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2 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Considering that if Josh is looking at CP, he's probably not very turned on by a woman. 

A similar line of thinking is what made me think months ago that his drive or compulsion wasn't children due to the Ashley Madison scandal.  (I think that's the correct name, but for some reason I'm never sure.)   I was operating under the assumption that his initial predation was upon children only because he had little to no access to much of anyone outside his sphere and that his drive had matured with him as he married and went trolling online for women.    I'd dearly love to have been correct and not have to recognize he's a relatively young man likely with years of life ahead in which he may again follow his compulsion to victimize children.   I can't decide if I want to puke, cry or rage at that thought.

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2 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

I never understand the sentencing.   State court handed out 5 years regardless of the case.  In Federal court, I've seen a few images get 7 years and terabytes of images get 10 years.   And I've never had a case where I testified apply enhancement penalties of images that fit the description. I had one case where I told the judge during sentencing that I had a folder of videos for him to watch, as they were the worst I'd ever seen.  He literally said "yes, yes, it's all horrible". .No, it's all bad.  Horrible is a different class of pervert.

Here enhancement happens by virtue of the scoring on the sentencing guidelines grid.   It leads to big battles when people are sentenced for all types of crimes as some level of habitual offender in addition to the case they may be currently being sentenced for because that habitual status means you slide to a different level of the grid and get additional points on some of the scoring, which means you wind up with higher minimum guidelines and higher maximum guidelines and likely wind up with a longer sentence.

What happens at the corrections level as far as how much of any sentence is served is what I can never understand.   I literally want to dance a jig at the knowledge that one of Josh's charges has a mandatory minimum.  

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19 minutes ago, CouchTater said:

Ugh.  I just had a flashback to Sansa Stark's wedding night, for any fellow Game of Thrones fans.  It wasn't pretty.

I barely lasted a few episodes of that show. Too violent for me.

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I’m sure more than just us wants to know the outcome of Josh’s bail hearing today. I thought some news would be out by now. 
*twiddling my thumbs* 

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3 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

I’m sure more than just us wants to know the outcome of Josh’s bail hearing today. I thought some news would be out by now. 
*twiddling my thumbs* 

Me too. I may have to actually do some work this afternoon 🤣

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I read somewhere that Jill and Amy were in attendance. It hasn't been confirmed yet. 

Just saw it on the Jill thread. The Sun reported it. 

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Just now, libgirl2 said:

I read somewhere that Jill and Amy were in attendance. It hasn't been confirmed yet. 

I think they were attending by zoom. Is this a good or bad thing that it’s taking so long? Golly...

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2 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

I read somewhere that Jill and Amy were in attendance. It hasn't been confirmed yet. 

Those are 2 of the last people I'd expect to be there.  If they were, I expect they were there to take notes to sell a story to the National Enquirer.  I don't think either of them was there to support Josh.

Maybe by Zoom for curiosity's sake.  We know JBoob wouldn't have invited either one of them.

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2 minutes ago, Annb67 said:

I think they were attending by zoom. Is this a good or bad thing that it’s taking so long? Golly...

Our resident experts tell us that this is unlikely to be a quick hearing, most likely, an hour or two.  I think the media won't release anything until it is over.

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Just now, doodlebug said:

Our resident experts tell us that this is unlikely to be a quick hearing, most likely, an hour or two.  I think the media won't release anything until it is over.

I know this has been mentioned before but I forgot. What time is the hearing?

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Just now, MargeGunderson said:

I agree that if they were there it wasn’t to support Josh. I wonder if it could be for Jill to see her abuser face his consequences. She might find that powerful. Amy would be there to support Jill.

My thinking as well. No way would I ever believe those two were there to support him.

 

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

I know this has been mentioned before but I forgot. What time is the hearing?

1:30 central time. It's been going for an hour now.

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1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

I know this has been mentioned before but I forgot. What time is the hearing?

It started (or was scheduled to start) at 1:30 central time, so just over an hour ago. 

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Just now, Madtown said:

My thinking as well. No way would I ever believe those two were there to support him.

 

1:30 central time. It's been going for an hour now.

Thank-you!

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The judge ordered no social media during the hearing. So anyone in attendance (via zoom or otherwise) is ordered to keep hush until the hearing is completed. If its taking a long time, either there is a delay or it could be a good sign - meaning that the prosecution is arguing firmly that Josh is indeed a flight risk and a danger.

