S11.E13: Season’s Grillings

[hoosier80]

I didn’t watch closely, but did Kyle really cook the food? Foil tins could mean take out or catered, maybe Kyle just reheated or pretended to cook.

Rinna in her soft fake voice getting all pseudo religious at the end with Erika. 
I think Erika knew something. She had to know something was shady, at the very least. I think she knew more and helped hide or launder money. How does being unconscious equate to dementia? If he had declined that badly, even if he was super mean lawyer, she had legal recourse to say he’s unfit to manage money. The law firm would not notice he was that out of it? But then he’s back to being super lawyer. It’s like Jekyll and Hyde, the dementia years.

Dorit, shut up and look for your missing spine. Rinna close your large lips. Just super glue them together. 
 

 

[For Cereals]

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

What's this show playing with Brandi Glanville???

I thought it was Charo until her name came up.

About the wasted food, it looked like one of them was turning their plate like a lazy Susan, like they didn’t quite know what to do with so much food in front of them.

[Mrs peel]

On a different topic, what craptastic holiday decorations they have.  Absolutely nothing that seemed to have any personal connection with their families.  I wonder if it was all rented?  

Dorit had a Menorah on her Christmas tree, ok then.  Kyle is Jewish but has 3 Christmas trees?  I didn’t see a Menorah anywhere.

put me on the side of those who don’t think Kyle made the dinner (though she may know how to cook.)

 

 

[UsernameFatigue]

I loved Kathy saying that the grilling Erica got (such as it was) was good practice - lol.

Also loved Sutton sticking to her guns, but at the end of the night giving Erica a present. I love Sutton! 

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by UsernameFatigue

[Cosmocrush]

2 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

How did the guy sleep at nights?

Next to Erika.  He knew that the minute he stopped bankrolling her pop star hobby, she would be gone.  Maybe he thought he'd die before anyone found out? 

[Miss Slay]

I thought the majority of the women appeared very fake during their dinner with Erika. She's going to see what you said, ladies. 

I'm really not liking Dorit this season - between her tonedeaf comments about race last episode to her calling Garcelle a bully next episode. I'd like to see her leave the show soon.

Also, has anyone noticed the toxic clique that has developed between Rinna, Erika, Kyle, and Dorit? They make sure to stick together and pick one person every year to go after -- usually so that person will leave the show. I think they picked Garcelle this season but all the Erika stuff came up. I find it to be boring and repetitive. The show would be better if atleast two people from the clique were gone.

[amarante]

2 hours ago, endure said:

I was stunned by the foil roasters! Doesn't she have nice serving platters, bowls, stainless even?

I don’t think Kyle cooked that meal. I think it was delivered by a catering firm which just sent over one or two people to physically set up the food. It looked like the way those kinds of meals are delivered as the catering company doesn’t expect to get back any of the packaging.  

I don’t know what it is like in other areas but there is a lot of those kinds of packages for holiday dinners in Los Angeles. 

I think Kyle can cook but preparing that many different dishes is a lot of work even though the dishes themselves are pretty simple. Cooking a lasagna and slicing up some bread for an informal dinner is completely different than preparing multiple dishes for a holiday type of feast  

Also it looked like whatever meats had been presliced and just put in the foil containers. No evidence of a turkey carcass or ham in the kitchen. 

Edited August 19, 2021 by amarante

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I don't remember Kyle having a glam squad before. Ok, not a squad, but a glam person?

I do remember she'd have someone come before her White Parties at the old house.  I specifically remember because I didn't know that was even possible. 

1 hour ago, Stats Queen said:

5. Erika had actually no emotion or affect during this whole conversation, she sounded like a robot.

I think she was on Xanax or something similar.  It's probably why she didn't drink.  I remember a really terrible time in my life when multiple things came apart at once (marriage, job) and I called my doc and told her I was afraid I was going to stroke out.  She told me to come in and gave me some of the good stuff plus Xanax.  She wouldn't refill it but it helped me cope in the short term.   So yeah, I'm thinking she is probably on something.  

