Past Seasons

[breezy424]

The producer who wrote the blogs was Dave Rupel.  I am not sure if you can find the blogs on Bravo still but they were good.

 

One thing I noticed in New York was how flushed Kim's face was.  The others had to have caught on to the fact Kim had a drinking problem.  It seems she was also drinking at the airport, in Mohamed's bathroom, at Camille's dinner party and had to be sober up for the finale. (That was Bette Smith with Kim. Who to this day still stands by and manages her.)

 

Interesting Kyle and Mauricio having to manage Kim's money.  I always wondered where that "second fucking wife," comment came from.  This was Kim supposedly sober and they were having to manage her money.  Then hearing Kyle say we told you if you screwed up we would not help you anymore.  Kim is a vicious bitch.  She knew exactly what she was doing when she accused Mauricio and Kyle of stealing her "goddamn house".

 

Doug Ross talking about having to convince Andy et al, to fund the show and Andy seemingly have an objection to just about everything.  I guess the ladies delivered.

 

Even in Beverly Hills the ladies age.  You can see the difference with the original lighting and the lighting since.  I also thought it funny about the crew and cast getting lost in the mansions.  It is amazing that the core group of five women (with the exception of Lisa and Adrienne) have managed to cobble together a relationship over the years.

 

Paul and Adrienne's bickering and the crew talking about them yelling at each other. Yikes.  Paul has a good career now and I hope they communicate better for the sake of the kids.

 

How bad was Kim behaving that the hotel kicked her out of the lobby and finally the room?  Something tells me there is a lot more footage they can't share.  I have never believed that Kyle was going to manually throttled Kim, I think they do that finger pointing poking thing back and forth.  All I can think of is how much fun it must have been Season 2 and Season 5 for Kyle to have to relive more bad drinking behavior.  I do think the other women were honestly appalled but they had to have gotten weary of covering for Kim.

 

I was glad Camille admitted to being insecure.  I remember Andy saying Camille had quit several times during the season.  She sure had an idea of how things should go.  I thought it interesting she threw out the "label me" comment.

So agree and am glad that you brought up the 'second wife' comment.   Not only was Kyle and Mauricio handling Kim's finances but it's pretty likely they were monetarily assisting her.  And the agreement was if she started drinking again.....

 

Yeah, I don't believe that Kyle was going to manually throttle Kim either.  Finger pointing?  Hell, yes. We've all learned it 'is' a Richards' thing.

[zoeysmom]

So agree and am glad that you brought up the 'second wife' comment.   Not only was Kyle and Mauricio handling Kim's finances but it's pretty likely they were monetarily assisting her.  And the agreement was if she started drinking again.....

 

Yeah, I don't believe that Kyle was going to manually throttle Kim either.  Finger pointing?  Hell, yes. We've all learned it 'is' a Richards' thing.

After the "Dinner From Hell" there was a lot of sympathy for poor Kim (who lived in the opposite direction) being dispatched in a separate limo and Kyle refusing to take her calls.  I get it now, when Kim was drinking they wanted her off the set.  Production was protecting her and trying to make for some good after dinner footage.  The sprinklers going on was priceless.

[Rhetorica]

Beverly Hills was my second RH show. I began watching NY the year before and couldn't believe how these women acted. The Dinner Party from Hell was amazing! I actually had my kids and husband watch back then and found myself smiling again last night. But then, when it became dark with the sisters, it wasn't enjoyable anymore. The Producers were quite open in their talking heads. I enjoy seeing behind the scenes and the unseen footage.

[mwell345]

Love last night's show, especially the insight from the production staff, and the cast too.   (Side note:  I would pay to watch a New Jersey version).

 

I did find myself wondering why they put up with Kim for so long - other than the limo scene, she never really brought much in the way of drama until last season with Lisa Rinna.  And it seems like she was one huge production problem due to her behavior and her continual "no-shows" and "late shows".  I think Kim needed Bravo more than Bravo needed her.  And I wonder if some of why we saw all that last night was Bravo saying "Hey, audience, this is what it's really been like the past few years."  It certainly seemed like they opened the floodgates where she was concerened.

