S15.E10: Polygamy Hell

[laurakaye]

1 hour ago, Xena said:

I hope decades from now, after all the wives have left Prince Jackwagon, that it is Ysabel that drew the short straw to stay behind to take care of her aging father.  I hope he falls, and breaks a hip.  And when he begs and pleads for her to take him to the hospital, she takes off her glasses to look him straight in the eye and says 'it will have to wait six months'.

*STANDING OVATION*

 

I only made it through 45 minutes so far but reading these posts, I am enraged at how Kody is treating this family that he himself put together.  You don't get to create a big family and then decide that 75% of them piss you off on a daily basis.  I hope they all leave his ass with Robyn, and his grown kids rarely, if ever, visit his selfish ugly horrible stupid face.  Does he not understand that they are WATCHING THIS SHOW and hearing the crap he's saying about their mothers and their siblings?  He is the literal worst.  He and Robyn deserve each other for eternity.

Edited April 19, 2021 by laurakaye

[SongbirdHollow]

I have no idea how Christine kept her cool when Kody suggested Ysabel have major surgery alone. The mandate to keep sweet must run very deep. I’m enraged on her behalf. 

[SuzWhat]

27 minutes ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

Well, Janelle, sometimes we don’t get everything we want. Better to be in a subdivision (doubtful that is the only option) and have money to travel to see Maddie, to put Savanah through college, etc. It’s a trade off. Hell, I doubt she has enough money to get her through next year’s basic finances.

Exactly!   She’s also the one that said she’d be happy in an RV traveling around seeing her kids. She is delusional. 

[Grifter Lives]

3 hours ago, brewgirl said:

It's particularly hypocritical of Meri, since she was ready to bolt when she thought she was deep in a relationship with another man. Where was all of this "never quit, we've put 30 years into this, I'm never leaving" thoughtline when she was close enough to leaving that she probably had a bag packed? I guess she is feeling that misery loves company so if she has to stay, everyone has to stay. 

When she was giving Christine that pep talk, I felt that Meri was more concerned about her own definition of success than Christine's misery.  In the previous episode, Meri said that this family was not how she and Kody envisioned it when they started it, and she may have said something similar in last night's episode.  She didn't want Christine to end or ruin (if possible) Kody's ability to brag, "I have 4 wives!"  Or, she knew that Kody would become even worse to her in retribution; after all, it would never be his fault.  Regardless, it remains sunk-cost fallacy.

Although I do believe that Meri truly did empathize with Christine and hurt to see Christine's pain, I also think that all the wives exploit each others' situations to win Kody's approval.  Someone else has to be down for another one of them to avoid being the basement wife.

Edited April 19, 2021 by Grifter Lives
One More Thing . . .

[TurtlePower]

Just who does Meri think she is telling Christine she can't "quit"? Meri practically had her bags packed and was ready to bolt with Mr. Vegan Batman until she found out she was being catfished (which she was warned about). 

If Christine can't do it anymore and doesn't want to, I'd love to see her go. At least one of them has the courage to take such a scary step without a millionaire vegan pulling her out the door. 

[mytmo]

Wow have these people aged!

[magemaud]

Poor Kody bemoaning the fact that because of this “Covid thing” he might not be able to get his family together for Christmas! Suck it up buttercup, millions of monogamous families weren’t able to see each other this year and many thousands were grieving the loss of a loved one to the virus. 

[Grifter Lives]

37 minutes ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

Well, Janelle, sometimes we don’t get everything we want. Better to be in a subdivision (doubtful that is the only option) and have money to travel to see Maddie, to put Savanah through college, etc. It’s a trade off. Hell, I doubt she has enough money to get her through next year’s basic finances.

Minor point: She had the money to buy an easel, pack of markers and a flipboard for her big communications discussion, and she's going back to the office supply store to laminate whatever they wrote.  Not even Kody had that set-up for his Plyg Palace dissertation.  And, it's not like she borrowed it from an actual job or workplace.  She did save money by transporting her ratty backyard patio furniture to the picnic on plague pond.  Another sister wife brought a small folding chair, although I can't imagine that any of them would sit comfortably in it.

And, they lived in a subdivision in Las Vegas and bought a bunch of plots in a subdivision in Flagstaff.  Her next stop is a parking space in a trailer park or Robyn's driveway for up to 6 days.

It's easier to attack their ordinary foolishness than to address their innate cruelty and irreversible stupidity and indoctrination.  I am still stunned and angered by Kody and Christine's conversation about Ysabel's surgery, and their subsequent actions.  Hearing and seeing her parents devalue and blame her may be the worst experience in Ysabel's life, and I can't imagine the long-term impacts on her, or her future relationships.

