S13.E11: The Witching Hour

[PrincessPurrsALot]

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Sonja and Bershan’s argument in Salem continues through the night, and news of their altercation spreads. Bershan attempts to smooth things over with the women, while Leah, Luann and Ramona attempt to talk to Sonja about her drinking. A psychic reading leads to major breakthroughs for the group.

As always, the ladies will be calm, rational and sober.  They will discuss things respectfully, listening carefully and really considering each other's perspective.  Oops, sorry.  I was mentally transported to an alternate universe.  We know what's coming - screaming, yelling, shrieking at pitch only dogs can hear, wild accusations, ridiculous defenses, pearl clutching, and, well basically:

It's time to continue the OTT fight between liquor-fueled Sonja and Bershan. 

Original air date 2021.07.20

[WaltersHair]

I tried. I did. I tuned in and then out and then in and then out. Tuned in to Sonja screaming at Ramona for no discernible reason.

Out for good. Rolling dumpster fire can and will roll on without me. Peace Ladies.

[BusyOctober]

Why do Leah and Eboni have glam squads every time they are on camera??  Especially during COVID…any place they venture out to has been shut down for just these women.  Who are they glamming up for?  Or sit just a status/narcissistic ego thing, like Erica on RHOBH?

Sonja needs rehab and deep therapy to get her shit together while she’s relatively young enough to benefit from it. She IS a clown.  Drunk and disorderly is not acceptable from anyone. Her poor daughter must be embarrassed from years of escalating delusions and sloppy drunkenness.  Sonja doesn’t think she has a problem with alcohol??? She has all the classic excuses of an alcoholic’s reasons for why she “gets a little loopy”.  It’s never HER a fault for drinking.  It’s the water pills, or the altitude, or the food combination she had with dinner, or lack of food, or she was sad and needed a pick me up, or she was happy and celebrating, or she’s used to champagne, so the liquor got her drunk, or she did a shot and that was her tipping point, or she didn’t sleep well….On and ON!  Always someone or something to blame for pouring 3-4-8 drinks down her throat. Now she’s blaming that lovely Italian restaurant in Salem for serving “cheap red wine”??? Are you fucking kidding me?  Dorinda got bounced from the show for being belligerent and mean.  Sonja has now gotten physical with a cast mate and damaged private property.  If Bravo and TPTB for this show don’t intervene and force the rehab issue, they are complicit in Sonja’s self destructive behavior.  And I think Luann and Ramona need to take a serious stand if they truly care about their friend.  It isn’t cute or funny to witness someone so broken. Sonja looks old and tired and defeated. 
 

[biakbiak]

4 minutes ago, BusyOctober said:

Who are they glamming up for?

The tons of people watching. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Awwwwwww.  I came here to enjoy all of the posts and there's like four.

[TexasGal]

Lu with the psychics:  Nerp.

Sonja and Ramona with the psychics:  YES!  And let me give you more details to fill in the blanks.  

[Feech]

29 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

The tons of people watching. 

 

24 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Awwwwwww.  I came here to enjoy all of the posts and there's like four.

That’s how many people were watching.

Thanks Eboni and Leah.

[Ms Blue Jay]

35 minutes ago, BusyOctober said:

Dorinda got bounced from the show for being belligerent and mean.  Sonja has now gotten physical with a cast mate and damaged private property.

Even the way Sonja talks to Ramona is HORRIBLE.  Screaming "Shut the fuck up Ramona" because Ramona asked a waiter for Kleenex because Bershan was crying?

And NOBODY tells Sonja not to speak that way.  They all just stare at her in fear.  Everyone screams that Bershan cannot address them in certain ways, so why is Sonja allowed to be such a belligerent abusive asshole?  It's disgusting!

[Thumper]

26 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Awwwwwww.  I came here to enjoy all of the posts and there's like four.

I’m watching basketball (Fear the Deer!) and recorded this show, but I may just read comments here instead of watching it later.

