S12.E16: An Unexpected Thaw

[pieinmyeye]

10 hours ago, Cranky One said:

Another Lydiotism...Iceland looks like Mississippi. Um, no. I live in Mississippi and they aren't quite the same.

I’ve been one from one end of Mississippi to the other. I have yet to see a glacier or a snow topped mountain. Any mountains for that matter.

[Ubiquitous]

3 hours ago, lunastartron said:

No, Tamra made that assertion about Jim Bellino during her feud with Alexis and Heather offered nary a criticism of the tactic. During one of the early season 8 scenes before Alexis had reintegrated into the group, Tamra and Heather expressed shock that Alexis was threatening litigation against Tamra for the J Jugs epithet. That was obfuscation on their part; the Bellinos floated the possibility of legal action against Tamra because she was alleging that Jim used his companies as a cover for a localized drug outfit. 

I had totally forgotten about that! Thanks for reminding me.

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

The glacier was amazing. I thought it was interesting Megan asked how climate change has effected it. Who the fuck peed on the glacier? Do these women all have thimble sized bladders? Why can they never hold their urine? Or manage their bathroom time better? 

I suspect their need to urinate is the result of being intoxicated.

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Of course VICKI gets an ambulance while on vacation. I guess she really wanted an Icelandic casserole. 

I hope Vicki's Icelandic casserole is made with fermented shark.

[zoeysmom]

The lack of maturity in Lydia was apparent when meeting someone named Olaf and her mind went to a snowman, presumably in a Disney cartoon.  I don't think she realizes that Olaf is not all that uncommon a name in Scandinavian circles.  

[Cherrio]

Fermented Vicki

Chunks, covered in chocolate, sprinkles and sparkles.

Sent to Lydiot as a thank you.

Caution, most of it is very chewy due to all the plastic surgery.

[bichonblitz]

Not believing Tamra excluding Lydia from the group text was an oversight. She sure didn't forget to include Vicki, her nemesis. 

That said, Lydia throwing the menu's was childish. There were a million better ways she could have handled that. 

[Emmeline]

11 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

O.M.F.G.! Kelly Dodd just revealed (on WWHL) that Vicki said Terry Dubrow kills people on the operating table and that’s why Heather was mad!

I don’t know if he ever killed anyone, but he only has 2-1/2 stars on yelp with some very negative comments.  Dr. Nassif has. 4-1/2.

[biakbiak]

In some interview Kelly mentioned that Tamra and Shannon were awful during the trip and refused to go to a special dinner of local specialties, neglecting to mention it was after a huge long day of travel and making it seem like they threw a fit which is why I can't stand Kelly.

[Mu Shu]

19 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

I don’t know if he ever killed anyone, but he only has 2-1/2 stars on yelp with some very negative comments.  Dr. Nassif has. 4-1/2.

Yelp is crap.  No one with a brain uses it for advice on medical care.  Plenty of idiots with axes to grind use it.

[FamilyVan]

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Vicki is like the definition of the boy who cried wolf. She could actually be sick but who knows with all her faking

Maybe she was sick, maybe not.  But last year, after Vicki was injured while riding ATV's, the group was sort of starting to come back together and make up, and Vicki said in one of her talking heads the accident was leading to her getting her friends back.  So maybe she remembered how that played out and thought it would be a good idea to recreate it.  If she was seriously hurt again, maybe they could all make up again.  I know it sounds evil to suggest this, but I could see her doing this.  Or at the very least, maybe she was feeling sick but dialed it up a bit to capitalize on it.  

[esco1822]

When Lydia mentioned feeling like Sleeping Beauty in that super boring room she got, I only wished that she actually became Sleeping Beauty so she would go to sleep in Iceland and we wouldn't have to hear her or see her elfin face for a while.  The question is, in her Disney fantasy, is it Doug or Olaf (the snowman, not the tour guide) that actually awakens her? I'm voting for the fictional Olaf so the Lydia problem will just take care of itself. 

[yourmomiseasy]

1 hour ago, Mu Shu said:

I read that Icelanders don’t eat that rotten shark.  It was survival food in far away olden times.  Its like no modern Cajun would eat squirrel head gumbo.   I’ll give them all, even the Ick, a pass on that one.

i did not read that Icelandic men have big units.  Do tell Megan.  Maybe flopsey can write about strapping Icelandic men with huge weiners and proudly swinging balls.  Is that the story deballed Doug wanted her to break?

tamra is such a heifer.  She did that to Lydia deliberately, but I’m not mad at her.

heres your bible verse, Lydia.  