[magemaud]

Coming back to ask a question about Janelle’s granddaughter who needs surgery for FATCO because she’s “missing a few bones.” Janelle went on to say Evie was going to be fitted for a prosthetic because one leg is “six or seven inches shorter” than the other one. This discrepancy would be significant enough in an adult, but in an infant wouldn’t that be at least half of her leg?

[SunnyBeBe]

10 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Coming back to ask a question about Janelle’s granddaughter who needs surgery for FATCO because she’s “missing a few bones.” Janelle went on to say Evie was going to be fitted for a prosthetic because one leg is “six or seven inches shorter” than the other one. This discrepancy would be significant enough in an adult, but in an infant wouldn’t that be at least half of her leg?

I wonder if the condition might be more serious.  At the time of the filming the granddaughter would have been a toddler, right?

[Grifter Lives]

2 hours ago, Granny58 said:

I too suspect there must be a financial aspect to it, otherwise why bother?  I read while "watching" this show so I didn't catch details.  Did I hear that they had just gotten the kids health insurance after X amount of months?  So to me, that seems like a state funded plan for minors.   So once again, I don't understand the need for going to NJ.  

I thought that I heard Christine say that she just got insurance coverage for Ysabel 6 months earlier.  There seemed to be a 3-month lead time, somehow too.  

Did the storyline jump to June?  The last episode was in April.  Janelle was in North Carolina in July.  Ysabel's surgery was in September.  Thus, Kody's suggestion that she hold off for 6 months is even more heartless and nonsensical, since he may have been negotiating three months ahead already.

Also: Janelle got Kody's permission to travel to be a support player for a grandchild post-surgery, but he was pulling out all stops to prevent his own daughter and Christine from traveling for a serious medical need.

Edited April 19, 2021 by Grifter Lives

[laurakaye]

Robyn: I had pneumonia once when I was 6 years old (whatever, just guessing) and Sol had RSV as a baby.  Therefore, Kody, you will need to quarantine with one wife and one wife only for the next several months because if I so much as sneeze or get a sniffle, you will need to lock yourself either in or out of our house.  Your choice, sweetie, but there's only one right answer.

Kody....................I'll stay with you, Mrs. Brown.

Robyn: Correct.  Now go fetch my slippers and robe, I need a nap.

 

They seriously deserve each other.

1 hour ago, SongbirdHollow said:

I have no idea how Christine kept her cool when Kody suggested Ysabel have major surgery alone. The mandate to keep sweet must run very deep. I’m enraged on her behalf. 

I didn't see this part yet, was Ysabel in the room with them?  My guess would be that she didn't want to completely lose her mind on her daughter's sperm donor when her daughter was already dealing with a major surgery in the middle of a pandemic.  I think Christine is deeply rooted in the "keep sweet" thing, but I also think she wants to protect her kids as much as possible.  But man, when she does go off on him, I hope it's recorded for the show because I will stand up and jump and cheer.

[xwordfanatik]

FUCK YOU, KOOTIE.  I HOPE YOUR DICK ROTS AND FALLS THE HELL OFF.

I have never hated him more.  What a shitty excuse for a father.

[Tabbygirl521]

10 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I so wanted Christine to speak up when Robyn had the nerve to say she was worried about the effect on Sol and her youngest child ( I have never learned her real name) that a move would have.  She just sat there and cried.  I guess she is so beaten down by Kody and his lack of caring and respect that she could not say what she wanted to say for fear that they would all come after her. 

The most awful thing about all of this is, their “religion” has the women believing that any dissatisfaction or jealousy or any other negative or painful emotion is THEIR fault. If they’re doing polygamy right, it’s all supposed to be sunshine and roses. It seems this belief is true no matter how big an asswipe the “husband” is. Kody is HORRIBLE. He’s a spoiled, pouting brat when he’s challenged in any way. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Tabbygirl521

[Adiba]

1 hour ago, SongbirdHollow said:

I have no idea how Christine kept her cool when Kody suggested Ysabel have major surgery alone. The mandate to keep sweet must run very deep. I’m enraged on her behalf. 

So am I. If that were me, hell be damned, Kody would’ve felt the full wrath of a mother protecting her child. I am a very non-confrontational person, generally. However, certain issues light my (long) fuse—and when I explode, I go full- out.

[MollyBrown]

My son had the same scoliosis surgery.   We were counseled that it is a major surgery and to be prepared.   He needed multiple blood transfusions and was in the ICU due to a complication.  Only a monster in his position would say to go it alone.  Also, if it’s past 50 degrees curvature, it runs the risk of damaging other organs as it shifts.  We were also warned about that.  

