Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[BitterApple]

Do you guys remember that old Lifetime movie Death Of A Cheerleader? Joy and Carlin's dynamic reminds me a bit of that, minus the jealousy and murder. Carlin's the popular, glamorous Queen Bee and Joy has an almost puppy-like adoration for her and what she represents. 

I think Joy is beautiful, but she's not naturally outgoing or flirty. I think her brothers, and even Austin, treat her as "one of the guys." Maybe friendship with Carlin gives her the girly-girl bonding experience she never got to have during her teenage years.

 

[Lady Whistleup]

19 minutes ago, cereality said:

I have a feeling Joy and Austin's house doesn't have that type of spontaneity and fun. Austin seems like he'd be more like -- uh we're not stopping at some road side attraction, we'll lose 30 min on this road trip; or be like you want to run out to get us ice cream at 10 pm -- you're a mother, you'll just leave your kids with me and go out as if you have no responsibilities, just have whatever ice cream is in the freezer or get some at the grocery store tomorrow?? Whereas at Carlin's -- Joy is likely in on the Sbux or ice cream runs, we've seen her cheering along as C&E turn on some dumb song and sing or dance with each other or their kid -- for all we know she also dances along just not with the camera on so as not to hear from Austin when she gets home.

I;ve also seen Joy go along on some of Austin's hunting trips and while she says she's enthusiastic she always looks tired and ready to break free. 

I think Joy is actually prettier than Carlin but Joy has no idea how to present herself. The baggy clothes, crocs/flip flops, hideous magnetic eyelashes, heavy bangs, all give her a careworn look.

[Tikichick]

4 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I;ve also seen Joy go along on some of Austin's hunting trips and while she says she's enthusiastic she always looks tired and ready to break free. 

I think Joy is actually prettier than Carlin but Joy has no idea how to present herself. The baggy clothes, crocs/flip flops, hideous magnetic eyelashes, heavy bangs, all give her a careworn look.

I think Joy is attractive enough to carry off a fresh faced look with no make up, maybe a dash of gloss on her lips, a cute fitting simple T and pair of jeans, nicely trimmed and washed hair either left straight or in a pony and she will probably look quite pretty in a gal next door way.

While Carlin is an attractive woman I think she would appear a bit plain next to Jill if styled and made up the same way.

[GeeGolly]

Joy and Carlin seem to be one of the few real Duggar/Bates friendships. Theirs and a few of the boys.  Shortly after Scandal 1 & 2 were in the news, Carlin and Joy spent time in Danger America with Jill. They were in each other's weddings and as was mentioned, Carlin was there for Joy after losing Annabell.

I think their friendship works because they are different and they're not competing with each other.

It seems the other Duggar and Bates female 'relationships' have flipped. Back in the day the Duggar sisters seemed a tad snobbish toward the Bates. Now I think its the other way around.

[Tikichick]

17 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Joy and Carlin seem to be one of the few real Duggar/Bates friendships. Theirs and a few of the boys.  Shortly after Scandal 1 & 2 were in the news, Carlin and Joy spent time in Danger America with Jill. They were in each other's weddings and as was mentioned, Carlin was there for Joy after losing Annabell.

I think their friendship works because they are different and they're not competing with each other.

It seems the other Duggar and Bates female 'relationships' have flipped. Back in the day the Duggar sisters seemed a tad snobbish toward the Bates. Now I think its the other way around.

In the way back time machine was it the Bates girls and mom who met up with Michelle and the girls for an outing where they went swimming and the Bates girls wore early 20th century swimming costumes?

[GeeGolly]

Just now, Tikichick said:

In the way back time machine was it the Bates girls and mom who met up with Michelle and the girls for an outing where they went swimming and the Bates girls wore early 20th century swimming costumes?

Yes, as did some of the Duggar girls, at least the ones who weren't wearing denim skirts.

Besides Big Sandy, it seems the Duggars and Bates met up a couple of times a year, going way back to when Josh and Zach were fairly young.

[Tikichick]

10 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Yes, as did some of the Duggar girls, at least the ones who weren't wearing denim skirts.

Besides Big Sandy, it seems the Duggars and Bates met up a couple of times a year, going way back to when Josh and Zach were fairly young.

Even at that point that's a sizeable amount of children for two families.

[Cherry Cola]

On 5/5/2021 at 10:32 PM, Tigregirl said:

Nice to see Joy hiking in pants, not a skirt.  Giddy really seems like the happiest little guy.  Such big smiles.

I guess I dont pay much attention to their clothes. Do the women not usually wear pants in this family? Is it always skirts?

[doodlebug]

1 minute ago, Cherry Cola said:

I guess I dont pay much attention to their clothes. Do the women not usually wear pants in this family? Is it always skirts?