 

Jesus Wept.

now fuck right off with your Gretchen ass Weiner self.  

I thought Kelly was talking about the big dicks, but maybe I just assumed because she's so trashy.

 

Upon further thought, maybe everything would have been better if Tamara ran after Lydia and prayed over her just like Lydia does to the aggrieved party on the rare occasion shit is stirred by someone other than her.

[VioletMarx]

14 hours ago, Eater of Worlds said:

 People probably thought them idiots for wearing them.

They were correct.

[esco1822]

Here's a link to the article in Nobleman about Iceland that Lydia did not write or seemingly contribute to at all. 

http://noblemanmagazine.com/iceland/

[njbchlover]

12 hours ago, Thumper said:

Plus, she is worried about all the heart stuff.  Makes a person anxious.  Feeling alienated from the group ---> stressful.

Not a Vicki fan, and I know she is dramatic, but I can understand this as a culmination of many things.

I'm not a Vicki fan, either, but she looked really, really bad in her room.  I don't know if she was vomiting or just gagging, but she looked extremely pale, her hair was all sweaty and she just looked awful.

I'm assuming it was a combination of everything, but when you know already that you may have some heart issues, anything else that goes wrong can set you into an immediate panic/anxiety attack, which really doesn't help, because your heart races and beats like crazy during either one of those attacks.

I seriously don't think she was playing sick this time.

[Mindthinkr]

Vicki looked like her hangover caught up with her. 

[Pop Tart]

I think Vicki was really feeling ill, but I'm also sure she was playing it up as far worse then it actually was in order to garner sympathy. Having now heard what Vicki was saying about Terry while they were on the Ireland trip, I better understand why Tamra, Shannon and Heather don't ever want to make it up with Vicki. At the time they were filming that trip last year, Vicki was becoming aware of just how bad things were going with her "Brooks has cancer" storyline. By those final episodes and the reunion she knew it was all tanking and she and Brooks were looking very, very bad. So she systematically began to try and take down the other women's husbands - and she attempted to do so while they were on camera. She did so through her mouthpiece Kelly, but it's clear that it was all coming from Vicki. She got the rumor out there about Eddie being gay (which to me is no great calumny, but to her and Tamra, clearly was), she got the scandal restarted about whether David beat Shannon, and now we hear that she tried to smear Terry as well. Clearly she was willing to do anything to take the focus off of Brooks.

[zoeysmom]

Was there something terribly important on the group text that would cause the reaction Lydia had?  I do think perhaps Lydia might have a touch of paranoia. Then again she goes on to blame Shannon:  

When we went to my room for a night cap, and I heard about the group text, my feelings were definitely hurt. I’m an inclusive person, and apparently, I’m really sensitive about being left out. I simply found it odd that someone wouldn’t text the host but would text everyone else. In my mind, I’m thinking, “Why would Tamra leave me out? Did they all want to talk behind my back?” It wasn’t a good feeling, and I had planned to bring it up to Tamra the next day.  

The next day at lunch, I went to the table, and Shannon was sitting there, whispering to Tamra about it. This was annoying because I didn’t want to make it into a big ordeal. When Tamra is defensive and not hearing my heart, I am extremely frustrated. I feel like I didn’t want it to be a big deal, and somehow the situation spun out and became a scene. I was also frustrated that she was dismissing my feelings. I guess I was just looking for a simple apology. I never should have thrown the menu, and I regret losing my temper.

I don't recall Shannon whispering but damn if Lydia can't make a mountain out of a molehill.  I think it is time for Lydia to lay off of Shannon.  She can't seem to take the hint when she oversteps.  It is either forcing herself to attend something she does not believe in such as wearing costumes or psychics.    

To me, Lydia is a condescending spoiled brat.  Whenever she is not paid her view of proper deference she becomes a nasty little piece of work.  Meghan had remedied the situation the night before-why even bring it up?  Shannon explaining it to Tamra does not make Shannon in the wrong, the idea she even reacted in the first place is what was odd.  

Why is Peggy part of the trip?  This woman has no concept of how reality TV works.  Yes, Peggy, people need to speak in order to make a show.   Even Shannon gets to speak.

[biakbiak]

5 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

This was annoying because I didn’t want to make it into a big ordeal.

Please Lydia you were near tears the night before and brought it up several times. Shannon was giving Tamra a heads up because everyone else knew she was upset about it but seriously Lydia will find away to blame Shannon for everything, she was clearly let down that it wasnt Shannon who had initiated the text so she could bitch about her more to the group.