[Pattycake2]

This episode broke me up. First off with all the ladies going on and on about Bershan’s inappropriate behavior when Leah acted like a crazed banshee last season and they pretty much ignored it. I guess it’s because Leah has an apple and Bershan doesn’t.  And then later saying she wished that people would do an intervention for her if she acted like Sonya. I nearly laughed out loud.  And we got to see lots of hair extensions being applied. How many does Leah wear? It was also apparent that Ramona knew about the fight before Leah told her. I also suspect that Sonya knew that the ladies were going to talk to her about her drinking when she was so reluctant to go over and talk to them. I really enjoyed this episode for its absurdity, obvious scripting, the hair extensions, and best of all, the look on the bystander’s face in the lobby when he saw Leah’s outfit.  Priceless.

[Persnickety1]

I broke my own vow and watched this episode tonight.  

When the women were staging the attempted intervention for Sonja, I remembered a conversation way back in season 5 or 6 between Ramona and Aviva (when Ramona was also apparently drunk in most of the episodes).  The two had met for tea, and during that conversation, Aviva told Ramona that when she hung out and drank with Sonja, Ramona looked good by comparison.  Ramona has obviously straightened out her drinking the past couple of seasons but Sonja carries on acting the drunken fool, like some tired Court Jester.  Bershan was right about Sonja acting like a drunken clown, and that's putting it mildly.  

Aviva might have been a ridiculous pain in the ass, but she was calling out Sonja's drinking problem years ago.  

I think it's okay to post the clip in this thread as it does relate to the attempted intervention in tonight's episode and Sonja's long history of drinking to the extreme.

After her damaging property in the hotel and being physically aggressive with Bershan, Sonja really could use a timeout to get some real therapy from a licensed professional, not a "psychic."  

 

[swankie]

Did I hear Leah say, "Don't call her a drunk, she's intoxicated!"?  Lol!

[ancslove]

Unfortunately for Sonja, she's lasted so long on this show that she's become the Worst Drunk.  And I know that there have been frequent concerns from the other women (and the audience) about her drinking over the years, but there was always someone else for Sonja to deflect to:  Luann and her arrest and just overall High Horse attitude, Dorinda, Leah, even Bethenny (whose worst outbursts seemed to be when she was fairly sober, but they overshadowed everyone else).  Ramona's cleaned herself up, Luann and Leah have both gone sober, Dorinda and her Mean Drunk cruelty is gone, and the core cast is so much smaller now.  Sonja has no one left to hide behind.

But I'm morbidly curious to see if an intervention will stick.  We all know about Luann's intervention, and I'm pretty sure Leah's family and friends have also put her through an intervention or two, including after last season aired.  Ideally though, it should probably be Ramona leading.  Or, bring back Bethenny for a one-off.

[RedDelicious]

[Persnickety1]

"Fashion Forward" Leah unknowingly wearing her dress backwards 😂😂😂

 

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Ramona thinks Bershan is pushing Sonja’s envelope.

[Mar]

2 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

Why do Leah and Eboni have glam squads every time they are on camera??  Especially during COVID…any place they venture out to has been shut down for just these women.  Who are they glamming up for?  Or sit just a status/narcissistic ego thing, like Erica on RHOBH?

Sonja needs rehab and deep therapy to get her shit together while she’s relatively young enough to benefit from it. She IS a clown.  Drunk and disorderly is not acceptable from anyone. Her poor daughter must be embarrassed from years of escalating delusions and sloppy drunkenness.  Sonja doesn’t think she has a problem with alcohol??? She has all the classic excuses of an alcoholic’s reasons for why she “gets a little loopy”.  It’s never HER a fault for drinking.  It’s the water pills, or the altitude, or the food combination she had with dinner, or lack of food, or she was sad and needed a pick me up, or she was happy and celebrating, or she’s used to champagne, so the liquor got her drunk, or she did a shot and that was her tipping point, or she didn’t sleep well….On and ON!  Always someone or something to blame for pouring 3-4-8 drinks down her throat. Now she’s blaming that lovely Italian restaurant in Salem for serving “cheap red wine”??? Are you fucking kidding me?  Dorinda got bounced from the show for being belligerent and mean.  Sonja has now gotten physical with a cast mate and damaged private property.  If Bravo and TPTB for this show don’t intervene and force the rehab issue, they are complicit in Sonja’s self destructive behavior.  And I think Luann and Ramona need to take a serious stand if they truly care about their friend.  It isn’t cute or funny to witness someone so broken. Sonja looks old and tired and defeated. 
 