[magemaud]

23 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

I didn't see this part yet, was Ysabel in the room with them?

They were outdoors, but she was there and heard the whole discussion including the part about her going for the surgery alone and some nonsense about what was “best for the entire family” and how he couldn’t go. Christine reassured her that she would be going with her but Ysabel broke down in tears and went in the house. It was only after Ysabel left that Kody agreed that the surgery could be scheduled and Christine could accompany her without him. Then in his TH he admitted the “going alone” comment was out of line. 

Kody is in a Polygamy Hell of his own making. I despise him. 

[KnoxForPres]

Kody saying the family was an obstacle to his end goals was one of the cruelest  things I could imagine saying to his wives....then Ysabels scene happened and I see there is no limit to his cruelty. 

When the sweet, physically hurting girl said “I’m not needed anymore” it felt larger than not needed on the porch. Much like her mom she’s treated like a write off....:by her father.

For all the never ending babble about communication Christine communities well- she did all episode. When she told us “I don’t need the mountains”....damn straight you don’t. 

It was set up beautifully for Meri to take Christine aside and say she feels the same and let’s develop a plan to exit this. Why encourage to fight?  Kody has no concern for either of them and he’s not even masking that. 

I don’t have children but to consider one of my nieces was in immense pain, or to my own- my dog- it would be immediate response of how do we fix this and how fast can we get it done. And how can I be there for you.  And this is his child. 

As said above the allowance of filming themselves has ripped the fourth wall down and not only exposed what we knew all along... but it’s even worse than we realized. 

[gabyzee]

I've been hate-watching this show for many seasons, so I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I sort of agree with Kody and his frustration with some of his family and their cavalier attitudes toward pandemic protocols. He seems legit terrified of getting COVID or someone in his family getting it. I feel awful for his daughter Ysabel and her pain, but why the heck did they have to fly to NJ to have the surgery? That makes no sense at all, do they not have doctors in Arizona?!? As far as Christine goes, she's one of those "I want to see my fambly, rules be damned, they shouldn't apply to me because I should be able to do whatever I want" kind of pandemic people, and I am over that selfish nonsense. I don't blame Kody one bit for being annoyed with her. (Okay, shoot me now, I'm siding with Kody!)

 

[Persnickety1]

Any The Walking Dead fans in here?

Meri to Christine:  "Look at the mountain"

Carole to Lizzie:  "Look at the flowers."  

STFU with your bullshit Meri.  She's hurt because she's unhappy.  

I couldn't help but wonder if this double-speak fuckery is what she placates her Lularot recruits with when they get discouraged and want to quit.  

"You're not unhappy selling Lularot.  You're just hurting.  You need to try harder.  You didn't spend all this time trying to sell the product just to quit.  You're not a quitter."  

Ugh.  I just wanted to smack Meri in the back of the head so hard that her chin would be in another zip code.  

[65mickey]

I am trying to watch the first 1/2 now because I slept through it last night. So here goes Janelle telling Meri that they have a communication problem and they need to have a sit down with rules or the next conversation.  Meri in her talking head said the problem is that the conversation is not taking place between the right people one on one. I'm paraphrasing here. But she hit the nail on the head. Christine and Meri make so much sense in their talking heads. But when they get together at least while filimg they clam up and can't seem to get their words out. I suppose that Meri, Janelle and Christine know that if they dare bring up the discrepancies in his treatment of Robyn and her kids and how he treats them and their kids Kody will lose it and become even more defensive and cruel to them. I say no to Janelle's rules. Throw out the rules and say what needs to be said. Kody has said pretty much that he is sick of polygamy. What does he have to do scream in their faces that he hates them and wants them to get the hell of of dodge so that he and Robyn can finally be shut of them?

[Persnickety1]

And on another note, Hunter needs to go burn those shorts.

Dear gawd, that was way too much upper thigh/lower buttock flesh to witness.  

And Janelle made salmon patties for the picnic?  I love salmon patties but never thought of them as a picnic food.

I'm just glad she didn't post up any pictures on her Instagram of her bastardization of salmon patties.  I'd probably not be able to eat them ever again. 

To both Hunter's atrocious shorts *and* Janelle's choice of picnic fare = 🤢

[65mickey]

18 minutes ago, gabyzee said:

I've been hate-watching this show for many seasons, so I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I sort of agree with Kody and his frustration with some of his family and their cavalier attitudes toward pandemic protocols. He seems legit terrified of getting COVID or someone in his family getting it. I feel awful for his daughter Ysabel and her pain, but why the heck did they have to fly to NJ to have the surgery? That makes no sense at all, do they not have doctors in Arizona?!? As far as Christine goes, she's one of those "I want to see my fambly, rules be damned, they shouldn't apply to me because I should be able to do whatever I want" kind of pandemic people, and I am over that selfish nonsense. I don't blame Kody one bit for being annoyed with her. (Okay, shoot me now, I'm siding with Kody!)

