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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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Zella

Zella

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2 hours ago, fonfereksglen said:

Since 1998,  my husband has had a LLC,  during the times he was a self employed one person business owner.   Nothing to do with capitalism.  Everything to do with income as a sub contractor with many clients.

 I have explained LLCs many times.  Never again!

Yes, I think there's definitely a distinction to be made between what the Duggars are doing and people who have legitimate LLCs. Some people are definitely shady with these types of business entities, but there are also perfectly legitimate reasons to have an LLC.

When I started my own part-time work-from-home business a couple of years ago, I chatted with my accountant about the pros and cons of sole proprietorship versus LLC. And in my particular case, we felt like sole proprietorship made more sense for me, but we also talked about various scenarios where that might change and an LLC might be more beneficial. She definitely recommended one if I started to make more money and it also offers asset protection in dealing with lawsuits or creditors that a sole proprietorship can't provide.

Not to that point yet of needing one for myself, but if the Duggars actually had a moderately successful business of their own, it would make good sense to have one. Of course, they don't, but it doesn't mean everyone who sets one up is doing so as a tax cheat. What to me is most suspicious about the Duggar LLCs isn't the fact they are LLCs but the fact most of these businesses seem to be in name only and the sheer quantity of them. 

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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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GeeGolly

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The LLCs are not a way of paying/giving money to the kids. They don't receive any money or any profit because the LLCs are not really businesses, they are property investments. Even the planes. The kids might receive a small tax return benefit by having something to claim.

I wonder how it works for Jeremy, because he lives in another state. I'm sure that must complicate things a wee bit.

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crazy8s

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21 hours ago, fonfereksglen said:

Since 1998,  my husband has had a LLC,  during the times he was a self employed one person business owner.   Nothing to do with capitalism.  Everything to do with income as a sub contractor with many clients.

 I have explained LLCs many times.  Never again!

Sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean to imply everyone with an LLC is somehow skirting taxes. I was only speaking on how I think the Duggars are using the LLCs. As you say, there are legitimate uses for self employed people and small businesses. Mike Seewald has one for the auto glass business and the Forsyth's have one for Fort Rock.  Both legitimate businesses.

The Duggars have about 30, with a majority of them formed since the loophole was created by the tax reform. All but JD's 4 are registered to the TTH address, including Jeremy's.  the ones formed years ago are perhaps real businesses. Duggar Properties and Duggar Aviation etc. 

But Anna has 6 and none are a real business. JED!'s shows the schoolhouse/church reno, which is surrounded by JB owned property etc.  also not a business. So it seems a JB tax shift.

 

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Future Cat Lady

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12 hours ago, fonfereksglen said:

Since 1998,  my husband has had a LLC,  during the times he was a self employed one person business owner.   Nothing to do with capitalism.  Everything to do with income as a sub contractor with many clients.

 I have explained LLCs many times.  Never again!

A lot of people may have legitimate reasons to have LLC, but JB seems to create those in his kids names to avoid taxes. And that should be illegal. It's really annoying that the rich can find a ton of loopholes to avoid paying taxes. 

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Churchhoney

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24 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

A lot of people may have legitimate reasons to have LLC, but JB seems to create those in his kids names to avoid taxes. And that should be illegal. It's really annoying that the rich can find a ton of loopholes to avoid paying taxes. 

Unfortunately, JB's current use of LLCs was only made legal in the 2018 federal tax law. That's why he's only now flooding the landscape with these.  Previously, the way he's using them now was  pretty much illegal or at least an invitation to get yourself audited. 

The ability to use them as this kind of free-n-easy tax shelter -- rather than for the numerous perfectly valid and valuable purposes they serve for small businesses and freelance workers, among others --  was something the wealthy have been demanding for years and years, and they finally got it. So Nelly, bar the door. And, uh, Jesus, about that "render unto Caesar" bullshit? JB don't-a need-a do it no more! Having a bazillion unemployed children turns out to be an extremely lucrative wealth strategy! 

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Kellyee

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it is a way for someone with a high income to move property to someone to pay less taxes.

say JB owns a property, JB has a high income and would be taxed accordingly. He moves a property into an LLC in say Jana's name. said property is now taxed in Jana's tax bracket. since Jana has no income, the tax is lower. Any rent paid by a business to rent Jana's tattoo parlor building would also be on Jana's taxes not JB's. is how I understand it. It is a pass through entity to lower the rich persons taxes.

Can Jim Bob still claim Jana as a dependent on his taxes? She lives in his house and her only jobs appear to be gardening and nanny to the younger kids.  

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Kellyee said:

Can Jim Bob still claim Jana as a dependent on his taxes? She lives in his house and her only jobs appear to be gardening and nanny to the younger kids.  

 

 

 

 

Based on what we know, yes he could claim her as a dependent. But if he is filtering income through her name or her LLC’s, then he probably isn’t claiming her.

