S18.E15: One on One: Part 1

[Scarlett45]

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The Browns tackle the biggest questions from this season; Kody reveals if he's ever been in love with the wives, Christine discusses Kody being jealous of her relationship with Janelle, and Janelle opens up about her physical relationship with Kody.

Air Date: November 26, 2023

[Roslyn]

Kody pontificates.

Christine is snarky.

Janelle speaks plainly.

Robyn pokes her eyes....a lot.

Meri...was there.

[mythoughtis]

Kody still can’t admit to his part in any of it.  He lies just to lie.  Robyn lies just to lie.   
He seriously thought Janelle should come  home from vacation to go to the store for him when Aurora was downstairs snd  tested negative and was going to classes. And he spoke to Gabe on the phone - we know this because Gabe said so. That was on Gabe’s birthday - Kody didn’t wish him a Happy Birthday 

Edited November 27, 2023 by mythoughtis

[LotusFlower]

I don’t understand why Suki doesn’t challenge Kidney on his whole victim narrative.  He acts like Christine and Janelle’s decision to leave was such an injustice, instead of acknowledging or at least discussing his part in why the marriages went south.  

[mythoughtis]

1 minute ago, LotusFlower said:

I don’t understand why Suki doesn’t challenge Kidney on his whole victim narrative.  He acts like Christine and Janelle’s decision to leave was such an injustice, instead of acknowledging or at least discussing his part in why the marriages went south.  

She doesn’t challenge him or Robyn on anything ever.  She totally treats them as if whatever they say is the absolute reality of whatever happened. 

[xls]

Christine saying 'fk you' to Kootie never gets old! 🤣

[CSunshine76]

Kody is so full of himself it infuriates me. He’s seething because Janelle and Christine are friends, and thinks it’s only to get back at him. He gives no thought or mention of his children wanting to have relationships with their siblings (which J and C acknowledge and nurture).  
He and Robyn need to go away…forever. 

[65mickey]

Suki brought up to Kody that he didn't see his kids at Christmas and then allowed him to spend the narrative that is was because the boys blame Robyn and don't respect her. From there he went on a tirade about how Robyn's kids are bullied. She did not ask him what Savannah did to deserve being ignored at Christmas. No phone call, no present  nothing. Suki lets these things slide. I would have said to Kody that was a nice pile of presents that Robyn's kids got at Christmas. What did you do for your other 13 kids Kody? It's almost like she doesn't have any predetermined  questions to ask. It's like she is just sitting down to chat with him and giving him an opportunity to ramble on and on. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by 65mickey

[LotusFlower]

19 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

She doesn’t challenge him or Robyn on anything ever.  She totally treats them as if whatever they say is the absolute reality of whatever happened. 

It’s so infuriating.  They’re totally manipulating her, and it’s such a disservice to viewers, the vast majority of whom want these issues addressed.  

[Gramto6]

I've said it before and after every Tell Nothing I feel like TLC is totally controlling the narrative. We will never know the things we want to know until TLC is ready to throw these yahoos under the bus and cancel the show.

[65mickey]

One thing I find curious. Meri, Janelle and Christine are the three wives that Kody claims to have never been in love with. The three who have been pushed aside so that he could be with the love of this life, his soul mate. But the only one crying and looking miserable is the chosen one. Strange.

[LotusFlower]

2 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

One thing I find curious. Meri, Janelle and Christine are the three wives that Kody claims to have never been in love with. The three who have been pushed aside so that he could be with the love of this life, his soul mate. But the only one crying and looking miserable is the chosen one. Strange.

Touché!

[Gramto6]

4 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

One thing I find curious. Meri, Janelle and Christine are the three wives that Kody claims to have never been in love with. The three who have been pushed aside so that he could be with the love of this life, his soul mate. But the only one crying and looking miserable is the chosen one. Strange.

She's realizing she didn't win such a great prize after all. With the OG3 and their contributions to the pot gone, life is going to get pretty lean at the ole Manse and she won't be rolling in everyone else's dough any more. Not to mention that Kodouche is borderline crazy to boot!