Excellent post and I haven’t even watched the show yet!

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, Pattycake2 said:

...and best of all, the look on the bystander’s face in the lobby when he saw Leah’s outfit.

This was so good I rewound to watch again!

1 hour ago, Persnickety1 said:

"Fashion Forward" Leah unknowingly wearing her dress backwards 😂😂😂

I know!  And I haven't finished the episode yet but so far no one bothered to tell her, not Eboni, not even the glam squad people.   Hilarious!

ETA:  Eboni finally told her!!! 

And by the way, what's going on with Luann's hair in her interviews?   Weird. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Cosmocrush

[Cosmocrush]

Sonja clearly has a drinking problem at the very least, but honestly I don't think Leah and Luann have any credibility when it comes to talking about bad behavior while drinking.  They've been sober about five minutes.  And really, who has this kind of conversation IN A BAR?

[Avaleigh]

2 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

Sonja needs rehab and deep therapy to get her shit together while she’s relatively young enough to benefit from it. She IS a clown.  Drunk and disorderly is not acceptable from anyone. Her poor daughter must be embarrassed from years of escalating delusions and sloppy drunkenness.  Sonja doesn’t think she has a problem with alcohol??? She has all the classic excuses of an alcoholic’s reasons for why she “gets a little loopy”.  It’s never HER a fault for drinking.  It’s the water pills, or the altitude, or the food combination she had with dinner, or lack of food, or she was sad and needed a pick me up, or she was happy and celebrating, or she’s used to champagne, so the liquor got her drunk, or she did a shot and that was her tipping point, or she didn’t sleep well….On and ON!  Always someone or something to blame for pouring 3-4-8 drinks down her throat. Now she’s blaming that lovely Italian restaurant in Salem for serving “cheap red wine”??? Are you fucking kidding me?  Dorinda got bounced from the show for being belligerent and mean.  Sonja has now gotten physical with a cast mate and damaged private property.  If Bravo and TPTB for this show don’t intervene and force the rehab issue, they are complicit in Sonja’s self destructive behavior.  And I think Luann and Ramona need to take a serious stand if they truly care about their friend.  It isn’t cute or funny to witness someone so broken. Sonja looks old and tired and defeated. 

Yes to all of this. We've all known for years that Sonja has a drinking problem but it wasn't until this season that she was, as you say, the worst drunk of the group. For many seasons there were other cast members that came across even worse than Sonja when it came to drinking. Sonja would regularly act like an ass clown but people like Dorinda were so mean and OTT that it could make Sonja’s drinking not seem quite as awful. 

That half assed intervention was a joke. Even Luann seemed to sense that they should probably put it off for another day. She also knows (and I would have to think that Leah knows too) that you don't have an intervention when a person is already in the middle of drinking. The person needs to be sober and the intervention shouldn't take place in a freaking bar of all places. 

As for Sonja and her bullshit excuses--who does she think she's kidding? If she only drank when she was on vacation with the other ladies, then she wouldn't be able to put so much away. She drinks like a person who is used to regularly consuming a lot of alcohol. One or two drinks isn't enough for her. She drinks to get DRUNK and it's been that way for years. This idea that she doesn't drink unless she's partying with the other women is such nonsense I don't know how she thinks anyone would fall for that. 

[biakbiak]

Admittedly most of my experience with mediums and psychics are through reality shows and movies, but it did amuse me when the medium nipped Sonja’s “I am seeing a healer…” with “no I mean an actual therapist!!” Like she thought “no, sweetie you need real help, not my nonsense!”