Edited August 19, 2021 by Cosmocrush

[RealHousewife]

6 minutes ago, amarante said:

I don’t think Kyle cooked that meal. I think it was delivered by a catering firm which just sent over one or two people to physically set up the food. It looked like the way those kinds of meals are delivered as the catering company doesn’t expect to get back any of the packaging.  
I don’t know what it is like in other areas but there is a lot if those kinds of packages fir holiday dinners in Los Angeles. 
I think Kyle can cook but preparing that many different dishes is a lot of work even thigh the dishes themselves are pretty simple. Also it looked like whatever meats had been presliced and just put in the foil containers. No evidence of a Turkey carcass or ham in the kitchen. 

I can cook but find it overwhelming to have a lot cooking at once, even if everything's easy individually. A bunch of dishes for an on-camera dinner party would stress me out. I don't know if it's no big deal for more seasoned cooks or what. 

11 minutes ago, Miss Slay said:

I thought the majority of the women appeared very fake during their dinner with Erika. She's going to see what you said, ladies. 

I'm really not liking Dorit this season - between her tonedeaf comments about race last episode to her calling Garcelle a bully next episode. I'd like to see her leave the show soon.

Also, has anyone noticed the toxic clique that has developed between Rinna, Erika, Kyle, and Dorit? They make sure to stick together and pick one person every year to go after -- usually so that person will leave the show. I think they picked Garcelle this season but all the Erika stuff came up. I find it to be boring and repetitive. The show would be better if atleast two people from the clique were gone.

All this. I've often defended Dorit. There were times I took her side regarding drama with Kyle, Erika, Rinna, even a bit with Vanderpump. She's really rubbing me the wrong way this season though. I don't like the clique at all. First they went after Vanderpump, then Denise, and I also think the target would have been Garcelle if it weren't for Erika's scandals. I'd choose Erika and Rinna to be out. They're the two most toxic imo. 

[Cosmocrush]

20 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Also it looked like whatever meats had been presliced and just put in the foil containers. No evidence of a Turkey carcass or ham in the kitche

This doesn't mean it wasn't catered but there was a shot of a whole turkey (in a foil roasting pan) and Kyle's housekeeper carving a turkey with an electric knife.  

Edited August 19, 2021 by Cosmocrush

[Rosebud1970]

4 hours ago, funnygirl said:

Not Dorito trying to come for Garcelle. Her and her fake accent and shady business dealings do not want that smoke. 

It was especially rich, listening to Dorito preaching about financial integrity and citing her grifter husband as an authority on finance, knowing that the two of them are in hock to the IRS and the CA Franchise Tax Board to the tune of millions in back taxes. They’re one step ahead of debtors’ prison.

And she consistently dresses like a high-end street walker. What’s with the sheer leggings and thigh high boots? I keep hearing Blair Waldorf’s voice…”Leggings are not pants!”

[amarante]

On a shallow note, Erika’s face looked bad at the dinner party

Is it because she doesn’t have the expensive glam squad or because her stress level is impacting her face?

Of course the picture in the attic might not be working its magic any longer and so her face is reflecting her moral depravity. 🧟‍♀️🧟‍♀️

Edited August 19, 2021 by amarante

[Cheezwiz]

Erika at the party:

"I don't know if the rats are leaving the ship, or if I'm leaving the rats".

No Erika, YOU'RE  the rat that's leaving the party!

Was impressed with Sutton's research & comprehension skills (I know it's a low bar with these women), and sticking to her guns without getting rattled or emotional.

I was kind of rooting for Dorit at the pre-party confab they had, but it seems she misplaced her spine.

Garcelle's holiday meal looked delicious - I'm normally not a ham fan, but hers looked really appetizing, and I was very intrigued by the Haitian specialities she made - I would love to try the plantains & pork dish she made.

