Reel to Real: Backstage, Twitter, & All Media Dram-ugh

[crosby777]

On 9/8/2018 at 5:19 PM, Anna Yolei said:

When did Jack and Lauren date?

It was more just sex.. but I am thinking late 80's early 90's

[peacheslatour]

I want to take this opportunity to thank spinxella for all your stalwart posting from Twitter. It has got to be exhausting. You're a trooper spinx!

[crosby777]

19 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

People were protesting it?

the old biddies on a different board had their panties in a twist.

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, crosby777 said:

the old biddies on a different board had their panties in a twist.

But most of us here could be called old biddies. What the hell is wrong with some people?

[DeafAngelboy23]

Took some time off after the death of my mother for two months & now I’m back. I’m literally amazed at the speed of backstage drama across the soap world in just two months?! Bless y’all for suffering it all through & stay loyal to the dying industry! 

[ByaNose]

It's pretty crazy they would can him at this point. I guess they need to free up the police station set for some new condo's. I can't believe that ED, CK and now DD are gone. You can love them or hate them but TPTB don't care about any family history. I mean Jack isn't even an Abbott anymore. WTF?

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, DeafAngelboy23 said:

Took some time off after the death of my mother for two months & now I’m back. I’m literally amazed at the speed of backstage drama across the soap world in just two months?! Bless y’all for suffering it all through & stay loyal to the dying industry! 

I'm so sorry for the loss of your mom. I lost mine in 2017. I guess we're all getting to that age. Was your mom a Y&R fan too? Mine was but quit the last time Nikki got back with Victor. She hated Victor after he told Nilkki he wanted to see her dead.

Edited September 11, 2018 by peacheslatour

[FairyDusted]

I'm sorry @DeafAngelboy23 to hear of your loss. Welcome Back. 

I had no idea when I was going back and forth with Doug D that he was let go. Sure SHOW ruined his character but I liked Doug. I loved seeing him with CB and SH as his siblings. With all the cast leaving in droves I say pull it off life support and cast a new show I won't watch. I am LIVID with CBS as it is. I'll just block it like I did that Scamology shit. 

FUCK YOU MAL!

[DeafAngelboy23]

Just to be clear my mom was only 52 years old when she went away to heaven. I’m almost 33 so it’s not fair but that’s the way it is in his plan. She was not a big soap fan like I am & prefers to read books. 

[Tippi]

My guess...they'll try to push out Peter Bergman next.  Someone somewhere needed to step in and stop this insane de-Abbotting of Jack.  And if they just had to go there, why oh why make him any kind of relation to Victor?  Sickening and preposterous.

[Capricasix]

4 hours ago, DeafAngelboy23 said:

Took some time off after the death of my mother for two months & now I’m back. I’m literally amazed at the speed of backstage drama across the soap world in just two months?! Bless y’all for suffering it all through & stay loyal to the dying industry! 

So sorry for your loss - she was so young ? I’m only four years younger than she was, so that’s pretty sobering.

[babyhouseman]

Paul was never a favorite, but it's sad he's gone. I remember back when he was arguing with his mother and dealing with the feisty Lauren. Paul's detective agency with Andy(President Ford's real life son) and Lynn the secretary was a big thing. He should've had a scene with Nate since he worked with Nate's late father. Now we get more time for Philly. Yippee! lol

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, Tippi said:

My guess...they'll try to push out Peter Bergman next.  Someone somewhere needed to step in and stop this insane de-Abbotting of Jack.  And if they just had to go there, why oh why make him any kind of relation to Victor?  Sickening and preposterous.

Probably they did that because of how Y&R fans were so over the moon about Jill's retcon to be Kay's long lost daughter after we'd seen them fight for decades! And then Jill got a whole new son to replaced the one that was killed off, who fans also couldn't get enough of! Yup, that was great ideas right there!

?

PS: if they let Peter Bergman go, can he be recast as Nick Marone on B&B? Hell, can he recast Ridge? At least we know he'll show up with his A-Game and can do the loveable asshole bit that made Ridge work all these years.