Edited November 27, 2023 by Gramto6

[surfgirl]

33 minutes ago, Gramto6 said:

She's realizing she didn't win such a great prize after all. With the OG3 and their contributions to the pot gone, life is going to get pretty lean at the ole Manse and she won't be rolling in everyone else's dough any more. Not to mention that Kodouche is borderline crazy to boot!

Karma is a real bitch isn’t she?

[toodywoody]

2 hours ago, CSunshine76 said:

Kody is so full of himself it infuriates me. He’s seething because Janelle and Christine are friends, and thinks it’s only to get back at him. He gives no thought or mention of his children wanting to have relationships with their siblings (which J and C acknowledge and nurture).  
He and Robyn need to go away…forever. 

They raised their kids together. They were the real mom and dad to the kids. He just rushed in and rushed out and called that being a parent.  They did all the parenting to the kids. He always treated Christine like she was dumb and treated Jenelle like a best friend. They knew the kids needed any form of stability by them creating a united front to raise them and be there for them since their father was too busy, first with Meri and then with Robyn. 

There wasn't any betrayal, he just never saw what they were doing for the kids, instead of for him. Kidney thinks everything is about and for him and no one can do anything for themselves or the family, if he isn't involved or told about it. 

It's insane that he thought Jenelle would just go do his 'running around' and drop everything for him when he wouldn't and didn't do the same ever for her. 

These women were supposed to be at his beck and call at all times. And when they stopped being that way, that's when he started pouting and stomping his feet, like a child. 

The word betrayed gets thrown around too much by him. No one betrayed him, he left all of the OG3 to do shit for themselves. And they all learned to do everything for themselves because he couldn't be counted on. And once someone starts that, that is when the other person realizes they can live and do without them. Kidney did it to himself, he left the OG3 more and more and they figured out they didn't need him to raise the kids or to do things or to function as a family.

[ginger90]

Does Suki watch the show?

[General Days]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Does Suki watch the show?

 

I don't know. A lot of times, it feels like the producers put together highlight reels for her, because she swallows too much of their b.s. whole.

I get why her interviews aren't adversarial. The Browns aren't politicians. They're not accountable to us. Suki doesn't have some duty to the public good to have an adversarial relationship with them. I also think the Browns have some measure of control over what they will and will not discuss on camera.

The problem, I think, is that Suki isn't even trying to do good pop culture journalism. I've seen big stars get more pushback when they're making promotional appearances on talk shows, than Suki gives the Browns in episodes billed as "Tell-Alls," and one-on-one interviews. 

The producers, the Browns, and Suki have really done the audience a disservice with this stuff.

[Kellyee]

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Does Suki watch the show?

The hosts of these Tell All's almost never watch the show they are hosting the Tell All for. For sure, Suki does not watch the show and the social media like some people who are watching the show. She most likely receives notes and questions from an assistant. 

Also, the host needs to be respectful of the person they are interviewing. They can't start attacking them with accusatory statements, or interrogate them about contradictory stories they are telling. 

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The producers, the Browns, and Suki have really done the audience a disservice with this stuff.

It's a cheaply produced D-list reality show. it wasn't expensive before, and I believe the Browns agreed to a pay cut somewhere along the way to keep the show on the air. Suki isn't pouring over the episodes or the social media before she does these hosting gigs, and I don't blame her for that. 

Also, every single Brown is running their own agenda. If Suki started really confronting them on their crap, they would walk off the stage. They're not going to answer some of the questions people on here want to be asked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Kellyee

[endure]

16 minutes ago, General Days said:

 

I don't know. A lot of times, it feels like the producers put together highlight reels for her, because she swallows too much of their b.s. whole.

I get why her interviews aren't adversarial. The Browns aren't politicians. They're not accountable to us. Suki doesn't have some duty to the public good to have an adversarial relationship with them. I also think the Browns have some measure of control over what they will and will not discuss on camera.

