Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[zoomama]

it sure is taking a long time to get any info on this hearing....

[iwantcookies]

I need a coffee ☕️ 

[NoThyme]

2 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

I need a coffee ☕️ 

I need a drink

Edited May 5, 2021 by NoThyme

[Oldernowiser]

Just now, zoomama said:

it sure is taking a long time to get any info on this hearing....

Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching…this is costing JB a fortune.

Good.

[On the Bias]

1 hour ago, Tikichick said:

What happens at the corrections level as far as how much of any sentence is served is what I can never understand.   I literally want to dance a jig at the knowledge that one of Josh's charges has a mandatory minimum.  

In the federal system, you serve 85% of your sentence by statute, and the way the BOP calculates it, it’s really 87%.  In addition, in all but the most minor cases, the court is required to impose a term of supervised release that begins when the defendant is released from custody.  It’s been several years since I was in practice, but as far as I can remember, the offenses with which Josh is charged carry a minimum supervised release term of five years.  In the district where I practiced, judges routinely imposed lifetime terms of supervised release in CP cases, although those cases typically involved hundreds or even thousands of images and dozens of videos rather than the sixty-five images and one video reported here.

 

Supervised release is conditional, which means that the defendant must abide by the conditions of release that the judge has imposed.  The federal Probation Office is in charge of ensuring that he does.  Conditions in a CP case may include restrictions on certain kinds of computer use, a bar on being around children, prohibitions against living near a school, and so forth.  If the defendant violates his supervised release terms, the court may send him back to prison.  

[Quilt Fairy]

57 minutes ago, Nysha said:

Jinger isn't actually recalling anything, the media is just quoting what is in her book.

It's still publicity for her book.  

[BitterApple]

3 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching…this is costing JB a fortune.

Good.

Yep. Keep racking up those billable hours!

[iwantcookies]

Did Josh suffer a medical emergency ??? What’s the hold up???

[hathorlive]

6 minutes ago, On the Bias said:

 In the district where I practiced, judges routinely imposed lifetime terms of supervised release in CP cases, although those cases typically involved hundreds or even thousands of images and dozens of videos rather than the sixty-five images and one video reported here.

The amount of images and videos is more than I expected but it's really not a lot compared to what we normally see.  It's at the low end.   

[Tikichick]

9 minutes ago, On the Bias said:

In the federal system, you serve 85% of your sentence by statute, and the way the BOP calculates it, it’s really 87%.  In addition, in all but the most minor cases, the court is required to impose a term of supervised release that begins when the defendant is released from custody.  It’s been several years since I was in practice, but as far as I can remember, the offenses with which Josh is charged carry a minimum supervised release term of five years.  In the district where I practiced, judges routinely imposed lifetime terms of supervised release in CP cases, although those cases typically involved hundreds or even thousands of images and dozens of videos rather than the sixty-five images and one video reported here.

 

Supervised release is conditional, which means that the defendant must abide by the conditions of release that the judge has imposed.  The federal Probation Office is in charge of ensuring that he does.  Conditions in a CP case may include restrictions on certain kinds of computer use, a bar on being around children, prohibitions against living near a school, and so forth.  If the defendant violates his supervised release terms, the court may send him back to prison.  

Are you suggesting that he can be convicted of this and not be placed on the Sexual Offender Registry for life?   That's statutory here.   That also takes care of how close he can live to a school, a park, a childcare center, etc.

Are felons required to pay supervision fees for supervised release at the federal level?  Some cases here even result in the defendant being required to be tethered on supervised release and potentially for a period of time afterwards if deemed appropriate.   I am aware of a case here where a judge imposed a lifetime tether requirement upon release that was struck down on appeal.

ETA  Disheartened tremendously that mandatory minimum might not require serving the mandatory sentence, simply being a minimum a judge must not go below in sentencing.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Tikichick

[Oldernowiser]

4 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

Did Josh suffer a medical emergency ??? What’s the hold up???

Maybe JB’s wallet slammed shut…

[Cinnabon]

33 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

There was something very off about Joy's vibe recently. The sunniest sister all of a sudden turned glum and it became Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. We thought it was post-partum depression but looking back, the feds would have interviewed her for sure. Him molesting his five year old sister builds their case.

Yet she continued to post pictures and videos of her very young kids for millions of strangers. Still not getting it.

[SMama]

2 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

The amount of images and videos is more than I expected but it's really not a lot compared to what we normally see.  It's at the low end.   