Kyle's meal (whether she cooked it or not) had me salivating as well - especially that shot of her dipping a slice of turkey into hot gravy. It's blazing hot August, but suddenly I'm daydreaming about holiday meals!

Go Garcelle & Sutton!

[Marley]

Erika is a dumb bitch. I can’t stand looking at her stupid face. I hope ppl stick up for Sutton because Erika is going to make it her mission to be a total fucking c*** to her for the rest of the season.

Rinna can shut the fuck up.

Garcelle is my new fave. Cracked me up when she called Teddi a gnat. Also she finally pointed out the victims.

Tom has been ripping ppl off for years so this whole 3 year thing with his diminished health is a legal strategy at this point and to me proves that.Erika knew what was going on even more because she keeps repeating it.

When she kept saying I wonder where the money is it’s like bitch you spent it on your joke of a pop career and private jets and everything Tom bought you. There’s no way she didn’t know where that money was coming from. She just didn’t care. Disgusting human beings.

Lol it also sounded like if Erika really didn’t know all that money with Tom that she probably wants to find it and have it for herself.

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

3 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Erika actually tried to shame Sutton for reading the LA Times article.  To quote her, that’s “not cool.”

also, Rinna can go to hell.  She sounds like a loon with the unconditional support of Erika.

B- - - h

T- - t

C - - t

She is beyond.

No one has invented a word that accurately describes Erika.

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by hoodooznoodooz

[hoodooznoodooz]

20 minutes ago, Marley said:

Erika is a dumb bitch. I can’t stand looking at her stupid face. I hope ppl stick up for Sutton because Erika is going to make it her mission to be a total fucking c*** to her for the rest of the season.

Rinna can shut the fuck up.

Garcelle is my new fave. Cracked me up when she called Teddi a gnat. Also she finally pointed out the victims.

Tom has been ripping ppl off for years so this whole 3 year thing with his diminished health is a legal strategy at this point and to me proves that.Erika knew what was going on even more because she keeps repeating it.

When she kept saying I wonder where the money is it’s like bitch you spent it on your joke of a pop career and private jets and everything Tom bought you. There’s no way she didn’t know where that money was coming from. She just didn’t care. Disgusting human beings.

Lol it also sounded like if Erika really didn’t know all that money with Tom that she probably wants to find it and have it for herself.

 

You win the internet Olympics.

[MsTree]

4 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

he managed to keep his own lies straight whenever he talked to the victims, coming up with stories of why he just couldn't give them the money they were owed, darn it, no matter how much he wanted to!

For those of us who don't have Hulu, did the show cover exactly what story he told the victims for not being able to give them their money?

[hoodooznoodooz]

3 hours ago, Mrs peel said:

She doesn’t know what happened to the money?  Well, $20mm went to you and your paid friends.  And never was so much money wasted.   

I can’t find ANY value in anything she spent money on.
 

(Except that she makes me feel superior to her.)

[hoodooznoodooz]

4 minutes ago, MsTree said:

For those of us who don't have Hulu, did the show cover exactly what story he told the victims for not being able to give them their money?

I will try, but I know others will describe the events better.

Tom claimed that the lawyer the authorities assigned to police the compensation funds was waffling or dropping the ball.

 

[sheetmoss]

5 hours ago, endure said:

I was stunned by the foil roasters! Doesn't she have nice serving platters, bowls, stainless even?

I believe Kyle used the foil pans as liners in the chafing dishes

[sheetmoss]

6 hours ago, TomGirl said:

That thing Garcelle is wearing… words fail me!

I told my sis she looked like a Guinea Fowl😉

[MrsWitter]

4 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Erika actually tried to shame Sutton for reading the LA Times article.  To quote her, that’s “not cool.”

When you don’t read (documents), the only places you go are prison or back to Shakers. #readingiscool

Edited August 19, 2021 by MrsWitter

[renatae]

8 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

She obviously is right thinking that offense is thte best defense and so does Rinna--but I think Garcelle and Sutton will wind up looking better in the end. Garcelle is right about her not showing any anger at Tom, despite the fact that she's claiming that Tom basically used her, made up an LLC and put her name on it and then funnelled money into it that she wasn't allowed to know about...?