[SemiCharmedLife]

3 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

Why do Leah and Eboni have glam squads every time they are on camera??  Especially during COVID…any place they venture out to has been shut down for just these women.  Who are they glamming up for?  Or sit just a status/narcissistic ego thing, like Erica on RHOBH?
 

I am so tired of these ladies bringing their glam squads to every event.  I think they do it because they are reality tv stars and want to look their best on camera, but we would like to see a little more reality and a little less professional hair and makeup.  (And Leah needs to add extensions in the middle of a Salem excursion?  Can't she be more practical and wear a hairstyle that would last 3 days?)

I thought that Leah's dress being on backwards was the least offensive thing about that outfit.  Did you see the "jacket" she wore with it???

[nokat]

6 minutes ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

I am so tired of these ladies bringing their glam squads to every event.  I think they do it because they are reality tv stars and want to look their best on camera, but we would like to see a little more reality and a little less professional hair and makeup.  (And Leah needs to add extensions in the middle of a Salem excursion?  Can't she be more practical and wear a hairstyle that would last 3 days?)

I thought that Leah's dress being on backwards was the least offensive thing about that outfit.  Did you see the "jacket" she wore with it???

I know, and the times we see them without the makeup applied with a trowel, they look good. Leah's dress was on backwards? I was looking and thinking "was that intentional?"

Edited July 21, 2021 by nokat

[MadLove]

1 hour ago, Persnickety1 said:

"Fashion Forward" Leah unknowingly wearing her dress backwards 😂😂😂

 

 

It looked just as ridiculous when she put it on the right way. Her clothes are truly 🤢

[ichbin]

57 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

And by the way, what's going on with Luann's hair in her interviews?   Weird.

With that hair she looks like she's getting ready to do Lord of the Rings cosplay as one of the elves.

3 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

Why do Leah and Eboni have glam squads every time they are on camera??

Considering what was going on last year in the fall regarding Covid issues and that it was prior to vaccinations, how nice of them to insist upon professional hair and make-up despite the fact the people doing it had to suit up like it was a hazmat situation.  It just makes them appear narcissistic and entitled.

3 hours ago, TexasGal said:

Lu with the psychics:  Nerp.

Sonja and Ramona with the psychics:  YES!  And let me give you more details to fill in the blanks.  

This was honestly the funniest part of the episode for me.

2 hours ago, Pattycake2 said:

And we got to see lots of hair extensions being applied. How many does Leah wear?

I think it is more a question of how many does she need?  It's not like her hair looks really full with so many of them in. 

Speaking of hair extensions, how about that tail on Sonja?  Not only did it not match her hair, she made a mess out of attaching it.

2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Even the way Sonja talks to Ramona is HORRIBLE.  Screaming "Shut the fuck up Ramona" because Ramona asked a waiter for Kleenex because Bershan was crying?

Sonja is often horrible to Ramona, but this year it has gotten worse.  I think there is a combination of factors.  She appears to be envious and even angry of Ramona being financially stable and able to enjoy a particular lifestyle, including socializing with the people with whom Sonja probably no longer can afford to rub shoulders.  She also seems to be the one most in need of the Bravo paycheck and considering this season was only a few months after last season ended when Leah was receiving good press, Sonja probably thought she was hitching her wagon to more of a sure bet for longevity purposes.  Too bad she didn't know that situation would be changing when this season aired. 

4 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

Dorinda got bounced from the show for being belligerent and mean.

 Right?  Sonja's always been a sloppy drunk but now she's added in that bit of viciousness that was lacking but not needed.  

 

 

[Feech]

At least there was very little Eboni in this episode.

Now if they can just show less Leah we might be getting somewhere.

[sheetmoss]

5 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

Why do Leah and Eboni have glam squads every time they are on camera??  Especially during COVID…any place they venture out to has been shut down for just these women.  Who are they glamming up for?  Or sit just a status/narcissistic ego thing, like Erica on RHOBH?
 