Can the one video apply as a sentence enhancement? Sorry of that is not the correct term. JB and Michelle are going to have a hell of a time spinning this one. The sad thing is they will. 

[On the Bias]

1 minute ago, hathorlive said:

The amount of images and videos is more than I expected but it's really not a lot compared to what we normally see.  It's at the low end.   

I agree, in my experience it’s at the very low end, so low that I’m frankly surprised that the feds didn’t kick it over to state prosecutors.  Given JB’s political contacts, perhaps they kept the case to ensure the appearance of neutrality.  

[Normades]

I read on the Sun's blog that he had a smirk and smiled and laughed during the hearing, seeming to be in good spirits.  Sicko.

[Arkay]

Thanks to everyone who is explaining what Tor is about. I didn’t know either and really didn’t want to Google it. I was going to ask why it’s allowed to exist, but several of you have answered that it was meant to give assistance to those in repressive regimes.

I feel the same sick that we all feel and I don’t know how much more I even want to know. I’ve got three grandkids and spent 25 years teaching 8th grade English in Coney Island. When  Bloomberg became the mayor in 2002, we weren’t supposed to deviate at all from the scripted curriculum. I did always insert some life lessons when I felt I could, and one thing I ALWAYS said was that If anyone touched you inappropriately, etc., they should tell their parents or teachers etc. These were 13 and 14 year old kids, and some gruesome things did happen. I was thankful that they came to me to tell me and I could tell the appropriate personnel. 
 

That Josh  will have seven children, the first six of whom love him and are being taught to respect him, is highly damaging to their sense of safety and to the worldview that parents take care of them. The older ones will need honest and helpful counseling for years.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Arkay

[Oldernowiser]

1 minute ago, Normades said:

I read on the Sun's blog that he had a smirk and smiled and laughed during the hearing, seeming to be in good spirits.  Sicko.

He’s never experienced any real consequences for his behavior, so why would he expect them now?

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, Normades said:

I read on the Sun's blog that he had a smirk and smiled and laughed during the hearing, seeming to be in good spirits.  Sicko.

Of course he did, he is the golden child, the right kind of Christian, he will get away with it because daddy will pay his way out. Bastard. 

[Crochetlady]

From Twitter. 

[iwantcookies]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9547139/Josh-Duggar-65-child-porn-images-computer-court-hears.html
 

1 video, 65 images were found 

its daily mail so who knows how reliable 

Edited May 5, 2021 by iwantcookies

[Tuxcat]

6 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

The amount of images and videos is more than I expected but it's really not a lot compared to what we normally see.  It's at the low end.   

At first it seems shocking and then you read that officials often find thousands.

However with access to the dark web, could he not have been viewing and sharing much more? The charges are for only a two day window which in my mind means that they are the only ones that can be definitively tied to just Josh. But likely he viewed many many many more and much more often - and he just didn't store those?  Am I reading this right?

[Gigi43]

21 minutes ago, zoomama said:

katie joy on WOACB goes live in about 20 minutes per her you tube site. 

 

Ugh. This is the best thing to ever happen to her. She's going to make a lot off this.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Gigi43

[Oldernowiser]

4 minutes ago, Normades said:

I read on the Sun's blog that he had a smirk and smiled and laughed during the hearing, seeming to be in good spirits.  Sicko.

I can’t imagine that playing well with the judge…

[WinnieWinkle]

7 minutes ago, Normades said:

I read on the Sun's blog that he had a smirk and smiled and laughed during the hearing, seeming to be in good spirits.  Sicko.

What message is he trying to give with this behavior?  A truly innocent man set up by the "ex con" would be absolutely horrified by these accusations and terrified of the possible consequences.  You'd think his lawyers would have told him how to act in front of people who are not part of the Duggar cult,

Edited May 5, 2021 by WinnieWinkle

[BitterApple]

If you add up the attorney's fees related to Joshgates 1&2, the settlement with the stripper, attorney's fees for the fraud case and this latest debacle (assuming it goes to trial), Boob must've spent at least 350k defending his Golden Boy. The retainer for this attorney alone had to have cost a fortune.

[Natalie68]

1 minute ago, WinnieWinkle said:

What message is he trying to give with this behavior?  A truly innocent man set up by the "ex con" would be absolutely horrified by these accusations and terrified of the possible consequences.  You'd think his lawyers would have told him how to act in front of people who are not part of the Duggar cult,

These people clearly don't know what is appropriate behavior in the real world.  I am truly disgusted by all of it

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

If you add up the attorney's fees related to Joshgates 1&2, the settlement with the stripper, attorney's fees for the fraud case and this latest debacle (assuming it goes to trial), Boob must've spent at least 350k defending his Golden Boy. The retainer for this attorney alone had to have cost a fortune.