[TobinAlbers]

2 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

PS: if they let Peter Bergman go, can he be recast as Nick Marone on B&B? Hell, can he recast Ridge? At least we know he'll show up with his A-Game and can do the loveable asshole bit that made Ridge work all these years.

My first instinct is no to PB as Nick Marone and yet I'm intrigued to see him play a former cigar smoking sailor. 

Getting rid of Jack would hurt the show as Victor needs Jack as a foil. No one else comes close. CurrentBilly doesn't have the necessary venom (unlike Billy Miller) needed. Kyle going ape on Victor if he takes away his other parent and wanting to make up to Jack for being a dink could be interesting if they fully unleash Kyle.

[jewel21]

Man,  they had better not even think of getting rid of Jack Abbott. 

What happened to that woman, Angela something, who was so happy Sally was coming on board and it was going to be about family and the veterans, etc? Mal took over and it's been nothing but crickets from her. 

[Anna Yolei]

3 minutes ago, TobinAlbers said:

Getting rid of Jack would hurt the show as Victor needs Jack as a foil. No one else comes close.

Yep, which is exactly why Mal Young would do it and make AssBilly the new nemesis.

I wouldn't be surprised if if they tried to drive Braeden himself off the show and force some new....thing with. Nick and Billy, where Billy always wins. I'm already pissed off thinking about it.

[TobinAlbers]

9 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Yep, which is exactly why Mal Young would do it and make AssBilly the new nemesis.

I wouldn't be surprised if if they tried to drive Braeden himself off the show and force some new....thing with. Nick and Billy, where Billy always wins. I'm already pissed off thinking about it.

The next gen Newman/Abbott rivalry easily was Adam and Billy. Billy understandably would never get over Adam's role in Delia's death but both are tied together due to Johnny, Katie, and Connor all being related. Adam would take a lot of Billy's crap to a certain point and then fight back. Add in Jack's loyalty to Adam as another layer. Johnny and Connor would want to be friends, brothers, cousins but their fathers would make it impossible. Katie would be torn between her brother and cousin. Add in a teen Bella in a few years who could also be Johnny's sister and but also falls for Connor despite her mother loathing his father and you have loooads of next gen Abbott/Newman story.

[spinxella]

[Sake614]

And the saga continues...’set-side sources’ claim he’s still with the show but was bumped to recurring in January. Unless I missed something in his tweets, He never actually said he was fired, just that he doesn’t feel the showrunner  respects history.

[boes]

I make fun of Tightpockets and always will, but come on, dumping him, either firing him or recurring, which in Mal's case seems pretty much the same thing, seems to be a premediated purge of all the vets who no longer hold center stage, other than, possibly, Victor, Nikki and Jack.  If that's Mal's attitude, that he's going to reshape the Show to fit his vision then there isn't anyone who is safe.  It's not Mal's history so apparently, history be damned.  The Chancellor set is in storage, as, apparently, is Victor's office and the the Ranch.  We've seen nothing even of Victoria's set in a while, now, either.  

This smells like AMC several years before the end, when Julia Barr was given the "option" of going recurring, or quitting.  Just like Eileen Davidson now.  Julia told them to stuff it and just disappeared until Show was wrapping up.  All the other vets with the exception of Susan Lucci also either disappeared or were AWOL for very extended periods.  It was like watching a bizzaro version of the show, with people and families and storylines that were maybe set in Pine Valley but had only a passing resemblance to what had kept me watching for 40 years.  And it became the Cam Matheson and Rebecca Budig Hour and that shit was as enraging as it was painful to watch.  Now we've got the Jason Thompson and Gina Tognoni Hour and it's just the Y&R version of the same awful crap.  

Y&R isn't as far gone as AMC was at that point but it sure feels like it's heading rapidly in that direction.

Edited September 12, 2018 by boes

[valleycliffe]

8 minutes ago, boes said:

It was like watching a bizzaro version of the show, with people and families and storylines that were maybe set in Pine Valley but had only a passing resemblance to what had kept me watching for 40 years.  And it became the Cam Matheson and Rebecca Budig Hour and that's was as enraging as it was painful to watch.

until this day, i can not stand either one of those actors......they became what philly are today, the shows everything and everyone wants them cause they are so HAWT....