I will give Leah & Eboni some props  giving  the glam people a paycheck during Covid.

 

[FlyingEgret]

7 hours ago, TexasGal said:

Lu with the psychics:  Nerp.

Sonja and Ramona with the psychics:  YES!  And let me give you more details to fill in the blanks.  

I am thinking Bershan got the "Mountain Goat" reading because this was her first year and the producers didn't know her full back-story...

[Vanderboom]

5 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Sonja clearly has a drinking problem at the very least, but honestly I don't think Leah and Luann have any credibility when it comes to talking about bad behavior while drinking.  They've been sober about five minutes.  And really, who has this kind of conversation IN A BAR?

My thoughts exactly! You're going to have an intervention when Sonja has a drink in hand?! Way to go, geniuses!

That said, this has been my favorite episode this season. Eboni works better as an early-season Bethenny type that snarks on the action. I'm glad they didn't drag out the Sonja/Bershan conflict unnecessarily, and I'm curious how the story will evolve by the time the reunion rolls around. Maybe by then Leah will have single-handedly wrestled both of them to the ground, got production to call the police, and ended up getting a Key to the City for her heroics.

I was going to criticize Luann for being so uptight but then I realized she might have been really stressed out by the constant presence of alcohol. I can see her looking at Sonja and being aghast while wondering if she looked like that during her drinking days. As much of a pain as Leah is, I'm glad they're supporting each other through this season. I just hope we'll move on from The Leah Show and feature more of the OGs.

[Chatty Cake]

Too much Leah in this episode but she was slightly less obnoxious than usual although that may have been because Sonja was extra obnoxious. In fact she’s getting more obnoxious each episode. Does Bershan actually have clients as a life coach? She started last week calling the group boring and then engaged with Sonja only to get into it with her during this episode. If you can’t diffuse a drunk you have to walk away.  
An intervention shouldn’t occur when a person has started drinking during a night out. For Sonja it should also be off camera and with Sonjas daughter if possible. Lu and Ramona have enough history with Sonja to be part of it but I don’t think Leah does. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Chatty Cake

[janiema]

6 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Sonja clearly has a drinking problem at the very least, but honestly I don't think Leah and Luann have any credibility when it comes to talking about bad behavior while drinking.  They've been sober about five minutes.  And really, who has this kind of conversation IN A BAR?

I believe the timing and location of the “intervention” were producer driven. It would be better to have had this talk in a quieter location without cameras. However, Luann is a perfect person to be part of the team involved. Isn’t the premise of AA that the program is drunks helping drunks? Someone who shares her own experience is far more credible to the recipient than someone who may never have had an issue with alcohol. Sonja seems to need help but she may still be in denial.

[Baltimore Betty]

5 hours ago, nokat said:

I know, and the times we see them without the makeup applied with a trowel, they look good. Leah's dress was on backwards? I was looking and thinking "was that intentional?"

The dress was one thing but that strange jacket with the tail in front between her legs...are we not going to mention that?

The psychic was the worst we have seen and we have seen a lot of them, I am sure that the medium/psychic knew enough to Google the HW's, how stupid do they think we are?  Ramona and her weird, spazzy hugging with Sonja at the readings, that is her go to move when she fakes being emotional.

The fight between Bershan and Sonja was exactly what Leah wanted, it gave her a little bit of a story, why was Sonja in her room initially? Bershan needed a melatonin from Leah, do we take a sleep aid when we have been drinking all night?  Production told Leah to open her door, how convenient that she happened to be standing at the door at that moment and those two made up all too quickly, it just seems fake or am I too jaded by the production driven stories we have seen?

Didn't Leah say they were going shopping then to dinner? Did anyone else notice that Leah's hamburger was uneaten when she said they had to go because of the psychic reading was their next activity?  I wanted to see them shop, we didn't even get shopping porn with these bitches, that is sad.

There is no way Bershan is a life coach, the morning affirmations she was giving herself did not convince me.