 

I felt bad for Camille - with the disintegration of her marriage playing out and her knowing and having to "act" for the cameras.  That must have been so hard. 

 

Oh, the other thing I took note of was when the producer mentioned how Kim had bottles of liquor in the bathrooms.   Yep, we had sort of figured that last season when Lisa Rinna commented on how long Kim was in her bathroom - and there was a party scene from a previous season where Kim locks herself in a bathroom.

[AuntieDiane6]

 

Love last night's show, especially the insight from the production staff, and the cast too.   (Side note:  I would pay to watch a New Jersey version).

 

OMG!!  Yes, yes and yes!  If guys will pay to watch a boxing match, I will pay for that!  I'd also pay for the Uncensored show for RHoNY Season 3 "Scary Island."  

[ryebread]

If you missed RHOBH, 'Uncensored', it's on again today - 11/23 at 4:30 p.m. EST

[Sun-Bun]

Love last night's show, especially the insight from the production staff, and the cast too. (Side note: I would pay to watch a New Jersey version).

I felt bad for Camille - with the disintegration of her marriage playing out and her knowing and having to "act" for the cameras. That must have been so hard.

Oh, the other thing I took note of was when the producer mentioned how Kim had bottles of liquor in the bathrooms.

Last night's special was truly a gift---they need to do that with *every* show in the RH franchise!!!

And I did like that they even gave a welcomed nod back to New Jersey Teresa's infamous table flip; yes, the dinner party from Hell was like an extended, non-physical version of that moment!

And so many priceless moments indeed: Allison Dubois and the evil e-cig, the randomly bitchy comments ranging from "This is all bullshit to me"/"Why don't you blow up your lips some more"/"KNOW THAT!", the perfectly-timed sprinklers attack, the introduction of "the morally corrupt Faye Reznick" followed by the hilarious limo snarkfest over Camille's old nude pics....such reality gold all around!

But yes, the thing that struck me as the saddest thing captured from that entire season, even sadder than messy Kim being extra messy and gross, was watching the obvious demise of Camille's marriage. It was so very, very awkward watching Kelsey and Camille interact and watching her try so desperately hard to project marital bliss and ease. The way he basically brushed her off when she greeted him back at his dressing room in NYC, the moment when she told him "I love you" and he merely answered, "Thank you"((cringe!)), the way he barely acknowledged her when she escorted him to the Emmy's((complete with that ominous shot of them departing opposite ends of their limo))...I remember watching those scenes and realizing that it was so painfully obvious how even then their marriage was on its last legs.

And given how smugly superior and vapid she acted during that season((and probably she acted that way long before that point/her attitude makeover)), I'm not surprised he got sick of her Hollywood trophy wife shtick after that many years---that had to get pretty stale after a certain point.

I really had forgotten just how brilliantly done the first season was...and just how many amazing moments were so easily captured. No wonder it was such an instant hit!

[AttackTurtle]

Love last night's show, especially the insight from the production staff, and the cast too.   (Side note:  I would pay to watch a New Jersey version).

 

I did find myself wondering why they put up with Kim for so long - other than the limo scene, she never really brought much in the way of drama until last season with Lisa Rinna.  And it seems like she was one huge production problem due to her behavior and her continual "no-shows" and "late shows".  I think Kim needed Bravo more than Bravo needed her.  And I wonder if some of why we saw all that last night was Bravo saying "Hey, audience, this is what it's really been like the past few years."  It certainly seemed like they opened the floodgates where she was concerened.

 

I felt bad for Camille - with the disintegration of her marriage playing out and her knowing and having to "act" for the cameras.  That must have been so hard. 

 

Oh, the other thing I took note of was when the producer mentioned how Kim had bottles of liquor in the bathrooms.   Yep, we had sort of figured that last season when Lisa Rinna commented on how long Kim was in her bathroom - and there was a party scene from a previous season where Kim locks herself in a bathroom.