[valleycliffe]

oh gosh, i was just at a different forum and they were discussing eb's month long vacay and dd being let go.

a poster chimed in with "he/she was happy they were finally getting the "young" in the young and restless cause they were tired of the same ole same ole..

i replied to them and ended with having newbies is fine, but they should be a side dish, not the entree.

[miamama]

3 hours ago, Sake614 said:

And the saga continues...’set-side sources’ claim he’s still with the show but was bumped to recurring in January. Unless I missed something in his tweets, He never actually said he was fired, just that he doesn’t feel the showrunner  respects history.

DD is clearly being ghosted. I am no fan of Paul and don't much care for DD -- especially when he was seemingly happy Sally Sussman was out. But I think his move (if it is even calculated enough to call a "move") to say he was fired/let go (someone tweeted "were you fired?" and he replied "it sounds harsh but yes") is smart. TPTB are reluctant to fire vets because it looks shitty on them (so they cut their pay or take them off contract or give them crap stories until they "choose" to leave). Vets must cost a fortune (40 years of seniority!) so I get not using him (also Paul is not remotely compelling any more). But at least send him off with a bang. Give him a huge exit with loads of sap -- like MiM got. LML killed John and Brad but they did at least get to die. Paul is just fading...fading...gone. Other regimes threw him a bone once a year or two with a story to showcase his sobbing abilities and usually let him march around the cop set or handcuff someone and he seemed content. But Mal won't even do that. So good on DD for stirring it up. What's show going to say? "He isn't fired. We just took him off contract and haven't scheduled him for the foreseeable future also somenewguy is sitting in Paul's office this week cracking the JT case."

JT was Paul's partner; he was in town at Paul's behest; Paul is JT killer Nikki's oldest friend but REY WHO? is solving the case using Paul's office. 

Whatever, show.

I don't really care about Doug. But it speaks to the larger trend of treating vets like shit (I seriously think Mal is giving Peter and Eric utter garbage so they retire) and shamelessly pushing that pair of fucktards GinaANDJason who were -- what?--simulating a blowjob on the floor of their trash motel the other day? I won't/can't watch but saw the gif. I mean WHAT THE FUCK? She lifts her head up and says WOW and he is sprawled on the floor with a sheet over his waist and his leg entwined with hers. "WE CROSSED A LINE. WE ARE HOT AND FREE SPIRITS." Puke. What is it with Mal and the sex with these two? Didn't they cross lines in NOLA too? So. Revolting.

I'm just hopeful Josh Griffith is here to usher Mal out. It won't get better under Josh. But Mal is a true POS IMO. He lies in interviews. He no doubt fucked Sally over so she was ousted. And he has created an apparently toxic atmosphere on set. I have never read an interview of PB's like the one Spinx posted in this thread. He's positively miserable. And he's never sounded like that. He knows Eileen comes and goes but this latest departure was clearly different.

[PatsyandEddie]

On 9/11/2018 at 9:42 AM, valleycliffe said:

i just sent off my thoughts to cbs feedback....

http://audienceservices.cbs.com/feedback/feedback.htm

probably won't do any good at all but at least it made me feel better to get it off my chest.

 

Thanks for the line valley! Just used it! 

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, valleycliffe said:

oh gosh, i was just at a different forum and they were discussing eb's month long vacay and dd being let go.

a poster chimed in with "he/she was happy they were finally getting the "young" in the young and restless cause they were tired of the same ole same ole..

i replied to them and ended with having newbies is fine, but they should be a side dish, not the entree.

There's a right and a wrong way to introduce new characters, and shoving newbies front and center while gutting historical vets left and right is not it. Victor Newman began as a 13 week role that took off unexpectedly and even then it was decades before Victor took over the show.

I can't think of a single new character that's taken off organically in the last ten years. Maybe Mariah, and that was more about how LML stupidly killed off Cassie, then Show proceeded to rub salt in that wound every birthday, Christmas, anniversary, and any time either half of Shick wanted an excuse to be the shitty people they would have been if she had lived.