In general, yes, at least while they're living at home.  No matter what they're doing, the girls wear skirts because it is sinful for women to dress like men.  They also must keep their knees and shoulders covered at all times because, otherwise, they might entice men into sinning.

Meechelle famously was filmed discussing modesty while pulling Josie's sweater up over her shoulders so no one could see her upper arms in a sleeveless dress.  Josie was something like 4 years old at the time.

Meechelle was also shown water skiing on the show in a dress.  Her knees were exposed and she apparently insisted they be blurred on the show.

The Duggar daughters have been shown doing heavy construction, playing in the snow, going swimming. running 5 K's, all in skirts that were just inches above their ankles.

I believe the first sight of a Duggar daughter in pants was Jinger when she was leaving for her honeymoon.

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Do you guys remember that old Lifetime movie Death Of A Cheerleader? Joy and Carlin's dynamic reminds me a bit of that, minus the jealousy and murder. Carlin's the popular, glamorous Queen Bee and Joy has an almost puppy-like adoration for her and what she represents. 

I think Joy is beautiful, but she's not naturally outgoing or flirty. I think her brothers, and even Austin, treat her as "one of the guys." Maybe friendship with Carlin gives her the girly-girl bonding experience she never got to have during her teenage years.

 

YES! And they remade that movie a couple years ago, too 🙂.

Edited May 10, 2021 by Cinnabon

[crazy8s]

I will say Joy probably sort of makes solo trips to visit Carlin - Either a Duggar brother flies her there or whatever Bates boy with a pilot's license flies her there and back. Technicality I know, but have we ever seen Joy putting the kids in the car and driving solo to visit Carlin? what if she had to stop for gas, had a flat tire, needed a tow...... not happening in duggarville.

On the hunting trips - Joy seems happy when she is with Austin and the Howlers all on a trip. Not so much when it is a trip to the Jeff Danker/Buckventures locations. (they are on the Buckventure website posing with "Austin's successful kill on the Ranch",  I think Oklahoma but I don't remember in the moment.

Edited May 10, 2021 by crazy8s

[dargosmydaddy]

5 hours ago, Tikichick said:

Even at that point that's a sizeable amount of children for two families.

It's insane to think that both families were about a third of the size they'd end up at when this picture was taken...

[Lady Whistleup]

4 hours ago, crazy8s said:

I will say Joy probably sort of makes solo trips to visit Carlin - Either a Duggar brother flies her there or whatever Bates boy with a pilot's license flies her there and back. Technicality I know, but have we ever seen Joy putting the kids in the car and driving solo to visit Carlin? what if she had to stop for gas, had a flat tire, needed a tow...... not happening in duggarville.

On the hunting trips - Joy seems happy when she is with Austin and the Howlers all on a trip. Not so much when it is a trip to the Jeff Danker/Buckventures locations. (they are on the Buckventure website posing with "Austin's successful kill on the Ranch",  I think Oklahoma but I don't remember in the moment.

We've seen her at the airport flying commercial to visit Carlin.

[BigBingerBro]

[queenanne]

On 5/10/2021 at 1:10 PM, doodlebug said:

In general, yes, at least while they're living at home.  No matter what they're doing, the girls wear skirts because it is sinful for women to dress like men.  They also must keep their knees and shoulders covered at all times because, otherwise, they might entice men into sinning.

Meechelle famously was filmed discussing modesty while pulling Josie's sweater up over her shoulders so no one could see her upper arms in a sleeveless dress.  Josie was something like 4 years old at the time.

Meechelle was also shown water skiing on the show in a dress.  Her knees were exposed and she apparently insisted they be blurred on the show.

The Duggar daughters have been shown doing heavy construction, playing in the snow, going swimming. running 5 K's, all in skirts that were just inches above their ankles.

I believe the first sight of a Duggar daughter in pants was Jinger when she was leaving for her honeymoon.

That's one of the things I like about Austin. He may say he prefers Joy in dresses, but she doesn't seem to have to wear them while she's tooling around on a bike or similar active pursuits; which is a distinct improvement over the earlier insanity, lol.

[Insert Username]

I may be in the minority, but I like Austin and don't think he is cruel and controlling. I think he has no use for most of the Duggars and their laziness and just does not like being on TV, but sees it as way to make money. He has a dry sarcasm that I find funny and probably goes over most of his in-law's heads. He and Joy seem like they genuinely like one another. He also seems to be a loving, affectionate, and involved dad. He is like so many of the simple, hardworking blue-collar men I know. I think they will be okay if the show ends - they have his construction business and the family camp and will live just fine outside of the limelight.

I will never understand why JB didn't get all of his kids (boys) into the trades. They could have had a good family construction business going.

[Ohiopirate02]

Just now, Insert Username said:

I will never understand why JB didn't get all of his kids (boys) into the trades. They could have had a good family construction business going.