And, oh, please, he funnels $20 million into her account and she doesn't notice?

This sudden ignorance of how to even walk into a bank, much less have a clue about an account balance, is so unbelievable in someone so cunning.

[CrinkleCutCat]

Little Mouse has a backbone.

Edited August 19, 2021 by CrinkleCutCat

[Vanderboom]

8 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Sutton is a dog with a bone and I LOVE IT.  It pains me to say this because god, I hated how she treated Crystal, but I love it.  KEEP GOING INSPECTOR GADGET

I know, right?! The Sutton Redemption Arc is awesome. Sutton the Performatively Fragile becomes Sutton the Heroic Legal Analyst who can't be stopped, not even by the bus Dorit threw her under. I hope Sutton, Garcelle, and Crystal end up on the same side of Andy at the reunion.

Someone--maybe Mikey?--should tell Erika that the Our Maiden of Eternal Sorrow Act would be more convincing if her stories were more consistent. At the very least, she could say that finding out about the victims was the final straw that made her glad to be getting a divorce, along with his cheating and mistreatment. See how that all hangs together? You don't need the bizarre car accident (who on Earth would call Erika and not the police if they drove off a cliff?) or proof of diminished mental capabilities to be on the right side of this.

[tvfanatic13]

Sutton King Edmond for the win!

[renatae]

9 hours ago, Thumper said:

First time I’ve heard Ericka say the victims need to be taken care of. 

But the other ladies had to bring it up first.

[65mickey]

Erika sure looked and spoke like she was medicated. The no thanks to Kyle's offer of a drink served 2 purposes. She can't drink while on Zanax and she needs to be really sober to keep her lies straight. Oh and her comment that she drove herself implying that she has fallen on hard financial times, please. Bravo provides cars and drivers anytime there is alcohol involved. This started after Nene and Kim were filmed in a car driving and drinking wine. 

[bkathi]

11 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Those scenes don't bother me, but I wonder if Kyle is trying to get a cooking spin-off or something. 

Like LVP's show on E.

[CainF]

Garcelle wins MVP this episode.  Sutton and Crystal were good assists.

But something tells me that as soon as Sutton called the group together to discuss Erika sans Erika that Kyle and Rinna went straight to Erika and they hatched a plan to get Erika's denials out there full force at what everyone suspected was going to be an uncomfortable, antagonistic holiday gathering.  The about-face reversals that some of these women did when they went into full talk-show mode with Erika is disgusting, particularly Dorit.  Teddi's back, too, so that she can stick it to all of them, or at least all of them with lawsuits who shouldn't be throwing stones here.

And again I must ask, how stupid are these women?  They want to get the truth out of Erika, but somehow think she will admit  she knew about everything, on camera, because of hard questions from caring friends?  And how stupid do they think Erika is, that she would admit to an iota of anything?  

Sutton was double-crossed.  Garcelle came through with her 'fuck Tom' comment (and by extension, seemed an unstated 'fuck you too Erika'), though.  I'm sure Erika walked away thinking, 'mission accomplished; the lawyers will love this footage of how I am responding to this vicious attack on my integrity and innocence.'

Erika, you are no Meryl Streep.  And why you thought any of this season would help you in this legal mess is beyond me.  Putting your cold persona on display and repeating these stories are not helping, but I did appreciate that Tom's timeline for his mental illness is now slightly longer at 3, 3 and a half or whatever it was, years ago when Erika started noticing.  An important detail, since clearly it's established that 3 years just doesn't line up.

[Chatty Cake]

Some things I imagined behind the scenes include Erika dropping off a locked box at Rinnas and telling her to hold it for her. Production reading the Times article out loud to Teddi and telling her nobody will say anything about her encouraging people to eat air for 2 of their 3 meals.

