Michelle and JimBob aka J'Chelle and Boob

[SMama]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Their uncles are master paper airplane makers? JK

[cmr2014]

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

This is another case with the Duggars of "I don't think that word means what you think it means." The idea that they are expressing their "creativity" by creating 4+ virtually identical paper airplanes shows just how alien the concept of "creativity" is to the entire family.

[emmawoodhouse]

But but but they DREW on them!!!! Sooooo creative!!!!

[Tasya]

I could name all of the siblings in order. I'm thoroughly disgusted with myself. Of the females, I still think Jana is the prettiest, not sure yet how the lost girls will shake out. For the males, James has retained his un-Duggar looks, not sure how much longer he has before the Duggar curse kicks in. Jeremiah is still holding on to "cute" but I'm sure marriage, and 50 lbs is not too far away on the horizon. 

[Churchhoney]

On 4/17/2021 at 7:04 PM, ginger90 said:

It's Another Duggar Family Official Sexist Pig Commentary.

And I've seen way more creative kid-constructed paper airplanes than that. But of course since they know no one but each other, they, as usual, have no idea what the rest of the world is capable of. 

Someday, that fact is likely to bite some of them heavily in the ass. 

[iwantcookies]

Wonder how these 2 will spin this...

They want to continue to be on TLC but still  act like they are disgusted by Josh’s alleged guilt.

Free $$$/Duggar royal name must be kept in good condition.

HMM. To be a fly on the wall.

[floridamom]

What I wonder is if Jim Bob & Michelle had the audacity to speak at that conference about how to raise godly children? Those two have "no face", no real shame either. They don't blame themselves for anything that went or goes wrong. So sad that they are full of themselves. Their fans just feed them more " how great you are" compliments. How could anyone in their right minds pay them any attention, I'll never know. What hard faces they are. I was shocked to see them continue on the show after the 1st scandal, never mind continuing after the second. I have no doubt that it will take TLC actually booting those two out of their offices asking to renew the show.

[emmawoodhouse]

From what I understand, their speech topic at Big Sandy was "God is Good." I wonder if they still feel that way? 

Or will they blame this all on Satan rather than taking some responsibility for their roles in helping create this monster?

[Soaper410]

Imagine being a normal/human person and finding out your child has images of a child being sexually assaulted on his computer/phone. 

Then imagine realizing you've spent 15 years covering for him, excusing his behavior, knowing that 2 of your daughters were sexually assaulted because you did NOTHING after 2 of your other daughters were sexually assaulted.  Now, he's helping fund and provide a market for babies to be sexually assaulted. 

But knowing them, they are on the phone with TLC trying to figure out how they can keep working. 

[Oldernowiser]

4 minutes ago, Soaper410 said:

But knowing them, they are on the phone with TLC trying to figure out how they can keep working. getting paid.

FIFY

[Temperance]

3 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

From what I understand, their speech topic at Big Sandy was "God is Good." I wonder if they still feel that way? 

Or will they blame this all on Satan rather than taking some responsibility for their roles in helping create this monster?

They believe that "God is good" all the time. As Grandma Mary told them, you have to praise God when things are good and praise God when things are bad. 

They also seem to believe some form of the gospel of prosperity, in terms of good things happen to good people. I wonder if that belief is being questioned now.

[emmawoodhouse]

Well, they certainly aren't good people. I think we can all agree on that. 

[Scarlett45]

Responding to what @Arkay said in the Josh thread:

 Maybe it’s because I just can’t fathom it, but none of us knew of them before they became the Kardashians of Gothardism. I know M did say that about not having a heart for children. I agree she loves Josh and she certainly put all her attention on Josie when she was a fragile preemie. I know everyone will say that it was to keep her number up, trying to get to 20 kids, but IMO she did seem to have true love and concern for Josie back then. 

 
My minor grievance with Michelle (omitting for now all the obvious issues)  is another small thing that to me is telling, like JB and hairspray. It’s the many, many times she has displayed that bikini lawn picture of which she’s allegedly so ashamed. Needless to say, if you feel shame about that picture, you don’t periodically show it on TV to say how ashamed you are.

 

I firmly believe that someone can not have a heart for children yet care for their own kids. Most people have children (I think it’s about 80% of women have a bio child before the age of 40).
 