And how much of that money was earned by his kids? 

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

If you add up the attorney's fees related to Joshgates 1&2, the settlement with the stripper, attorney's fees for the fraud case and this latest debacle (assuming it goes to trial), Boob must've spent at least 350k defending his Golden Boy. The retainer for this attorney alone had to have cost a fortune.

Good. I hope this bankrupts him. 

[iwantcookies]

Boob must be thinking maybe it’s best to just ditch Joshua and spent the $ on himself 

Doubt Boob plans to bankrupt himself defending Joshua

Number one priority is Boob’s bank account 

[Future Cat Lady]

16 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

The amount of images and videos is more than I expected but it's really not a lot compared to what we normally see.  It's at the low end.   

Is it possible that he had a lot more than that but they're only focusing on the dates mentionned?

I find it hard to believe that they caught him the first time he did this.

[iwantcookies]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Good. I hope this bankrupts him. 

Lol maybe they will tour with the Rods singing for dinner 

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

Boob must be thinking maybe it’s best to just ditch Joshua and spent the $ on himself 

Doubt Boob plans to bankrupt himself defending Joshua

Number one priority is Boob’s bank account 

Nah, the number one priority is maintaining the squeaky clean Christian image.

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, 3 is enough said:

She carried her own suitcase.  We all commented on what a dick he was at the time. Little did we know...

Yup I remember thinking what an ASS Josh was having his BRAND NEW BRIDE handle the luggage on their honeymoon. 

[Twopper]

3 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

Ugh. This is the best thing to ever happen to her. She's going to make a lot of this.

I hit the 'like" button, but I was tempted to hit the "laugh" button.  Her going on the air soon about it is neither a surprise or useful.  That left the "sad" button.  I really want a barf button. 

I thought maybe there would be some news, but it doesn't seem to be a quick hearing.  Maye it will continue into tomorrow?

13 minutes ago, Arkay said:

That Josh  will have seven children, the first six of whom love him and are being taught to respect him, is highly damaging to their sense of safety and to the worldview that parents take care of them. The older ones will need honest and helpful counseling for years.

I am not holding out hope that they will get any decent counseling.   And Anna will get no help;  she is likely to get some of the blame. 

[Oldernowiser]

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Nah, the number one priority is maintaining the squeaky clean Christian image.

Because that’s what feeds the bank account…and JB’s ego…

[GeeGolly]

I don't know if this has been mentioned because only skimming posts, I'm trying not to read about any charges. So please forgive me if it has.

From Yahoo:

"Faulkner also said Duggar had a program on his computer called "Covenant Eyes," which the agent described as "accountability software" that monitors and reports objectionable internet use to a partner and is meant to help people with porn addictions. According to Faulkner, the program was registered to Duggar and would send reports to his wife, Anna."

Was CP found on his phone? Did Anna know about this all along?

[Patricia07]

I was always worried about Mackenzie (sp?). Even in the photo they posted announcing their 7th child, I was looking at Mackenzie and wondering if she was okay.

[Lurk]

12 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

What message is he trying to give with this behavior?  A truly innocent man set up by the "ex con" would be absolutely horrified by these accusations and terrified of the possible consequences.  You'd think his lawyers would have told him how to act in front of people who are not part of the Duggar cult,

His cult has brainwashed him and his behavior. He's probably sitting there singing in his head "Jesus loves me this I know...." and that makes him smile.

*wretching*

[galaxygirl76]

1 hour ago, PrincessPurrsALot said:

In the words of Tom Petty:

Dang it!  I have a million things to do at work today.  I need answers!

I can't handle the truth. It's too disturbing. 

[WahooLAH99]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned because only skimming posts, I'm trying not to read about any charges. So please forgive me if it has.

From Yahoo:

"Faulkner also said Duggar had a program on his computer called "Covenant Eyes," which the agent described as "accountability software" that monitors and reports objectionable internet use to a partner and is meant to help people with porn addictions. According to Faulkner, the program was registered to Duggar and would send reports to his wife, Anna."

Was CP found on his phone? Did Anna know about this all along?