Now for what actually aired. My first thought is, other than Garcelle, what a group of scared hypocrites. I can see where it would be hard to confront your friendly coworker but since they had an actual meeting about it, they should follow through. That said, I can see it being difficult when presented with your depressed coworker to start questioning them at a Christmas dinner.  

Sutton did okay, but she started to waiver when she saw that the others weren’t going to help her.

Dorit said at the meeting she spoke to her lawyer, then at the dinner she told Erika she spoke to PK, to which I thought Erika was going to break character and burst out laughing.

Kyle is wishy washy. 

Garcelle held the others accountable for what they had said at the meeting. She was the best part of the last nights show.

Lisa Rinna 👄🤮

 

[pasdetrois]

I wonder if the federal raid a while back was due to suspicions of money laundering?

Interesting that no one said to Erika that everyone has seen where a lot of the money went (luxurious lifestyle, her business, etc.). No one on the show has brought that up - why not? It's such a simple concept. Her Bravo storyline has been all of the money she spends.

Erika looked like the dog's dinner at Kyle's party. Her face looked like one of those drawings that show you where to put makeup. Clearly she's doing her own glam now.

Except for Sutton (and Rinna), they all went from pretty strong statements against Erika at Dorit's house to meek declarations of support at Kyle's dinner. Even Garcelle pulled her punches.

Kyle's meal was clearly catered, and it appears that the caterers arrived kind of late. Kyle flapped around pretending that she was more involved.

Edited August 19, 2021 by pasdetrois

[filmfan2480]

Marley said: "Tom has been ripping ppl off for years so this whole 3 year thing with his diminished health is a legal strategy at this point and to me proves that. Erika knew what was going on even more because she keeps repeating it.

When she kept saying I wonder where the money is it’s like bitch you spent it on your joke of a pop career and private jets and everything Tom bought you. There’s no way she didn’t know where that money was coming from."

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^ This is the overwhelming sentiment I feel, as well. ^

As for how Erika looked ... tons of make-up and, she indeed looked like she has not been sleeping.

As for Sutton and Garcelle ... right on, girls!

And, as is usually the case, Kathy has the best comment/insight of an episode: "this is good practice".

Edited August 19, 2021 by filmfan2480

[Nicmar]

8 hours ago, MrsWitter said:

Ms. Accountability Coach can miss me with her impassioned “we don’t know, none of us know” speech. She filmed this in December 2020, after her All In program was dragged in a bunch of media outlets that Fall after former clients detailed the bullying and toxicity fundamental to her MLM-esque scheme. 
 

I’m no defender of Erika, but IMO, Teddi might be just as bad. She’s running a cultish scam where women pay her and her “coaches” to berate them into an eating disorder. And engaging in really shady financial practices to keep it going (like having clients for their services via the “friends and family” method on PayPal). I’m not saying Teddi’s crimes and Tom’s are the same, but Teddi is the leader and architect of her con, while Erika was a beneficiary of Tom’s. 
 

Time for the underfed little “gnat” to go away.

I wonder if Teddi had to take pictures of her plate of food she had a Christmas Dinner. That plate looked more than the 500 calories per day your allowed on her so called diet! lol

[Ms Blue Jay]

2 hours ago, Vanderboom said:

I know, right?! The Sutton Redemption Arc is awesome. Sutton the Performatively Fragile becomes Sutton the Heroic Legal Analyst who can't be stopped, not even by the bus Dorit threw her under. I hope Sutton, Garcelle, and Crystal end up on the same side of Andy at the reunion.

It's true.  Everyone is so shocked that Sutton "didn't cry" but she HAD to cry with Crystal because she knew that she was in the wrong and it was a manipulative strategy, nothing more.

With Erika she's in the right and she knows it.  Nothing to cry about and no need to.  