Once over, there will be flurry of reporting I'm sure. The waiting is the worst part.

ETA - you should see the comments on other forums...people are losing their minds waiting for updates - lol.

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1 minute ago, Madtown said:

My thinking as well. No way would I ever believe those two were there to support him.

 

 

I agree, especially Amy. 

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Can the prosecutors 'call witnesses' to oppose his bail? 

For more context, like character witnesses. Maybe that's why Jill and Amy are there. If they are really there.

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35 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

He was going to strip clubs and banging hookers, too.  I think he’s more the type that will have sex with anything. He’s just not into that particular woman (Anna).  I doubt he ever really loved Anna. Or if he did, it was more in passing. 

My brain keeps trying to make a connection between a guy who lives in a culture that keeps women in a childlike condition - sticky-sweet voice, no authority over herself, etc - and being drawn to actual children. It makes a very awful kind of sense to me. These are men who likely have trouble dealing with independent, self-actualized women.

I am not accusing any of the other Duggars; I’m thinking about known offenders like Josh and Toby Willis. 

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6 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Those are 2 of the last people I'd expect to be there.  If they were, I expect they were there to take notes to sell a story to the National Enquirer.  I don't think either of them was there to support Josh.

Maybe by Zoom for curiosity's sake.  We know JBoob wouldn't have invited either one of them.

Finding out that one charge has a mandatory minimum and your comment have both managed to make me smile today about this.   JB has zero power in regards to this, absolutely none.   Being faced with that has to be inconceivable for him.  If it's unlikely he'll ever face legal justice for his part in enabling a predator I hope he at least suffers watching ever more control slip through his fingers, along with money and his precious reputation as a father and man of faith superior to all.   

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3 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Would Josh be above, or below the slab?

Inside it, preferably. 

ETA: Jinger has found a way to monetize Josh's arrest, at least: Jinger Duggar Recalls Josh's Molestation Scandal Becoming Public in 2015 | PEOPLE.com

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In the words of Tom Petty:

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The waiting is the hardest part
Every day you see one more card
You take it on faith, you take it to the heart
The waiting is the hardest part

Dang it!  I have a million things to do at work today.  I need answers!

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1 minute ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

My brain keeps trying to make a connection between a guy who lives in a culture that keeps women in a childlike condition - sticky-sweet voice, no authority over herself, etc - and being drawn to actual children. It makes a very awful kind of sense to me. These are men who likely have trouble dealing with independent, self-actualized women.

I am not accusing any of the other Duggars; I’m thinking about known offenders like Josh and Toby Willis. 

I think its worth repeating that Joy was five.  To me that speaks to perhaps his underlying neurodevelopmental differences. Perhaps he is hideously wired to be attracted to children (as is theorized to be the case with true pedophilia. My theory is that he sought out the Ashley Madison women in an attempt to suppress his horrific compulsions to abuse children. Perhaps he was trying to prove to himself that he was a man's man (albeit a "sinning" cheating despicable man's man).

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Wow Jill is there!? 100% that has to be to see her brother in a prison jumpsuit. Sure he isn't being held accountable for what he did to her so many years ago but he's at least facing the consequences for SOME of his disgusting behavior. I feel like Jill has grown very self aware - prob with therapy and all - she may have discussed it with her therapist and they decided it was a good idea for her to attend as a closure type of thing (not that this is the last hearing - even if he doesn't go to trial, a sentence will eventually be read into the record).

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1 minute ago, Tuxcat said:

I think its worth repeating that Joy was five.  To me that speaks to perhaps his underlying neurodevelopmental differences. Perhaps he is hideously wired to be attracted to children (as is theorized to be the case with true pedophilia. My theory is that he sought out the Ashley Madison women in an attempt to suppress his horrific compulsions to abuse children. Perhaps he was trying to prove to himself that he was a man's man (albeit a "sinning" cheating despicable man's man).

Or paying a woman for sex was dangerous and illegal and it turned him on to be the bad boy breaking the rules his parents laid down.

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This is taking forever. I'm going to get some sort of syndrome refreshing my social media constantly... 