[Capricasix]

Here’s an absolutely blistering column from Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, creator of Designing Women, on her treatment at the hands of Les Moonves.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/designing-women-creator-les-moonves-not-all-harassment-is-sexual-1142448

”By 1995, Mr. Stringer and Mr. Sagansky were gone and a new, unknown (to me) president named Les Moonves had taken over. By then, I was producing a new pilot, prophetically titled Fully Clothed Non-Dancing Women. I was immediately concerned when I heard that Mr. Moonves was rumored to be a big fan of topless bars. Then, someone delivered the news that he especially hated Designing Womenand their loud-mouthed speeches. He showed up at the first table read and took a chair directly across from mine (actress Illeana Douglas, who later accused him of sexual harassment, sat next to me). Having been voted most popular in high school, I felt confident that I would be able to charm him. I was wrong. He sat and stared at me throughout the entire reading with eyes that were stunningly cold, as in, “You are so dead.” I had not experienced such a menacing look since Charles Manson tried to stare me down on a daily basis when I was a young reporter covering that trial. As soon as the pilot was completed, Moonves informed me that it would not be picked up. I was at the pinnacle of my career. I would not work again for seven years.”

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

fucktards GinaANDJason who were -- what?--simulating a blowjob on the floor of their trash motel the other day? I won't/can't watch but saw the gif. I mean WHAT THE FUCK? She lifts her head up and says WOW and he is sprawled on the floor with a sheet over his waist and his leg entwined with hers. "WE CROSSED A LINE. WE ARE HOT AND FREE SPIRITS." Puke. What is it with Mal and the sex with these two? Didn't they cross lines in NOLA too? So. Revolting.

Honestly, I find it quite creepy, and without going into the many ways I find it creepy, I'll just say I find it extremely weird that those characters are written to have sex MULTIPLE TIMES in the span of ONE episode and it happens in the large majority of episodes they are featured in.

[bannana]

1 minute ago, HeatLifer said:

Honestly, I find it quite creepy, and without going into the many ways I find it creepy, I'll just say I find it extremely weird that those characters are written to have sex MULTIPLE TIMES in the span of ONE episode and it happens in the large majority of episodes they are featured in.

And the thought of anyone doing it on the carpet of a hotel!  I won't even walk barefoot on a hotel carpet.  

[spinxella]

[In2You]

Doug is recurring and has been for  months. What is there to fight for? He needs to be in a supporting role at best.

Edited September 12, 2018 by In2You

[spinxella]

 

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, spinxella said:

 

TPTB aka Mal aka whoever runs things is so pathetic. The only people happy right now (as far as I can tell) are JT, GT, and any newbies being hired. 

[spinxella]

[Gam2]

Many months ago, I suggested that what this show needed was a good murder mystery like back in the good old days. There would be twists and turns; we’d see the cops at work in the field and at the office; everyone in town would be speculating as would we at home as viewers. I didn’t suggest that last sentence as I thought it would be obvious to long time viewers as to how the mystery should play out. I certainly did not suggest the “JT gets kilt by the stupid foursome and buried in Katherine’s memorial park” story line. It never occurred to me that that was even a possibility. I was so hoping that Victor got killed because there would be so many, many suspects. In my mind, it would be a rerun of the last two Seinfeld episodes with a long trail of people Victor had wronged through the years being brought to the stand to testify as to his hideous behavior. Geez, folks. Maybe I should apply to be a writer on this failing show.

[peacheslatour]

I wish you would, you're way more creative than the hacks they have now.

[Gam2]

Thanks a bunch, peacheslatour!!

[granderobino]

3 hours ago, spinxella said:

While the circumstances surrounding all of this make me sad, it's nice to see Rick Springfield actively supporting his friend, Doug.

[miamama]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

TPTB aka Mal aka whoever runs things is so pathetic. The only people happy right now (as far as I can tell) are JT, GT, and any newbies being hired. 

Also JM. He said he was ready to leave (bored etc) and then show created Dark Horse (lol) and new edgy Nick (more lol) so he stayed. Apparently Mal et al think he’s the bomb and worth working to keep.