The problem, I think, is that Suki isn't even trying to do good pop culture journalism. I've seen big stars get more pushback when they're making promotional appearances on talk shows, than Suki gives the Browns in episodes billed as "Tell-Alls," and one-on-one interviews. 

The producers, the Browns, and Suki have really done the audience a disservice with this stuff.

Yes, they’re all playing a role here, she is part of the TLC team and who knows Kody may have had subjects or questions he refused to comment on.

[laurakaye]

9 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Suki brought up to Kody that he didn't see his kids at Christmas and then allowed him to spend the narrative that is was because the boys blame Robyn and don't respect her. From there he went on a tirade about how Robyn's kids are bullied. She did not ask him what Savannah did to deserve being ignored at Christmas. No phone call, no present  nothing. 

I wish she had asked him too but we know why - because that's how Kody punishes his family members - taking out his rage on those who have done nothing wrong.  Janelle tells him to f*** off, so Kody ignores Savanah.  He is such a garbage father.

Also, Robyn - honestly, shut up.  This woman has whined and dry-cried for several seasons that she can never ever feel "safe" with anyone in this entire family except for maybe Meri, when it suits her.  So when Robyn told Suki that she would've gone to Christine's Christmas party with her kids?  What a load of crap.  She only said that because she 100% knew that there was no way she was going to get an invite.  It's easy to say what you would've done when there was no way it was ever going to happen in the first place.  

I also loved the beginning where Robyn accuses Kody of rewriting history and mumbles that "it happens a lot."  Says the Queen of Revisionist History.  Amazing.

Kody, no one - and I mean NO ONE - wants to hear about your pecs and abs ever again.  It's disgusting how he proclaims that Janelle used him for his body when he's been doing the same damn thing for the past 30 years, except with four different women.  

/rant......until next week.

[taragel]

Whoof. So much re-trod ground. A few interesting bits:

- The unedited scene of Kody and Janelle's big fight was actually uglier than we saw. It's hard to believe they never fought like that previously if she left him on 2 or 3 other occasions.

-Kody actually used the term triangulation, which was brought up frequently during last week's show on Twitter. I don't think he used it correctly (surprise) but someone's been peeping the socials. 

-Meri's dead-eye, dead-voice recitation of "My voice will be heard" actually kind of made me laugh. It was so awkward and weird. Girl...too little, too late.

-Why on earth does Kody want to fix it/have a romantic relationship with Janelle if he's finally admitting he's ONLY in love with Robyn? What for? Especially if she's not into it and he's saying he's annoyed that he's only seen as a piece of meat?  WHY? WHAT? MAKE THE KODY BRAIN MATH MAKE SENSE. I know he's always angling but....surely he realizes he doesn't get any brownie points for hanging on to one more wife. He obviously doesn't care about his eternal heaven kingdom or whatever it is. I just don't get it.

-I am ready to hear how Kody keeps sabotaging his relationship with Robyn by picking fights with her. Give me every schaedenfreudish detail. 

-I want a real question about personal debt and finances and Coyote Pass but I won't hold any breath for that to come.

-i hope David is truly a delightful person who matches Christine's energy and love investment.

[MsMalin]

Nobody has mentioned Janelle talking about their sex life.  Has she really divorceded him?  I don't know because she said she misses him that they are best friends and she misses him in her bed.  Sounds like she got what Meri and Christine didnt.

[dariafan]

Can’t we get 1 roll that beautiful bean footage ??

[Ms.Lulu]

5 hours ago, laurakaye said:

 

Also, Robyn - honestly, shut up.  This woman has whined and dry-cried for several seasons that she can never ever feel "safe" with anyone in this entire family except for maybe Meri, when it suits her.  So when Robyn told Suki that she would've gone to Christine's Christmas party with her kids?  What a load of crap.  She only said that because she 100% knew that there was no way she was going to get an invite.  It's easy to say what you would've done when there was no way it was ever going to happen in the first place.  

 

And we know, Robyn told Meri that it wasn't safe to invite Janelle and her kids to Meri's house. That it could get ugly and there would be a fight.