Oh man, I have to disagree about Kim not bringing the drama again until last season. Kim in Season 2 was nearly as bad as she was last season....actually, I think she was worse. You had the game night fight with Brandi & then the enabler boyfriend, Ken. I think she even tried to throw a pregnancy scare in that season. I never found Kim entertaining or remotely cute when she tried to act dingy because it was so damn clear she was never clean.

[TexasGal]

Interesting Kyle and Mauricio having to manage Kim's money.  I always wondered where that "second fucking wife," comment came from.  This was Kim supposedly sober and they were having to manage her money.  Then hearing Kyle say we told you if you screwed up we would not help you anymore.  Kim is a vicious bitch.  She knew exactly what she was doing when she accused Mauricio and Kyle of stealing her "goddamn house".

I don't think they previously used the talking head of Kim saying (paraphrasing) Kyle didn't think she could do it so she took over her money.  I literally snorted at that one.  Right Kim.  It was just Kyle being mean to you.  Poor widdle Kimmie.

[mwell345]

 

Oh man, I have to disagree about Kim not bringing the drama again until last season. Kim in Season 2 was nearly as bad as she was last season....actually, I think she was worse. You had the game night fight with Brandi & then the enabler boyfriend, Ken. I think she even tried to throw a pregnancy scare in that season. I never found Kim entertaining or remotely cute when she tried to act dingy because it was so damn clear she was never clean.

 

Oh, I had forgotten about that!  Yes, Game Night, and the Hawaii trip and the pregnancy scare, and IIRC, the party at which she told Kyle she might be pregnant, was the same one during which she locked herself in the bathroom forever.

[Thick McRunFast]

Once you knew Kim had substance abuse issues it was interesting to watch the older episodes and see that really, she was always a mess. Fun, goofy Kim was really drunk Kim. It was not cute once you really knew what was going on.

[AttackTurtle]

Season one really was amazing. I don't remember ever thinking that Kim was a drunk that season, but rather that she was needy, whiney, & boring. All of those things remain true, but second season, I think we would have caught on to the substance abuse regardless of Kyle outing her in limo gate. She was slurring and downright out of it thru much of season 2.

Puuuullllease do one of these episodes to detail Scary Island!

Edited November 23, 2015 by AttackTurtle

[Mozelle]

Love last night's show, especially the insight from the production staff, and the cast too.   (Side note:  I would pay to watch a New Jersey version).

 

I did find myself wondering why they put up with Kim for so long - other than the limo scene, she never really brought much in the way of drama until last season with Lisa Rinna.  And it seems like she was one huge production problem due to her behavior and her continual "no-shows" and "late shows".  I think Kim needed Bravo more than Bravo needed her.  And I wonder if some of why we saw all that last night was Bravo saying "Hey, audience, this is what it's really been like the past few years."  It certainly seemed like they opened the floodgates where she was concerened.

 

I felt bad for Camille - with the disintegration of her marriage playing out and her knowing and having to "act" for the cameras.  That must have been so hard. 

 

Oh, the other thing I took note of was when the producer mentioned how Kim had bottles of liquor in the bathrooms.   Yep, we had sort of figured that last season when Lisa Rinna commented on how long Kim was in her bathroom - and there was a party scene from a previous season where Kim locks herself in a bathroom.

 

That put soooo much into perspective. I instantly thought about Kim's disappearing act at Pam/Dana's party in season two. It seems that it didn't matter whose home they were in for a gathering, Kim would take her big bag into the bathroom and stash a bottle she kept in there. It also makes sense why Kim was the one more likely to carry a big ass tote bag to these gatherings while the other ladies were rocking clutches. 

[GreatKazu]

I actually don't think Kyle had some big plan to tell the world Kim was an alcoholic. The producer said she said film it or don't, but I'm talking to my sister, which makes it seem to me that Kim was gonna get that curse out, regardless of who was around.