Also, how many texts could have been in it? Tamra started it to show off her Japanese bathtub and she was added just after dinner.

[HunterHunted]

16 hours ago, Eater of Worlds said:

All I could think about with those Viking helmets is that Vikings didn't wear horns.  People probably thought them idiots for wearing them.

16 hours ago, enchantingmonkey said:

All I could think about them wearing those Viking helmets was how they were doing a good job of perpetuating the "Stupid Americans" stereotype.  

9 hours ago, film noire said:

They looked like demented German opera singers.

 

 

We can thank the first production of Wagner's Ring Cycle at the Bayreuth Festival (an annual festival to celebrate Wagner's operas) and Bugs Bunny for the enduring popularity of the horned viking helmets. Because the characters of the Ring Cycle are most popularly associated with Norse mythology and vikings, people have come to conflate the horned helmets with vikings.

[esco1822]

18 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Please Lydia you were near tears the night before and brought it up several times. Shannon was giving Tamra a heads up because everyone else knew she was upset about it but seriously Lydia will find away to blame Shannon for everything, she was clearly let down that it wasnt Shannon who had initiated the text so she could bitch about her more to the group.

It's really so freaking ridiculous. Her blog says something unicorn-y like that she wanted to talk to Tamra herself because she gets frustrated when Tamra isn't "hearing [her] heart" and that Shannon saying something was making it into a big deal. I actually appreciated Shannon giving her a heads up so she could (and did) nip it quickly before it got more out of hand. Lydia was upset and it WAS a big deal to her. Obviously it was a big enough deal that somebody else in the group felt the need to tell Shannon about it.  So maybe Lydia should be upset with whomever told Shannon and let them know it wasn't cool because she was planning on bringing it up to Tamra herself...allegedly? It's all part of the gaslighting Shannon initiative. 

[nexxie]

4 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Not believing Tamra excluding Lydia from the group text was an oversight. She sure didn't forget to include Vicki, her nemesis. 

That said, Lydia throwing the menu's was childish. There were a million better ways she could have handled that. 

Tamra is really stirring the shit now - with Lydia and Shannon, who both imagine that she’s actually their friend. Sssssssssnake!

15 hours ago, jaybird2 said:

maybe producers were afraid of liability...it's a serious accusation 

Definitely! 

Kelly said it was on camera and no doubt it was - but it wasn’t aired.

[Wicked]

I am not a Lydia fan, and she shouldn't have thrown the menus, but I understand her being upset.  She wasn't included in that dinner, then they joked about it in front of her at the balls voyage party.  It sucks to feel like people just don't even think of you.  It would almost be better if they just said, "we don't like you so we didn't include you." To just say, "oh, we forgot you" hurts more, imo.  And I totally get that she didn't feel validated by Tamara.  I don't think that I'm a terribly sensitive person, but in the same circumstance, especially because it happened with the dinner too, and because it was HER trip, I would be hurt too.  But she's still an awful person. 

[WordsWordsWords]

I hate having to defend Lydia more than I can possibly say, but when she said that Iceland "looked like Mississippi," the view she had in mind was the one by the hotel, the one shown onscreen as she said it -- a flat, marshy bayou of sorts. And, yes, it looked like Mississippi. *makes gagging noise at having to defend Lydia*

I'd have been asking all those same questions on the van ride from the airport to the hotel, too. Be quiet, Peggy.

Throwing menus is always the proper Christian response to a minor slight. /sarcasm

When I was a girl, my family had a boarder from Iceland for nearly a year. He was in the States getting training with my father's fire department to take back to the airport fire department in Reykjavik. Ever since then, I've wanted to visit Iceland. I loved the scenery in this episode. :)

Edited October 24, 2017 by WordsWordsWords
Needed to fix spacing

[Mu Shu]

I am from SW Louisiana, and I’ve never seen a bayou that looked like Iceland.  No part of it.

lydia needs to borrow Peggy’s feeling pot, whatever the fuck that is, and stop whining about Tamra ignoring her tweeny feels.  Tamra will use you until she feels you’re not useful anymore.  That’s what’s happening, kid.  You both might be “sisters in Christ”, but Tamra is more Old Testament and quid pro quo than touchy feely and forgiving.  No one to date has been able to handle that snake, and you are no Steve Irwin.  Quit while you’re still a few steps behind. 