Now she wants us to believe that she would have gone to CHRISTINE'S house.

There's no way. Bitch, please.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Ms.Lulu

[Dobian]

I watched five minutes of this.  I already know what the ex-wives are going to say and I know Kodvid will never be accountable for anything.  And that's how the five minutes went.  No need to spend an hour.

[Meow Mix]

This was mostly retreads, but I did notice Robyn admitting that Kody rewrites history a lot.  When even she is saying that, it must be going on constantly.

As always, Kody takes no responsibility for anything.  It's because he didn't properly vet the first three wives or because Janelle badmouthed him to the kids or because she wasn't supportive of him by having a friendship with Christine or on and on with the blame.  Surely it can't be because he rubbed the first three wives noses in the fact that he was actually in love with Robyn or that he blew off kids' birthdays and Christmas or that he told his minor daughter that she could go across the country by herself to get surgery.  Can't be any of that, gotta be Christine's fault.

Christine and Janelle told slightly different stories around the Covid mess.  From what Janelle said, she seemed to indicate that Kody didn't ask her to come home but she offered to contact doctors and such for him.  Christine seemed to indicate that Janelle was ready to go home from vacation to run to the store for Kody, but she reminded her that Kody had others to look after him and that he had not looked after Janelle when she was sick.  I would have been hard pressed in that situation to not tell Janelle to stop being such a chump and stay on her vacation.  And Kody called Janelle specifically as a loyalty test.  He was already mad that she was spending time with Christine, so he wanted to ruin it for her and he wanted her to prove her love for him by coming home to pick up groceries for him.  I'm sure he knew that weepy Aurora would get him anything he wanted, but he didn't need to give her a loyalty test.  Also, why is Janelle still buying into the narrative that he almost died?  He had a low grade fever and ass pain.  A friend's father spent 11 days on a ventilator and somehow miraculously survived.  That is almost dying.

As far as the fight goes, the unedited footage made me very uncomfortable.  I really hope Savanah didn't have to see that.  I can't imagine seeing your parents like that at all, but to know that a large audience also saw it would be awful.  I'm not surprised the fight happened because Kody had a big load of mad by the time he went over there.  He wasn't triggered by the Christmas tree, he was already on the warpath because he was supposedly dying of Covid while Janelle was having fun elsewhere.  Given when this tell all was filmed, he clearly still hasn't let that go.

He really thinks he's the center of everyone's universe.  Surely Janelle and Christine couldn't be friends because they spent years raising kids together and working through difficulties.  And now that they don't have to share a husband, the pressure is off.  It has to be because they just want to stick it to him.  

I can't imagine how it must have felt for Christine when Kody and Robyn were still dating and he was acting like a giddy teenager.  That must have hurt.  I think that is why she keeps twisting the knife now referring to David constantly as the love of her life.  And no, Kody, a good man doesn't tell his minor daughter to go across the country by herself to get much needed surgery.  He needs to get his head out of the manosphere and his ass.

I do love he is getting a taste of the medicine he has been handing out to Meri for years with Janelle saying she has no interest in reconciling.  At least she is being consistent with her message and not giving him false hope like he did with Meri.

[Shelbie]

Kody again with his bullshit that he is the head of the family. I know he wants to stamp his feet and hold his breath until he turns blue to force everyone to obey him but he truly cannot conceive that simply saying this means nothing to the vast majority of his family.
I love seeing him thwarted and being ignored and laughed at.

[HoneyBeach]

4 hours ago, Kellyee said:

The hosts of these Tell All's almost never watch the show they are hosting the Tell All for. For sure, Suki does not watch the show and the social media like some people who are watching the show. She most likely receives notes and questions from an assistant. 

Also, the host needs to be respectful of the person they are interviewing. They can't start attacking them with accusatory statements, or interrogate them about contradictory stories they are telling. 

It's a cheaply produced D-list reality show. it wasn't expensive before, and I believe the Browns agreed to a pay cut somewhere along the way to keep the show on the air. Suki isn't pouring over the episodes or the social media before she does these hosting gigs, and I don't blame her for that. 

