Thanks!

[OldWiseOne]

15 hours ago, backformore said:

Is it just me, or did he (Blake) get better looking as the season went on?  

I thought it was interesting when he showed up to meet the family and as he came to the door one of them said he looked like a movie star. I'll bet most of them are a lot better looking in person, you get used to seeing beautiful people on tv so these contestants don't always stand out so much, but in person it would be a big difference.

5 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Did she find out about the IG stuff BEFORE she made her decision?  If so, she had all the chances in the world to turn this around.  Maybe she really didn't like any of the other guys.

The IG stuff came out after they had finished filming, not long after the season started to air. So she had already made her choice.

2 hours ago, fib said:

The pictures were not amusing.  They were, in turns, transphobic, hateful, misogynist, xenophobic and mean.  I don't think Garrett is a neo-nazi.  I do think he is an awful human being.  

His comment about "Carlos watering their rose bush on his lunch breaks" was icing on the cake for me that he just doesnt get it.  That's an atrocious joke to make minutes before your apology for 'mindless double tapping'.

He calls it mindless double tapping but he wouldn't be seeing those things on IG unless he searched them out or was following those accounts. So why follow accounts that post that kind of crap unless you agree with it?

[backformore]

1 hour ago, Ohwell said:

I didn't think the ring was that bad-looking and I like yellow gold for the band.  I just think the diamonds were too big.  

I like her ring. 

There was a time when yellow gold was popular, and silver/white gold were more unusual. Then times changed, and gold was not a popular choice. I read that gold is coming back in style now.

Not that it matters in the long run. I think it will end up returned.

Edited August 7, 2018 by backformore

[Cornhusker12]

When I first heard about Garrett's social media likes, I assumed he would be a cocky hateful asshole like Lee a couple seasons ago. As it turned out, he was something much much more common - a dummy with no critical thinking skills. There are SO many people out there who, as someone mentioned a few pages ago, are so quick to take on the ideas and beliefs of whoever they are around at the time. That's the vibe I get from Garrett. I'm sure before the show he was (and possibly still is) a conservative Trump guy, but I think he's the kind of person who sees Fox News on at the local bars/restaurants, doesn't consider himself hateful but just "calls it like it is," and has never had those beliefs challenged and never thought about the memes he liked for more than 3 seconds at a time. That's why to him they were just "mindless double-taps" even though the content was absolute garbage. He was probably just like "OMG that's so wrong! LOL" 

I don't get the sense that he's out there reading and believing neo-Nazi literature or anything, he's just gone his whole life with a dumb smile on his face being patted on his head by his family and being influenced by the people around him and the batshit propaganda that's lured in more and more people over the past decade+. Unfortunately there are a TON of Garretts in America right now. 

So after watching him in the show, I think it's pretty clear that he's a very dumb and uninformed person, rather than a purely hateful bigot. I also think that Becca was totally blinded by the fact that he reminded her of her dad with his love of fishing and... I don't remember what else. After being dumped in such a traumatic way she gravitated toward someone in whom she felt the comfort of her dad and her home. I get that, and for some reason I really do think that she can "teach" Garrett that his old ways of thinking were harmful and idiotic. He doesn't seem all that cocky or indoctrinated into this belief system, and I think whatever Becca told him he'd just blankly smile and be like "oh! ok! yeah! I never thought of it that way!"

All that being said, I don't see them lasting at all. For someone who is actually passionate about her beliefs and will end up wanting a "teammate" instead of a golden retriever once everything dies down, I imagine Becca will break off the engagement and end up with someone who complements her life instead of an easily malleable dummy.