[Baltimore Betty]

The fact that Erika said she has not spoken to her lawyer about how to deal with the items published and just through out the day questions the HW's might ask on camera is just plain stupid.  I would have thought her team would have grilled her about how to answer questions as in taking the 5th or changing the subject, are they really okay with Erika attempting to build her defense via this show?  

Side note, Erika outfit looked like she shopped at the Limited, is that her way of showing how humble she is now, not one designer label screaming on that outfit and her make up was awful, she is so pretty with the less is more look and she did that to herself?

Sutton, looked fabulous in her green silk and stole ensemble, I thought she tread lightly but did okay in conveying her thoughts but unfortunately she will forever be on Erika's shit list for that.

Garcelle is not afraid to call out anyone and she did a great job at that dinner, once again we have Dorit tripping over her brain/mouth connection trying to fence sit, she will never pick a lane when it comes to Erika for whatever reason.

Kyle did not make any of that food, the tin chafers are below my standards with having catering at my house so I was shocked it was okay with Kyle, given her two attempts to cook for the HW's, no way did she whip up any of what was served.

Teddi? Did we know she was invited? Whatever.

Kathy, she is a refreshing change...her folksy expressions make no sense and fails to understand the Honky Dory type of expressions we all know...her line about the dinner time questioning of Erika was good practice for her was the funniest tension relieving quip and probably the only thing she said at dinner.  Her dress was awful, that is the real crime, all that money and she had that in her closet but so far I love Kathy so wearing bad fashion can be over looked I guess.

If Erika goes to jail which of the HW's will go visit her?

 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

Unpopular opinion: I don't think Kyle is trying to get a cooking show or what have you with all of the cooking she's doing. I think that everyone last year, she was stuck in the house and forced to do a lot of the cooking for her family. And given that most of this was filmed in November and December, I'm guessing she was just being extra careful in terms of who she was bringing into the house. In other words, I think that the cooking she's doing is out of a combination of necessity and boredom.

(But it's possible in this case that she pre-ordered stuff and that's fine).

I liked that Sutton responded to each of the gotcha questions from either Rinna or Erika - "but you talked to a lawyer?" "But you said you care about your reputation?" - with a straightforward acknowledgement that she did. There's nothing wrong with her talking to a lawyer about the situation or wanting to protect her own reputation.  Erika's response was to insinuate that Sutton's priorities were somehow not in the right order IMO Sutton defused that by not denying that she did those things and by not apologizing for doing so. 

[rlc]

12 hours ago, Thumper said:

First time I’ve heard Ericka say the victims need to be taken care of. 

She left out the part that she considers herself to be the biggest victim.

[chlban]

10 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

I hate to kick someone when they’re down….except Erika.  She looked really bad at Kyle’s dinner.  Makeup and hair was a mess.  Her outfit was not good.  Was she going for “down-trodden” and whatever she thinks “poor” looks like?  Her acting shtick isn’t getting better either, and she’s been preparing for one hell of a role when it’s trial time.  The self driving to the party was just a tad OTT too. Her world weary, monotone, apathetic manner of (not) answering any questions was laughable.  

Rinna is a garbage person. Whatever dirt that is tying her to Erika’s butthole will come out eventually.  Her reputation suffered last year after attacking Denise (on top of her past bullying of other previous cast mates), and I can’t wait to see how she’ll try to wiggle out of her blind loyalty to Erika’s complicity in Tom’s serial thievery.  

Dorit is not quite a garbage person, but she is cutting it close. Her two faced attitude with Sutton and Erika is so typical for her. She is just so stupid. When she told the group of girls that she too had “consulted with people” about potential damage via association w/ Erika, the editors revealed  her crackerjack legal eagles were PK and Boy George?!?!?  Although…PK giving advice on navigating treacherous waters of financials woes has worked so well for him already. He hasn’t been jailed.  He hasn’t paid back loans or debts. And he keeps getting to move into multimillion dollar homes every 6 months.  Maybe Erika will hire PK as an advisor on how to temporarily dodge the karma train.