Exactly. Shit was going to go down, cameras or not. Apparently this is how it has been in their family for quite some time. It isn't as if Kim suddenly became an addict prior to the show. It is just that she was not as slick and sneaky, especially being on a show where there were more eyes and ears to see Kim for what she truly was: an alcoholic.

 

 

I was glad Camille admitted to being insecure.

Me too. I said "YES!" in a very loud voice at my television right after she admitted it. Funny how the ladies can now admit to things long after they have happened. Camille also admitting she felt paranoid and how it likely played a part in her feeling that the ladies were trying to make her look like the bad girl.

 

Overall, I really liked this behind-the-scenes episode along with the bits and pieces of information from the unseen moments, producer and the cast, that has now been revealed, that could have answered so many questions from long ago.

[TattleTeeny]

I always suspected Camille--while probably a bit of a snob--came off so badly because of her marriage. Even if his leaving was a surprise, she had to have felt like something was awry, and overcompensated in front of the cameras with what she thought was confidence, but it translated to arrogance and bitchery...which are probably hard to stifle in the company of the other drama-beasts. If her self-esteem was being crushed, she may have tried to bolster it, consciously or not, by trying to make sure she was viewed as better/richer/sexier/smarter than everyone else.

Edited November 23, 2015 by TattleTeeny

[mwell345]

 

OMG!!  Yes, yes and yes!  If guys will pay to watch a boxing match, I will pay for that!  I'd also pay for the Uncensored show for RHoNY Season 3 "Scary Island."

 

 

Oh yes!!!!  Uncensored Scary Island would be off the charts!

 

 

I actually don't think Kyle had some big plan to tell the world Kim was an alcoholic. The producer said she said film it or don't, but I'm talking to my sister, which makes it seem to me that Kim was gonna get that curse out, regardless of who was around.

 

I agree.  I never thought Kyle wanted to "out" Kim.  In general, Kyle seems very controlled to me.  I don't know if that's the right word, but my sense has always been that Kyle wants to present a certain image to the viewers - happily married, great family, etc. and I don't think her sister's alcoholism was part of that picture.  I think that night Kim pushed her to her limit and  she flew off the handle.  She probably regrets it to this day.  And frankly, it just gives Kim one more thing to blame Kyle for, in addition to "stealing her house".

[Duke2801]

This was gold.  Gold, Jerry, gold!  I am in totes agreement that they need to do one of these for New Jersey Season 1 and Scary Island.  I want to know how much crazier Kelly was behind the scenes as opposed to what we saw on our TV!

 

Kind of almost forgot how unlikeable Camille was in the first season.  I can't help but wonder..  who is the REAL Camille?  Is it that vacant-eyed shit-stirrer who doesn't hesitate to shower herself in compliments ("Jesus complex" indeed)   Or is she the cool, somewhat down-to-earth lady we've gotten to know in later seasons?  Maybe a combination of the 2?

 

BogoGog24, on 22 Nov 2015 - 10:29 PM, said:

I think it's because in Lisa's audition tape she didn't have any makeup on.

I've got the DVD of season 1 but haven't gotten around to watching it yet, so it will be interesting to see it knowing all this behind the scenes info. I found it utterly fascinating! They need to do these for all the franchises, maybe even for every season, IMO. I also work as a production assistant in broadcasting, so seeing all the BTS and production aspect was extra fascinating to me. Hope they consider doing more of these for the other cities.

 

I'm pretty sure she was wearing makeup in her audition tape.  Just not nearly as much and not professionally done to look "camera ready."  And she didn't have her false eyelashes on, which makes a HUGE difference.  I think she looks better without them, actually!  I also think she's had her lips done since then as well.

 

Thick McRunFast, on 22 Nov 2015 - 11:12 PM, said:

I had forgotten how nuts that season was. Kyle looks so different now. I don't think all those fillers and whatever else she's had done is working for her. She used to be so much softer and prettier. That's probably the nicest thing I'll ever say about Kyle. This show reminded me how much she has always annoyed me.

 

 

breezy424, on 22 Nov 2015 - 11:19 PM, said:

I actually don't think Kyle looks all that different if at all.