I think in another social milieu JB & Michelle would’ve been either Childfree, OR had 1 child (maybe 2 for the chance to have a boy and a girl) but getting their emotional and social needs met through other avenues. Michelle LOVES attention most of all- had she been a woman who received attention from being a world class brain surgeon, she would’ve spent her energy on that, not having kids. I think getting dragged into Gothardism combined with their fertility as a couple FUELED their commitment to being “open to children”. Conceiving healthy twins right after a miscarriage was seen as a “sign” and then all of the pregnancies after that were an affirmation they had chosen the right path. (in their heads) Anyone with actual concern for the well being of PEOPLE not the notion of being right, wouldve shut the baby train down (or at least really slowed it) after Michelle’s laundry room breakdown- that’s when Joseph was a baby. And there are women that do enjoy being pregnant- they feel wonderful.

Michelle was concerned with Josie to the extent that she was a micro-premie and having her was traumatic, but she still fostered her care onto Jana, when Jana had a bunch of little kids to care for!

I think it so happened that they were both egotistical, got dragged into a cult that promoted breeding, were very good at it, got attention for it, and didn’t have any serious medical issues until Josie came along and that’s how we got here.

 

[Rabbittron]

Hey Clown Car I heard that Jilly is going to have a grifters 101 class starting next Monday better register for it as you are going to need it.

[Arkay]

8 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Responding to what @Arkay said in the Josh thread:

 

 

 

I firmly believe that someone can not have a heart for children yet care for their own kids. Most people have children (I think it’s about 80% of women have a bio child before the age of 40).
 

I think in another social milieu JB & Michelle would’ve been either Childfree, OR had 1 child (maybe 2 for the chance to have a boy and a girl) but getting their emotional and social needs met through other avenues. Michelle LOVES attention most of all- had she been a woman who received attention from being a world class brain surgeon, she would’ve spent her energy on that, not having kids. I think getting dragged into Gothardism combined with their fertility as a couple FUELED their commitment to being “open to children”. Conceiving healthy twins right after a miscarriage was seen as a “sign” and then all of the pregnancies after that were an affirmation they had chosen the right path. (in their heads) Anyone with actual concern for the well being of PEOPLE not the notion of being right, wouldve shut the baby train down (or at least really slowed it) after Michelle’s laundry room breakdown- that’s when Joseph was a baby. And there are women that do enjoy being pregnant- they feel wonderful.

Michelle was concerned with Josie to the extent that she was a micro-premie and having her was traumatic, but she still fostered her care onto Jana, when Jana had a bunch of little kids to care for!

I think it so happened that they were both egotistical, got dragged into a cult that promoted breeding, were very good at it, got attention for it, and didn’t have any serious medical issues until Josie came along and that’s how we got here.

 

I appreciate your take on it.

I don’t think I even knew there was a thread for JB & M. I never really came to this particular forum until the latest Josh atrocity. 

[iwantcookies]

If Michelle stars selling Plexus... there is $ trouble 🤣

[JoanArc]

1 hour ago, iwantcookies said:

If Michelle stars selling Plexus... there is $ trouble 🤣

Two straws. One for Jim Bob.

[ozziemom]

I can just see JillR’s post about the newest member of her Plexus team - Meechelle!

[iwantcookies]

On 5/3/2021 at 8:02 PM, Rabbittron said:

Hey Clown Car I heard that Jilly is going to have a grifters 101 class starting next Monday better register for it as you are going to need it.

Jill Rodrigues would SEVERELY DIE of EXCITEMENT 

Edited May 5, 2021 by iwantcookies

[dariafan]

On 5/1/2021 at 3:54 PM, emmawoodhouse said:

From what I understand, their speech topic at Big Sandy was "God is Good." I wonder if they still feel that way? 

Or will they blame this all on Satan rather than taking some responsibility for their roles in helping create this monster?

Satan was able to take a hold of Josh because Anna wasn’t paying enough attention to him when she was caring for the 6 they already have ?   Im

just guessing on how they can try and spin it 

[emmawoodhouse]

3 hours ago, dariafan said:

Satan was able to take a hold of Josh because Anna wasn’t paying enough attention to him when she was caring for the 6 they already have ?   Im

just guessing on how they can try and spin it 

I've since heard they ditched out of Big Sandy early and never gave their speech. 

[JoanArc]

A Reddit rumor

 

 

[BitterApple]

Isn't that the same info the Sun published?

[WinnieWinkle]

I would actually not be surprised to find that Michelle and Anna had no idea about the exact charges that Josh is facing.  I mean how the hell do you have that kind of conversation with your wife, let alone your mother?

[Gigi43]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Josh and JB told Michelle and Anna it was financial but I dont see it lasting because i would also think the Feds had to have done some investigating involving Anna to justify leaving Josh in the home for 18 months. I think Josiah may have had to answer questions to the investigation since he worked there but how do you have that conversation with your mom? Josh lived on the family property so Michelle and JB maybe would have had to be spoken too.