Sutton is smarter than she’s given credit.  Aside from being literate enough to read and comprehend a newspaper article (even a really long one), she is savvy in the ways of detecting bullshit.  I would watch her over Dorit or Rinna any day.  A show with Sutton, Garcelle and Crystal as front runners would be much more enjoyable.  Kyle and Kathy can be “friends”, but Dorit, Rinna and Erika can fall off the planet anytime. 

Dog dumper Dorit is, and has always been, a trash person. I thought she was trying a redemption ark, but her near hysterical tantrum over having to rinse a dish last week and her usual phony two faced routine last night ruined that. Not that she could ever redeem herself to me. I detest her. 

[TV Diva Queen]

Random thoughts:

The zoom in on the house brand bags of frozen peas was awesome

It wouldn't surprise me if Kyle has a in home deli meat slicer, that ham was beautiful

EJ drove herself and was drinking pop so she can leave when she wanted to

I feel Sutton's forensic account found a boatload of money in her divorce

Where there two buffets set up?

Erica looked awful and not in a "i'm getting sued" kind of way, in a "I lost my glam squad and I don't know how to dress myself or apply make up" kind of way.

Kathy and the "it gives you practice" line was GREAT

[amarante]

1 hour ago, CainF said:

 

Erika, you are no Meryl Streep.  And why you thought any of this season would help you in this legal mess is beyond me.  Putting your cold persona on display and repeating these stories are not helping, but I did appreciate that Tom's timeline for his mental illness is now slightly longer at 3, 3 and a half or whatever it was, years ago when Erika started noticing.  An important detail, since clearly it's established that 3 years just doesn't line up.

One of the other problems with blaming dementia for Tom is that there are lots of witnesses who will be able to testify that they saw no change in his behavior - or more importantly - change in his cognitive functions.

He was actually giving speeches before professional meetings up to the end. I am not sure what the timeline was for those speeches but one of the lawyers interviewed on the Hulu documentary described interacting with him and viewing the speeches and doubting he was impaired. I realized that AZ patients can have lucid moments but it seems unlikely that he would be able to have carried on as a professional person as well as meeting multiple people in his persona of big shot/power broker and NO ONE would have noticed.

I don't know exactly when Erika knew ALL of the sordid details but all of this coverup - starting with the "divorce" is definitely a plan by the two of them to coordinate in an attempt to build a defense and to preserve assets. Tom was deposed at least ONCE several months before the divorce - this was the deposition in which he claimed he had no money even though he had once had $80 million - $50 million in cash.

She was also repeatedly subpoenaed to be depose during this period. However clueless she is attempting to paint herself and how removed she was, at that point even a dumb wife would ask her husband - or more importantly - her attorneys what this was all about. Any one who is deposed generally hires an attorney to be with them at the deposition to protect their interests and offer advice on how to answer. This is part of why Sutton's attorney advised her to remove herself from any entanglement or appearance of insider knowledge. It doesn't take much to be put on the witness/deposition list.

And left unstated because they can't break the fourth wall - Sutton is NOT Erika's friend. She is a co-worker with whom she has a working relationship in which they are both paid to interact with each other. I have had "friendships" with co-workers but I sure as hell would have distanced myself if they were involved in something like this because I don't owe them the kind of loyalty I do towards someone who is actually a friend.

I am just interested in how this is all going to play out during the reunion. I know how Erika will deflect in terms of not answering any difficult questions because of legal issues which is what Tre was able to do. But with BH almost the ONLY relevant part of the show is how the ladies continued to support Erika as more information came in and how they continued to support her AFTER the show when the information became even more damning. 

[heatherchandler]

12 hours ago, Ss55 said:

Erika seemed stoned. She finally acknowledges the victims but it was half assed and not convincing. 

 

She was complete fucked up, like how I am after a pill or 2.. she walked into the bumper of her car when she arrived at Kyle’s.

