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S18.E11: Olympic Game Plan


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29 minutes ago, Archer27 said:

I am really worried for Geoffrey. I hope Victoria goes

Ha...good one.  That idiot judge ALWAYS loves what Victoria does...even though it's the same thing over and over again.  I would have really been greatly PO'd if she beat Nancy.  Nancy's dress was so tasteful.

I was worried for Geoffrey and I'm glad nobody went.  Although I thought Brittany should have gone.

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47 minutes ago, raven said:

Well, Victoria's is pretty terrible.

Sergio's is a basic style but looks good.

 

Sergio's look was just okay to me.  He continues to show how his design aesthetic is very much 50's-60's influenced, especially with this flowy maternity dress, and his comments about "expecting" women not wanting anything form fitting or tight.  I don't recall whether his model said she wanted something flowy or something more body conscious.  She did say on the runway that she wanted something to show off her baby bump, so maybe she did want the dress to be more fitted.  I also agree with Brandon - I thought the bodice was a hot mess of ill-fitting darts and seams.

I also was not a fan of the color, but then again, I'm opposed to yellow in general as any shade of yellow makes me look sallow or jaundiced.  

But, between Sergio's and Victoria's, I think Sergio's was the better of the two.  Victoria's looked cheap and tawdry.  (I find most of her designs to be tawdry, though)

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I'm glad they included Paralympians.  I've always thought an interesting "real person" challenge would be to design for women with various physical disabilities.  Women who want to wear good fashion but have to accomadate braces, splints, crutches/canes, and yes wheelchairs and pothesises; women who have limited use of their hands or arms, etc

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Did the designers know they weren't in danger of going home?  Because I didn't get a sense of urgency from ANY of them. 

So Nancy leaves a bunch of burnt shit on the iron and doesn't even speak up.  Maybe Devlin and Brittany know something that the rest of us haven't seen.

Victoria was happy because she just had to recreate the dress she's been making forever.

Sergio's dress was nice but you can find it in any maternity store.

None of these dresses were very special.  There just didn't seem to be much effort put into this week.  No surprise that this was Nancy's week.  If this was an elimination challenge, Geoffrey should have been escorted out.

 

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When I saw Sergio’s dress, I was reminded of Kerry Washington’s 2016 Emmy dress - designed by Brandon. I like Kerry/Brandon’s dress better though. I thought there was some fit issues on Sergio’s yellow dress. 
 

 

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Did the models get to keep those garments?  If so, I wonder what happens after the fact, with Geoffrey's model's dress?  If whatever residue that got ironed onto his dress was some kind of adhesive or sticky stuff, I can't think of any way to remove it, so it would make the dress pretty much unwearable in the future.  Heat is what bonds adhesive or fusible webbing or interfacing, etc. to a garment, and makes it pretty permanent.  That's why any fusible webbing or interfacing has instructions to use some kind of pressing cloth between the iron and the garment.  I've used this many times, and I have gotten it on the iron.  The only way to remove it is to let the iron cool down completely and clean the iron.  

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I thought the color of Sergio’s dress was pretty, but thought so much more could’ve been done for her.   When I was pregnant, I actually didn’t like my belly just hanging loose under my clothes.  I generally wore more clingy clothes ...felt more supportive.  Plus Sergio just sucks and there are tons of beautiful maternity dresses as evidenced in the post above of Kerry Washington.  
 

I thought Marquis was a goner.   His model was so cute but that dress was not good.

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Hahahhahahahahahahahaahah Victoria is such an asshole.  Such a hypocrite and an asshole.  Hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha aai ai aiaiai a

I really liked Sergio's dress!  I thought the athlete looked so hot in it, seriously!

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8 minutes ago, AttackTurtle said:

I thought Marquis was a goner.   His model was so cute but that dress was not good.

She was so cute!

1 hour ago, Lady of nod said:

Can I just say that I cannot stand Brittany. Her resentment of Victoria is not a good look and getting very old. I do not understand why Christian saved her. I can 't even remember one of her looks. She should be eliminated just for that ruffle sleeve lavender top she's wearing. 

Christian and Brittany are SO friendly with each other.  I love Christian, but it feels like favouritism.  He treats her like his BFF !

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1 hour ago, Ellaria Sand said:

Sergio’s dress was pretty and I prefer that type of fit on a pregnant woman rather than one that is tight and revealing. (When I was pregnant, I wanted nothing to do with form-fitting clothes.)

I'm not even pregnant and I don't like form fitting either!  Somebody can look sexy with clothing that isn't tight.  I thought the model looked very sexy!

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Well, that sucked. I'm with Victoria, who was thrilled to be in the top five...only, suddenly, it looks like Brittany is going to have to be aufed for that frumpy mother of the prom dress, so bam! We'll keep you all! Spewing.