Edited August 7, 2018 by huskerj12

[NoWhammies]

9 minutes ago, huskerj12 said:

When I first heard about Garrett's social media likes, I assumed he would be a cocky hateful asshole like Lee a couple seasons ago. As it turned out, he was something much much more common - a dummy with no critical thinking skills. There are SO many people out there who, as someone mentioned a few pages ago, are so quick to take on the ideas and beliefs of whoever they are around at the time. That's the vibe I get from Garrett. I'm sure before the show he was (and possibly still is) a conservative Trump guy, but I think he's the kind of person who sees Fox News on at the local bars/restaurants, doesn't consider himself hateful but just "calls it like it is," and has never had those beliefs challenged and never thought about the memes he liked for more than 3 seconds at a time. That's why to him they were just "mindless double-taps" even though the content was absolute garbage. I don't get the sense that he's out there reading and believing neo-Nazi literature or anything, he's just gone his whole life with a dumb smile on his face being patted on his head by his family and being influenced by the people around him and the batshit propaganda that's lured in more and more people over the past decade+. Unfortunately there are a TON of Garretts in America right now. 

Watching him in the show, I think it's pretty clear that he's a very dumb and uninformed person, rather than a purely hateful bigot. I also think that Becca was totally blinded by the fact that he reminded her of her dad with his love of fishing and... I don't remember what else. After being dumped in such a traumatic way she gravitated toward someone in whom she felt the comfort of her dad and her home. I get that, and for some reason I really do think that she can "teach" Garrett that his old ways of thinking were harmful and idiotic. He doesn't seem all that cocky or indoctrinated into this belief system, and I think whatever Becca told him he'd just blankly smile and be like "oh! ok! yeah! I never thought of it that way!"

All that being said, I don't see them lasting at all. For someone who is actually passionate about her beliefs and will end up wanting a "teammate" instead of a golden retriever once everything dies down, I imagine Becca will break off the engagement and end up with someone who complements her life instead of an easily malleable dummy.

This. I think he's too dumb to have any real political belief. He just sort of goes whatever way he sees people he likes or admires go. I knew a guy like that once. Okay - he's my ex-husband. It took me a while to figure out that silence wasn't deep thinking - it was stupidity.

 

Hated the ring. Super bored with the finale. Did a lot of fast forwarding. I think Becca picked the one she thought was least likely to dump her on national television again. 

[proserpina65]

2 hours ago, Ohwell said:

I didn't think the ring was that bad-looking and I like yellow gold for the band.  I just think the diamonds were too big.  

There's nothing wrong with yellow gold, but I don't care for diamonds.

[Arkay]

I don't hate Garrett per se, but I truly wish she had picked Blake. To my surprise, the hate I feel bubbling within is for Becca. This started welling up in me when she allowed a sensitive, sincere soul like Blake to carry on with Step One of the proposal: Praise Becca. I know it's a show and all that, but other proposers have been humanely stopped before they lacerated themselves so publicly. 

I especially hated Becca when she gave her Right Reason send off to Blake by telling him that since he often gets in his head, she couldn't trust him in future emergencies, such as something happening to a child. Say what now? As other posters have commented, it is BLAKE who survived several childhood traumas and appears to still be a sane and caring individual. It is BLAKE who would be able to be a teammate and survival expert for Becca. 

I also hated Chris Harrison, as I often do, but last night he was so egregiously hideous. I'm sure he learned in Bachelor Host 101 how to simultaneously show both glee and insincere sympathy, , but this imaginary "worst, heartbreaking, raw, difficult to watch breakdown" just struck me as a typical aftermath of an unexpected breakup. Exacerbated, of course, by wearing a suit and tie on the Equator and the resulting fountains of  sweat. When Blake was sitting briefly with blank eyes, I was assuming that now we would see the fainting, the murder, the self-harm, or whatever was insinuated by Chris Harrison. But no, fade to the live broadcast and here was Blake, kind of sad but also, fine.

[jackjill89]

55 minutes ago, backformore said:

I like her ring. 

There was a time when yellow gold was popular, and silver/white gold were more unusual. Then times changed, and gold was not a popular choice. I read that gold is coming back in style now.

Not that it matters in the long run. I think it will end up returned.

Yup -- for decades yellow gold was the color of choice. Both yellow gold and rose gold are becoming more popular after years of platinum and white gold. 

My mom's wedding ring is platinum -- married in 1950. My sisters' and my rings -- 70s/80s are yellow gold. My nieces' post 2005 are all white gold. Just like wedding dresses, engagement rings go in and out of style. There was a time when solitaire diamonds were very popular too, now rings are more ornate. 