Edited August 19, 2021 by heatherchandler

[amarante]

34 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Unpopular opinion: I don't think Kyle is trying to get a cooking show or what have you with all of the cooking she's doing. I think that everyone last year, she was stuck in the house and forced to do a lot of the cooking for her family. And given that most of this was filmed in November and December, I'm guessing she was just being extra careful in terms of who she was bringing into the house. In other words, I think that the cooking she's doing is out of a combination of necessity and boredom.

 

I agree that people were limiting household help during the pandemic - and actually many people I know are limiting it again with the surge in the Delta variant and breakthrough infections even among those fully vaccinated. My friends paid their long term housekeepers NOT to show up and bought Roombas 😀

I do think Kyle actually cooks and probably did a lot more cooking for her family because everyone was eating at home. However, I don't think she cooked that kind of multi-course meal for the large group. Even though the individual elements were not complex, it is really exhausting to cook multiple dishes and have them all ready on time and ready to be served. Those large tin containers with the multiple industrial looking warmers just looked like the way catered food is delivered and set up. It's quite a bit different than when a caterer prepares a meal on site or when an individual makes Thanksgiving dinner 

[StevieRocks]

Standing ovation to Sutton's response to ErICKa~

"You talked to an attorney about MEEEEE?"

"Of course I did."

Your <self-righteous>????? bullying doesn't work on everyone, you reprehensible, egregious cow. 

[StevieRocks]

Vyle, you will NEVER be LVP. You are illiterate, tone-deaf, wishy washy, unable to string together a coherent sentence, BORING, and you sold out your sister in the back of a limo on national tv. Can't wait to see Kathy burn her ass next week about that moronic flop of a tv show. 

[Chatty Cake]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

If Erika goes to jail which of the HW's will go visit her?

 

Whoever signs up for the Bravo “Erika Checks In” special. Probably Rinna and Kyle.

[90sfan]

I think Rinna tipped off Erika about what was going to happen at that dinner. Rinna wants to be/stay on Erika's good side for some reason and knew Erika would come after her (even off camera) about having a secret meeting and then planning to grill her at dinner.

Everything Erika does is calculated and performative. It always has been and still is about an image that she is trying to portray. She drove herself because it appears more relatable and "poor" (even though we all know Bravo arranges for the drivers). She was dressed like how Lindsay Lohan used to dress for court, like what how your lawyers tell you to dress so you are not seen as the party girl accused of a DUI. Then her attitude was so controlled and subdued. She regrets how she reacted to Garcelle in Palm Springs, so she did everything to not react. It helped that Rinna likely filled her in on everything so she wasn't blind-sided.

I do also understand that Erika can't really answer any of their questions. It's bad enough for her legally that she's on this show, but anything she says can be used against her.

Garcelle was 100% correct in noting that Erika doesn't show any anger towards Tom which is strange. And she was correct in making the comment about being angry for the victims if Tom is guilty.

I don't know why everyone was so hard on Sutton regarding protecting her own reputation. I think she's right. If she doesn't at least question Erika's innocence, it does look poorly on her and could affect how people within her social circle and philanthropic organizations respect her.

[chlban]

1 hour ago, Nicmar said:

I wonder if Teddi had to take pictures of her plate of food she had a Christmas Dinner. That plate looked more than the 500 calories per day your allowed on her so called diet! lol

Teddi was there?😀Compelling as always.

[Cheyanne11]

17 minutes ago, StevieRocks said:

Standing ovation to Sutton's response to ErICKa~

"You talked to an attorney about MEEEEE?"

"Of course I did."

Your <self-righteous>????? bullying doesn't work on everyone, you reprehensible, egregious cow. 

Honestly, why anyone needs to defend themselves to Erika for having the sense to look out for themselves is pretty rich, given "looking out for Number 1" should be tattooed on her ass.  

[StevieRocks]

Bwah! Dying laughing about next week when Garcelle says, "F you, F you, and F you." Please say, "Who's next?" ala the barbershop scene in Coming to America. 

Edited August 21, 2021 by StevieRocks