 

I'm skeptical of all of these stories but I have an easier time believing Michelle was blindsided more than Anna. Michelle was in an easier position to have her head in the sand. But I would like to think Michelle is devastated because hopefully it would be a sign she understands how bad this is.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Gigi43

[libgirl2]

1 hour ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I would actually not be surprised to find that Michelle and Anna had no idea about the exact charges that Josh is facing.  I mean how the hell do you have that kind of conversation with your wife, let alone your mother?

I can so see JB knowing and telling them it was all financial to "protect" them. Then the s--- hit the fan. 

[Boston]

Hey new show:    DIVORCED WITH 19 DO-NOTHING KIDS

[3girlsforus]

4 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I can so see JB knowing and telling them it was all financial to "protect" them. Then the s--- hit the fan. 

I have no idea if that rumor is true but the thought of this makes me smile. I really don’t think Anna knew the nature of the charges. But I hadn’t considered that Michelle didn’t know either. If it’s true that JB  basically lied to both woman and now they are pissed off... that just cracks me up. I hope they are ripping him limb from limb. Although the silent treatment would be good too. Also if Michelle really was blindsided and is horrified by he charges, maybe there is hope that the Kellers are too and Anna will get some kind of support other than ‘be a good wife and repeat after me. Josh’s vile behavior is my fault. I will stand beside him.’  
 

I still think JB will be at her door demanding she get in the car with the kids to go see wonder boy. Maybe Anna will develop enough backbone to stop that after a while. 

[BitterApple]

For me it makes more sense that Anna didn't know rather than Michelle didn't know. Michelle has the googly-eyed baby-voice routine down pat, but she ain't stupid. I can't see Boob pulling the wool over her eyes. Anna on the other hand, strikes me as someone who lives in willful denial. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Presuming Boobchelle knew what was being investigated, did they just assume Anna also knew? Communication isn't a strong suit in Duggarville. 

[MMEButterfly]

32 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

For me it makes more sense that Anna didn't know rather than Michelle didn't know. Michelle has the googly-eyed baby-voice routine down pat, but she ain't stupid. I can't see Boob pulling the wool over her eyes. Anna on the other hand, strikes me as someone who lives in willful denial. 

I suspect JB learned a long time ago he shouldn't pull any wool over Michelle's eyes (or any other part of her anatomy.) 

[Zella]

I imagine Michelle likely did know more than Anna, but I could also see Michelle not being aware of some of the worst details and being bothered by those revelations. Ordinarily, I wouldn't invest too much in what a tabloid reports, but it has been interesting to me that the person who knew Josh as a teen said Michelle seemed more obviously disturbed by what happened than Jim Bob did. I didn't expect that from her. 

I wonder, too, exactly how much Jim Bob knew detailwise. Like, I could see Josh admitting what he had but not actually admitting to what was in it. 

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that any more knowledge would have changed any of their behavior. They've shown themselves willing to stick with him repeatedly past multiple instances that would have been the point of no return for most folks, myself included. 

[riverblue22]

My suspicion is that everyone, possibly even JB, thought Josh was in trouble for adult pornography.

[WinnieWinkle]

4 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

My suspicion is that everyone, possibly even JB, thought Josh was in trouble for adult pornography.

That's my thought as well.  I think also it's not unlikely that Josh kept hoping that the longer it took for the investigation to go on that they'd drop the whole thing and if that were to happen no one needed to know the gory details.

Edited May 8, 2021 by WinnieWinkle

[theironwoman]

3 hours ago, riverblue22 said:

My suspicion is that everyone, possibly even JB, thought Josh was in trouble for adult pornography.

Can they possibly be that idiotic? (I know, I know) But surely even the Duggars know that watching adult pornography, on its own, is not a crime. And any adult stuff catching the attention of homeland f'ing security means a crime was committed in its production/distribution and going to be horrific in its own right. That would be of no comfort to me.

Edited May 8, 2021 by theironwoman
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[Gigi43]

19 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

My suspicion is that everyone, possibly even JB, thought Josh was in trouble for adult pornography.

 

Maybe they were told underage but 16/17yrs old-- perhaps Josh said he didn't know at the time of the time they were underage; I believe kids today call it the James Charles defense. 

 

But I still lean towards JB knew more than Michelle. 

 

 

[lascuba]

21 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

My suspicion is that everyone, possibly even JB, thought Josh was in trouble for adult pornography.

I don't think they're quite that stupid, but I could imagine Josh saying that porn with underage girls was found, with the implication that those girls were 16/17 and how could he know they weren't 18+.