I am not sure if I missed it? But I thought it was incredibly immature and slimy and just plain wrong of Nancy to not apologise on the runway for ruining another designer's look by gumming up the iron. I've really gone off her.

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Because of her stature and youthful face, whatever Scout, Marquise’s model, wore was going to look young. If he had gone sexier, it would have looked like barely legal porn. It’s a damn shame because she’s a beautiful woman.

Nancy’s garment was great and although super annoying, she’d been on the behavioral high road. No longer. It wasn’t going to get Geoffrey knocked out, but not owning it was sneaky and tactless. 

I kind of love Victoria’s unrepentant bitchiness, but her designs suck.

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2 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

Because of her stature and youthful face, whatever Scout, Marquise’s model, wore was going to look young. If he had gone sexier, it would have looked like barely legal porn. It’s a damn shame because she’s a beautiful woman.

Nancy’s garment was great and although super annoying, she’d been on the behavioral high road. No longer. It wasn’t going to get Geoffrey knocked out, but not owning it was sneaky and tactless. 

I kind of love Victoria’s unrepentant bitchiness, but her designs suck.

Brittany might be a bitch but she could have called Nancy out for fucking up the iron and she didn't.  Nancy had enough sense of shame to hang her head but she wasn't woman enough to own up to ruining another designer's dress.  There's no way she didn't know there was crap on the iron; she would have smelled it.  She just didn't care. 

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Anyone who has time to make themselves a shirt, but not line a top can go. 

I call bs on Victoria getting a client with her tight and tacky aesthetic. 

Sergio, you are not as awesome as you think you are. Thankful that there were no political statements this week.

I wonder if Nancy fessed up but they cut it? She really didn’t know it was her in the workroom. Loved her multi piece outfit. Her athlete even had a matching piece in her hair.

Geoff, the iron didn’t ruin your dress, you did. It was badly fitting and a wardrobe malfunction waiting to happen.

 

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I think that Sergio is an obnoxious prick, but he definitely picked just the right shade of yellow for that gown. Yellow can go bad very easily so it is risky to choose it, but he nailed it this time. However, the way that he sneered that he had no idea why a pregnant woman would actually show off her belly has me wondering if he feels the same about a woman of size with an apple shape. His asshole-ishness in the past makes me suspect the worse about him. 

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Christian really got on my nerves this episode.When they were at Mood & he kept trying to get people to change their dress color from red, & kept telling people to "change their client's mind" I wanted to smack him. Imagine if you're a client & you asked for red, but the designer decided you want fuschia instead. I would be seriously pissed.

Victoria's cheap looking dress was too short, she should have gone home.

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I really need more details to explain how Victoria's husband believing in her talent = he left his career as a professional soccer player in Bucharest (according to Wikipedia, his team was ranked #63 in the International Federation of Football History & Statistics in 2018) and "sacrificed everything." Is there a reason why he couldn't play soccer while she designed clothes? These aren't mutually exclusive activities so I don't understand why he had to quit soccer in order for her to design.

Hahaha, I loved the producers showing us a montage of Geoffrey doing pull ups after he said that his muscles are for show.

I know that Christian is genuinely trying to help the designers but I really respect when the designers try to give their clients what they want instead of trying to push their own artistic vision onto the clients. If you're just going to make what you always make, then what's the point of making custom items (aside from charging more, that is)? Just tell your client to buy something off the rack and have a tailor take it in. Once you've consulted with the client and been told that they want red, it's shitty to switch to a completely different color just because everyone else is doing red too. Just make the best red dress out there and it won't matter how many other people make red dresses.

I didn't like when Christian kept saying to push the clients. It's one thing to push them while you're talking to the client because sometimes they're open to different things. But it's another thing entirely to talk to the client, tell them you're going to do XYZ, and then give them something completely different. I know in the real world, you would have multiple meetings with the client and you could talk to the client if you wanted to make changes, but on PR they don't have that opportunity so it's shitty to give the client something different than what you talked about.

Ha, I loved Christian's rhythmic gymnastics impression with the measuring tape.

Victoria made a toned down version of what she makes every damn week. That skirt was really short. It barely covered the model's ass. The simplified version of her usual strappy cut out asymmetric design plus the fabric she used made it look like a really cheap mall dress. It looked like something on the sale rack at Forever 21. She had $400 and she bought that cheap polyester - WHY?

Sergio's yellow dress was boring. The lighter shade of yellow made it seem like an Easter church maternity dress. But I will give him that his dress looked really comfy without looking sloppy sweatpants. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion but like Brittany, I don't really care what Sergio thinks about pregnant women wearing tight clothing. Some women like wearing very form fitting clothes while they're pregnant and there's nothing wrong with that.