Lame weak actor privileged white guy who plays an equally lame privileged white guy is front and centre with a new set.

Not MiM or ED. 

So very CBS of them.

[Cupid Stunt]

People Magazine: Doug Davidson Leaving The Young and the Restless After 40 Years: 'As Far as I Know, I Am Gone'

 

Daily Mail: 'My contract was not renewed': Doug Davidson confirms he's leaving The Young and the Restless after 40 years

[Lithogirl]

Here’s the thing about DD being so unceremoniously dumped that scares me: it could happen to my fave next. Mal clearly is turning this show in a new direction, and it’s one that I’m not interested in, I’m afraid. I’ve watched this show all my life, and the older vets are an important part of the show for me. I don’t tune in to watch newbies. I never have. If over time, I learn to like them, great, but they don’t motivate me to watch. Doing away with the Abbots, minimizing Victor(I realize he’s a problematic character, but I do like him), making Nikki just a sounding board for her boring daughter...the show is shifting and I don’t like it.  EB taking a month vacation right now, idk, maybe it’s nothing...but it doesn’t feel like nothing.

[Kemper]

This is probably one of the biggest problems in soaps.....new writers and producers who are not really new...just recycled from other soaps.  These people forget or don't know what makes the soap popular for decades.  So the first thing they do is shock and awe...kill one or two major characters. I don't think the show ever really recovered from killing off John; Brad's death was a huge mistake.  This usually results in bringing on a few new characters (which is not really a bad thing)...and integrating them into the rest of the cast. And that is another major problem.  The new writers don't really have good ideas on how to do that.  Take the new family.  I don't know what their names are...Ray?  If that is the actor who was interrogating Nick today then he is a great addition.  But aren't they adding an entire family to go with him?  Too much at one time.  

I understand the critical need for actors/actresses of color.  The show has done terribly by the Winters family...badly written and badly acted in some cases.  But they were a core family and could have done wonders with better storylines.  And they were always in their own bubble...this was insulting.  I loved Hilary....gorgeous and a bad girl with a somewhat warm heart.  And then poof! she is gone.  Lily is gone; Devon just wanders with next to nothing to do.  The idea of aging The Twins was terrrible.   I don't like any new family brought on en masse. They did that on GH years and years ago with Tony Geary playing someone else who had a sister who magically appeared and other relatives.  It was jarring and nothing anyone really wanted to watch on a daily basis.  I won't even go into Eileen Davidson leaving.  And what a huge miss the JT storyline was...it could have been must-see tv.

Is it any wonder soaps are dying?  Stale storylines and not following through on some of the better ones; over-exposing some actors (I think we all know who they are), and what would seem to be not having any respect for your viewers.  

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

Also JM. He said he was ready to leave (bored etc) and then show created Dark Horse (lol) and new edgy Nick (more lol) so he stayed. Apparently Mal et al think he’s the bomb and worth working to keep.

You mean GT wanted to keep him and work with him? She admitted as much.

[spinxella]

 

 

[crowsworks]

13 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

 

Thanks for the line valley! Just used it! 

 

I fired off a Feedback Too.

12 hours ago, bannana said:

And the thought of anyone doing it on the carpet of a hotel!  I won't even walk barefoot on a hotel carpet.  

Maybe they are going to do a Phylly gets Hep C story line, Or Athletes Butt-hole.

[AngelKitty]

9 hours ago, Kemper said:

Brad's death was a huge mistake.

However, I do love Bill on B&B.

[Jaded]

I've always hoped that Brad wasn't really dead but had to go into witness protection due to all that reliquary crap.

[FairyDusted]

Ahhhhhh RELIQUARY! And thighs of steel.

[miamama]

8 hours ago, spinxella said:

 

 

Lmao Doug. You’re far more interesting than Paul!

[valleycliffe]

11 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

You mean GT wanted to keep him and work with him? She admitted as much.

yup, and so the pizza/beer/video games and sex suddenly reappeared ...

can't have a bitter gt yanno.

[FrankOFoley]

Death by a thousand cuts. Why don't they just cancel it already and save us and them the torture of a slow leak in a swamped boat.