[HunterHunted]

3 minutes ago, Wicked said:

I am not a Lydia fan, and she shouldn't have thrown the menus, but I understand her being upset.  She wasn't included in that dinner, then they joked about it in front of her at the balls voyage party.  It sucks to feel like people just don't even think of you.  It would almost be better if they just said, "we don't like you so we didn't include you." To just say, "oh, we forgot you" hurts more, imo.  And I totally get that she didn't feel validated by Tamara.  I don't think that I'm a terribly sensitive person, but in the same circumstance, especially because it happened with the dinner too, and because it was HER trip, I would be hurt too.  But she's still an awful person. 

I get why she feels that way even if I think it's ridiculous, but Lydia seems determined to lay blame at Shannon's feet for everything. But for Shannon mentioning it to Tamra, Lydia never would received any type of apology. It's so freaking clear that Team VickShit has been trying to gaslight Shannon all season and make Shannon appear to be this Machiavellian villain. However, the lengths they've gone to and ways they've had to contort situations to get that result are ridiculous. The worst part about it is that if they had left Shannon alone they'd have way more evidence of Shannon being bitter and trying to manipulate Tamra into maintaining the feud with Vicki. But in trying to manipulate the situation, they've made Shannon far more sympathetic. 

[notnowimbusy]

Did Peggy do anything besides tell Kelly to be quiet?  I forgot she was even there. 

[Baltimore Betty]

I've been to Iceland twice, (once for a vacation and one by mistake) and I got to see a bit of nature but nothing like what the Housewives saw, it was amazing, I want a do over! If Lydia went to Iceland to write an article I did not see her write anything down or even take a picture, so what did she do for the magazine in Iceland?  

I am not sure but where could one get a casserole in Iceland for Vicki?  Seriously, a lady heart attack often involves nausea and sweating so good for who ever called for help.  

[ghoulina]

44 minutes ago, WordsWordsWords said:

hate having to defend Lydia more than I can possibly say, but when she said that Iceland "looked like Mississippi," the view she had in mind was the one by the hotel, the one shown onscreen as she said it -- a flat, marshy bayou of sorts. And, yes, it looked like Mississippi. *makes gagging noise at having to defend Lydia*

This is the view from the dining room there. I doubt there are mountains like this is MS. 

[Bronzedog]

28 minutes ago, notnowimbusy said:

Did Peggy do anything besides tell Kelly to be quiet?  I forgot she was even there. 

That’s what I consider a good show.

[Mindthinkr]

35 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

If Lydia went to Iceland to write an article I did not see her write anything down or even take a picture, so what did she do for the magazine in Iceland?

Spent their money. The article that did appear in the magazine was by an author named Smith. 

Hope y'all are impressed that I didn't use the 9 letter "c" word! Applaud all of you that did. 

[sheetmoss]

Oy, if Lydia represent 'being a good Christian'... I think she needs a refresher

Looking back, I'm wondering  if the maligned Slade and Briana's Ryan were onto something seasons  back getting Lydia's nasty number?  Still  think her  mom acted liked an entitled asshole putting feet up on furniture at Vicki's house.

Liking that Meghan is filling the Heather role being a good & gracious sport in foreign land.  She was savvy  enough to enjoy the experience of  being able to say she tried the fermented shark and puffin  in Iceland.

Kelly was too

Edited October 24, 2017 by sheetmoss

[b2H]

15 hours ago, remmybrat said:

Doesn't Vicki carry Nitrostat with her for her heart? I have a heart problem and always have on hand in case I need it.

I'm not sure her condition requires anything that complex.  My daughter had atrial and ventricular premature heartbeat and tachydardia - all she was ever prescribed was atenolol.  Vicky has a murmur - there really isn't much to be done about that.  I agree with previous folks who said, after drinking all night and hiking all day, her heart was protesting the strenuous exercise and lack of fluids.

[Natalie68]

20 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Nothing says "girls trip" like a cranky baby

Well it WAS Lydia's trip.  Couldn't leave her in the OC.

[Ubiquitous]

4 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Was there something terribly important on the group text that would cause the reaction Lydia had?  I do think perhaps Lydia might have a touch of paranoia. Then again she goes on to blame Shannon:  

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When we went to my room for a night cap, and I heard about the group text, my feelings were definitely hurt. I’m an inclusive person, and apparently, I’m really sensitive about being left out. I simply found it odd that someone wouldn’t text the host but would text everyone else. In my mind, I’m thinking, “Why would Tamra leave me out? Did they all want to talk behind my back?” It wasn’t a good feeling, and I had planned to bring it up to Tamra the next day.  

Wasn't there a big deal about Lydia not inviting someone to something?