 

Yeah I just think Kyle was wearing *a lot* of makeup last night in those talking heads.  But overall, she looks more or less the same to me.  Her wardrobe/outfits have improved though!

[crgirl412]

I can't believe that I missed it- TWICE!!!  Thanks for sharing the good info and I would love to see a Scary Island one more than anything!!  If any of you hear when/if it will be on again, could you post it?  I'm going to check too. 

[AuntieDiane6]

UNCENSORED will be on again at 1 pm Tuesday (EST) and 3 am Thursday (EST) and a few other times ... I hope they're showing it so much because it has been a ratings winner.

[crgirl412]

UNCENSORED will be on again at 1 pm Tuesday (EST) and 3 am Thursday (EST) and a few other times ... I hope they're showing it so much because it has been a ratings winner.

THANK YOU, AuntieDiane6!!!!!! 

[Lucygirl2]

Absolutely loved the uncensored episode (I too want NJ & NY's Scary Island).  It made me itchy to rewatch season one over again.  I'm up to the dinner from Hell & I really had forgotten how despicable Alison Dubois was, she probably still is.  I had also forgotten how much of a narcissistic bitch Camille was.  I grew to actually like Camille after her PR makeover but always suspected it was a combo PR spin & maybe being knocked down a peg or two once her marriage fell apart.

 

Something I never paid any attention to in the first run but I can't stop looking at it now is the weird tinsel Adrienne has threaded through her hair.

[crgirl412]

I watched the ucensored episode at 1:00pm today and like Lucy had forgotten what a bitch Allison DuBois is.  Really a horrific person.  It was nice to see Camille has rehabed herself but too bad she had to get divorced to become nicer.

 

The Kyle and Kim situation was interesting since we got to hear from the producers/camera people. 

 

The next season starts next week so I wonder if they are going to do it a week before all of the other shows too.  Bring on Scary Island!!! 

Edited November 24, 2015 by crgirl412

[zoeysmom]

The episode got good ratings-twice what the One on One with Vicki Gunvalson received.  With ratings like that I am sure they will try more of this type of show.   

[Cherrio]

I enjoyed the show and also endorse a detailed version of Scary Island. Everyone said it was much much worse than what was shown.   Maybe we would see Kelly huffing on a bedazzled meth pipe?

 

I am reading a book at the moment about the history of real estate regarding Bev Hills and the other area's.

        Beverly Park (the only gated community) was originally developed by the real mobsters from the movie "Casino".    It passed thru many hands , at one point a group of celeb investors including Steven Spielberg and Barbra Streisand.    This is where Lisa and Adriene used to live.

[walnutqueen]

Forevermore she will be "the despicable Allison Dubois" to me.  :-)

 

I enjoyed the HELL out of this show.  More, please!

[Box305]

I was so uncomfortable watching Kelsey and Camille again. I was uncomfortable when it first aired and even more uncomfortable last night. Yikes. 

[JAYJAY1979]

If kim had been such trouble...why keep her on for five seasons? It was like the producers ended up enabling the behavior in some ways.

Season 1 was gold cause it was filmed in the old format...season 2 started the shift to what we see now.

[ElsieH]

Okay, so I have a question. If everyone knew Kim was an alcoholic and covering for her, was she not drinking on camera? I could have sworn she was drinking wine along with everyone else in that first season. Even during the special I thought I saw her with a wine glass in her hands in several of the shots. 

[MatildaMoody]

Okay, so I have a question. If everyone knew Kim was an alcoholic and covering for her, was she not drinking on camera? I could have sworn she was drinking wine along with everyone else in that first season. Even during the special I thought I saw her with a wine glass in her hands in several of the shots. 

 

I know for a fact that they all toasted with Champagne when they were on Adrienne's plane headed to that basketball game. It was why Kyle's revelation seemed to come out of nowhere. At the party though, the wineglass Kim picked up seemed to have water in it. So maybe production was doing a bait and switch with what was in Kim's glass? Because on a close up of the champagne toast the glasses weren't all the same. 