I have heard of Covenant Eyes! I have some religious friends. It is a browser and it sends reports of every website you visit to your accountability partner. One of the moms I know was mad because her kid took it off his phone. So she lost the ability to spy on him! She was losing her mind. It is mainly to monitor for porn and gambling!

[LexieLily]

11 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned because only skimming posts, I'm trying not to read about any charges. So please forgive me if it has.

From Yahoo:

"Faulkner also said Duggar had a program on his computer called "Covenant Eyes," which the agent described as "accountability software" that monitors and reports objectionable internet use to a partner and is meant to help people with porn addictions. According to Faulkner, the program was registered to Duggar and would send reports to his wife, Anna."

Was CP found on his phone? Did Anna know about this all along?

Assuming the reports actually did go to Anna and not another account that would be rerouted to Josh, if she did nothing and still allowed him access to their six minor children three of which are little girls, I don't quite know what to say about that.

Edited May 5, 2021 by LexieLily

[Lurk]

9 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Is it possible that he had a lot more than that but they're only focusing on the dates mentionned?

I find it hard to believe that they caught him the first time he did this.

That could be. I worked with computers and data networking since before pc's were common or there was an Internet. One thing I always told users at work, "you can run on the network, but you can't hide". Ultimately, even with something like TOR, it can be traced. It just might take a while and you'd have to have some real experts.

[CalicoKitty]

If another party (like Anna) knew about this on his computer, could that person also be arrested?

[Boston]

I decided to take a nap (i'm in Eastern time) and missed this whole shit show.  So what happened?  I'm trying to read between the lines in all you supreme people (no sarcasm, just real).. but i don't get it.  Was Josh released?  ankle bracelet?.. please lord don't tell me he was not let go to go home.  Thanks (great nap, though.. it's raining here)

Edited May 5, 2021 by Boston

[SMama]

15 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

If you add up the attorney's fees related to Joshgates 1&2, the settlement with the stripper, attorney's fees for the fraud case and this latest debacle (assuming it goes to trial), Boob must've spent at least 350k defending his Golden Boy. The retainer for this attorney alone had to have cost a fortune.

That money would be better spent taking care of the 7 innocent children who have had their world turned upside down by the sins of their father. Also to pay the ones who did the work, the 19. Maybe the adults can move on and live independently.

[Madtown]

1 minute ago, Boston said:

I decided to take a nap (i'm in Eastern time) and missed this whole shit show.  So what happened?  I'm trying to read between the lines in all you supreme people (no sarcasm, just real).. but i don't get it.  Was Josh released?  ankle bracelet?.. please lord don't tell me he was not let go to go home.  Thanks (great nap, though.. it's raining here)

Nothing posted yet. We are all waiting and waiting and waiting...

[Oldernowiser]

2 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

If another party (like Anna) knew about this on his computer, could that person also be arrested?

Or did Josh using the TOR workaround mean that she couldn’t see what he was doing?

[Jeeves]

8 minutes ago, Boston said:

I decided to take a nap (i'm in Eastern time) and missed this whole shit show.  So what happened?  I'm trying to read between the lines in all you supreme people (no sarcasm, just real).. but i don't get it.  Was Josh released?  ankle bracelet?.. please lord don't tell me he was let go to go home.  Thanks (great nap, though.. it's raining here)

We really don't know yet (as of 4:25 PM Central Time). The judge issued an order that nobody was to post on social media until the hearing is over. The Sun has run a story supposedly quoting some testimony. They may be correct. Or not. The NW Arkansas reporter I'm following on this, thanks to a tip from @Zella, has as of this minute not posted anything from the hearing which was supposed to start about 3 hours ago. It's Garrett Fergeson, @Garrett_photo on Twitter.

ETA: TMZ just posted a story that claims a Federal agent testified that there were 200 images on Josh's computer with children as young as 5. Not the same numbers and ages claimed in The Sun's online story from earlier this afternoon. I'm skeptical of all these early reports and I won't waste a single brain cell on whatever ignorant hash the twit at WOACB makes of it all on her YT channel. I'll wait for the end of the hearing to get the actual news.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Jeeves

[Future Cat Lady]

3 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Or did Josh using the TOR workaround mean that she couldn’t see what he was doing?

Maybe?

Also, would Anna know the difference between PornHub and whatever site he was looking at? She may have known he was looking at porn, but may not have known what kind of porn it was?

[Whyyouneedaname]

from what I could gather on Reddit he had an additional linux partition harddrive that the cp was on and Covenant Eyes was on the other part....so Anna maybe wasn't getting the alerts. Wow he is a sicko!!