 

The CDC and other medical professionals repeatedly emphasized not to put off needed medical procedures out of fear of Covid. For Kody to even hint that Ysabel could live in pain for several more months or to go alone for the surgery is absolute child abuse in my opinion. At the very least it is saying to her I am not going to go with you and have to stay away from Robyn and her children for a few weeks because you are just not that important. And let's be honest here. This is the only reason that he did not want to go with his child and be there for her. As a parent nothing would be more important that the health and comfort of my child about to undergo major surgery.  Covid safety procedures could have been followed. He is a sorry excuse for a father. I don't know how he looks himself in the mirror and not be disgusted and this goes for Robyn also. I have all ideas that if she said to Kody go I'll manage here and Ysabel needs you with her he might have gone. But she has him right where she wants him and he doesn't have the balls to stand up to her.

[KnoxForPres]

24 minutes ago, gabyzee said:

I've been hate-watching this show for many seasons, so I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I sort of agree with Kody and his frustration with some of his family and their cavalier attitudes toward pandemic protocols. He seems legit terrified of getting COVID or someone in his family getting it. I feel awful for his daughter Ysabel and her pain, but why the heck did they have to fly to NJ to have the surgery? That makes no sense at all, do they not have doctors in Arizona?!? As far as Christine goes, she's one of those "I want to see my fambly, rules be damned, they shouldn't apply to me because I should be able to do whatever I want" kind of pandemic people, and I am over that selfish nonsense. I don't blame Kody one bit for being annoyed with her. (Okay, shoot me now, I'm siding with Kody!)

 

For me those questions weren’t asked or answered on the show. What we were shown was for whatever reason the surgery will be in NJ.  To me it’s less the details and more the reaction. He suggested postponing her pain for an arbitrary six months and if not that then she go alone. 

He could have said “why New Jersey!”  I would have liked to hear the answer. But his words were mean. Hell at a minimum say “Christine let’s have this conversation among the two of us and figure out the best plan for Y”. That’s not what he did. It’s not his take on COVID-which I too took and take seriously -it’s disregard for compassion. 

[aimlessbird]

58 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

FUCK YOU, KOOTIE.  I HOPE YOUR DICK ROTS AND FALLS THE HELL OFF.

I have never hated him more.  What a shitty excuse for a father.

I am actually thinking about not watching the show ever again.  Watching Ysabel and her heartbreak made me sick to my stomach.  Kody is a selfish coward and should not be a father to any child.  Those scenes with Ysabel were a deal breaker to me.

 

[SuzWhat]

1 minute ago, aimlessbird said:

I am actually thinking about not watching the show ever again.  Watching Ysabel and her heartbreak made me sick to my stomach.  Kody is a selfish coward and should not be a father to any child.  Those scenes with Ysabel were a deal breaker to me.

 

I feel the same. 

[SuzWhat]

Another example of how stupid Kody is - renting a goddam Uhaul to take that stuff to the dump when he has a pickup. He could make a few trips and save some money. 

[KnoxForPres]

10 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

And on another note, Hunter needs to go burn those shorts.

Dear gawd, that was way too much upper thigh/lower buttock flesh to witness.  

And Janelle made salmon patties for the picnic?  I love salmon patties but never thought of them as a picnic food.

I'm just glad she didn't post up any pictures on her Instagram of her bastardization of salmon patties.  I'd probably not be able to eat them ever again. 

To both Hunter's atrocious shorts *and* Janelle's choice of picnic fare = 🤢

Oh I know- it’s so weird how my eyes only focused on the thighs. I was transfixed and repulsed and couldn’t stop. 

[65mickey]

14 minutes ago, KnoxForPres said:

For me those questions weren’t asked or answered on the show. What we were shown was for whatever reason the surgery will be in NJ.  To me it’s less the details and more the reaction. He suggested postponing her pain for an arbitrary six months and if not that then she go alone. 

He could have said “why New Jersey!”  I would have liked to hear the answer. But his words were mean. Hell at a minimum say “Christine let’s have this conversation among the two of us and figure out the best plan for Y”. That’s not what he did. It’s not his take on COVID-which I too took and take seriously -it’s disregard for compassion. 