Edited November 25, 2015 by MatildaMoody

[psychoticstate]

Everyone was drinking so maybe it wasn't realized until the season progressed that Kim had an issue.  It seems like Kyle was trying to keep Kim's problem under wraps - - a family secret - - based on the few times we saw her try and shut Kim down and check on her.  I don't think she was trying to expose Kim at all.

 

I think the producers kept her on because of Kyle.  Kyle has always played the maternal role toward Kim and it's possible she thought being involved with the show would not only bolster Kim's finances but keep her sober. 

 

I remember thinking Camille was terrible during much of the first season and then feeling horrid for her when seeing her interactions with Kelsey and the eventual divorce.  I do think she was acting the way she was because of the marital issues and suspicions.  Regardless, that woman was always on point with her fashion.  I would love for her to come back just to see what she's wearing and the crazy real estate porn she brought.

 

Taylor looked AWFUL in her THs - - sweaty, bloated, stringy hair.  WTF?

 

This was a fantastic behind the scenes peek.  I hope Bravo will do this with each franchise.

Edited November 25, 2015 by psychoticstate

[Primal Slayer]

I LOVED the uncensored BTS special. Really hope they get one for S2+ and for other franchises. While it wasn't in the episode, but on the website, I loved seeing the bts of making the intro. It was interesting that they were suppose to hold champagne glasses in the intro but due to Kim being an alcoholic they changed it to diamonds.

[rehoboth]

Finally got to see this and I loved it!  Of course anything with that iteration of Alison DuBois has got to be good.  It was great to hear what the producers were going through as well as the cast.  It seems that neither knew what they were in for.

 

Gee, I always thought that Paul and Adrienne were cute before their marriage went severely down hill.  I guess they were never cute together.

 

I always thought that Camille was very secure and arrogant when she was with Kelsey and then was humbled by the end of the season.  I'm thinking now that I was wrong and she was very insecure in those scenes and was more herself when her humiliating ordeal was over that year.

 

I knew that there would be a lot about Kim and Kyle and very little about Taylor but Lisa was pretty much MIA.  I guess no further information on her manager/houseguest/ blackmailer whats-his-name will be coming out.

[zoeysmom]

It seems Kim is coming back and I don't expect to see any real change.  We all know how important her sobriety is to her.  When I saw her swearing and calling her sister a phony and a fake, I thought things haven't changed much.  I think Kim like many people who are addicted just doesn't get some people can drink and not beome a hot mess.  Brandi seemed to reinforce that in Kim.  Somehow either of them getting drunk, vile and stupid is okay because one or  more of the others can control their behavior while drinking.

[Kiss my mutt]

I have stopped hoping that Kim is going to overcome her addiction after three seasons. I'm just wondering if I'm going to wake up one morning to find that she's overdosed. No way do I want to see her downward spiral again.

[ButterQueen]

I loved this special. I am asking Santa for one about Scary Island.

Taylor looks horrible, and her lips---ugh!! Kyle's lips, while not as bad, look weird to me.

I love Camille and wish she would return.

[GreatKazu]

There is a marathon on right now.

[chenoa333]

Camille Grammer's dinner with guest Allison Dubois will always be my favorite episode ever!

[HunterHunted]

I agree.  I never thought Kyle wanted to "out" Kim.  In general, Kyle seems very controlled to me.  I don't know if that's the right word, but my sense has always been that Kyle wants to present a certain image to the viewers - happily married, great family, etc. and I don't think her sister's alcoholism was part of that picture.  I think that night Kim pushed her to her limit and  she flew off the handle.  She probably regrets it to this day.  And frankly, it just gives Kim one more thing to blame Kyle for, in addition to "stealing her house".

I agree. I work in the mental health substance use disorder field I could tell during season 1 that Kim was abusing some sort of substance. Watching the Uncensored special, showed us that production and the crew knew she had fallen off the wagon. I just think poor Kyle was overwhelmed by Kim's relapse coupled with decades of trauma from Kim's substance use.