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doodlebug

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4 hours ago, Kellyee said:

Can Jim Bob still claim Jana as a dependent on his taxes? She lives in his house and her only jobs appear to be gardening and nanny to the younger kids.  

 

 

 

 

Probably not.  Children can be claimed until the age of 19 if not in school or 24 if they are a full time student.  It probably works out better for JB to shift some assets to her LLC and then Jana can claim them as income and pay taxes at a much lower rate than JB since she doesn't have any other source of income.

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crazy8s

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Jana's Tattoo parlor building shows up in her actual name in a property search, not under her LLC. Interesting that property is one of few that the kids have that didn't filter first through Mary, the JB and Michelle trust or a Duggar LLC. Surely JB put up the money to buy it. but the tax bill is in her real name and she also has the one LLC, so I don't think JB could claim her as a dependent.

Travis Story and their acct Jimmy Burns might figure otherwise.

 

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On 7/24/2020 at 10:26 AM, doodlebug said:

Probably not.  Children can be claimed until the age of 19 if not in school or 24 if they are a full time student.  It probably works out better for JB to shift some assets to her LLC and then Jana can claim them as income and pay taxes at a much lower rate than JB since she doesn't have any other source of income.

JB can claim Jana as a dependent if she isn’t earning and income and claiming herself. My Mom still claims my sister at 32 and when my grandfather was alive she claimed him because she financially supported him. Plenty of people claim adult relatives they are supporting financially- they just don’t get the child credit. 

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Churchhoney

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8 hours ago, MunichNark said:

 

No idea why she feels to superior, she's married to a disgusting piece of shit.

I'd guess it  just feels better to her own ego to persist in the view of the Duggs and Princeling Joshley that she was sold at the time of her marriage and that got even more inflated when Joshley was elevated to high-super-fundie-muckety-muck-judgmentalist in DC -- right before Humpty Dumpty Duggar fell off the wall ....

So she just blots everything else she's experienced as a Duggar-in-love out of her consciousness and basks in the feeling of superiority she once claimed as her due. 

And her superior pose seems to be getting rewarded to at least some degree, since Gothard types now name her as a wonderful "mentor" to young women in their misogyny cult.  (which makes me pull my hair out)

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Jana's Tattoo parlor building shows up in her actual name in a property search, not under her LLC. Interesting that property is one of few that the kids have that didn't filter first through Mary, the JB and Michelle trust or a Duggar LLC. Surely JB put up the money to buy it. but the tax bill is in her real name and she also has the one LLC, so I don't think JB could claim her as a dependent.

I still wouldn't want to be Jana. Her life looks even more painful than Anna's. And I'm not saying that because she is single and childless (I am single and childless too). None of these young women are allowed to have a life until some guy comes along to marry them. The boys can be single and move out, but Jana is stuck in that house living in a dorm with her little sisters, even though she's 30 years old. Her "jobs" are really just hobbies. 

As for Anna and Josh, I'm betting pregnancy #7 will be along any day. I still remember the agonized look on Josh's face when they filmed Anna announcing her pregnancy with Meredith. I'm not sure who is more trapped in the situation: Anna or Josh. 

 

 

 

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GeeGolly

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4 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Didn’t they go to LA to visit jingle? Or was that a supervised trip?

JB & M were there at least part of the time. But I doubt they spent the entire trip with them in the RV.

Came back to add: I think they've been to FL a couple of times since the second scandal.

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2 hours ago, dargosmydaddy said:

I can see Gideon in him, too.

Does anyone know who the guy in the red shirt is? We've got Josh, Anna, and family, Mrs. Keller, Nathan and the other younger brother, and...?

Daniel? I remember reading that he was in an accident, but I thought that was two years ago or so. Is he still in a wheelchair?

Temperance

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Just now, madpsych78 said:

Daniel? I remember reading that he was in an accident, but I thought that was two years ago or so. Is he still in a wheelchair?

He wasn't in a wheelchair last time he showed up on the Wallers blog about 6 months ago. He was living with his second wife and not his parents. 

yes He appears in the Waller family blog in the post Exciting Adventure. Daniel, his wife Diana and David installed a floor together and he's not in a wheelchair. 

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Picture It. Sicily

Picture It. Sicily

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4 hours ago, Temperance said:

He wasn't in a wheelchair last time he showed up on the Wallers blog about 6 months ago. He was living with his second wife and not his parents. 

yes He appears in the Waller family blog in the post Exciting Adventure. Daniel, his wife Diana and David installed a floor together and he's not in a wheelchair. 

Maybe he used a chair because a museum can be a lot of walking for someone with an injury, even if they can walk most of the time. My mom could walk, but we had a wheelchair to make certain outings easier for both of us. It made her want to get out more actually, because she didn't have to worry about "how much can I do/see before I start to wear out? Maybe I just shouldn't go, I'll be too much trouble".

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