Thank you for all the description of those two. They, the rest of the flippers and those damn twins are why I quit paying attention to HGTV. I've gotten weird questioning responses from the Weirdos From Waco's fans when I made the same kind of comments about them here and elsewhere. That family has always given me that "there's something not right" feeling.
I was into FN for a few years after my Mom died because the shows were a nice distraction and kind of bubble viewing. Around the same time FN quit showing Chopped as often is when I realized I had burnt out on it. Over the Summer last year I finally burnt out on most of the "Baking Championship" shows. I think the reason I still watch Guy's Grocery Games fairly often is because it reminds me of the Supermarket Sweep game show that's been re-airing on Buzzr the past couple years. I remember watching it when it originally started airing on Lifetime 100 years ago. I didn't watch Restaurant Impossible when it originally aired so I've been going down the familiar road that leads to over watching it and the followup of past episode shows.