[MsMalin]

I loved how Leah knew how to do  the intervention. Everything she said was said to her last year and she never listened so why does she think Sonja will?  Also, you don't go having a half Assed  intervention in a bar.

Edited July 21, 2021 by MsMalin

[Hangin Out]

9 hours ago, WaltersHair said:

I tried. I did. I tuned in and then out and then in and then out. Tuned in to Sonja screaming at Ramona for no discernible reason.

Out for good. Rolling dumpster fire can and will roll on without me. Peace Ladies.

Same here .. see you next week.  Lol.

[Hangin Out]

9 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

Why do Leah and Eboni have glam squads every time they are on camera??  Especially during COVID…any place they venture out to has been shut down for just these women.  Who are they glamming up for?  Or sit just a status/narcissistic ego thing, like Erica on RHOBH?

Sonja needs rehab and deep therapy to get her shit together while she’s relatively young enough to benefit from it. She IS a clown.  Drunk and disorderly is not acceptable from anyone. Her poor daughter must be embarrassed from years of escalating delusions and sloppy drunkenness.  Sonja doesn’t think she has a problem with alcohol??? She has all the classic excuses of an alcoholic’s reasons for why she “gets a little loopy”.  It’s never HER a fault for drinking.  It’s the water pills, or the altitude, or the food combination she had with dinner, or lack of food, or she was sad and needed a pick me up, or she was happy and celebrating, or she’s used to champagne, so the liquor got her drunk, or she did a shot and that was her tipping point, or she didn’t sleep well….On and ON!  Always someone or something to blame for pouring 3-4-8 drinks down her throat. Now she’s blaming that lovely Italian restaurant in Salem for serving “cheap red wine”??? Are you fucking kidding me?  Dorinda got bounced from the show for being belligerent and mean.  Sonja has now gotten physical with a cast mate and damaged private property.  If Bravo and TPTB for this show don’t intervene and force the rehab issue, they are complicit in Sonja’s self destructive behavior.  And I think Luann and Ramona need to take a serious stand if they truly care about their friend.  It isn’t cute or funny to witness someone so broken. Sonja looks old and tired and defeated. 
 

The water pill excuse cracked me up.  When she got up in the morning she looked BAD.  Speaking of, LuAnn is looking haggard these days.  Her cheeks are sinking in.  Bet she is drinking on the sly again when not filming.   What I hate most of all is how Leah took over the show, and not for the better.  She’s got everyone against each other.  Sneaky bitch.  Who is she to schewer Sonja?  She was the worst last season tearing up Ramona’s property running around Ramona’s pool acting like a lunatic.  Talking about her Grandma is getting old too.  I can see why she doesn’t get along with her parents.  They must have had their hands full.  Rob too.  They are watching over Kiki.  They don’t want another Leah.

[Hangin Out]

9 hours ago, Pattycake2 said:

This episode broke me up. First off with all the ladies going on and on about Bershan’s inappropriate behavior when Leah acted like a crazed banshee last season and they pretty much ignored it. I guess it’s because Leah has an apple and Bershan doesn’t.  And then later saying she wished that people would do an intervention for her if she acted like Sonya. I nearly laughed out loud.  And we got to see lots of hair extensions being applied. How many does Leah wear? It was also apparent that Ramona knew about the fight before Leah told her. I also suspect that Sonya knew that the ladies were going to talk to her about her drinking when she was so reluctant to go over and talk to them. I really enjoyed this episode for its absurdity, obvious scripting, the hair extensions, and best of all, the look on the bystander’s face in the lobby when he saw Leah’s outfit.  Priceless.

Nice reflection of New Yorkers, and I am one.  Thanks Andy.  Maybe a gang will go and wreck your town and see how you like it.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Hangin Out

[FancyNancy]

I don’t see what the problem is with a glam squad. 
They are going to be on national television and going out, so I look at it as being no different than when you’re going out and you get dressed up. 
I wish like hell I had a glam squad every time I was going out (drinks, clubbing, parties) instead of being forced to do my own hair and makeup lol. 
I definitely feel Eboni on the hair. Most of us can’t just wash our hair and let it air dry or just blow it out and go. It’s a whole process that is tedious and extremely maddening. 
 