That's what a decent parent would have said. But Kody most ikely had his marching orders from Robyn and he wanted to shut this issue down before Christine could give a reasonable argument why he needed to be with his child who was facing a major and scary surgery. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by 65mickey

[Cancun]

12 hours ago, Cancun said:

I’m too angry to make any insightful comments about tonight’s show, so I’m just gonna leave these two visuals from the episode.

Can’t help it...Replying to myself to add one more gem. She held this “blowing out” pose for several moments which was just so odd.

[laurakaye]

Christine - head to Utah to be with that new grandbaby.  Take Truely with you, she will adore the attention from her big sisters.

Meri - go to Parowan and run your B&B and make it to Grand Poo-Bah level of LuLaRot before it comes crashing down.

Janelle - take your stupid communication nonsense and stuff it - you're about 25 years too late.  Go back to being Eeyore on the couch, it suits you better.

Robyn - put your patented dry-cry machine out to pasture, you'll have no need for it anymore once the other wives leave.

Kody - enjoy living with yourself for the next 40 years when none of your "bonus" sons and daughters visit you anymore because you've spelled out to them, clearly and on national television, that you don't care one crap about them or their mothers.  But fear not - you'll have Aurora, Dayton, Sol and Ariablellobla with you for every one of those years, pulling on your arms and fainting and whining and demanding your attention 24/7 (something tells me Brianna will bail, not sure but I hope so)......while Robyn sleeps.  

Edited April 19, 2021 by laurakaye

[magemaud]

52 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

Any The Walking Dead fans in here?

Meri to Christine:  "Look at the mountain"

Carole to Lizzie:  "Look at the flowers."  

I thought of that, too. At least Christine didn’t get shot in the back of the head. 

 

55 minutes ago, gabyzee said:

As far as Christine goes, she's one of those "I want to see my fambly, rules be damned, they shouldn't apply to me because I should be able to do whatever I want" kind of pandemic people, and I am over that selfish nonsense. I don't blame Kody one bit for being annoyed with her. (Okay, shoot me now, I'm siding with Kody!)

I’ve been thinking along the same lines. Kody appears to be the only one demonstrating a healthy respect for pandemic protocols. Christine and Janelle are both determined to do whatever they want. 

[Granny58]

1 hour ago, gabyzee said:

I've been hate-watching this show for many seasons, so I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I sort of agree with Kody and his frustration with some of his family and their cavalier attitudes toward pandemic protocols. He seems legit terrified of getting COVID or someone in his family getting it. I feel awful for his daughter Ysabel and her pain, but why the heck did they have to fly to NJ to have the surgery? That makes no sense at all, do they not have doctors in Arizona?!? As far as Christine goes, she's one of those "I want to see my fambly, rules be damned, they shouldn't apply to me because I should be able to do whatever I want" kind of pandemic people, and I am over that selfish nonsense. I don't blame Kody one bit for being annoyed with her. (Okay, shoot me now, I'm siding with Kody!)

 

I agree with you that Kody is legit terrified of Covid.  That's understandable.  It's his other actions that are despicable...culminating with Ysabel.  

[bichonblitz]

What a complete and utter mess this family is. 

I'm shocked that Meri doesn't jump at the thought of moving to Utah. Her B&B is there, her only child is living there now, she has no life with Kody, she seems to be doing ok financially with Luluroe. She was more than willing to leave the family when she thought she was in love with the catfish king so what's holding her now? 

Christine, after seeing the way Kody handled Ysabel's surgery discussion I don't know how she could ever come back from that conversation and have any relationship with the sperm donor of her kids. She needs to leave him and never look back.

When did Janelle become so pathetic and when did she become so concerned with the family dynamic? She and Meri hated each other for years. They could barely be in the same room together. Now TLC has nominated her to be the peace maker, traveling from wife to wife to try to mend the farce of a family. Her convo with Kody was painful. He was mocking her and had a sly grin on his face when she was talking about leaving for a few weeks. Will we be ok? Will this damage our relationship? I don't want to ruin what we have. Oh, girl. He could care less about you.

Robyn. She has aged rapidly. I could not help but think how unattractive she is now. What the hell does moving her 2 youngest have to do with anything? If you are going to move that is the best time to do it. Before they are deep in to school and making friends.  

[Cara]

Kody definitely crossed the line from his usual annoying and inconsiderate to outright cruel with the way he treated Ysabell!

Edited April 19, 2021 by Cara

[deirdra]

5 hours ago, brewgirl said:

It's particularly hypocritical of Meri, since she was ready to bolt when she thought she was deep in a relationship with another man. Where was all of this "never quit, we've put 30 years into this, I'm never leaving" thoughtline when she was close enough to leaving that she probably had a bag packed? I guess she is feeling that misery loves company so if she has to stay, everyone has to stay. 