[zoeysmom]

I agree. I work in the mental health substance use disorder field I could tell during season 1 that Kim was abusing some sort of substance. Watching the Uncensored special, showed us that production and the crew knew she had fallen off the wagon. I just think poor Kyle was overwhelmed by Kim's relapse coupled with decades of trauma from Kim's substance use.

I see zero mood and behavioral difference between sober and under the influence Kim.  Her words were pretty much the same in Palm Springs as the were Season 1 when she was impaired at the Finale.  I have always thought Kyle's fears were justified in Kim getting too close to Brandi.  Kim's tales of woe regarding her past and interactions with her family are most likely so distorted (Brandi accusing Kyle at the Reunion of being a pot smoker and drug addict) that they are terribly hard to defend.  The difference with this relapse and Seasons 1 & 2 relapse are did not have enabling soldiers like she does with Brandi and Yolanda.   I think Kim's biggest effort is to try and discredit Kyle with any of her cast mates.  I am guessing LisaV and the rest are tired of the sister drama.    

[Wings]

So this is where you all are!  Loved this!  My heart went out to Camile and loved the behind the scenes production stuff.  

 

I haven't read all the comments here yet, I just found you.  We did not need any refresher as to why we didn't want Kim back but we got it! 

[StatisticalOutlier]

The visuals on that scene with Kim in the limo were just hilarious.

 

I think there's a certain camera-ready technique for exiting a limo, but apparently there's not one for entering one, or for maneuvering inside.  Kyle skooching here and there in her high heels while trying to keep her short dress covering what it could were just great.  And Kim there, way in the back, like some sort of tiny person entertaining visitors.  And that weird flashing light over on our right, adding a touch of festivity to the horror.

[AuntiePam]

I didn't see a Past Seasons 4-5 thread so I hope it's okay to put this here.  Just watched the next-to-last episode of S5, when Kim visits Kyle at Kyle's gorgeous new home in the desert, to begin reconciliation. 

 

Kyle needs to stop being so defensive.  Just let Kim talk, vent, get it all out, without interruption.  Kim was trying to get Kyle to understand why it bothered her -- everyone talking about her sobriety.  Why can't Kyle understand that?  If you're on a diet, trying to quit smoking, getting over a break-up, the last thing you need is people who aren't close to you bringing it up. 

 

But Kyle didn't even try to understand that.  Yes, Kim has hurt Kyle, but Kyle isn't the one whose life is on the line, walking a tightrope, struggling to get through every. single. day. without that alcoholic/drug crutch. 

 

Then when Kyle starts defending herself -- which she can only seem to do by putting Kim in the wrong -- Kim blows up. 

 

And who knows what the hell the truth is about the house(s)?  Kim and Kathy had it within their power to be generous toward Kim, no matter what the will said or what the legalities are, and they didn't do that.  Maybe giving Kim the house at that point in her life would have turned out badly, but neither Kyle nor Kim needed that house OR the money from the sale.  Just MHO.

[notnowimbusy]

I remember reading somewhere that Kyle was executor to her mother's estate.  The will stated that they keep the house for 10 years.    During that time it was Kyle & Mauricio that made all the repairs, paid for maintenance, etc.  Kim took out a $20K loan against her portion of the house.  Kim never contributed to the house, nor did she repay the loan again her portion.   When it was decided it would be sold, they gave the listing to Kyle's daughter & Kim's daughter.   The money was split equally, but $20K was deducted from Kim's portion to repay the loan.   That seems to be what is pissing Kim off.   Kathy's check was bigger, but Kim conveniently forgot she borrowed against her share - or more likely she thought that loan, like all the other money given to her, should have been forgiven.    But, legally, that couldn't be done for tax purposes, and in accordance with the will.     Kim had no way to buy the others out, but even if they had signed over their share to Kim, she had no way to pay for the expenses of the house.