If any Duggar boy actually works in a trade, then he is no longer beholden to the Bank of Boob and could potentially strike out on his own.  JB will not allow that.  He tried it with Josh and look what happened.  He would rather give each son a "job" and just enough money to meet his and his family's needs without them getting any ideas.

[JoanArc]

8 minutes ago, Insert Username said:

I will never understand why JB didn't get all of his kids (boys) into the trades. They could have had a good family construction business going.

 They already have a bad family construction business going! 

[Tikichick]

1 hour ago, Insert Username said:

I may be in the minority, but I like Austin and don't think he is cruel and controlling. I think he has no use for most of the Duggars and their laziness and just does not like being on TV, but sees it as way to make money. He has a dry sarcasm that I find funny and probably goes over most of his in-law's heads. He and Joy seem like they genuinely like one another. He also seems to be a loving, affectionate, and involved dad. He is like so many of the simple, hardworking blue-collar men I know. I think they will be okay if the show ends - they have his construction business and the family camp and will live just fine outside of the limelight.

I will never understand why JB didn't get all of his kids (boys) into the trades. They could have had a good family construction business going.

For the most part I agree.   I wouldn't doubt that Austin has some seriously less than optimal personality traits and beliefs, but I don't think he's cruel and controlling with Joy and the kids.   I think he does not cope well in the TTH chaos and lack of hygiene, much in the same way I suspect Lauren and possibly Abbie struggle with the same.

 I can also see where he won't sit still for JB's controlling BS and perpetual headship, which actually is a huge positive in my book.   I think JB kind of got conned here because I think JB was deceived by Austin having been an obedient son to his father.   I  don't think JB understood that Austin's father, nor Austin, were looking for Austin to remain perpetually under his father's control -- or had any expectation of yielding to JB after marriage.  I think Austin was raised with the idea his parents raised him up and then it was time to be a man and have his own family.    

One of the most encouraging signs for me about Austin has been his demeanor around Gideon, and Gideon's undeniable happiness to be with Austin.  I haven't seen him as much around their daughter, but anything I've seen has also shown him being very loving with her as well.   It goes a long way with me that a man in that belief system has repeatedly been so publicly vocal voicing to his son that he loves him and openly kissing him.    

[Tuxcat]

are those snacks or stones in that play pen with evy?

[Westiepeach]

31 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

are those snacks or stones in that play pen with evy?

Looks like she is ON stones, and snacking on puffed cereal.

[GeeGolly]

I'm not so sure about Austin. He's said some pretty conservative stuff online. Loving his kids, holding a job and not kowtowing to JB doesn't necessarily make him an all around upstanding dude.

[Tikichick]

Oh, I have no doubts Austin has less than optimal personality traits and beliefs, which is exactly what I referenced earlier.  I just don't happen to think he's cruel or controlling with Joy and the kids.   Not kowtowing to JB is simply a bonus I'm always happy to see.

Quite different than saying he's an all around upstanding dude.   

[Madtown]

From Joy’s Insta-stories. Gideon was pretty much swimming in the mud..

 

[laurakaye]

Oh, man - there's no doubt that little kids love mud puddles, but all that goes through my mind is that you can't see the bottom and there could be sharp things floating around in that muck, especially if it's on a construction site.

[madpsych78]

Yeah, I think if that were a shallow mud puddle that would be fun for Gideon, but I would worry about it being too deep and him inadvertenly swallowing too much mud.

[libgirl2]

36 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Oh, man - there's no doubt that little kids love mud puddles, but all that goes through my mind is that you can't see the bottom and there could be sharp things floating around in that muck, especially if it's on a construction site.

I would also worry about what else could be lurking in there like parasites!

[Cinnabon]

8 hours ago, Madtown said:

From Joy’s Insta-stories. Gideon was pretty much swimming in the mud..

 

Joy - get your young kids off SM. What will it take for her to get it?

[BigBingerBro]

Austin Forsyth to Testify in Upcoming Trial: What Does He Know?

[beckie]

3 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Joy - get your young kids off SM. What will it take for her to get it?

This is why I wonder exactly what Joy was told or how much. She seems to really love her kids, but she either doesn't think what Josh did was a big deal, or she wasn't told everything. 

[BigBingerBro]

[JocelynCavanaugh]

2 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Austin Forsyth to Testify in Upcoming Trial: What Does He Know?

This article is definitely trying to make us think Austin knows something about Josh’s federal CSA crimes, and then fifty single-sentence paragraphs later it’s like, “JK, it’s a civil suit, totally unrelated!”

It does sound pretty bad if Austin knowingly skimped on a septic system, evaded code inspection, and sold the house without disclosing that the “water” in the backyard might be sewage. Not “going to some trouble to watch children be horrifically violated for his sick sexual gratification” bad, but... not awesome. (IDK if this came up on the forum back when it happened — I couldn’t keep up with it for a while. Sorry if redundant!)