There are people who won’t step out of the house without a full face. What’s the difference? They’re just fortunate enough to have it done instead of actually doing it. 
 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Bershan poured her heart out and apologized to the group, and the group not being very classy, tried to pile on more shit (Luann and Sonja) and Bershan just had to sit there and take it.

Why didn't Sonja have to apologize for anything?  She did actual property damage.  I know we don't care about Leah but she put Leah in actual danger.  The whole thing made me feel kind of ill.  Sonja is like an anger terrorist and they all enable her.

1 hour ago, janiema said:

I believe the timing and location of the “intervention” were producer driven. It would be better to have had this talk in a quieter location without cameras. However, Luann is a perfect person to be part of the team involved. Isn’t the premise of AA that the program is drunks helping drunks? Someone who shares her own experience is far more credible to the recipient than someone who may never have had an issue with alcohol. Sonja seems to need help but she may still be in denial.

The idea is great, but Luann goes about it the wrong way.  She kept bringing up how her own arrest was somehow less bad than Sonja's behaviour that night.  Why?  Why try to make herself look better in that situation?  It was just the wrong way to do it.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Ms Blue Jay]

7 minutes ago, FancyNancy said:

I don’t see what the problem is with a glam squad. 

I'll be honest, I don't even notice it.  As long as they're getting paid well and they don't mind doing this and this is in the normal course of their job I don't see the problem.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

7 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Admittedly most of my experience with mediums and psychics are through reality shows and movies, but it did amuse me when the medium nipped Sonja’s “I am seeing a healer…” with “no I mean an actual therapist!!” Like she thought “no, sweetie you need real help, not my nonsense!”

I know, I thought that was amazing. I also had a moment of really liking Leah when she was like "both me and my grandmother are skeptical of this whole thing."

I have long thought that Sonja has a drinking problem and I am glad they are confronting her on it but yeah, in a bar before a seance is not the right time. And man, the way she just goes after Ramona is frustrating. I get that Ramona is an easy target because all of them think Ramona's ridiculous and because they've all been on the receiving end of Ramona's judgment at one time or another. But Sonja clearly lashes out at Ramona when she feels vulnerable, no matter who is making her feel that way. It's frustrating to watch. 

[Hangin Out]

6 hours ago, Feech said:

At least there was very little Eboni in this episode.

Now if they can just show less Leah we might be getting somewhere.

Yep.  In the end of the episode,  what was with Ebony and Bershan sitting together holding hands and having a private conversation while the rest were going wild?

 

[FancyNancy]

5 hours ago, sheetmoss said:

I will give Leah & Eboni some props  giving  the glam people a paycheck during Covid.

 

Right! Because I saw a lot of them on social media begging for work. As long as everyone protected themselves and were tested… 

Edited July 21, 2021 by FancyNancy

[AnnMarie17]

10 hours ago, biakbiak said:

The tons tens of people watching. 

Fixed that for you.  😉

[FancyNancy]

21 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Bershan poured her heart out and apologized to the group, and the group not being very classy, tried to pile on more shit (Luann and Sonja) and Bershan just had to sit there and take it.

Why didn't Sonja have to apologize for anything?  She did actual property damage.  I know we don't care about Leah but she put Leah in actual danger.  The whole thing made me feel kind of ill.  Sonja is like an anger terrorist and they all enable her.

The idea is great, but Luann goes about it the wrong way.  She kept bringing up how her own arrest was somehow less bad than Sonja's behaviour that night.  Why?  Why try to make herself look better in that situation?  It was just the wrong way to do it.

LuAnn is a classic narcissist. She’s all about herself. 
 