Also, every single Brown is running their own agenda. If Suki started really confronting them on their crap, they would walk off the stage. They're not going to answer some of the questions people on here want to be asked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think this is absolutely true, and when they walk off the stage so as not to answer, they walk away from their paycheck. This is how it should be. After all, this is their "job" and the tell-alls are part of that job.

[Midwestern Lady]

This was less of a Tell-All and more a rehearsed monologue from both  Ramen Noodle Head and his Dry Cry Bride.  

[IvySpice]

Kody is illustrating why the framework of being "triggered" is so unhelpful. A trigger is a mechanical device that automatically responds to external pressure in the same way every time. People are not guns. They always have choices about how they react, even when provoked. They can learn different ways of responding to a stimulus. But people like Kody use this framework as an excuse. In Kody's mind, he's off the hook because Janelle "triggered" him. It's not the gun's fault somebody fired it.

"Losing My Religion" is about unreciprocated love...exactly who was Kody loving without reciprocation? His children?

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Surely Janelle and Christine couldn't be friends because they spent years raising kids together and working through difficulties.  And now that they don't have to share a husband, the pressure is off.  It has to be because they just want to stick it to him.  

Isn't that something? Earth to Kody: ALL THREE OF YOUR OG MARRIAGES FAILED. These are women who had nothing in common but you. YOU are the problem.

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Also, the host needs to be respectful of the person they are interviewing. They can't start attacking them with accusatory statements, or interrogate them about contradictory stories they are telling. 

Eh. The host works for TLC and will do whatever TLC tells them to do. If TLC wanted to provide us with confrontation, they could. As you say, this is a D-list reality show; Kody knows he can't go pitch it to Netflix. I think the Browns need the paycheck badly enough that they wouldn't just walk away. (From one interview, sure. From the whole enterprise, no way.)

[mrs ra]

This was basically the same stuff as the regular season episodes. Only difference was that we could see the “interviewer” who is usually off camera. I think the host should be required to view a few of the more controversial scenes and respectfully push back against distortions. 
it would be much more interesting if all 5 of them could confront each other, even briefly. 
this was boring boring boring. 

[Kid]

Kody is so full-o-shit.

Does Robin really believe anyone buys into the fact that she is "crying."

[laurakaye]

Kody said he didn't "vet" his first three wives - well, that's what happens when you meet someone, "court" for a month, and get married a few weeks later.

And Mr. Pec-tacular calling Janelle and whining that he needed her to fly across the country and bring him some chicken soup when he had Covid was hilarious.  Dude, get off your sore ass and call Shipt.  But worse was the fact that apparently Janelle was considering doing it.  I think he purposefully scared her into thinking he couldn't breathe or whatever in retaliation for her daring to go on vacation with his sworn mortal enemy Christine.

Just when I think there's not another lower level of pond scum that this guy can sink to, he does just that. 

[Tuxcat]

My only interesting take away was that this was filmed (or at least parts of it) July 23, 2023 according to the clapper. That's it. That's all I learned that was new.

As for Kody, as twisted and nonsensical as he is/was - I do believe him when he says he did  not marry because he was "in love" the first three times. He married for the AUB and his ego. Build the "big pitcher" et cetera. 

Last season he would not admit that Robyn was the favorite. Remember? She "earned favor." Now he's admitting that he loved her differently.

So growth? LOL

[MamaMax]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and disagree with y'alls interpretation of Kody's behavior.

I think K was genuinely surprised by his wives'  and kids reactions to his recent behavior - because he probably is treating them much the same as he ALWAYS has.  Its jus that they all have accepted his paltry offerings under the assumption that that was the best he could do.  It wasn't until they all saw his treatment of R and the tenders that it came into stark relief that he had a lot more to give -- he just didn't want to give it to them.   (a la Harry met Sally - "Its not that he didn't want to get married, it was that he didn't want to marry ME")  THAT was where the hurt began. 