[WireWrap]

I remember reading somewhere that Kyle was executor to her mother's estate.  The will stated that they keep the house for 10 years.    During that time it was Kyle & Mauricio that made all the repairs, paid for maintenance, etc.  Kim took out a $20K loan against her portion of the house.  Kim never contributed to the house, nor did she repay the loan again her portion.   When it was decided it would be sold, they gave the listing to Kyle's daughter & Kim's daughter.   The money was split equally, but $20K was deducted from Kim's portion to repay the loan.   That seems to be what is pissing Kim off.   Kathy's check was bigger, but Kim conveniently forgot she borrowed against her share - or more likely she thought that loan, like all the other money given to her, should have been forgiven.    But, legally, that couldn't be done for tax purposes, and in accordance with the will.     Kim had no way to buy the others out, but even if they had signed over their share to Kim, she had no way to pay for the expenses of the house.

I believe they bought out Kathy and Kim before they renovated then sold the house. Kim had already taken out that loan though and her check WAS smaller than Kathy's for that reason. Kim's biggest beef though was that Kyle decided to sell the home, Kim wanted Kyle to sell (give) the house to her even though Kim could not get a mortgage and Kyle/Mauricio could not afford to either give her the house or float a mortgage for her. She, Kim, had already lost the house down the street their mother bought her before she died.

[AuntiePam]

Thanks for the insight on Kim's financial management issues.  Makes sense for Kyle to be fed up with Kim bringing it up again.

 

The Uncensored special was on again today, and I need some more insight:  Why did Kyle -- knowing that Kim was drunk again -- choose that time to confront her about the brouhaha with Camille in NYC -- "You didn't have my back!"  And then chase her to the limo?  Why not just let her be?

 

See, I've lived with alcoholics -- mom, stepdad, first husband -- and one thing I learned is you don't poke the bear.  If they're being quiet and peaceful and not bothering anybody, leave them alone.  Why didn't Kyle do that?

[ginger90]

Thanks for the insight on Kim's financial management issues.  Makes sense for Kyle to be fed up with Kim bringing it up again.

 

The Uncensored special was on again today, and I need some more insight:  Why did Kyle -- knowing that Kim was drunk again -- choose that time to confront her about the brouhaha with Camille in NYC -- "You didn't have my back!"  And then chase her to the limo?  Why not just let her be?

 

See, I've lived with alcoholics -- mom, stepdad, first husband -- and one thing I learned is you don't poke the bear.  If they're being quiet and peaceful and not bothering anybody, leave them alone.  Why didn't Kyle do that?

Because it was being filmed....................?

[starrynola]

Been watching the old episodes. Remember Cedric that lived w Lisa? I wonder what the real story there was.

[BogoGog24]

Been watching the old episodes. Remember Cedric that lived w Lisa? I wonder what the real story there was.

I wonder this too. They (Ken and Lisa) claimed on the reunion that Cedric said some nasty stuff about them and their kids, then a video came out about Cedric refuting those claims. Basically a he said, she said situation. I think there might have even been more to it than that, some kind of legal matter, but I can't remember.

[kokapetl]

Didn't Lisa & Ken also pay for Cedric's eye-lift, along with the free BH lodgings? "We just felt sorry for him" isn't really plausible, you don't get rich with attitudes like that.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Kokapetl

[PhilMarlowe2]

The thing that always surprises me when I re-remember it, is Lisa saying that Cedric had actually been in her will prior to their fallout. Lisa is a bit of a mystery (wrapped in an enigma wrapped in cash) to me. I do think of her as manipulative and deceitful, and I do think she likes to have her "underlings," her assorted misfits that she can treat like her pets, but I wonder if she is completely unconscious of her own motives. Putting someone in her will suggests real affection, so she had to care about Cedric to some real degree, or at least think that she cared about him. I really do wonder how much of Lisa's strategy is conscious and how much of it is unconscious. All that said, I was squarely on her side regarding everything related to Cedric. If you don't want to be treated like a pet in a gilded cage, then don't freeload off people richer than you. Cedric had no right to complain about anything as long as he was living off Lisa and Ken's dime - if he didn't like the situation, he had two legs (the last time I checked).

Edited January 17, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2