[Zella]

I think their default is one of martyrdom, so I don't know that it would have mattered what he told them. No matter what he does, they will always think he is being unfairly persecuted (and they along with him). 

 

[lascuba]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think their default is one of martyrdom, so I don't know that it would have mattered what he told them. No matter what he does, they will always think he is being unfairly persecuted (and they along with him). 

 

I know it's a fool's game but I keep wondering what they're thinking about all of it and going back and forth. Do they believe he's guilty and are horrified but he's their son so they're going to get him the best lawyer they can and pray about how to "fix" him if he gets acquitted/when he's out of prison? Do they think he's guilty but are only as horrified as they were over Ashley Madison and adult porn so they're angry at the justice system's "hypocrisy" in going after him (never mind that they'd be screaming for the death penalty if someone outside of their community were caught with csa materials)? Do they think he's innocent and if so, are they admitting to themselves that that means it would most certainly be either Joe or Josiah who downloaded those files? Would that be better or worse in their minds? Or, if they believe him innocent, do they think it's all some conspiracy? Or that the feds' technology isn't reliable and they can't possibly be sure that those materials were downloaded and viewed at those times?

Or are they just not letting themselves think about the charges at all and are on autopilot--get Josh out of trouble at all costs?

[Hpmec]

My best guess is they are hoping he was framed. He will, no doubt, proclaim his innocence to them, and they'll want to believe it, especially Michelle. I can't imagine she has any idea the kind of filth Josh downloaded even exists and would be horrified to see those images. JB will pay the lawyers to poke holes in the prosecution's case. They'll continue to house Anna and the kids and pray that he'll somehow be found not guilty. 

[NotthebadVictoria]

34 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I know it's a fool's game but I keep wondering what they're thinking about all of it and going back and forth. Do they believe he's guilty and are horrified but he's their son so they're going to get him the best lawyer they can and pray about how to "fix" him if he gets acquitted/when he's out of prison? Do they think he's guilty but are only as horrified as they were over Ashley Madison and adult porn so they're angry at the justice system's "hypocrisy" in going after him (never mind that they'd be screaming for the death penalty if someone outside of their community were caught with csa materials)? Do they think he's innocent and if so, are they admitting to themselves that that means it would most certainly be either Joe or Josiah who downloaded those files? Would that be better or worse in their minds? Or, if they believe him innocent, do they think it's all some conspiracy? Or that the feds' technology isn't reliable and they can't possibly be sure that those materials were downloaded and viewed at those times?

Or are they just not letting themselves think about the charges at all and are on autopilot--get Josh out of trouble at all costs?

Autopilot is easier than facing the fact your child is a monster and you groomed and encouraged that behavior. 

[emmawoodhouse]

1 hour ago, NotthebadVictoria said:

Autopilot is easier than facing the fact your child is a monster and you groomed and encouraged that behavior. 

aka DENIAL

[Temperance]

From what everyone has said about Michelle on the show, she seems somewhat loopy and out of it. If she really had COVID, I doubt that improved matters. She probably doesn't what's going on most of the time, let alone now.

[Jeanne222]

4 hours ago, lascuba said:

I know it's a fool's game but I keep wondering what they're thinking about all of it and going back and forth. Do they believe he's guilty and are horrified but he's their son so they're going to get him the best lawyer they can and pray about how to "fix" him if he gets acquitted/when he's out of prison? Do they think he's guilty but are only as horrified as they were over Ashley Madison and adult porn so they're angry at the justice system's "hypocrisy" in going after him (never mind that they'd be screaming for the death penalty if someone outside of their community were caught with csa materials)? Do they think he's innocent and if so, are they admitting to themselves that that means it would most certainly be either Joe or Josiah who downloaded those files? Would that be better or worse in their minds? Or, if they believe him innocent, do they think it's all some conspiracy? Or that the feds' technology isn't reliable and they can't possibly be sure that those materials were downloaded and viewed at those times?

Or are they just not letting themselves think about the charges at all and are on autopilot--get Josh out of trouble at all costs?

My guess is they are horrified to be facing sexual charges again against their favoured son.

They are most of all embarrassed that even though they talk a mean game..there's Josh!

Losing the show that supports close to or even more than a hundred uneducated people has to weigh heavily.  TLC  is supporting Duggerville!

JimBob faith needs to be strong as he sees his life's work and all his $$ gone due to one screw up son!

[Chicklet]

5 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

JimBob faith needs to be strong as he sees his life's work and all his $$ gone due to one screw up son!