Marquise made a good fabric choice because the skirt flowed beautifully on the runway. But the top was not good. His client specifically said that she wanted something more mature looking because she's usually relegated to shopping in the kids' section due to her petite stature. Marquise could have given her a regular adult bodice but instead he gave her what looked like a tank top from The Limited Too or a warm up leotard for a gymnastics meet.

Brittany's black dress was pretty and exactly what her client asked for. It wasn't the most innovative/fashion forward dress on the runway, but let's be real - none of what we saw this week was. The beaded black overlay was a good choice to add sparkle without being too tacky or juvenile. I thought Brittany did a great job of dealing with her client's multiple requests to show some cleavage, hide her tan lines, etc.

Related aside: I got some HIDEOUS tan lines on my shoulders the weekend before my junior prom (I was wearing a tank top with thick straps and a neckline that was straight across). I'd already bought a strapless dress with a sweetheart neckline so the tanlines were really obvious and hideous. For that reason, I totally get Brittany's client wanting her dress to hide all of her tan lines. It's hard to feel pretty when you think everyone's staring at your terrible tan lines.

Geoffrey's dress definitely looked like a mall prom dress. I appreciated that he did everything he could to honor all of her requests about the leg slit and her shoulders. It didn't fit very well but I liked that he was trying really hard to continue making corrections up until the time was called. I felt bad that he was already so stressed and then he got black marks on his dress from the iron. I was glad that Nina said they wouldn't penalize him for that because they understand it's a community iron. I don't understand why the judges had an issue with the slit on his dress yet they were fine with Victoria making her dress super short. Short is short, people. But I did appreciate that Karlie pointed out this was the only dress that looked like it would be worn out for a victory party. I know it's not everyone's taste but Olympic parties aren't all kids in their pajamas.

Nancy's corset dress was not my favorite (I didn't like all the embellishments and I really didn't care for the blah color) but I liked the train that Nancy added to the back of the wheelchair. She did a great job of making sure that it wouldn't get tangled up in her wheels. I also really liked that she made it so that her client could take it off herself. Even though this wasn't my favorite dress, I could see all the thought she put into the design specifically for her client.

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30 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

know that Christian is genuinely trying to help the designers but I really respect when the designers try to give their clients what they want instead of trying to push their own artistic vision onto the clients. If you're just going to make what you always make, then what's the point of making custom items (aside from charging more, that is)? Just tell your client to buy something off the rack and have a tailor take it in. Once you've consulted with the client and been told that they want red, it's shitty to switch to a completely different color just because everyone else is doing red too. Just make the best red dress out there and it won't matter how many other people make red dresses.

There is more than one shade of red. Even if most of the clients wanted red, there is ruby, pillar box, cherry, burgundy, strawberry, blood red, scarlet, vermilion, on and on.

They all chose a tacky shade of orangey-red, or tomato red, from what I could see.

And Christian was right. They needed to not lose their sense of style and their point-of-view as a designer, while doing their best to please their clients, accentuate their best features, and make them feel comfortable and confident and beautiful. I think Victoria filled the brief, in that regard, the best.

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2 minutes ago, tunajune said:

Having lived in a dorm where the laundry room had a communal iron, I can't imagine pressing my clothes without first examining the plate.  You can't depend upon everyone being considerate, or even noticing a problem.

When I was a broke college student living in the dorms, I decided it was worth scraping together enough of my minimum wage work study money to buy my own iron so  wouldn't have to deal with that. You really can't trust other people not to fuck up a communal iron.

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8 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

Did the designers know they weren't in danger of going home?  Because I didn't get a sense of urgency from ANY of them...

...None of these dresses were very special.  There just didn't seem to be much effort put into this week.  

In retrospect, yes, the designers seemed decidedly less nervous. Maybe it was known beforehand that this would be a non-elimination challenge.

And, if so, I'm OK with it. (Sorry, Victoria.) I've watched years of PR and the "design for the normal woman" challenge usually sends some of the designers into fits of anxiety and rudeness. The designers were pleasant and appeared to enjoy working with their clients. 

None of the dresses - other than Nancy's - were intricately designed or particularly unique. I don't blame that on the designers themselves for a "lack of effort." Rather, why couldn't this have been a 2-day challenge? If the goal was to give these women a custom-designed dress that they could actually wear, then there should have been more time to create/execute. IMO, the lack of commitment to the challenge comes from the show itself and it's producers rather than the designers.

I am looking forward to seeing what results from the avant-garde challenge because that will be a test to see how far they can push their design esthetic. 