In reality Meri probably knows that "everyone has to stay" to get another season of TLC money.

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Not a clue, but a thought. Perhaps Christine’s sister helped her find a hospital/surgeon where her financial situation would be accommodated.

Christine needed a supportive family and she didn't have one in Flagstaff.

[lamadeleine]

Oh, the train wreck that is this fambly.

Takeaways:

1. Kody is a repugnant piece of shit, but the fambly culture these clowns have Frankensteined together has does nothing but enable his narcissism. Case in point: Kody's suggestion that 16 year old Ysobel fly across the country by herself in the middle of a pandemic to get a major surgery. He admitted it was more about his need to be included in the event. He said something about being able to provide Ysobel with the strength and support she'd need..implying that Christine wouldn't be capable of doing that. Never mind that he's been an absentee father at best and one that has barely and only grudgingly supported Ysobel with her ongoing medical issues.  Kody's constant centering of himself in every situation is ingrained and supported by these women, and it's completely and totally gross.

2. That all being said about Kody and his fuckery....I can see his point in regards to COVID and the lack of consistent protocol in the family. I too was frustrated with Janelle and Christine's attitudes....just because Hunter rilly wants to see his family and Gwen rilly wants to go out of town after graduation doesn't make it a good idea, ladies.

3. Robin was weirdly silent throughout this episode, although her perpetual stink-face was worth a thousand words. I cannot not see her weird neck issues now...

4. Kody making a sarcastic remark about his and Janelle's "raging romance" having to wait while they quarantine....just cruel and unnecessary.

5.

4 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

Any The Walking Dead fans in here?

Meri to Christine:  "Look at the mountain"

Carole to Lizzie:  "Look at the flowers."  

 

Hahaha...this was the first thing I thought of. Meri's logic was really hard to track, but my takeaway was: "Your personal feelings don't matter here. I didn't leave, so you don't get to either...plus, we need your TLC paycheck."

6.

11 minutes ago, KnoxForPres said:

As said above the allowance of filming themselves has ripped the fourth wall down and not only exposed what we knew all along... but it’s even worse than we realized. 

Yes, but I have a question about this. There seemed to be large segments of the show (not the TH parts) that were professionally filmed, most notably, all the Coyote Poop Pass summit meetings. When Meri took Christine aside, it seemed that someone with a camera was following them in order to capture that private conversation..am I crazy?

 

[crimson23]

27 minutes ago, magemaud said:

 

'I've been thinking along the same lines. Kody appears to be the only one demonstrating a healthy respect for pandemic protocols. Christine and Janelle are both determined to do whatever they want. 

He talks about it, but is he actually putting it into practice? we don't see any masks, no gloves, no talk of what they are doing to keep themselves safe.  Hunter was the only one who mentioned he had been tested. He is still traveling amongst the family, and shacked up with Robyn.  Robyn claims that she and Sol are have health issues.  Maybe he should be with Mary whose place would be safer and pose less risk.   Kody is just mad that people are disagreeing with him.   And what social distancing is he doing? we all know he is going somewhere to get his hair permed.

The questions he was posing over the surgery...why can't WE wait???  he wasn't the one in pain, that's why.  And realistically, at that time, planes were pretty much empty.  it was much safer to travel in the fall.

[deirdra]

39 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Her convo with Kody was painful. He was mocking her and had a sly grin on his face when she was talking about leaving for a few weeks. Will we be ok? Will this damage our relationship? I don't want to ruin what we have. Oh, girl. He could care less about you.

Janelle tells Kootie they'll be apart for 5 weeks, after being mostly apart for 5 months, and Kootie says with a big smile "I'm fine with it".  Of course he is; one less household to dill with and he thinks his opinion is the only one that matters.

Edited April 19, 2021 by deirdra

[maxmama]

2 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

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2 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

FUCK YOU, KOOTIE.  I HOPE YOUR DICK ROTS AND FALLS THE HELL OFF.

I have never hated him more.  What a shitty excuse for a father.

Dare we hope?

[itsadryheat]

58 minutes ago, SuzWhat said:

Another example of how stupid Kody is - renting a goddam Uhaul to take that stuff to the dump when he has a pickup.

Didn't we just hear kody say he "wants a truck and a tractor" during the car stuck in the mud scene? Looks like he danced right to the dealership and got himself one, lol. Wonder where he parks the tractor. . . Liar. 

11 minutes ago, crimson23 said:

we don't see any masks

kody's to vain to wear a mask, at least on camera

[65mickey]

Kody maybe not so afraid of Covid but more afraid of pissing off Robyn.