[eclectcmoi]

43 minutes ago, sheetmoss said:

Liking that Meghan is filling the Heather role being a good & gracious sport in foreign land.  She was savvy  enough to enjoy the experience of  being able to say she tried the fermented shark and puffin  in Iceland.

 

Meghan peed on a glacier too and had the grace to do it without squealing or making a big deal about it.  When ya gotta go, ya gotta go.

Did anyone else catch the breathy, sexy hello Kelly (at least I think it was Kelly) gave the guy who greeted them right after they stepped out of the van at the lodge?  I think gf might have been a bit twitterpated. 

1 hour ago, notnowimbusy said:

Did Peggy do anything besides tell Kelly to be quiet?  I forgot she was even there. 

And it was lovely... seen and not heard for the most part.  Now if only Lydia would get that memo.  They both annoy the ever living crap outta me. 

[Duke2801]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I've been to Iceland twice, (once for a vacation and one by mistake) and I got to see a bit of nature but nothing like what the Housewives saw, it was amazing, I want a do over! If Lydia went to Iceland to write an article I did not see her write anything down or even take a picture, so what did she do for the magazine in Iceland?  

I am not sure but where could one get a casserole in Iceland for Vicki?  Seriously, a lady heart attack often involves nausea and sweating so good for who ever called for help.  

I'm so jealous - Iceland is on my bucket list!  Did you do the hot springs?  

Yeah there is NO way that Lydia was ever going to "write an article" for the magazine -- that was totally a producer-type setup just to give them a "reason" to go there.  

2 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

Did Peggy do anything besides tell Kelly to be quiet?  I forgot she was even there. 

Yes, me too. And that is a GOOD thing! 

I agree that Megan and (shockingly) Kelly were the only ones who acted even somewhat interested in learning about the culture of Iceland. Still love me some Shannon, but those Viking helmets were embarrassing.  

[snarts]

Altitude sickness, hangover, anxiety attack, whatever, Vicki was looking rough. She's 55, pale & sweaty, complaining that she's out of breath and her arm is numb.  Of course they called an ambulance, you don't take any chances when it comes to potential heart attacks.  Looking back, she seemed subdued throughout the day and the the trek they made on the glacier at that elevation is no joke.  

They were only gone 4 days, right?  Is that too long to stockpile breast milk?  I know I'd be pissed if someone brought a baby on a supposed "girls trip". 

Iceland travel porn was what this group needed.  This was the first episode I stayed awake to watch in its entirety.  Now if we could please have the inevitable Tamra/Shannon friendship breakdown, this season will be almost salvageable.  You know Tamra sick to death of pretending to be her friend.  

[Emmeline]

Does anyone know what time of year they are on this trip?  I would love to see the Aurora Borealis but the only way I will probably do it in on a screen.  I read the best time to see it is November through March.  That is a four star hotel they are in and very costly.  Even a stand room is $1100 USD.

[BodhiGurl]

4 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Please Lydia you were near tears the night before and brought it up several times. Shannon was giving Tamra a heads up because everyone else knew she was upset about it but seriously Lydia will find away to blame Shannon for everything, she was clearly let down that it wasnt Shannon who had initiated the text so she could bitch about her more to the group.

Also, how many texts could have been in it? Tamra started it to show off her Japanese bathtub and she was added just after dinner.

I also feel Lydia was really ticked off that she couldn’t blame Shannon for the text situation - thus she couldn’t lay into Shannon yet again, rather she’d have to deal with Tamra who couldn’t give a poop about it, aka, Lydiot won’t get a rise out of Tams like she does with Shannon. Really over Lydia for so many reasons, but her constant gaslighting of Shannon is deplorable. Ugh.

[snarts]

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Does anyone know what time of year they are on this trip? 

Based on the 20+ hours of daylight, close to the summer solstice in June.

[biakbiak]

15 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

Does anyone know what time of year they are on this trip?  I would love to see the Aurora Borealis but the only way I will probably do it in on a screen.  I read the best time to see it is November through March.  That is a four star hotel they are in and very costly.  Even a stand room is $1100 USD.

You are in luck you can stay 4 nights with breakfast for that price from Sept. To April.

[Juneau Gal]

10 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

Does anyone know what time of year they are on this trip?  I would love to see the Aurora Borealis but the only way I will probably do it in on a screen.  I read the best time to see it is November through March.  That is a four star hotel they are in and very costly.  Even a stand room is $1100 USD.