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9 hours ago, Archer27 said:

As usual, Victoria is a total bitch when learning that no one went home...now, if she was in the bottom, she would have been tight-lipped. I HATE HER

Yes, and especially considering that Geoffrey was practically in tears in the last episode when he thought she would be going home! 

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10 hours ago, TexasGal said:

And that they made sure Nancy wouldn’t make wide leg pants.  

 

I knew Nancy was going to win when Karlie came out wearing wide-legged pants.

 

1 hour ago, tunajune said:

Having lived in a dorm where the laundry room had a communal iron, I can't imagine pressing my clothes without first examining the plate.  You can't depend upon everyone being considerate, or even noticing a problem.

I'm a middle aged woman living on my own and I still check my iron before using it.

I love Geoffrey but his dress was cheap, trashy, and unflattering to his athlete.

Sergio's athlete rocked the runway.

I'm all in favour of a modesty panel, but my eyes would still be drawn to Brittany's athlete's cleavage and saggy boobs despite the cheap black net.

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3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Related aside: I got some HIDEOUS tan lines on my shoulders the weekend before my junior prom (I was wearing a tank top with thick straps and a neckline that was straight across). I'd already bought a strapless dress with a sweetheart neckline so the tanlines were really obvious and hideous. For that reason, I totally get Brittany's client wanting her dress to hide all of her tan lines. It's hard to feel pretty when you think everyone's staring at your terrible tan lines.

I had to leave work early to do emergency tan line fixing for my daughter after she got bad tan lines the day of her senior prom LOL. What mothers will do.... Spray tan worked pretty well.

I couldn't keep my mind off the fact that while the one athlete was 22 weeks pregnant at the taping, that baby's going to be well and BORN by the time of the olympics this summer and her hoped for victory party.... I overthink things.

2 hours ago, violet and green said:

They all chose a tacky shade of orangey-red, or tomato red, from what I could see.

I noticed that as well. I'm not even sure I would call it "red."

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Victoria criticizes Marquise for making his dress look cheap meanwhile she is using a cheap polyester fabric. I’m glad the judges at least dinged her for that. Victoria got really lucky that her athlete had a nice figure and could make her dress look better than it really was. 

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1 hour ago, Brookside said:

I'm all in favour of a modesty panel, but my eyes would still be drawn to Brittany's athlete's cleavage and saggy boobs despite the cheap black net.

Yes, this.  I felt bad that there was no support for her chest.  I know she wanted cleavage and a low V, but you can still design in some support.  Maybe not with a 1 day challenge, I don't know.   That said, she did look better (overall) in that dress than I initially thought she would.  

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Just a note on Christian, yes, he was telling the designers to push their clients and giving them advice on how to stand out on the runway. That's his job as a mentor, to push the designers into giving their best, elevating their designs and making themselves distinct on the runway.

But this is the same man who designed Julie Butters the exact Oscar dress that she wanted and everything else be damned.

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There is a time and a place to focus solely on pleasing the client, and a design competition is not that place.

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I agree with the judges that Sergio had fit problems in the bodice, but I though it was an ok dress overall.

What really bothered me was his comments that he can't imagine any women wanting a fitted dress when they're pregnant. He's once again showing his lack of knowledge of women in general and of fashion, as there have been many beautiful red carpet maternity looks that are fitted. 

Here's one that was designed by our very own Brandon Maxwell.

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After revealing his ego and narrow beliefs on this show, I bet Sergio will see a downturn in clients. I certainly wouldn't want him to be my designer even if I could afford him!

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12 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

I can’t stand her either mainly because she’s such an asshole to Nancy. 
 

Thank you.  Coming from a fellow Nancy of an almost similar age, the constant eye rolls from her in Nancy's direction and her verrryyyyy dismissive attitude (she might as well just be saying "OK BOOMER") grate on me.  I'm also giving the side eye to Delvin who expressed the same disdain.  I'd love to see any of these other designers transition from a successful career to a brand new one and have half the success that Nancy is having at designing.   ETA, if Nancy did not own up to messing up the iron, she should have.

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Brittany's dress is looking a little Morticia.

Haha, and I found it to be a bit matronly/mom of the bride!

ETA: Someone beat me to the MotB description! Thank you for confirming it isn't just me!

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When I was pregnant, I actually didn’t like my belly just hanging loose under my clothes.  I generally wore more clingy clothes ...felt more supportive. 

I have never been/never will be pregnant (and am more than fine with that) but I think I'd feel the same way. Even when I wear flowy maxi dresses in the summer (when I could conceivably be just naked under there with no one being the wiser!), I like to have something clingy (I'm partial to those bodysuit-style lingerie things, whatever they're even called).

I have absolutely zero issue with the length of Victoria's dress--except, perhaps ironically, for that long part, which I hated so much. 

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