I think Boob worships the almighty dollar and has the desire to control others (as in you aren't me or my people types) more than he worships Jesus- as evidenced in his love of money, all those LLC's, etc, and that inconvenient little bible passage in which Jesus encourages people to give away all their worldly goods and follow him. But hey that's ignored a lot by lots of people. 

I love run on sentences but it's way too early in the morning and I'm tired.

 

[crazy8s]

5 minutes ago, Chicklet said:

I think Boob worships the almighty dollar and has the desire to control others (as in you aren't me or my people types) more than he worships Jesus- as evidenced in his love of money, all those LLC's, etc, and that inconvenient little bible passage in which Jesus encourages people to give away all their worldly goods and follow him. But hey that's ignored a lot by lots of people.

for all their bible quoting nonsense the never get Matthew 19:23-24

23Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Duggars and their kind stick to a few hand picked quotes from Leviticus or whatever. they like vengeful old testament god that supports their narrow beliefs and need to control. But not all of vengeful old testament god beliefs. just the ones that suit their purpose.

[Chicklet]

18 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

Duggars and their kind stick to a few hand picked quotes from Leviticus or whatever. they like vengeful old testament god that supports their narrow beliefs and need to control. But not all of vengeful old testament god beliefs. just the ones that suit their purpose.

It's like the religious version of "choose your own adventure" children's literature. Do what you want, no matter how illegal, immoral, or ill-advised and Jesus will love you anyway.

And before someone mentions that Jesus forgives, I know. I just don't think the Duggars ever really follow the teachings, just what's convenient.

Edited May 8, 2021 by Chicklet

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, Chicklet said:

It's like the religious version of "choose your own adventure" children's literature. Do what you want, no matter how illegal, immoral, or ill-advised and Jesus will love you anyway.

And before someone mentions that Jesus forgives, I know. I just don't think the Duggars ever really follow the teachings, just what's convenient.

For some reason they're too childish, thoughtless, shallow and self-centered to do anything else. 

The few stories about God that they drag out of the bible and repeatedly spout are in reality about as meaningful as the bikini-lawnmower story that they also repeatedly spout as if it were profound. Seems to me the religion they grab onto is pretty much the equivalent of a rabbit's foot or a four-leaf clover under plastic in your pocket. A lucky charm that keeps you from actually having to look at facts or consider a different opinion or think things through or try to empathize with another person or ever think about changing any of your ways. 

I think that whatever happens now, JB and M'll probably respond to it by just gathering themselves up and trying to proceed in the exact same ways they always have. By now their habits are like bands of iron, probably. 

And that's very unfortunate for Generations 2 and 3. 

I haven't liked much of what Amy, Derick or Jeremy have done or been, ever. But at this point, I'm inclined to be highly grateful to them and to anybody else who helps any Duggarling get even a tiny bit away from the messed-up machine that is Jim Bob and Michelle and at least into some different air. Because I don't think the Duggar perpetual parents of the year have it in them to be helpful in any way or to change at all. 

Edited May 8, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Tuxcat]

The  "easter special" which aired 3/21 was unusual. It was filmed Jan-Feb 2021 since Kendra was about to deliver and they were preparing for Easter 2021.  It focused more on new beginnings and being reborn and several of them shared their "testimony." It was a strange SINGULAR episode in 2021.

No mention of the weddings. The new couples were not on it.   Lauren, Josiah were not on it either. 

 It's possible certain members of the family knew something was coming or at least something had happened. I think its entirely possible that Josiah was interviewed by Homeland security. He probably told his brothers. None of those brothers were on this episode with the exception of JD and Joe and they didn't really speak much. 

But I  don't think anyone knew the horror of the investigation except Josh and JB.  I seriously don't think Michelle would talk about difficult times as a parent and reference a story about how little jinger wouldn't apologize that one time... if she knew what was on the horizon.

Michelle, for all her fault, is likely gutted by these revelations. I know Josh is the golden boy and blah blah blah but she does seem close with her daughters too -- much more than JB. . Even Jill in 2019 wrote a very drippy  praise message to Michelle.  I think she - much more than JB- actually understands the struggles. There is probably so much guilt involved though she wouldn't publicly admit that.  I fully expect her to be completely overwhelmed by these charges. Sure, she'll blame Satan and she'll lean on Jesus,  but she's still a mother who aches.

 

[Chicklet]

 If she had raised her children better and without the Pearl Method, gotten help for Josh when he was younger, not abdicated her role as mother and only not been a brood mare,  she might rate a lot more sympathy.

If she could only say "I didn't do a good job" or "I could have done something better", that might work. She and Boob were the ultimate designers of this nightmare. I feel sorry for the girls  who are left to deal with the emotional fallout of Josh's crimes.