[65mickey]

I wonder if Luann, Ramona, and Leah know that Sonja is dependent on the Bravo paycheck to live and this is why they are going soft on her? They know her financial situation and they worry about her being fired like Dorinda was. I agree that you don't hold an intervention on camera. Her daughter should  be involved and this needs to be private with a professional involved. Sonja is deep into denial and I don't think we have seen the last of her drunken antics this season. And the sad part is that Bravo doesn't care about Sonja. If the producers cared about her they would give her an ultimatum either get sober and clean up her act or pack her bags so to speak. But they encourage this because they think it makes for good TV. 

[CainF]

A seance on TV hasn't been this campy since the original Dark Shadows.

The only interventionist to fare well in the mock intervention of Sonya was Leah,, because according to Sonya,  Leah was the only one of the three who wasn't being judgemental, a perception that must  absolutely be spot-on, because Leah started the whole thing off with, 'we just want to talk to you about your drinking, not judging you/no judgment.'  Sonya, the intervention was Leah's idea.  Luann and Ramona were only there because they feared remaining behind with Eboni would subject them to exposing their White privilege.  Or perhaps Luann's inappropriate use of the word 'kiki,' for that matter.

It took that awful seance to revive the even more awful subplot of Leah's conversion to Judaism.  Thank you, Salem, MA!

The 'this season on RHONY' at the end of episode 11, instead of the usual 'next week on' portend a boring episode next week?  It was rather an odd thing.  All that was missing was a promise that we ain't seen nothing yet, which, by the way, is pretty much the only thing we've seen now in 11 episodes.

 

[Pi237]

Sonja hides behind this ‘kooky’ act, but she’s really nasty. It comes out every now and then, like that snap at Ramona.  Her self-pitying crap is long played out, too. And that accent she put on when mocking Berhsan?...wow. Am I the only one who thought that sounded really racist?  

The psychic stuff was ridiculous, as always. Hire some new script writers already!!  So bored.

[JenE4]

The gal pals really done goofed on that “intervention” in a bar, while hiding Sonja’s drink. But the medium swoops in performs an intervention by drunk, absentee dad from beyond the grave, shining a light on 60+ (however old Sonja is) years of trauma by pointing out her alcoholic/abandonment issues and everything that ever went wrong in her life is from that trauma! And the best part was Sonja saying she sees a healer, and she’s all: “Oh, honey! You need some real help! Make sure they have a PhD from an accredited university—magna cum laude—not some huckster like me!” The “rose” is that female medium! The “thorn” is the male medium, who was like basically: “You’re like a mountain goat, but like not on the mountain yet, so you’re more like a regular goat—but you could be a mountain goat if you just climb the mountain, but like, you’re doing okay on the farm, too, and you might teeter off the edge of the mountain, and all goats are beautiful in their own ways—when they’re not eating garbage. Have you ever seen goat yoga? That looks fun. So, um, you’re high strung and need to relax a bit more and should try some baby goat yoga!” 

Edited July 21, 2021 by JenE4
Because I forgot how to spell Sonja with a jaunty J.

[SweetieDarling]

38 minutes ago, OldButHappy said:

Sober drunks, who work the program, helping people who have a desire to stop drinking.

Not (wink, wink ) sober people, like Lu who "work" the idea of the program to get a plotline, lecturing someone who has zero desire to stop drinking.

Big difference.

100%. She was wasted on WWHL after this season's premiere. Who knows on what, but she was far from sober!

During the "intervention," Sonja called Lu out, and Lu admitted it:

S: Just because you're not drinking NOW, doesn't mean you weren't drinking before (unintelligible) downstairs,...

L: Of course I was, but we're not talking about ME right now.

[Cozytea]

8 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Admittedly most of my experience with mediums and psychics are through reality shows and movies, but it did amuse me when the medium nipped Sonja’s “I am seeing a healer…” with “no I mean an actual therapist!!” Like she thought “no, sweetie you need real help, not my nonsense!”

When the medium said make sure they have a PHD. I died laughing. 😆

Edited July 21, 2021 by Cozytea