Kody feels that everyone else changed the rules. He's the same - its them who have betrayed HIM but not taking whatever it was he felt like giving and instead demanding more of him - demanding his actual best, fair treatment -  and being open about being angry and dissatisfied that he will not give it.  That's the "betrayal" - they all stopped eating the shit sandwiches he was serving  and saying Thank you sir may I have another? 

[MamaGee]

7 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

As for Kody, as twisted and nonsensical as he is/was - I do believe him when he says he did  not marry because he was "in love" the first three times. He married for the AUB and his ego. Build the "big pitcher" et cetera. 

I was thinking this too. I think he thought he was in love with each OG3 but found out over time that marrying quickly for religious reasons isn't love. He discovered that with Robyn. So that is one part that I think he isn't lying about.

The only real thing I learned: holy crap, Meri's ears are huge!!!! Sorry, I couldn't not mention it. 

Also, I really enjoy listening to Janelle. She is calm, reasonable and seems to have thought some things through. 

[Tuxcat]

1 minute ago, MamaGee said:

The only real thing I learned: holy crap, Meri's ears are huge!!!! Sorry, I couldn't not mention it. 

Agree, It's such an unfortunate camera angle for her. I noticed it last year too. She got a better makeup artist and looks okay but the ear angle is still really bad.

 

 

[vibeology]

2 hours ago, Ms.Lulu said:

And we know, Robyn told Meri that it wasn't safe to invite Janelle and her kids to Meri's house. Th at it could get ugly and there would be a fight.

Now she wants us to believe that she would have gone to CHRISTINE'S house.

There's no way. Bitch, please.

Even if she sincerely wanted to go to Christine's rental (which I don't believe for a second) Kody wasn't going to go and she would never, ever go against her best customer. He very clearly expected everyone to come to him, treat him like a king and apologize before there would be any fun. Robyn just saying yes and there being zero follow-up on everything we saw around the holidays was wild. 

I hope, in the other parts, they dig in more on the text thread and fallout. 

40 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

As for Kody, as twisted and nonsensical as he is/was - I do believe him when he says he did  not marry because he was "in love" the first three times. He married for the AUB and his ego. Build the "big pitcher" et cetera. 

I would never give Kody a pass but I would respect him more if he said he became a polygamist to impress and fit in with his family. He wanted respect and admiration from his dad and from the AUB at large and that was what drove his original decisions more than the idea that he was madly in love with three women. 

I don't know if he was in love with any of the OG3. But we saw that his behaviour changed for Robyn. He was driven to do things he had never done for any other wife for Robyn. I don't know if that's love or a desire to wet his pencil or what but it was a big enough change that Christine knew right away that is was different.

[Quickbeam]

The one fact that keeps surfacing in my mind. Kody got into the sack with Christine and Janelle enough to make 12 children. GMAFB. So he wasn’t even fond of them? Really? That’s just beyond my ability to reconcile. Triangulation! 🤣

[OldWiseOne]

12 hours ago, toodywoody said:

There wasn't any betrayal, he just never saw what they were doing for the kids, instead of for him. Kidney thinks everything is about and for him and no one can do anything for themselves or the family, if he isn't involved or told about it. 

I'm sure over the years when it was "dad's night" at the house everyone dropped everything that they would usually be doing to make him the centre of attention. He just can't conceive that the other 2/3 of their time when he wasn't around they were all out doing things that didn't involve him, as opposed to sitting at home waiting for his next visit.

5 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Also, Robyn - honestly, shut up.  This woman has whined and dry-cried for several seasons that she can never ever feel "safe" with anyone in this entire family except for maybe Meri, when it suits her.  So when Robyn told Suki that she would've gone to Christine's Christmas party with her kids?  What a load of crap.  She only said that because she 100% knew that there was no way she was going to get an invite.  It's easy to say what you would've done when there was no way it was ever going to happen in the first place.  

This one really made my head explode - a flat out lie! After she told Meri it wouldn't be safe for Meri to invite the whole family to Christmas Eve at her house, and now she is claiming she would have accepted an invitation to Christines?! Obviously she knows Suki is not going to call her on her bs.