[Kellyee]

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Any The Walking Dead fans in here?

Meri to Christine:  "Look at the mountain"

Carole to Lizzie:  "Look at the flowers."  

That Walking Dead scene made me cry, and felt far more real than any scene on this show this season.

Something the Walking Dead and Sister Wives have in common: Both have jumped the Shark and need to be cancelled.

Christine and Meri are just like every other sad situation where someone stays in a shitty relationship. My mother's close friend just celebrated 50 years of total misery. Meri's comment about "not quitting" because you've already put in 30 years reminded me of that. Just because Christine and Meri have been miserable for 30 years doesn't mean they're required to be miserable for another 30 years.

Did anyone else catch Kody's comment about "thinking" Gabe has a girlfriend? Like, he doesn't know if his son has a girlfriend? That means they don't speak on any kind of regular basis, and that's not just because of the pandemic. Hunter's attitude towards Kody was very telling as well. The kids all seem very attached to their moms and their siblings. Kody, not so much. And you can tell Kody is annoyed by it, even though it's his own fault.

I don't know why Janelle wimps out and didn't back up Christine. I can't figure out if she's really happy living this way or not. 

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The questions he was posing over the surgery...why can't WE wait???  he wasn't the one in pain, that's why.  And realistically, at that time, planes were pretty much empty.  it was much safer to travel in the fall.

My mother had cancer surgery during the pandemic. They test you beforehand for COVID, limit visitors, etc. It's very safe.

I don't buy for a minute that Kody is truly worried about COVID. Kody is doing what Robyn tells him to, and Robyn wants Kody all to herself. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[WhatsUpDummy]

I really felt for Christine this episode.  Going into the Utah talk she really (inexplicably) felt Kody would back her up and show some support.  Not only did he not show support, he sat there and did nothing while she quietly cried in front of everyone.  At least Meri got up and comforted her.  I didn't love her nonsense "You don't get to leave" pep talk but at least she gave her a hug and showed some support!  

Janelle has always been my favorite wife, she always seemed logical and practical and non-dramatic, but my opinion of her is really changing this season.  I'm shocked she's not following the proper COVID protocols, I thought she would've been all about caution, but her response to Christine wanting to move to Utah? "You just want to be near your kids". Uh, yeah.  Her 3 adult children are there, her grandchild is there, her extended family is there, her dying father is there.  Why wouldn't she want to go back to her home?  

Not to mention Kody's disgusting response to Ysabel's surgery.  We all already knew Kody was an egotistical a#@hole but this really takes the cake.  I hope Ysabel is done with him and I'm slightly disappointed in Christine for not raging at him in that moment. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by WhatsUpDummy

[deirdra]

1 minute ago, Kellyee said:

I don't know why Janelle wimps out and didn't back up Christine. I can't figure out if she's really happy living this way or not. 

Her dream of polygamy seems to have centered around her mother's having had a good relationship with her sister wives. That's what friends are for.  You don't need to share a dick or have 6 kids to have people to hang out with and support you.

1 minute ago, WhatsUpDummy said:

Janelle has always been my favorite wife, she always seemed logical and practical and non-dramatic, but my opinion of her is really changing this season.  I'm shocked she's not following the proper COVID protocols

I was wondering how many days Hunter quarantined before sitting/touching his morbidly obese mother at the picnic.

[Tuxcat]

Kody's problem is...wait for it...communication. 

Questions like "why there and why now" do seem reasonable to get all the information in the midst of a misunderstood global pandemic. I also wondered why the surgery needed to be in New Jersey. That was never answered. And I would have also asked many more questions as you weigh out the risks and benefits of having this intensive surgery across the country during a pandemic.

Last summer many surgeries were indeed postponed in order to free up space and staff for COVID patients. Visitors were drastically limited. Stringent rules for quarantine and testing before and after were in place. My husband is still on a waiting list to get into California for a medial procedure. Its been months and thats in 2021. 

Now that all being said  - the way Kody went about asking these questions was completely awful and dismissive and heartbreaking. Certainly Ysabel should not delay surgery when in pain. And certainly he could have gone with her by arranging it with Robyn.

We don't know how this was all edited also. To sum up. Kody's a jerk but people are so quick to judge without all the information.

 

 

[Mothra]

13 hours ago, absolutelyido said:

Using Meri's logic that Christine can't make a decision to leave the marriage that has been causing her pain for years because she is hurting, no one would ever get divorced. 

Meri, who was ready to disappear into the night with some "guy" she met on the internet.