Since the sun was up for 20 hours, it was the summer. To see the Northern Lights you need to go in winter, when it is dark. The Northen Lights can be seen in fairly southern latitudes, but not reliably. Even in northern latitudes there, of course, is no guarantee. We have a website to follow in Alaska that rates the chance of Lights each night and where they will most likely be seen. It’s a crapshoot. We just have trained ourselves that if we are up for some reason in the middle of the night, to look outdoors and check for the lights. Most of us also have a phone tree of local people to call if we see the lights; otherwise all you hear for days after is “Why didn’t you call me?!” 

They are fascinating to see, but nothing like the photos you see of them. The camera picks up colors in the lights that the eye does not. 

[Emmeline]

10 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

You are in luck you can stay 4 nights with breakfast for that price from Sept. To April.

 

11 minutes ago, Juneau Gal said:

Since the sun was up for 20 hours, it was the summer. To see the Northern Lights you need to go in winter, when it is dark. The Northen Lights can be seen in fairly southern latitudes, but not reliably. Even in northern latitudes there, of course, is no guarantee. We have a website to follow in Alaska that rates the chance of Lights each night and where they will most likely be seen. It’s a crapshoot. We just have trained ourselves that if we are up for some reason in the middle of the night, to look outdoors and check for the lights. Most of us also have a phone tree of local people to call if we see the lights; otherwise all you hear for days after is “Why didn’t you call me?!” 

They are fascinating to see, but nothing like the photos you see of them. The camera picks up colors in the lights that the eye does not. 

That would be disappointing to go during the appropriate time and still not get to see it.  I read that during the night you can have the front desk call in the event they show.  I would never make a journey like that for the short time the housewives were going.  I did see some lower prices for the standard rooms on trip advisor.  I usually like a sitting room but those global suites are not worth.  Thank you both for the info.

[WordsWordsWords]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

This is the view from the dining room there. I doubt there are mountains like this is MS. 

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True -- but in the foreground, you can see see the marsh I think she was talking about.

[KLovestoShop]

20 hours ago, Eater of Worlds said:

All I could think about with those Viking helmets is that Vikings didn't wear horns.  People probably thought them idiots for wearing them.

They’re a couple of horney babes. 

[HunterHunted]

56 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

I also feel Lydia was really ticked off that she couldn’t blame Shannon for the text situation - thus she couldn’t lay into Shannon yet again, rather she’d have to deal with Tamra who couldn’t give a poop about it, aka, Lydiot won’t get a rise out of Tams like she does with Shannon. Really over Lydia for so many reasons, but her constant gaslighting of Shannon is deplorable. Ugh.

Shannon's arc this and next season is going to be the rehabilitation of the reputation of Shannon Beador. Shannon started this season off terribly. She was externalizing all of her problems. "This weight is all Vicki Gunvalson." And Shannon is going to end this season more on top than she should be because these fuckwits actually did have a conspiracy to make Shannon look like a jerk and villain. By being complete and total assholes, Lydia, Peggy, and Vicki have basically guaranteed Shannon a spot for next season.

They also reconfirmed how much they aren't necessary. Peggy is too boring for words. At least in English. In Armenian culture, there is a saying about housewives like Peggy--"She is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz." Vicki has spent the entire season whining about Shannon, Tamra, and her broken heart despite her mostly acceptable boyfriend. Lydia has wasted our time talking about her Eunuchorn (Doug), NoBallsMan Magazine, fixing Tamra and Vicki's friendship, Shannon being the progenitor of all discord, and all of the things that she's uncomfortable with that might not be in the Bible.

Edited October 24, 2017 by HunterHunted

[KLovestoShop]

My dad, who recently passed away at 89, lived with a heart murmur since he was 14.  My mom also had a heart murmur since she was 19.  She lived until 81.  Generally speaking, you can live a very good, healthy life with a murmur.  I apologize if Vicki has serious heart problems, but I really think she’s a bit of a hypochondriac and drama queen.  

[CrinkleCutCat]

8 hours ago, esco1822 said:

Here's a link to the article in Nobleman about Iceland that Lydia did not write or seemingly contribute to at all. 

http://noblemanmagazine.com/iceland/

Great..... now we are going to increase their webpage visits! 

Words and photography Andrew Smith.

[bosawks]

I picture Vicki having more of a heart screamer as opposed to a heart murmur....

[SimonSeymour]

On 10/23/2017 at 9:50 PM, poeticlicensed said:

I want to go to Iceland and hike up a glacier now!

 My sister and I just had an entire text conversation about this and the conclusion is that we’re making that trip happen next summer.