Trying not to pass judgement too quickly on Suki's lack of follow up questions, and hoping those things come in the later tell all episodes - like maybe they are saving the best stuff for episode 4 so we keep tuning in.

 

[Natalie68]

15 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Kody still can’t admit to his part in any of it.  He lies just to lie.  Robyn lies just to lie.   
He seriously thought Janelle should come  home from vacation to go to the store for him when Aurora was downstairs snd  tested negative and was going to classes. And he spoke to Gabe on the phone - we know this because Gabe said so. That was on Gabe’s birthday - Kody didn’t wish him a Happy Birthday 

So Janelle is Instacart.  What a man baby.

[xwordfanatik]

3 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

This was mostly retreads, but I did notice Robyn admitting that Kody rewrites history a lot.  When even she is saying that, it must be going on constantly.

As always, Kody takes no responsibility for anything.  It's because he didn't properly vet the first three wives or because Janelle badmouthed him to the kids or because she wasn't supportive of him by having a friendship with Christine or on and on with the blame.  Surely it can't be because he rubbed the first three wives noses in the fact that he was actually in love with Robyn or that he blew off kids' birthdays and Christmas or that he told his minor daughter that she could go across the country by herself to get surgery.  Can't be any of that, gotta be Christine's fault.

Christine and Janelle told slightly different stories around the Covid mess.  From what Janelle said, she seemed to indicate that Kody didn't ask her to come home but she offered to contact doctors and such for him.  Christine seemed to indicate that Janelle was ready to go home from vacation to run to the store for Kody, but she reminded her that Kody had others to look after him and that he had not looked after Janelle when she was sick.  I would have been hard pressed in that situation to not tell Janelle to stop being such a chump and stay on her vacation.  And Kody called Janelle specifically as a loyalty test.  He was already mad that she was spending time with Christine, so he wanted to ruin it for her and he wanted her to prove her love for him by coming home to pick up groceries for him.  I'm sure he knew that weepy Aurora would get him anything he wanted, but he didn't need to give her a loyalty test.  Also, why is Janelle still buying into the narrative that he almost died?  He had a low grade fever and ass pain.  A friend's father spent 11 days on a ventilator and somehow miraculously survived.  That is almost dying.

As far as the fight goes, the unedited footage made me very uncomfortable.  I really hope Savanah didn't have to see that.  I can't imagine seeing your parents like that at all, but to know that a large audience also saw it would be awful.  I'm not surprised the fight happened because Kody had a big load of mad by the time he went over there.  He wasn't triggered by the Christmas tree, he was already on the warpath because he was supposedly dying of Covid while Janelle was having fun elsewhere.  Given when this tell all was filmed, he clearly still hasn't let that go.

He really thinks he's the center of everyone's universe.  Surely Janelle and Christine couldn't be friends because they spent years raising kids together and working through difficulties.  And now that they don't have to share a husband, the pressure is off.  It has to be because they just want to stick it to him.  

I can't imagine how it must have felt for Christine when Kody and Robyn were still dating and he was acting like a giddy teenager.  That must have hurt.  I think that is why she keeps twisting the knife now referring to David constantly as the love of her life.  And no, Kody, a good man doesn't tell his minor daughter to go across the country by herself to get much needed surgery.  He needs to get his head out of the manosphere and his ass.

I do love he is getting a taste of the medicine he has been handing out to Meri for years with Janelle saying she has no interest in reconciling.  At least she is being consistent with her message and not giving him false hope like he did with Meri.

I love all of this!  When Kootie said that Christine had to trash talk him to David, or David would have thought that "she left a good man," I would have asked him:  Name 5 things about yourself that prove you're a "good man."  I bet that would have shut his lying ass up!  

Sure, Crybrows.  You would have been first in the door at Christine's party.  

The toxic twosome tell so many lies, they probably have forgotten how to be truthful, if they ever knew what truth was.