These women must bite their tongues so much it's amazing they can speak at all.  Robbin' not wanting to disrupt her children's education, when the move to Flagstaff was all about her son Cincinnati and disrupting the last and later years of Janelle's kids' high school, where they had things going on that would have an impact on their future lives.

Robbin' talking about co-morbidities but deciding it's "not her place" to mention them <smirk>.

And Christine not saying "but Krusty, you told me you thought moving back to Utah would be a good idea, if the other wives would agree to it, and now you've given me absolutely no backup.  Which is it--do you want to return to Utah or not?"

And how could *every one* of these women not jump down Krusty's throat over his treatment of Isobel or however the fuck plygs spell that name?  Christ, we watched that poor child endure quackery for at least a year because I assume Krusty can't pay for the surgery; does she never get relief?  And *of course* he should go.  With that kind of major surgery, Isobel is going to need someone with her all the time for the first few days, and Christine is going to need support, too.  Did Christine not immediately get on the horn to the other wives and tell them about this?

Isobel's objection, which I don't think either parent heard, that the doctor wouldn't schedule the operation during covid if he felt it would be unsafe, seems to me a legitimate one.  And I wondered if there isn't some other facility, closer than NJ, that could perform this surgery--someplace within driving distance.  I don't think it's all that rare an operation (but I might be wrong).

But something happened in this episode that really shocked me:  I agreed with Krusty about their covid behavior.  I wanted to punch Janelle's son who had just graduated in his fucking throat for his wise-ass response to Krusty's warning that side effects from covid could last a lifetime--we *know* that there are physical, mental, and psychological problems that endure after the acute illness is over, sometimes long after.   And Janelle is insane not to insist that her two boys that go out every day at least wear masks at home.  They ought to quarantine themselves.  Christine, who is, unfortunately, bat-shit crazy due to living as a polygamist, also doesn't seem to get it about covid safety.  But Krusty does.

 

[lindalouwho]

Keep sweet. Endure to the end. These relationships are for eternity. If you’re jealous of the other women sleeping with your husband, deal with it. All this mental and emotional pain will make you better. If this show was supposed to make polygamy look normal or attractive, it’s a big fail for me.

[WhatAmIWatching]

11 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

don't know why Janelle wimps out and didn't back up Christine. I can't figure out if she's really happy living this way or not. 

Janelle isn't happy. Look at her, she's humongous and half-comatose.

Changing the way they communicate won't change diddly, unless they say what they really mean and feel, instead of dancing around the hard truths all the dang time.

 

Forgive me if my typing is bad, but I think my eyes rolled out into the street when The Chin said she and Sol were high risk to once having pneumonia and rsv respectively. Chile, neither of you are high risk.

 

I had to inject some humor during the absolutely horrible scenes of Christine's. (It was too much and made me rage with how uncaring and dismissive her 'family' was! Her entire heart breaking in front of all of them, and us, to watch. I also didn't believe it was possible for me to loathe Kootie even more.) All I could think was she needed to stand up and do the Citizen's Divorce like in the movie Man With Two Brains.

 

[Mothra]

On 4/19/2021 at 10:01 AM, magemaud said:

Coming back to ask a question about Janelle’s granddaughter who needs surgery for FATCO because she’s “missing a few bones.” Janelle went on to say Evie was going to be fitted for a prosthetic because one leg is “six or seven inches shorter” than the other one. This discrepancy would be significant enough in an adult, but in an infant wouldn’t that be at least half of her leg?

I wondered about what the plan was, too.  Is Evie getting old enough to pull herself to standing, or to walk?  I have no sense of how old she is.  I worked at a rehab hospital for years, running the prosthetic/orthotics clinic, and although we didn't treat infants, in teenagers or young adults who were not done growing, sometimes a temporary pylon-type prosthetic was prescribed so that posture and general physical ability would not be impeded by the missing or shortened limb.

I'm wondering--suspecting--that they will need to amputate her foot on the shorter leg; in fact, back when I was involved, amputating only the foot was never a good idea because it was harder to get a good fit from the socket of the prosthetic.  The important thing to preserve, if possible, is the knee joint because a prosthetic knee complicates everything.  But if her leg is so much shorter, they may need to amputate her leg to above the knee because otherwise she'd be left with one knee at mid-thigh level.

On the bright side, modern prostheses are wonderful and usually undetectable, and since she would be wearing one practically since birth, Evie should do very, very well with hers, able to participate in sports, etc.  I've known young men who played basketball for their school teams and a 90-year-old lady who lived in a third-floor walkup.

Edited to add:  Those people were amputees, not just young men who played basketball and old ladies who could get upstairs.  The 90-year-old was a double amputee, btw.

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