[MrsClaus]

You would have thought the buyers would have had their own home inspection done before purchasing the home

[ginger90]

Was the house sold “as is”? I seem to recall that, but I could be having a moment.

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, ginger90 said:

Was the house sold “as is”? I seem to recall that, but I could be having a moment.

I recall that as well. 

[lascuba]

2 minutes ago, MrsClaus said:

You would have thought the buyers would have had their own home inspection done before purchasing the home

I wonder if they buyers were fundie. They might have been willfully naive buying from a fellow fundie. And if they paid cash for the house, an inspection wouldn't have been required for the mortgate.

[floridamom]

Gideon playing/swimming in that mud is absolutely disgusting to me. It's one thing to make mud pies but this child is sitting in a pool of filthy water. No telling what lurks in that standing water. This, IMO, makes Joy seem like she's a pig. We all remember her filthy feet. She put them in some old pair of shoes without washing the souls of her feet OR wearing any socks or nylon peds. 

[Tikichick]

14 hours ago, beckie said:

This is why I wonder exactly what Joy was told or how much. She seems to really love her kids, but she either doesn't think what Josh did was a big deal, or she wasn't told everything. 

My guess is Joy doesn't connect the dots between what Josh has done and what she sees as fun and innocent images of her children.  Given her insular upbringing and lack of access to educational opportunities it's not entirely shocking she wouldn't make the connection, even with Josh's current situation. 

[Albanyguy]

20 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

My guess is Joy doesn't connect the dots between what Josh has done and what she sees as fun and innocent images of her children.  Given her insular upbringing and lack of access to educational opportunities it's not entirely shocking she wouldn't make the connection, even with Josh's current situation. 

Indeed, she probably thinks she's actually helping her family by posting all these pictures of her kids: "See, despite what Josh may have done, we Duggars are still a warm, loving normal family! Aren't my kids adorable? Don't you want to keep seeing them on our TV show?".

Edited May 19, 2021 by Albanyguy

[Temperance]

21 hours ago, lascuba said:

I wonder if they buyers were fundie. They might have been willfully naive buying from a fellow fundie. And if they paid cash for the house, an inspection wouldn't have been required for the mortgate.

Maybe, but being fundie would make them less likely to sue.  It's stupid to buy a house without an inspection. I'm still rooting for the plaintiffs. It doesn't make me like or respect Austin more. 

[BigBingerBro]

[Rootbeer]

1 hour ago, BigBingerBro said:

Crappy generic pizza from a national chain.  What point are they trying to make?

[GeeGolly]

37 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

Crappy generic pizza from a national chain.  What point are they trying to make?

That they're not Jeremy? 😁 But more likely, they're trying to pick up a gig, or at least a few free pizzas going forward.

[Crochetlady]

I'm glad she let's Giddy play in the mud, but playing in that muddy water is a bit much. I wouldn't let my kids play in that. 

[JoanArc]

58 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

Crappy generic pizza from a national chain.  What point are they trying to make?

Gourmet Pizza would be wasted on them?

19 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

That they're not Jeremy? 😁 But more likely, they're trying to pick up a gig, or at least a few free pizzas going forward.

 Isn’t the owner of dominoes Catholic? I believe he wanted to set up a Catholic city in Florida a while back. 

[Minivanessa]

18 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Isn’t the owner of dominoes Catholic? I believe he wanted to set up a Catholic city in Florida a while back. 

That's Tom Monaghan. He founded Domino's but sold the chain, which is now owned by Bain Capital Inc. I think the sale was in 1998. 

[JoanArc]

From reddit.  Looks like they keep up on gossip. 

 

2 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

That's Tom Monaghan. He founded Domino's but sold the chain, which is now owned by Bain Capital Inc. I think the sale was in 1998. 

Thanks. Bain is associated with Mitt Romney, right. Catholics and Mormons. They must be in desperate need of the correct Jesus!

[Minivanessa]

2 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Thanks. Bain is associated with Mitt Romney, right. Catholics and Mormons. They must be in desperate need of the correct Jesus!

I have no idea. I live in a state with a large Mormon population. My friends include Mormons and Catholics. They are good people. 

[JoanArc]

3 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I have no idea. I live in a state with a large Mormon population. My friends include Mormons and Catholics. They are good people. 

 I googled it, Romney is the former CEO of Bain.  I didn’t mean to imply they were not good people, just not the kind of religions you would think the Duggars would support. 

[laurakaye]

Hmmm, now I have to wonder why Austin would be looking at anything related to that other TLC sh!tshow, Sister Wives.

It's so fun when two of my favorite snarky guilty pleasures collide. :)

Edited May 20, 2021 by laurakaye