[Kid]

2 hours ago, MamaMax said:

Its jus that they all have accepted his paltry offerings under the assumption that that was the best he could do.  It wasn't until they all saw his treatment of R and the tenders that it came into stark relief that he had a lot more to give -- he just didn't want to give it to them.   (a la Harry met Sally - "Its not that he didn't want to get married, it was that he didn't want to marry ME")  THAT was where the hurt began. 

In my opinion, this is a very astute analysis.  Bravo.

[Elizzikra]

3 hours ago, IvySpice said:

Kody is illustrating why the framework of being "triggered" is so unhelpful. A trigger is a mechanical device that automatically responds to external pressure in the same way every time. People are not guns. They always have choices about how they react, even when provoked. They can learn different ways of responding to a stimulus. But people like Kody use this framework as an excuse. In Kody's mind, he's off the hook because Janelle "triggered" him. It's not the gun's fault somebody fired it."Losing My Religion" is about unreciprocated love...exactly who was Kody loving without reciprocation? 

The concept of a “trigger” does actually make sense, but it’s overused and misused. Originally in psychiatry, a “trigger” referred to something that reliably caused a response. It’s useful in understanding how people respond to trauma. For example, someone who was exposed to their parents’ loud arguments in the home during childhood may have experienced stomach pains or nervousness or some other uncontrollable response. Later they experience those same symptoms when they argue with a partner or when they hear an argument between two people. Eventually they can learn to reduce or eliminate the response, but it’s hard wired into them for a time and can’t be “controlled” in the way we typically think of controlling a response.

Problem is, in the common use, everything that pisses you off is a “trigger.” That’s an incorrect use and it’s not particularly helpful.

[65mickey]

Didn't Robyn also say that her children would not be participating in the siblings' gift exchange because it would not be safe as they felt that they were being bullied or some such crap?  Suki could have brought this up. Robyn saying to Meri that a Christmas Eve get together would not be safe because there might be a fight.  Now Robyn claims that if she had been invited she would have gone to Christine's Christmas event. Suki could have asked Robyn to explain what seems to be contradictory statements. But she just let it slid by. Either Suki doesn't watch the show or she has a poor memory.

[Natalie68]

7 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Didn't Robyn also say that her children would not be participating in the siblings' gift exchange because it would not be safe as they felt that they were being bullied or some such crap?  Suki could have brought this up. Robyn saying to Meri that a Christmas Eve get together would not be safe because there might be a fight.  Now Robyn claims that if she had been invited she would have gone to Christine's Christmas event. Suki could have asked Robyn to explain what seems to be contradictory statements. But she just let it slid by. Either Suki doesn't watch the show or she has a poor memory.

There is a lot of bubble wrap around the junior Crybrow's.  

[Absolom]

Can I just reach through the screen and "snatch that jackass bald?"  Kody deserves every bad thing that comes to him in the rest of his life.

[Madding crowd]

Kody certainly seemed like he was in love with Meri when the show started; calling her his soulmate and constantly touching and kissing her. I think a lot of people who are left by their partner say “I was never in love anyway “ as a way to save face.

I do wonder what Kody sees in Robyn since it appears she tells him what to do and say and he is all about macho posturing. When he met her she was pretty and dressed cute but now she dresses like a dowdy matron, doesn’t take care of her kids and keeps a messy house. 

[Mothra]

10 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Kody, no one - and I mean NO ONE - wants to hear about your pecs and abs ever again.  It's disgusting how he proclaims that Janelle used him for his body when he's been doing the same damn thing for the past 30 years, except with four different women.  

Kody, like many men, don't understand what attracts (and holds) women sexually.  Sure, a nice body is, well, nice, but it's nowhere near as important as being a competent lover--someone who is generous with that body, not vain about it, who seeks to give his partner pleasure and knows how to physically express love for their partner's body and whole being.  Someone who believes the gals slaver over his pecs and six-pack has no idea of what he's doing, and I wouldn't have him in my bed, even if he weren't Kooty.

[General Days]

Amen, Mothra.