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4 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

ETA: Jinger has found a way to monetize Josh's arrest, at least: Jinger Duggar Recalls Josh's Molestation Scandal Becoming Public in 2015 | PEOPLE.com

Jinger isn't actually recalling anything, the media is just quoting what is in her book.

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The Sun is doing some tweeting now. "65 images and one video"

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Removed the text from the sun article. the link is below in the comments. Warning graphic descriptions of the charges.

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6 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I think its worth repeating that Joy was five.  To me that speaks to perhaps his underlying neurodevelopmental differences. Perhaps he is hideously wired to be attracted to children (as is theorized to be the case with true pedophilia. My theory is that he sought out the Ashley Madison women in an attempt to suppress his horrific compulsions to abuse children. Perhaps he was trying to prove to himself that he was a man's man (albeit a "sinning" cheating despicable man's man).

And don’t forget that at least one of his hookups accused him of violence, I.e., control. He’s f*cked in the head for sure. 

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OK. Here is what The Sun is reporting. I wish I hadn't read it. I feel light-headed right now. Josh knows about the dark web: 

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The agent said: “October 2019, the IP address was assigned to Joshua Duggar with an address in Springdale, Arkansas."

A HP desktop computer from the car lot, a MacBook laptop in an RV Josh arrived in and Josh’s cell phone were confiscated by authorities.

Though Josh did was not informed of the reason for the investigation, he asked authorities if someone downloaded child pornography on his computer.

Josh admitted he had a TOR browser on his computer, which gives him access to the dark web anonymously. The agent explained how the child pornography could be found on the dark web.

The agent then said how he asked Josh about the images of minors 5 to 10 years old, he responded: "I'd rather not answer that question."

The password of one of the programs used to obtain the images was the last four digits of Mr. Duggar's birth year, the same password was used for Josh's bank accounts, websites and more.

Josh should plead guilty. Now. 

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1 minute ago, Crochetlady said:

I found this on Twitter. I don't know how true it is. 

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OK. Here is what The Sun is reporting. I wish I hadn't read it. I feel light-headed right now. Josh knows about the dark web: 

Josh should plead guilty. Now. 

I feel lightheaded too. Maybe we can trigger warn of graphic charges.

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Lol so he knew he was going down -- "Though Josh did was not informed of the reason for the investigation, he asked authorities if someone downloaded child pornography on his computer."

And I didn't say it in my prior post but yes you can have testifying witnesses at a bond hearing (besides LEOs). It'd be nice if Jill was there to testify to their living arrangement -- that the TTH just has kids wandering about and no there is no way to secure Josh away from children -- his own or others -- in that setting no matter what Josh's lawyers say. Though that's a pipe dream -- if she testifies against Josh and indirectly her parents, she has to be willing to say goodbye to her parents and the majority of her siblings forever as they'll never move past that.

And damn -- pics of kids as young as 18 MONTHS!? And his friends and family confirm he's a porn addict?? And the FBI agent testified it's one of the 5 worst files he's ever reviewed. Damn. Why are we at a bond hearing?? Let him stay in prison -- he and society are both safer that way.

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So this is so sickening and also stupid! I don’t do anything illegal or horrifying, online or IRL, and even I know that no one uses an easily deciphered password. Josh’s heart is missing and so is his brain.

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2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I feel lightheaded too. Maybe we can trigger warn of graphic charges.

That's a good thought. I'll try to go back and put it under a spoiler.

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I am literally in tears. It’s just too much. How...HOW do you remain with someone like that and keep having kids? They were his own kids ages!!? 😥

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If we are all absolutely disgusted(which is really an understatement), I can't imagine what Jill is feeling or thinking watching it.

 

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Just now, coconspirator said:

I hope ALL the Duggar siblings were on that zoom call and have heard for themselves the filth and evil that Josh had on his computer.  This isn't a God or Satan thing. He's a sick man who needs to be locked away from children. 

He will never change. I honestly think his next step would have been molestation (as an adult). 

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I am sickened and disgusted. I hope the judge denies bail, but I'm not hopeful. 

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I hope JB and Michelle were on the zoom call. I don't know how you defend that sort of thing.

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Charges have been made public that specifically name possession of Child Sexual Abuse Material, discussion of charges are allowed. However, discussion of victims, or possible victims (and their identities) related to these charges are NOT ALLOWED
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