[BuckeyeLou]

13 hours ago, Wandering Snark said:

Oh, also, did Becca's sister really refer to Becca as her soulmate?

That was Such a Weird comment for a sister to make....don't people usually use the term "Soulmate" in a Romantic sense?  You call a Lover or Spouse your "Soulmate"....

[JenE4]

4 hours ago, Sterling said:

 

Oh, and that's the ugliest gold ring I've ever seen.  Yellow gold?  Really?  With the stupid "Past, Present, Future" thing that Garrett acted like he had never heard before.  He thought Neil Lane designed it especially for him.  Blake picked out a much better ring:  White gold (platinum?), cushion cut, small diamonds on the band.  Go Blake.

That’s a pretty big-ass “past” diamond for having only known each other for about 6 weeks. Then again, the “future” Diamond is the same size, so I guess it checks out. 

[Quickbeam]

Just watched this train wreck. My overriding impression was that I like Becca in evening wear since it prevents the Bachelor Handshake. 

[Mabinogia]

1 minute ago, Quickbeam said:

My overriding impression was that I like Becca in evening wear since it prevents the Bachelor Handshake. 

Haha, for a second I was all, "What, no Bachelor Handshake" then remembered you can't really do that in a full length gown. She must have been so confused as to how to greet them. 

[SassyCat]

I have a theory that I haven't seen touched on yet in this thread. I am speaking of the end of the show where Chris bestows the happy couple with gifts. Just before that, he looks at becca and says "Is there anything, any news, you want to share with the audience?" 

She looks  him, then turns and looks at Garrett, and kind of blows it all off, changing the subject. Then Chris gives them a vacation in Thailand, as a gift. I may be wrong, but I don't recall any other couple getting a gift like that. THEN... Chris says he had ANOTHER gift for them outside , and they  get followed by the cameras when they find the "family style" minivan that Garrett arrived in as their other gift. I could have sworn I saw a child's car seat in the back seat of that van. I think Becca is already pregnant, and Chris was hoping she'd spill the beans last night. 

If anybody has this recorded, please rewatch the end and tell me if I'm right..re: the child's car seat.

Also,  I have the feeling Joe the grocer will be picked as  the new bachelor. At least he had personality.

[TheFinalRose]

23 minutes ago, SassyCat said:

I may be wrong, but I don't recall any other couple getting a gift like that.

I don't recall any other winner being set up to be broken up with while cameras ran. The franchise wants to be seen being good to her since they were so bad to her. 

[Token]

Was that The Most Boring Finale Ever?!!?  A snotty, sad #2?  Big shock, that's NEVER happened before.

Please, please, please, don't make Blake the Bachelor.  Just listening to his rambling babbling, and seeing his dead-eyed looks (that is, when he can even make eye contact with anyone) makes me fear for his mental health.  The guy is seriously messed up.

I did love watching Becca's family being faced with these two idiots..... what a choice!  Dummy Nazi Garrett or Psycho Blake?  Gee, Becca, you really do have great taste in men.  We'd love to welcome one of these lunatics into the family!!!  

[Mswldflwr]

37 minutes ago, SassyCat said:

If anybody has this recorded, please rewatch the end and tell me if I'm right..re: the child's car seat.

 

Yes, there was a car seat in the van filled with soccer balls and sporting equipment.  But Garrett also had all that in there the night he showed up at the mansion with it to show Becca he was ready for kids.

[threebluestars]

I was so bored that after Blake was sent packing I turned it off and went to bed.

I wish the show would go for fun and hilarious rather than crying all the time. The bloopers at the end are way better than the actual show episodes. I want some FUN in my Bachelor/ette. This was painful.

[Token]

The only challenge Becca is going to have is trying not to kill him as he spends 5 hours trying to complete a coherent sentence.  Listening to his BS explanation about the social media stuff was just painful and Becca just turned into his mouthpiece.  Congrats Garrett, you've gained your own PR person.

[Kiss my mutt]

Did Becca bother to ask either of them who they voted for?